***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[lastresort66]

Biggest Value in Rd 1

1. Babe, 1.03

2. Mays, 1.04

3. Bonds 1.08/Hornsby, 1.15

***Bonds/Mays should've gone 1/2 in my opinion, Hornsby could've went top-5, as could Bonds. All 4 of those guys went way too far down the list.

Worst Value in Rd 1

1. Koufax, 1.02

2. Musial, 1.09

3. Johnson, 1.01

***Breaks my heart to have Musial on this list, but he went a shade too early..you could argue Joe D was the better player and he went 10 picks later. And I don't think too many would have Musial > Mantle on their all-time beisbol cheatsheets.

Koufax was a machine in his prime, one of the top-3 lefties ever, and put up some absolutely disgusting stats..but he wasn't the second-best player of all-time. You could argue he wasn't even the second-best lefty of all-time. Spock had Mays AND Ruth to choose from there and really screwed the pooch.

I have The Big Train as the third worst pick of the round, not because of his accomplishments, but just because the pull of having Ruth there for the taking and passing him up was just too much. The majority of baseball and stat geeks concede Babe was the greatest player ever, and I've never heard Johnson enter that discussion. WJ would not have been there later on for Pump to pick, but other dominant righties would've been..and he would've had Babe already in the bag.

Just my

I would also like to add that grabbing Honus Wagner at the end of the 1st round was a steal, IMO. Should have been a mid-rounder easily.Grabbing Pedro early 2nd was a bit iffy.

 

[higgins]

Higgins, do you still like the Foxx pick? Surprised he slipped.

Foxx pick was fantastic....surprising he was there.I'll PM thoughts to you later....also, lemme know when you're not going to be around for a while. I'll flame away at others during your absence....

 

[Capella]

Biggest Value in Rd 1

1. Babe, 1.03

2. Mays, 1.04

3. Bonds 1.08/Hornsby, 1.10

fixed, still damn good value

I meant Wagner..see what happens when I do this #### fast.

 

[Koya]

I don't understand... when Koya was leaving, he was told that his pick was going to be any second, that both the guys in front of him were here, and that he should leave a list.  And then his pick came 5 minutes later and he was gone.  I mean, I can understand if people ahve no idea, or are asleep or something, but he was even warned...

Guys, my apologies, but I had literally 20 min in which to check this, start looking at option, send 4 work emails AND make lunch. I had no time and wanted to let you all know I would be back at 3.

no problem at all, just couldn't understand what happened because that one guy had noted that this was going to happen; i guess you had already taken off at that point

yeah, that is why i let you all know, so people would not wonder why I disappeared. I left when there was still one person before me, but I had NO time to look at my options. To save time, I was looking at baseball #### during my meeting! just trying to do my best to move this along and let everyone know.

 

[lastresort66]

Biggest Value in Rd 1

1. Babe, 1.03

2. Mays, 1.04

3. Bonds 1.08/Hornsby, 1.10

fixed, still damn good value

I meant Wagner..see what happens when I do this #### fast.

Agreed. Wagner > Hornsby.However, Hornsby was still a good pick.

 

[Capella]

Biggest Value in Rd 1

1. Babe, 1.03

2. Mays, 1.04

3. Bonds 1.08/Hornsby, 1.15

***Bonds/Mays should've gone 1/2 in my opinion, Hornsby could've went top-5, as could Bonds. All 4 of those guys went way too far down the list.

Worst Value in Rd 1

1. Koufax, 1.02

2. Musial, 1.09

3. Johnson, 1.01

***Breaks my heart to have Musial on this list, but he went a shade too early..you could argue Joe D was the better player and he went 10 picks later. And I don't think too many would have Musial > Mantle on their all-time beisbol cheatsheets.

Koufax was a machine in his prime, one of the top-3 lefties ever, and put up some absolutely disgusting stats..but he wasn't the second-best player of all-time. You could argue he wasn't even the second-best lefty of all-time. Spock had Mays AND Ruth to choose from there and really screwed the pooch.

I have The Big Train as the third worst pick of the round, not because of his accomplishments, but just because the pull of having Ruth there for the taking and passing him up was just too much. The majority of baseball and stat geeks concede Babe was the greatest player ever, and I've never heard Johnson enter that discussion. WJ would not have been there later on for Pump to pick, but other dominant righties would've been..and he would've had Babe already in the bag.

Just my

I would also like to add that grabbing Honus Wagner at the end of the 1st round was a steal, IMO. Should have been a mid-rounder easily.Grabbing Pedro early 2nd was a bit iffy.

yeah I was talking about Wagner..I ####ed that up. Hornsby was a great pick, but about where I thought he should go. Wagner should've been in the discussion for top-5, imo.

 

[Funkley]

Higgins, do you still like the Foxx pick? Surprised he slipped.

Foxx pick was fantastic....surprising he was there.I'll PM thoughts to you later....also, lemme know when you're not going to be around for a while. I'll flame away at others during your absence....

Deal .Total cereal at 1.2....worst pick in any draft ever.......followed closely by Donutz f'ing cereal at 1.3. :X

 

[Sammy3469]

Even counting his name, Young went too early also. With Bonds, Williams, and Gehrig still there they should have been picked.Just some justification for my pick. In Tiger stadium, it's not really going to matter which one I took. They're both going to get a bunch of cheap home runs (Williams had 55 career home runs there the most by far of any away stadium).

 

[Koya]

Biggest Value in Rd 1

1. Babe, 1.03

2. Mays, 1.04

3. Bonds 1.08/Hornsby, 1.15

***Bonds/Mays should've gone 1/2 in my opinion, Hornsby could've went top-5, as could Bonds. All 4 of those guys went way too far down the list.

Worst Value in Rd 1

1. Koufax, 1.02

2. Musial, 1.09

3. Johnson, 1.01

***Breaks my heart to have Musial on this list, but he went a shade too early..you could argue Joe D was the better player and he went 10 picks later. And I don't think too many would have Musial > Mantle on their all-time beisbol cheatsheets.

Koufax was a machine in his prime, one of the top-3 lefties ever, and put up some absolutely disgusting stats..but he wasn't the second-best player of all-time. You could argue he wasn't even the second-best lefty of all-time. Spock had Mays AND Ruth to choose from there and really screwed the pooch.

I have The Big Train as the third worst pick of the round, not because of his accomplishments, but just because the pull of having Ruth there for the taking and passing him up was just too much. The majority of baseball and stat geeks concede Babe was the greatest player ever, and I've never heard Johnson enter that discussion. WJ would not have been there later on for Pump to pick, but other dominant righties would've been..and he would've had Babe already in the bag.

Just my

I would also like to add that grabbing Honus Wagner at the end of the 1st round was a steal, IMO. Should have been a mid-rounder easily.Grabbing Pedro early 2nd was a bit iffy.

I can not argue with Walter too much (I would have taken Ruth hands down) only because of the strategic aspect. Depending how his team works out, if you gave me the option of the Best ever Pitcher vs. best ever position player for one game, I would have to go pitcher. Now, this is not about a "game" - which is why I would have gone Ruth. But strategy wise, in a game won with pitching and defense, there is only one position that has more say than the rest combined at times... pitcher.

Hornsby was a great pick too. I Still think Honus Wager is a top 3 position player though. It was VERY hard to pass him up. Only Walter (best pitcher ever bar none) or Lefty (consensus best Lefty ever, and consensus top 3 pitcher ever... though unlike Walter, there is some room for debate here) would have gotten the nod over Wagner. If I KNEW that Lefty would have been there in the second, I would have jumped on Wagner and been VERY happy with it.

 

[Funkley]

I'll be interested in seeing what kind of defensive rating the simulation applies to Wagner. Could boost his value even more.

 

[Bogart]

Probably should go pitcher here, and really like one in particular, but going to go offense.

With Wagner not quite making it back to me, I am going to go back with my original first-round thought. Batting leadoff for The Rabbits and setting the table for Rajah will be:

2.07 - Rickey Henley Henderson - OF

The Man Of Steal is simply the greatest leadoff hitter to ever play the game, and if you don't believe it just ask him.

All-Time leader in Stolen Bases (1406) and Runs (2295). Second all time in Walks and Power/Speed Number. 873 extra base hits with 297 HRs. His typical third best season will be 110 Runs, 100 SB with an OBP of 0.410.

 

[Doug B]

Worst Value in Rd 1

1. Koufax, 1.02

2. Musial, 1.09

3. Johnson, 1.01

***Breaks my heart to have Musial on this list, but he went a shade too early..you could argue Joe D was the better player and he went 10 picks later. And I don't think too many would have Musial > Mantle on their all-time beisbol cheatsheets.

I do like my Musial pick, but I have to say that it was a tough decision between him, Mantle, Aaron, and someone else. Really tough.Aaron wasn't that painful to eliminate because of the park factor. Mantle was tougher to deal with. The Mick was, like Musial, was somebody I really wanted on my team. I had to go through some mental gymnastics to put Musial ahead of him. Roughly, it mainly came down to taking a higher-average guy (with many more career hits) over a better-power guy.

At this point, I am wondering if I could have gone with Mantle, and then gotten Musial in the second. Seems unlikely, but Musial kind of flies under the radar in people's minds.

 

[Statorama]

Mike Schmidt - best 3rd baseman ever, and someone who hit 550 homers in an era where batters were not favored (8 home run crowns). 10 Straight Gold gloves at the hot corner is nice, too.

Sure hope Davearm and The Fanatic don't read this thread.If baseball is really serious about their steroid policy this year, I'm really interested in seeing what Bonds can do when off the juice. In my opinion, what he does this year defines his career. If he even does .300/27/90 I will back the accomplishments of his roid years and never mention them again.

 

[Funkley]

Probably should go pitcher here, and really like one in particular, but going to go offense.

With Wagner not quite making it back to me, I am going to go back with my original first-round thought. Batting leadoff for The Rabbits and setting the table for Rajah will be:

2.07 - Rickey Henley Henderson - OF

The Man Of Steal is simply the greatest leadoff hitter to ever play the game, and if you don't believe it just ask him.

All-Time leader in Stolen Bases (1406) and Runs (2295). Second all time in Walks and Power/Speed Number. 873 extra base hits with 297 HRs. His typical third best season will be 110 Runs, 100 SB with an OBP of 0.410.

Rickey would like that you took Rickey here but Rickey would be WAY pissed he didn't go in the 1st round.

 

[Doug B]

This was the fourth guy I considered at 1.09, especially after Walter Johnson and Koufax went. I am honestly surprised he's still on the board:

2.08 SP Warren Spahn

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[Funkley]

Worst Value in Rd 1

1. Koufax, 1.02

2. Musial, 1.09

3. Johnson, 1.01

***Breaks my heart to have Musial on this list, but he went a shade too early..you could argue Joe D was the better player and he went 10 picks later. And I don't think too many would have Musial > Mantle on their all-time beisbol cheatsheets.

I do like my Musial pick, but I have to say that it was a tough decision between him, Mantle, Aaron, and someone else. Really tough.Aaron wasn't that painful to eliminate because of the park factor. Mantle was tougher to deal with. The Mick was, like Musial, was somebody I really wanted on my team. I had to go through some mental gymnastics to put Musial ahead of him. Roughly, it mainly came down to taking a higher-average guy (with many more career hits) over a better-power guy.

At this point, I am wondering if I could have gone with Mantle, and then gotten Musial in the second. Seems unlikely, but Musial kind of flies under the radar in people's minds.

When the draft positions were assigned I was thinking Musial at 1.12 but wouldn't have taken him over Cobb, Wagner, Foxx.......

 

[Capella]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

 

[Bogart]

Probably should go pitcher here, and really like one in particular, but going to go offense.

With Wagner not quite making it back to me, I am going to go back with my original first-round thought. Batting leadoff for The Rabbits and setting the table for Rajah will be:

2.07 - Rickey Henley Henderson - OF

The Man Of Steal is simply the greatest leadoff hitter to ever play the game, and if you don't believe it just ask him.

All-Time leader in Stolen Bases (1406) and Runs (2295). Second all time in Walks and Power/Speed Number. 873 extra base hits with 297 HRs. His typical third best season will be 110 Runs, 100 SB with an OBP of 0.410.

Rickey would like that you took Rickey here but Rickey would be WAY pissed he didn't go in the 1st round.

I plan on paying Rickey enough that Rickey won't mind being a second round selection. Hell, I'll tell Rickey that Rickey went in the first round. Rickey won't know.

 

[Spartans Rule]

This was the fourth guy I considered at 1.09, especially after Walter Johnson and Koufax went. I am honestly surprised he's still on the board:

2.08 SP Warren Spahn

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Interesting pick. Much like Hank Aaron with his consistency but perhaps lack of dominance. Does have one amazing year to hang his hat on though (1953).

 

[Doug B]

Worst Value in Rd 1

1. Koufax, 1.02

2. Musial, 1.09

3. Johnson, 1.01

***Breaks my heart to have Musial on this list, but he went a shade too early..you could argue Joe D was the better player and he went 10 picks later. And I don't think too many would have Musial > Mantle on their all-time beisbol cheatsheets.

I do like my Musial pick, but I have to say that it was a tough decision between him, Mantle, Aaron, and someone else. Really tough.Aaron wasn't that painful to eliminate because of the park factor. Mantle was tougher to deal with. The Mick was, like Musial, was somebody I really wanted on my team. I had to go through some mental gymnastics to put Musial ahead of him. Roughly, it mainly came down to taking a higher-average guy (with many more career hits) over a better-power guy.

At this point, I am wondering if I could have gone with Mantle, and then gotten Musial in the second. Seems unlikely, but Musial kind of flies under the radar in people's minds.

When the draft positions were assigned I was thinking Musial at 1.12 but wouldn't have taken him over Cobb, Wagner, Foxx.......

Cobb and Wagner would have been fine ... it's just that I was going for my RBI guy first. Sort of a personal philosophy issue.Foxx wouldn't have fit in with my park. I am beginning to think I am emphasizing my ballpark as a draft factor more than anyone else is.

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[10993]

Well, you guys made it pretty hard on me by picking zero of the three guys that I was looking at... so here's hoping it stays hard.

2.09 Grover Cleveland (Pete) Alexander

One of the best five pitchers in baseball history. "Ol' Pete" won 30 games each season from 1915 to 1917 and led the league in ERA five times. No other National League pitcher has surpassed his marks of 373 victories and 90 shutouts.

 

[Funkley]

Worst Value in Rd 1

1. Koufax, 1.02

2. Musial, 1.09

3. Johnson, 1.01

***Breaks my heart to have Musial on this list, but he went a shade too early..you could argue Joe D was the better player and he went 10 picks later. And I don't think too many would have Musial > Mantle on their all-time beisbol cheatsheets.

I do like my Musial pick, but I have to say that it was a tough decision between him, Mantle, Aaron, and someone else. Really tough.Aaron wasn't that painful to eliminate because of the park factor. Mantle was tougher to deal with. The Mick was, like Musial, was somebody I really wanted on my team. I had to go through some mental gymnastics to put Musial ahead of him. Roughly, it mainly came down to taking a higher-average guy (with many more career hits) over a better-power guy.

At this point, I am wondering if I could have gone with Mantle, and then gotten Musial in the second. Seems unlikely, but Musial kind of flies under the radar in people's minds.

When the draft positions were assigned I was thinking Musial at 1.12 but wouldn't have taken him over Cobb, Wagner, Foxx.......

Cobb and Wagner would have been fine ... it's just that I was going for my RBI guy first. Sort of a personal philosophy issue.Foxx wouldn't have fit in with my park. I am beginning to think I am emphasizing my ballpark as a draft factor more than anyone else is.

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I'm considering ballpark but these guys in the first two rounds can hit anywhere. Foxx doesn't fit well with a deep left center being that he's righthanded but guys that hit 550+ homeruns shouldn't suffer from ballpark compared to players later on.

 

[Bogart]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I am beginning to think I am emphasizing my ballpark as a draft factor more than anyone else is.

Ballpark definitely was a factor in me picking Wagner. He's a perfect fit.Although even in a smaller park it would have been very difficult to pass him up where I got him.

 

[10993]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

I would want Vince Coleman over Ruth, too.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

I disagree. And I think this statement could start a riot and give a lot of negative PR to a very solid pick.

 

[10993]

MLB PLAYER DRAFTUpdated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- P CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- ON THE CLOCK2.11 Sammy2.12 Nipsey2.13 Capella2.14 Last Resort2.15 Spock2.16 Pumpnick

 

[10993]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

I disagree. And I think this statement could start a riot and give a lot of negative PR to a very solid pick.

I'm not going to riot. Doesn't make sense to react when people say super-ridiculous things. Better to save your steam for arguing that Aaron was never great.

 

[Capella]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

I disagree. And I think this statement could start a riot and give a lot of negative PR to a very solid pick.

if you could only have one LF, speed or power..which route do you go.

 

[Bogart]

Well, you guys made it pretty hard on me by picking zero of the three guys that I was looking at... so here's hoping it stays hard.

2.09 Grover Cleveland (Pete) Alexander

One of the best five pitchers in baseball history. "Ol' Pete" won 30 games each season from 1915 to 1917 and led the league in ERA five times. No other National League pitcher has surpassed his marks of 373 victories and 90 shutouts.

Love this pick. This was the pitcher I was thinking about when I picked Rickey.

 

[Statorama]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

Me too. Rickey would be a better influence in the clubhouse.

 

[Politician Spock]

Koufax was a machine in his prime, one of the top-3 lefties ever, and put up some absolutely disgusting stats..but he wasn't the second-best player of all-time. You could argue he wasn't even the second-best lefty of all-time. Spock had Mays AND Ruth to choose from there and really screwed the pooch.

I am building a team, not a Hall of Fame. Why have 16 TEAMS if just want to know who are the best players in order?P.S. to add, choosing Ruth and choosing a huge ball park contradict each other. I guess we were all supposed to avoid the big ball parks?!?!?

 

[Bogart]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

I would want Vince Coleman over Ruth, too.

Vince Coleman isnt even in the same league as Rickey. Rickey had speed and power. Of course Bonds is a great player, and maybe taking Rickey over him is a bit of a homer pick, but I don't think I could do wrong with either selection.

 

[Doug B]

This was the fourth guy I considered at 1.09, especially after Walter Johnson and Koufax went. I am honestly surprised he's still on the board:

2.08  SP  Warren Spahn

.

Interesting pick. Much like Hank Aaron with his consistency but perhaps lack of dominance. Does have one amazing year to hang his hat on though (1953).

Warren Spahn write-up:Spahn won the most games of any post-1920 pitcher, with 363. He won the NL Cy Young award in 1957, and would have been the leading candidate for the award in 1947, 1949, 1951, and 1953 had the award existed at the time. Spahn finished second in the Cy Young voting in 1958, 1960, and 1961, when the CYA was a MLB-wide award -- in 1958 and 1961, Spahn lost out to an American Leaguer, and thus would have had two more career Cy Youngs under today's rules.

Career Miscellany:;

Spahn won the NL ERA title three times, and was top-4 nine times, including each year from 1955-1961.

He led the NL in wins eight times, and was top-3 thirteen times. Spahn also has four NL strikeout titles, and finished top-5 eight times.

Spahn pitched 382 career complete games, far more than any other post-1920 pitcher.

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[10993]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

I disagree. And I think this statement could start a riot and give a lot of negative PR to a very solid pick.

if you could only have one LF, speed or power..which route do you go.

I dunno, I'd probably take the guy who had both, one of the three members of the 40/40 club and the only member of the 500/500 club.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

I disagree. And I think this statement could start a riot and give a lot of negative PR to a very solid pick.

if you could only have one LF, speed or power..which route do you go.

Power.Offense down the lines, defense up the middle. The Earl Weaver philosophy.

 

[Capella]

Koufax was a machine in his prime, one of the top-3 lefties ever, and put up some absolutely disgusting stats..but he wasn't the second-best player of all-time. You could argue he wasn't even the second-best lefty of all-time. Spock had Mays AND Ruth to choose from there and really screwed the pooch.

I am building a team, not a Hall of Fame. Why have 16 TEAMS if just want to know who are the best players in order?

I understand that..I just don't understand how you see Koufax as more of a cornerstone to that team than Ruth is.

 

[Koya]

Mike Schmidt (write up)

3x NL MVP

WS MVP

12 Time All Star

8 Home Run Titles (548 lifetime in a NON hitting era for sure)

5x Slugging % Leader (8x top 3, 12x top 4)

3x Leader On Base %

6x Adj. OPS Leader

10x Gold Glove Winner

Best Third Baseman EVER. (is it safe to say this is consensus?)

"An unprecedented combination of power and defense." - Baseballhalloffame.org

The best third baseman ever, Schmidt had exceptional defense at an important defensive position to go along with even more exceptional power. Exceptional defense and good speed as well (which for many 3rd basemen could be an issue). On a team built on D and Speed, to have a guy that is a top 10 all time slugger (he did not even play in a hitters era) as well is a huge bonus.

Schmidt does strike out more than you might like - but he had great on base numbers to help compensate. Average might be a concern to some, but two things come to mind. (1) Outside his final couple of years, you could expect .280 give or take and (2) Batting Avg alone is, in my opinion, an overated stat. That is not to say it is not important, but often people give it too much weight. Some may agree with me, some differ - another great baseball debate.

Overall, the consensus best ever at his position with few weeknesses at all (mentioned above). Offense and defense along with speed and power.

This was somewhat of a VBD pick, as there is a significant drop off in 3B talent IMO. There is maybe one other guy I can at least accept as competition to the best ever 3B arguement, and 3 more after that who were great players... and then I am not so sure. So it came down to Schmidt, another positional player I cant mention, and a Pitcher I cant mention.

really wanted the pitcher but then I was running the chance on missing the elite power hitters and thought I better go balance. Scmhidts D and Speed pushed him over the edge for me.

For the record, there is a brutal debate Joe D. vs. Schmidt on an "all time best players" poll in a baseball forum. Results were split evenly, although I was surprised that Joe. D. didnt win hands down in a poll of baseball fans.

 

[Koya]

Koufax was a machine in his prime, one of the top-3 lefties ever, and put up some absolutely disgusting stats..but he wasn't the second-best player of all-time. You could argue he wasn't even the second-best lefty of all-time. Spock had Mays AND Ruth to choose from there and really screwed the pooch.

I am building a team, not a Hall of Fame. Why have 16 TEAMS if just want to know who are the best players in order?

I understand that..I just don't understand how you see Koufax as more of a cornerstone to that team than Ruth is.

Some people value pitching above position players. Pitching can simply take a game over . And you only need one player per game to do that (if they are THAT good). Likewise, one BAD pitcher and any very good to legendary group of bats will score some runs.I see this as a matter of strategy. I would have gone Ruth by a mile over Koufax, but I could see justification for Walter Johnson going first (although I still disagree).

 

[Politician Spock]

Koufax was a machine in his prime, one of the top-3 lefties ever, and put up some absolutely disgusting stats..but he wasn't the second-best player of all-time. You could argue he wasn't even the second-best lefty of all-time. Spock had Mays AND Ruth to choose from there and really screwed the pooch.

I am building a team, not a Hall of Fame. Why have 16 TEAMS if just want to know who are the best players in order?

I understand that..I just don't understand how you see Koufax as more of a cornerstone to that team than Ruth is.

Because Ruth can't run. Bonds would be a good choice, but I just can't stand him.

 

[Capella]

Rickey is another absolute steal (pun intended)..I believe Ferris made the argument once that Rickey was a better all-time left fielder than Bonds.

If I was picking a team I would take Rickey over Bonds everytime.

I disagree. And I think this statement could start a riot and give a lot of negative PR to a very solid pick.

if you could only have one LF, speed or power..which route do you go.

I dunno, I'd probably take the guy who had both, one of the three members of the 40/40 club and the only member of the 500/500 club.

I see their value to a team as maybe not even..but a lot closer than I know you'll be willing to acknowledge.

 

[Koya]

Well, you guys made it pretty hard on me by picking zero of the three guys that I was looking at... so here's hoping it stays hard.

2.09 Grover Cleveland (Pete) Alexander

One of the best five pitchers in baseball history. "Ol' Pete" won 30 games each season from 1915 to 1917 and led the league in ERA five times. No other National League pitcher has surpassed his marks of 373 victories and 90 shutouts.

Love this pick. This was the pitcher I was thinking about when I picked Rickey.

I gave SERIOUS consideration to going pitcher pitcher... and Grover was my choice. I agonized for 5 min, and can not say I would have gone Schmidt every time. Great choice. If I did not like the possibilities that should be around later re: RHP (lefties might be a different case), then he would have been my choice as well.

He never was the same after WWI, or he would surely have won 400 games (he missed a year bc of the war and I believe was injured during or right after his service)

 

[Capella]

Koufax was a machine in his prime, one of the top-3 lefties ever, and put up some absolutely disgusting stats..but he wasn't the second-best player of all-time. You could argue he wasn't even the second-best lefty of all-time. Spock had Mays AND Ruth to choose from there and really screwed the pooch.

I am building a team, not a Hall of Fame. Why have 16 TEAMS if just want to know who are the best players in order?

I understand that..I just don't understand how you see Koufax as more of a cornerstone to that team than Ruth is.

Because Ruth can't run. Bonds would be a good choice, but I just can't stand him.

From what I've read, Babe was a lot better of a baserunner than people realize.

 

[Nipsey]

1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- P CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- ON THE CLOCK2.11 Sammy2.12 Nipsey

 

[Koya]

This was the fourth guy I considered at 1.09, especially after Walter Johnson and Koufax went. I am honestly surprised he's still on the board:

2.08 SP Warren Spahn

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Interesting pick. Much like Hank Aaron with his consistency but perhaps lack of dominance. Does have one amazing year to hang his hat on though (1953).

Exactly my thoughts re: comparisons to Aaron. Not the best of any particular era, but was damn damn close for a long long time.

 

[Bogart]

Mike Schmidt (write up)

Best Third Baseman EVER. (is it safe to say this is consensus?)

Not a consensus, and I will debate this, but only once the guy that I think is the best ever at 3rd is taken.

 

[Doug B]

This was the fourth guy I considered at 1.09, especially after Walter Johnson and Koufax went. I am honestly surprised he's still on the board:

2.08  SP  Warren Spahn

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Interesting pick. Much like Hank Aaron with his consistency but perhaps lack of dominance. Does have one amazing year to hang his hat on though (1953).

Exactly my thoughts re: comparisons to Aaron. Not the best of any particular era, but was damn damn close for a long long time.

Check out my write-up on the previous page -- I'm comfortable saying that Spahn was the best NL starting pitcher for a really long time..

 

[UCONN]

Whoa. Lots of progress. I almost took Foxx with my second round pick. Good choice Funkley.

 

[Koya]

Mike Schmidt - best 3rd baseman ever, and someone who hit 550 homers in an era where batters were not favored (8 home run crowns). 10 Straight Gold gloves at the hot corner is nice, too.

Sure hope Davearm and The Fanatic don't read this thread.If baseball is really serious about their steroid policy this year, I'm really interested in seeing what Bonds can do when off the juice. In my opinion, what he does this year defines his career. If he even does .300/27/90 I will back the accomplishments of his roid years and never mention them again.

Who are Davearm and The Fanatic? The funny thing was I thought about today's numbers when typing out Schmidts. I mean, what would he (and any other number of players) have done today? Likewise, a player in the dead ball era would have more power numbers now. Players in the late '60's will have an even arger disadvantage batting in general. Players that have the benefit of 90's-now have inflated offense stats... but the pitching numbers are so skewed.

Is there someone objectively, or a source online that can give us a "clue" what the sabre metrics are: Something like:

30 HRs in 1930 vs 60 vs 80 vs 00

Do the same for average, era and such. Obviously the formulas exist because whatifsports and such using one or another. It would be nice to have an agreement on a guy that hit 30 hrs in an era that would equate to 50 today to use as example without the certain to occur "you cant just add 20 more hrs to a guy.. he hit what he hit"

Anyone know of such a source?

 

[Funkley]

Whoa. Lots of progress. I almost took Foxx with my second round pick. Good choice Funkley.

I always have said that you are a man with good baseball sense.