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[Pat Patriot]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

So as a Pats fan who lives in PA, apparently you are just here to antagonize Eagles fans, which make up most of this thread?I think both of these are applicable:

 

[delusional]

Yea that is funny. Stallworth is overhyped.

Best year yardage was 945yds.

In 6 years he scored 5 or less TDs 4 times.

He is no better then a #2. Even that is pushing it

Now I agree they should have gave TO a bonus there after the super bowl but set back a few years? That is what happens when your franchise QB gets hurt. It has nothing to do with TO.

The WRs on the market this year were mediocre at best. Which is why the Eagles tried to sigh Moss, whom they ALMOST had, push a trade for Fitz ( and whoever else they are looking at ) and ignore the other WRs out there because frankly they ( those out there now ) are the same as what we have.

One thing i noticed in most threads relating to the eagles, you have more non eagles fans posting about them in negative ways then you do real fans of the team

 

[Pat Patriot]

Wow. Have a vendetta against Eagles fans much?Seem kind of obsessed that Eagles fans suck and Donte Stallworth is a god.

Just the opposite. I love Eagles fans. I live in Philly. Most of my best friends in my neighborhood are big Eagles fans.I just think they give their front office a free pass too often.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

So as a Pats fan who lives in PA, apparently you are just here to antagonize Eagles fans, which make up most of this thread?I think both of these are applicable:

I am in this thread as an Eagles fan. I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. I just think that Eagles organization is disengenuous in the line of crap that they feed their fans. I also have a big difference in opinion with many Eagles fans regarding Stallworth. I thought he looked awfully good in GREEN the year he was here.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Yea that is funny. Stallworth is overhyped. Best year yardage was 945yds. In 6 years he scored 5 or less TDs 4 times. He is no better then a #2. Even that is pushing itNow I agree they should have gave TO a bonus there after the super bowl but set back a few years? That is what happens when your franchise QB gets hurt. It has nothing to do with TO. The WRs on the market this year were mediocre at best. Which is why the Eagles tried to sigh Moss, whom they ALMOST had, push a trade for Fitz ( and whoever else they are looking at ) and ignore the other WRs out there because frankly they ( those out there now ) are the same as what we have.One thing i noticed in most threads relating to the eagles, you have more non eagles fans posting about them in negative ways then you do real fans of the team

There isnt anything out there that is better than what they have. If Roy Williams is available for a 2nd round pick, I would be all over that if I was Philly. I'd even throw in a 4th to get it done. Other than that, I think they are stuck with what they have. With Hank Baskett or Jason Avant is the #3, I just think they are lacking.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

Really?I like the Eagles but I would say that TB, the Colts, the Giants and Pittsburgh have had better runs.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

The exact mentality I am talking about. You dont think the Eagles have made bad decisions?

 

[awesomeness]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

The exact mentality I am talking about. You dont think the Eagles have made bad decisions?

I'd say they are in the top 5 for making the least amount of poor decisions compared to other franchises.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

The exact mentality I am talking about. You dont think the Eagles have made bad decisions?

I'd say they are in the top 5 for making the least amount of poor decisions compared to other franchises.

Yet they have only been to 1 SB and havent been able to win a title.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

The exact mentality I am talking about. You dont think the Eagles have made bad decisions?

I'd say they are in the top 5 for making the least amount of poor decisions compared to other franchises.

Yet they have only been to 1 SB and havent been able to win a title.

 

[delusional]

Yea that is funny. Stallworth is overhyped. Best year yardage was 945yds. In 6 years he scored 5 or less TDs 4 times. He is no better then a #2. Even that is pushing itNow I agree they should have gave TO a bonus there after the super bowl but set back a few years? That is what happens when your franchise QB gets hurt. It has nothing to do with TO. The WRs on the market this year were mediocre at best. Which is why the Eagles tried to sigh Moss, whom they ALMOST had, push a trade for Fitz ( and whoever else they are looking at ) and ignore the other WRs out there because frankly they ( those out there now ) are the same as what we have.One thing i noticed in most threads relating to the eagles, you have more non eagles fans posting about them in negative ways then you do real fans of the team

There isnt anything out there that is better than what they have. If Roy Williams is available for a 2nd round pick, I would be all over that if I was Philly. I'd even throw in a 4th to get it done. Other than that, I think they are stuck with what they have. With Hank Baskett or Jason Avant is the #3, I just think they are lacking.

Whose to say Roy is on the block or not? There is a heap load of #### we don't know, past and present, about the eagles because they are one of the better teams in the league about keeping hush. Do I like Avant or Baskett as a #3? Yes, their price is good, they are good players BUT the play calling is what lacks here. They hardly saw anything last year. Most of that falls on the coaching staff, and under Reid, this has always been a major flaw of his. McNabb right away shows you that the staff is not apt to change with philosophy. Otherwise we would not be running a WCO. As good as he has been all these years, he could have been BETTER with a different offsence scheme I believe. Our O Line is built for running and just recently we started running the ball more. When McNabb was hurt the beginning of the year...we still passed a good amount, again, falls on coaching staff not adjusting. Think Winston Justice. Take the guy adn toss him in the LT spot even though he is a RT, refuse to adjust gameplan and bring an extra blocker and now we have a young guy who is pretty much done ( hoping not ) because his confidence went right out the windowafter that 6 sack day. I think this is why alot of the players the Eagles have may come across as bums to some fans. Personally though I like Avant. He can be a good slot guy ( think Antonio Freeman slot, not Welker slot ). Baskett has that height and jumping ability and shown he can play already but the problem is, Reid refuses to do fade passes in the red zone. That is where Hank could shine.You bring in a Fitz, Boldin, Chad, Roy player, stretch the field with Curtis, give the over the middle and short routes to Brown. Have Avant and Baskett play in the redzone ( hands and height ). Easier typed then done though. You have to think though, since hte early 80s, 3 WRs in the first round. Most recent being Mitchell, who was a big bust ( drafted in another round and in another role could have been good ). They spend too much time, imho, trying to dig out that diamond in the rough when it comes to drafting, rather then going for a more proven player. Problem is there is evaluation. They have had a good amount of high round busts but had some 2nd day players produce. Something is very wrong with that.Overall do i like the eagles? Yes, would I like a super bowl? yes. Would I like them to be a one hit wonder ( suck for a while, pull a NY in the playoffs and win a SB, suck for some more years )...hell no.ps - eagles have been one of the top 3 teams over the past decade sans superbowl

 

[awesomeness]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

Really?I like the Eagles but I would say that TB, the Colts, the Giants and Pittsburgh have had better runs.

Hard to say that the Bucs have had a better run as they have only made the playoffs 3 times since '01. And have just a .509 winning % over that time.The Giants are just .500 since 2001.

Obviously both those teams have won a superbowl, but that doesnt mean they have had a better run since '01. I would agree that the Colts have had a better run, and would consider Pitt and Philly to be very close over that time.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

Really?I like the Eagles but I would say that TB, the Colts, the Giants and Pittsburgh have had better runs.

Hard to say that the Bucs have had a better run as they have only made the playoffs 3 times since '01. And have just a .509 winning % over that time.The Giants are just .500 since 2001.

Obviously both those teams have won a superbowl, but that doesnt mean they have had a better run since '01. I would agree that the Colts have had a better run, and would consider Pitt and Philly to be very close over that time.

I dont think you can put Philly's run above anybody else that has won a title. That is the ultimate goal. I mean you want to contend every year but if you do that and never win a title, its pretty unsatisfying.

 

[renesauz]

Yes...it is a little bit disatisfying...but not nearly so bad as when you believe your team has no chance in September, and know your team is done by the end of October. There is something special about being on the edge of my seat virtually every December/January.

So special in fact, that I will go on record as saying I would MUCH MUCH rather be an Eagles fan begging for a ring then a Bucs fan. And while the Giants have a better history, the Eagles have been more competitive more often in the past 8 years.

Yes, I do wish this FO would make just a little extra effort some year, stretch their "philosophy" and go for broke...but their safer methods have led to 4 NFC title game appearences, and 2 other playoff appearences in the last 8 years. That kind of track record should be very, VERY DIFFICULT to condemn.

Enjoy the ride while it last Philly fans...we could be in Detroit, Houston, Oakland, or even Tampa.

 

[JetMaxx]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

Really?I like the Eagles but I would say that TB, the Colts, the Giants and Pittsburgh have had better runs.

Fantastic reply. It's about Super Bowl Championships, no more, no less. Those teams have them and the Eagles don't. I don't know one Eagles fan, myself included, that wouldn't trade their post 2001 run for one SB championship.

 

[awesomeness]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

Really?I like the Eagles but I would say that TB, the Colts, the Giants and Pittsburgh have had better runs.

Hard to say that the Bucs have had a better run as they have only made the playoffs 3 times since '01. And have just a .509 winning % over that time.The Giants are just .500 since 2001.

Obviously both those teams have won a superbowl, but that doesnt mean they have had a better run since '01. I would agree that the Colts have had a better run, and would consider Pitt and Philly to be very close over that time.

I dont think you can put Philly's run above anybody else that has won a title. That is the ultimate goal. I mean you want to contend every year but if you do that and never win a title, its pretty unsatisfying.

My point was that its not really a run if you win the superbowl, and then not make the playoffs again for the next 3 seasons.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

Really?I like the Eagles but I would say that TB, the Colts, the Giants and Pittsburgh have had better runs.

Fantastic reply. It's about Super Bowl Championships, no more, no less. Those teams have them and the Eagles don't. I don't know one Eagles fan, myself included, that wouldn't trade their post 2001 run for one SB championship.

Maybe you should read more replies in this thread.

 

[Kruppe]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

So as a Pats fan who lives in PA, apparently you are just here to antagonize Eagles fans, which make up most of this thread?I think both of these are applicable:

I am in this thread as an Eagles fan. I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. I just think that Eagles organization is disengenuous in the line of crap that they feed their fans. I also have a big difference in opinion with many Eagles fans regarding Stallworth. I thought he looked awfully good in GREEN the year he was here.

Okaaaay...

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Update:

Not much to say, but the Eagles HAVE NOT given up their pursuit of a WR via trade. The Torry Holt deal IS NOT dead yet. There are also a few other names that are being thrown around, but nothing solid.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

The exact mentality I am talking about. You dont think the Eagles have made bad decisions?

I think that in regards to keeping their own FA's or letting them walk; they've done an exceptional job.....with the biggest exception being not keeping Trotter. 03 really was their year to win it ( Bucs v. Oak) and I think that losing Trotter contributed to that. If you look at the list of let go FA's, they usually know when to cut ties with a player.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

The exact mentality I am talking about. You dont think the Eagles have made bad decisions?

I think that in regards to keeping their own FA's or letting them walk; they've done an exceptional job.....with the biggest exception being not keeping Trotter. 03 really was their year to win it ( Bucs v. Oak) and I think that losing Trotter contributed to that. If you look at the list of let go FA's, they usually know when to cut ties with a player.

Derrick BurgessAl Harris

Rod Hood

Guys that they could have had but cut

Raheem Brock

Jabar Gaffney

 

[renesauz]

Trotter was no exception. He wanted to be paid like a top 3 LB...and he wasn't. His (lack of) success in Washington confirmed what the Eagles coaches already knew...Trotter was slowing down and not worth top 3 money.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Update:Not much to say, but the Eagles HAVE NOT given up their pursuit of a WR via trade. The Torry Holt deal IS NOT dead yet. There are also a few other names that are being thrown around, but nothing solid.

Care to share a list?Is Boldin a possibility?Any names that are being kicked around that haven't been discussed much?

 

[zadok]

Derrick Burgess

Al Harris

Rod Hood

Guys that they could have had but cut

Raheem Brock

Jabar Gaffney

Harris and Hood wanted and got a starting job/money elsewhere. There is no way the Eagles could have kept them with the CBs on their roster.Burgess and Brock were mistakes to let go.

Gaffney is an average WR, of which they already have some...

 

[Darth Cheney]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

I'm just echoing the feeling of many here in Philly. The Eagle front office does not go the extra mile to try and win a title. They do a very good job to a point but have only gone for it in 2004 by signing TO and Kearse. Every other year, they stick to their "Plan". It was sticking to their "Plan" after the 2005 season that helped add fuel to the TO situation. They could have quietly given TO a million dollar bonus for his actions related to playing in that SB. They decided not to, TO flipped out, and the team was set back for a couple of years.

Since 2001, they've had the best run of years of any non-cheating team in the NFL, guy. You don't get there by making bad decisions.

The exact mentality I am talking about. You dont think the Eagles have made bad decisions?

I think that in regards to keeping their own FA's or letting them walk; they've done an exceptional job.....with the biggest exception being not keeping Trotter. 03 really was their year to win it ( Bucs v. Oak) and I think that losing Trotter contributed to that. If you look at the list of let go FA's, they usually know when to cut ties with a player.

Derrick BurgessAl Harris

Rod Hood

Guys that they could have had but cut

Raheem Brock

Jabar Gaffney

Al "dead from the neck up" Harris? He was traded.....and as a nickle back with two young CB's there....I don't think it was a glaring mistake..it was just very good depth at the CB position. Rod Hood was another victim to their ability to draft good CB's.

Derrick Burgess was injured in his tenure there.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Derrick Burgess

Al Harris

Rod Hood

Guys that they could have had but cut

Raheem Brock

Jabar Gaffney

Harris and Hood wanted and got a starting job/money elsewhere. There is no way the Eagles could have kept them with the CBs on their roster.Burgess and Brock were mistakes to let go.

Gaffney is an average WR, of which they already have some...

Brock was a seventh round draft pick

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Update:Not much to say, but the Eagles HAVE NOT given up their pursuit of a WR via trade. The Torry Holt deal IS NOT dead yet. There are also a few other names that are being thrown around, but nothing solid.

Care to share a list?Is Boldin a possibility?Any names that are being kicked around that haven't been discussed much?

Boldin was asked about, but the Cards said no. Same with Roy Williams. The Jags offered them Jones or Williams for Lito, Eagles politely declined. The Holt deal has some legs.They inquired about Chad Johnson (and Housh), but nothing has come of it.Look for one of two things to happen at thew draft:1. The Eagles trade for a WR.2. The Eagles draft a WR at 19. I never thought that would happen, by my source is convinced that the Eagles will not leave the 1st round without a WR.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him?

Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

Stallworth is over-rated. I'm an Eagles homer and was glad to see him go. He's talented but always hurt. Sprinkle in off-field issues and he's just not worth the big contract. Think about this... Brady threw 50 TDs and he only caught three! Journeyman Jabar Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch.

You Eagles fans are unbelievable. He played one year in Philly. He missed 4 games early in the season and then played from game 7 on and was your best receiver in the playoffs. What off field issues has Stallworth had? He doesnt cost a lot and he's better than any other WR currently on your roster.

Eagles fans are different from Pats fans in many ways.He played one year in Philly, but the fact that he has a perrenial hamstring injury remains.

He doesn't have offfield issues? I'll buy that. He's getting paid from good franchises so I can see that might be bad information.

He doesn't cost a lot? I wonder where he ranks in overall WR salaries...

It is very debatable as to how much better he is than Brown and Curtis. I think they are close and many experts would have different opinions.

1. I have not seen hide nor hair of this hamstring injury since October of 2006. 2. Offield issues - By all accounts, he is in the substance abuse program because he got caught smoking pot. In this day and age, that does not amount to off field issues. He has been nothing but a great teammate in Philly and NE.

3. Cost? If you are going to pay 8-10 million for a number 1, I figure about 4 million a year isnt bad for a good #2.

4. I live in Philly and watched every Eagles game in 2006. He was much better than Reggie Brown. Curtis had a good year this past year but Stallworth is just more explosive and he proved to be a pretty good blocker for the Pats.

OK Mr. Hindsight. Ironically October of 2006 puts him on what team's roster? It's nice to know that YOU don't consider getting caught smoking pot, an off field issue. The reality is that it puts him in the league substance program. These 2 facts were very relevant at the time they made their decision to pass on him following the 2006 season. You can knock Brown if you'd like; but the fact is he's outperformed Stallworth the last 2 seasons. His 2007 production may have declined; he was also playing with a quarterback whose knee clearly wasn't right until 3/4 through the season & a journeyman stiff who completes more passes to the opposition than he does his own receivers.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Derrick Burgess

Al Harris

Rod Hood

Guys that they could have had but cut

Raheem Brock

Jabar Gaffney

Harris and Hood wanted and got a starting job/money elsewhere. There is no way the Eagles could have kept them with the CBs on their roster.Burgess and Brock were mistakes to let go.

Gaffney is an average WR, of which they already have some...

Brock was a seventh round draft pick

Relevance?

 

[ThePassion]

Update:Not much to say, but the Eagles HAVE NOT given up their pursuit of a WR via trade. The Torry Holt deal IS NOT dead yet. There are also a few other names that are being thrown around, but nothing solid.

Care to share a list?Is Boldin a possibility?Any names that are being kicked around that haven't been discussed much?

Boldin was asked about, but the Cards said no. Same with Roy Williams. The Jags offered them Jones or Williams for Lito, Eagles politely declined. The Holt deal has some legs.They inquired about Chad Johnson (and Housh), but nothing has come of it.Look for one of two things to happen at thew draft:1. The Eagles trade for a WR.2. The Eagles draft a WR at 19. I never thought that would happen, by my source is convinced that the Eagles will not leave the 1st round without a WR.

I don't like the sound of #2.... Freddie Mitchell version 2. Just bring in Roy/Anquan/Chad. I'll even take Torry at this point!

 

[The Noid]

Wow. Have a vendetta against Eagles fans much?Seem kind of obsessed that Eagles fans suck and Donte Stallworth is a god.

Just the opposite. I love Eagles fans. I live in Philly. Most of my best friends in my neighborhood are big Eagles fans.I just think they give their front office a free pass too often.

I don't know where in Philly you live (I'm going to assume not in the actual city), or what friends you have that are Eagle's fans, but saying the average Eagle fan sits back and takes it while the front office makes bad decisions is ludicrous.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Derrick Burgess

Al Harris

Rod Hood

Guys that they could have had but cut

Raheem Brock

Jabar Gaffney

Harris and Hood wanted and got a starting job/money elsewhere. There is no way the Eagles could have kept them with the CBs on their roster.Burgess and Brock were mistakes to let go.

Gaffney is an average WR, of which they already have some...

Brock was a seventh round draft pick

Relevance?

He was let go before the season started.....They had Kalu, Douglas and Whiting on that line. That would be akin to jumping on every other team in the NFL for not drafting Tom Brady before the Pats did.

 

[JetMaxx]

Great stuff DH. Thanks for posting.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Update:Not much to say, but the Eagles HAVE NOT given up their pursuit of a WR via trade. The Torry Holt deal IS NOT dead yet. There are also a few other names that are being thrown around, but nothing solid.

Care to share a list?Is Boldin a possibility?Any names that are being kicked around that haven't been discussed much?

Boldin was asked about, but the Cards said no. Same with Roy Williams. The Jags offered them Jones or Williams for Lito, Eagles politely declined. The Holt deal has some legs.They inquired about Chad Johnson (and Housh), but nothing has come of it.Look for one of two things to happen at thew draft:1. The Eagles trade for a WR.2. The Eagles draft a WR at 19. I never thought that would happen, by my source is convinced that the Eagles will not leave the 1st round without a WR.

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

PhiladelphiaEagles.com reports Philadelphia Eagles DL Juqua Thomas has officially changed his name to Juqua Parker. "My father died in 2005, but before that he asked me to change my name to Parker. That was his last name. I just took a long time to get around to doing it," said Parker.

Is there some rule that at least one Eagle has to do this every year?

 

[Zoomanji]

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

Really????Doesn't his size scare you?Don't we need a big #1 not another K. Curtis?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

Really????Doesn't his size scare you?Don't we need a big #1 not another K. Curtis?

My thoughts exactly. I'd much rather have Sweed, Hardy or Kelly. At 175 pounds soaking wet, Jackson scares me.

 

[delusional]

I am a bit scared after Jacksons combine. Granted getting Jerry Rice to back you as the best WR in the draft is something, if he could just bulk up a bit before the draft it might be good.

I honestly think if one of the top O line guys falls, they will go after that and try to take a WR in the 2nd. Face it, a rookie in the eagles offense just doesn't play. Unless forced to because of injury.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Update:

Not much to say, but the Eagles HAVE NOT given up their pursuit of a WR via trade. The Torry Holt deal IS NOT dead yet. There are also a few other names that are being thrown around, but nothing solid.

Care to share a list?Is Boldin a possibility?

Any names that are being kicked around that haven't been discussed much?

Boldin was asked about, but the Cards said no. Same with Roy Williams.

The Jags offered them Jones or Williams for Lito, Eagles politely declined.

The Holt deal has some legs.

They inquired about Chad Johnson (and Housh), but nothing has come of it.

Look for one of two things to happen at thew draft:

1. The Eagles trade for a WR.

2. The Eagles draft a WR at 19.

I never thought that would happen, by my source is convinced that the Eagles will not leave the 1st round without a WR.

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

I hate this scenario; reaching to fill a need as opposed to B.P.A. The last time we did this we wound up with that STIFF McDougle. There is no value with wide receiver in the 1st round this year.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I am a bit scared after Jacksons combine. Granted getting Jerry Rice to back you as the best WR in the draft is something, if he could just bulk up a bit before the draft it might be good. I honestly think if one of the top O line guys falls, they will go after that and try to take a WR in the 2nd. Face it, a rookie in the eagles offense just doesn't play. Unless forced to because of injury.

I thought the same thing. I can picture it now:Godell: With the 19th pick of the NFL draft the Eagles take Limas....*boom*:flattenedbyandyreid:Reid: The Eagles select Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt. The time is yours......

 

[zadok]

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

Really????Doesn't his size scare you?Don't we need a big #1 not another K. Curtis?

My thoughts exactly. I'd much rather have Sweed, Hardy or Kelly. At 175 pounds soaking wet, Jackson scares me.

His real value is as a returner. If he's Devin Hester Jr, you have to take him at 19, no?

 

[Zoomanji]

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

Really????Doesn't his size scare you?Don't we need a big #1 not another K. Curtis?

My thoughts exactly. I'd much rather have Sweed, Hardy or Kelly. At 175 pounds soaking wet, Jackson scares me.

His real value is as a returner. If he's Devin Hester Jr, you have to take him at 19, no?

Only if the team has no holes and can afford the luxury of taking a returner with its 1st pick..So IMO- No

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Update:

Not much to say, but the Eagles HAVE NOT given up their pursuit of a WR via trade. The Torry Holt deal IS NOT dead yet. There are also a few other names that are being thrown around, but nothing solid.

Care to share a list?Is Boldin a possibility?

Any names that are being kicked around that haven't been discussed much?

Boldin was asked about, but the Cards said no. Same with Roy Williams.

The Jags offered them Jones or Williams for Lito, Eagles politely declined.

The Holt deal has some legs.

They inquired about Chad Johnson (and Housh), but nothing has come of it.

Look for one of two things to happen at thew draft:

1. The Eagles trade for a WR.

2. The Eagles draft a WR at 19.

I never thought that would happen, by my source is convinced that the Eagles will not leave the 1st round without a WR.

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

I hate this scenario; reaching to fill a need as opposed to B.P.A. The last time we did this we wound up with that STIFF McDougle. There is no value with wide receiver in the 1st round this year.

While I personally believe that they take a OT at 1.19, I don't think their options at WR are horrible. Quite simply, you can make a trade if no one wants to trade. If they can't get a WR that way they have to draft one. Maybe they can take a OT at 1.19 and trade up in the second (Lito and their 2.16 should do the trick) to get who ever falls at WR from Kelly, Sweed or Hardy.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

Really????Doesn't his size scare you?Don't we need a big #1 not another K. Curtis?

My thoughts exactly. I'd much rather have Sweed, Hardy or Kelly. At 175 pounds soaking wet, Jackson scares me.

His real value is as a returner. If he's Devin Hester Jr, you have to take him at 19, no?

No, I wouldn't. Don't forget, Hester was drafted in the second round and that's where I see Jackson falling to.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Derrick Burgess

Al Harris

Rod Hood

Guys that they could have had but cut

Raheem Brock

Jabar Gaffney

Harris and Hood wanted and got a starting job/money elsewhere. There is no way the Eagles could have kept them with the CBs on their roster.Burgess and Brock were mistakes to let go.

Gaffney is an average WR, of which they already have some...

Brock was a seventh round draft pick

Relevance?

He was let go before the season started.....They had Kalu, Douglas and Whiting on that line. That would be akin to jumping on every other team in the NFL for not drafting Tom Brady before the Pats did.

No. It would be akin to the Patriots drafting Tom Brady and cutting him.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I am a bit scared after Jacksons combine. Granted getting Jerry Rice to back you as the best WR in the draft is something, if he could just bulk up a bit before the draft it might be good. I honestly think if one of the top O line guys falls, they will go after that and try to take a WR in the 2nd. Face it, a rookie in the eagles offense just doesn't play. Unless forced to because of injury.

I thought the same thing. I can picture it now:Godell: With the 19th pick of the NFL draft the Eagles take Limas....*boom*:flattenedbyandyreid:Reid: The Eagles select Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt. The time is yours......

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

Really????Doesn't his size scare you?Don't we need a big #1 not another K. Curtis?

My thoughts exactly. I'd much rather have Sweed, Hardy or Kelly. At 175 pounds soaking wet, Jackson scares me.

His real value is as a returner. If he's Devin Hester Jr, you have to take him at 19, no?

Stop looking at him as just a WR. He's a ST ace that can help you win now. Let him grow into the mold as an NFL WR on his own timeline, but if you're looking for an impact player for 2008, it won't be as a starting WR.The Eagles will be drafting for the most part for 2009 and beyond, not the now. A KR/PR ace can help you this season, however. Add in that he can stretch the field in a 4-wide setup (which also strips down his need to learn the entire AR playbook, a daunting task for a rook) and you can see how he can help Philly win this season.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Thanks DH.Sign me up for DeSean Jackson at #19.

Really????Doesn't his size scare you?Don't we need a big #1 not another K. Curtis?

My thoughts exactly. I'd much rather have Sweed, Hardy or Kelly. At 175 pounds soaking wet, Jackson scares me.

His real value is as a returner. If he's Devin Hester Jr, you have to take him at 19, no?

Stop looking at him as just a WR. He's a ST ace that can help you win now. Let him grow into the mold as an NFL WR on his own timeline, but if you're looking for an impact player for 2008, it won't be as a starting WR.The Eagles will be drafting for the most part for 2009 and beyond, not the now. A KR/PR ace can help you this season, however. Add in that he can stretch the field in a 4-wide setup (which also strips down his need to learn the entire AR playbook, a daunting task for a rook) and you can see how he can help Philly win this season.

As I said, if he's the guy you're looking at, I'd go with a OT at 1.19 and trade Lito and their second to move up to get Jackson. I think you can get into the top three picks in the second if you offer that package.