***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[Koya]

My surprises:Tris Speaker... that was one of the early warning shots. That you guys know your baseball. I was sure he would be there in the second for me, which is why I was so confident about going pitcher first round over a top 3 position player (Wagner). While Schmidt ended up working out very well, at the time the pick had me a little concerned. Billy Hamilton - Now we are really talking knowing your baseball. I thought I could get him at least 2-3 rounds later. Bill Dickey - I had he and Hartnett very close, but was hoping for a lefty. Catching actually fell well for me, as I could delay my choice 2-3 rounds because there were always enough in my tier that they would probably be there later. Biggio - I thought he would slide a while, as he and Fox were my targets once Carew was off the board, and especially once spitomar was gone.

 

[Koya]

Is anyone tracking this thing in Excel? If so, PM me and I'll send you my email addy. I'd like to get started on entering some of the rosters in OOTP since I'll have to do it manually (i.e. import each player individually).TIA

I do have it, I am not 100% sure about accuracy and it is done a bit in shorthand. If you want it, pm me and ill email it.

 

[UCONN]

Jim Kaat SP....kind of a rushed pick. He's a fairly recent lefty that is high on my board and I'd like a lefty. Some HOF'ers and such still available from way back, but I'm goin' for the modern pitchin'. Flame away. Will get a list to Cappy.

 

[Bogart]

-- I was surprised to see Rickey Henderson go at 23rd overall. I was thinking of him as a third- or fourth-rounder.

I knew I wanted to build a team around Henderson and Hamilton at the top of my lineup. I knew Hamilton would slide (pun intended) but wasnt sure about Henderson. I think when you put together everything Henderson can do for your team (OBP, Walks, SBs, some power, good defense, Runs Scored), he went where he should have and maybe a little late.There is no way he is a fourth rounder.

 

[UCONN]

I was travelling last night and just have a small break now. Tried to work up a list before I left but couldn't get caught up. my bad.

No problem ... I just meant that I had missed the opportunity to make the offer.

I'll send you the list for my next round w/in the next 5 minutes or so. you can forward it to Cappy if you won't be around. I'm gonna be in and out (mostly out) for the majority of the rest of the day. Sorry guys. Hope ya'll are having fun.

 

[Koya]

-- I was surprised to see Rickey Henderson go at 23rd overall. I was thinking of him as a third- or fourth-rounder.

I knew I wanted to build a team around Henderson and Hamilton at the top of my lineup. I knew Hamilton would slide (pun intended) but wasnt sure about Henderson. I think when you put together everything Henderson can do for your team (OBP, Walks, SBs, some power, good defense, Runs Scored), he went where he should have and maybe a little late.There is no way he is a fourth rounder.

"Rickey is the best." - Rickey Henderson.

 

[Nipsey]

Sweet pic of Manny

 

[Doug B]

Let's see what we've got for an opening-day batting order:OF Tim RainesSS Alan Trammell3B George BrettOF Stan Musial1B Eddie MurrayOF Sammy Sosa2B Ryne SandbergC Ernie LombardiSP Warren SpahnDespite some of the misgivings I have about guys I missed, I like that lineup a lot.Anxious to go to battle :gang:.

 

[Koya]

When we are done with the draft, I will post our rosters on the baseball message board I have checked out a bit. There are a lot of big time baseball affecianados over there (the kind that actually knows who Arky Vaughn is) and it will be interesting to see their comments/votes compared to FFA.They also have some great lists/polls of the top 30+ players and another for pitchers, plus past polls on their best players by position.

 

[Koya]

Let's see what we've got for an opening-day batting order:OF Tim RainesSS Alan Trammell3B George BrettOF Stan Musial1B Eddie MurrayOF Sammy Sosa2B Ryne SandbergC Ernie LombardiSP Warren SpahnDespite some of the misgivings I have about guys I missed, I like that lineup a lot.Anxious to go to battle :gang:.

If I dont go pitching, I should have a starting lineup after my next pick, Ill post when I get there.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Jim Kaat SP....kind of a rushed pick. He's a fairly recent lefty that is high on my board and I'd like a lefty. Some HOF'ers and such still available from way back, but I'm goin' for the modern pitchin'. Flame away. Will get a list to Cappy.

I think this is a decent pick. I was looking at perhaps taking him as well, but decided he was a little too mediocre for stretches. Definitely a fan, though.. and always thought he was a pretty good broadcaster.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Sweet pic of Manny

I was all set to criticize you for not having a wad of chew in his cheek, but there you go.. already got it.

 

[Nipsey]

When we are done with the draft, I will post our rosters on the baseball message board I have checked out a bit. There are a lot of big time baseball affecianados over there (the kind that actually knows who Arky Vaughn is) and it will be interesting to see their comments/votes compared to FFA.They also have some great lists/polls of the top 30+ players and another for pitchers, plus past polls on their best players by position.

Don't do it. You'll only get upset....

 

[Doug B]

Jim Kaat SP....kind of a rushed pick. He's a fairly recent lefty that is high on my board and I'd like a lefty. Some HOF'ers and such still available from way back, but I'm goin' for the modern pitchin'. Flame away. Will get a list to Cappy.

One of the few pitchers fairly well known for his fielding. 16 consecutive Gold Gloves (1962-1977).Your opponents (Spock?) will bunt at their peril.

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[Capella]

Let's see what we've got for an opening-day batting order:OF Tim RainesSS Alan Trammell3B George BrettOF Stan Musial1B Eddie MurrayOF Sammy Sosa2B Ryne SandbergC Ernie LombardiSP Warren SpahnDespite some of the misgivings I have about guys I missed, I like that lineup a lot.Anxious to go to battle :gang:.

3B Pete Rose2B Tony LazzeriCF Willie Mays1B Willie McCoveyRF Roberto ClementeLF Willie StargellC Johnny BenchSS Luis AparicioP Randy JohnsonI like that too..good teams here.

 

[Bogart]

My surprises:Billy Hamilton - Now we are really talking knowing your baseball. I thought I could get him at least 2-3 rounds later.

Thanks. Billy has become one of a handful of players that I have discovered in the last two years and obsess about reading and learning about. With Henderson being my favorite player to watch growing up, Hamilton appeals to me alot. He is Henderson with a little less power, but with better average, OBP, and defense. Plus his defensive range is legendary. Would have loved to have seen him play.

 

[Nipsey]

Sweet pic of Manny

I was all set to criticize you for not having a wad of chew in his cheek, but there you go.. already got it.

It's a pretty cool shot. It's from 2002, taken at Edison Field..

 

[UCONN]

Jim Kaat SP....kind of a rushed pick. He's a fairly recent lefty that is high on my board and I'd like a lefty. Some HOF'ers and such still available from way back, but I'm goin' for the modern pitchin'. Flame away. Will get a list to Cappy.

One of the few pitchers fairly well known for his fielding. 16 consecutive Gold Gloves (1962-1977).Your opponents (Spock?) will bunt at their peril.

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Sent you a short list that should get through my next pick. Feel free to send it to anyone that doesn't pick between now and then if you're gonna be gone. Gonna be pretty erratic as far as getting on her today so if it gets all the way back around sorry guys, will do my best. Back to the regular schedule tomm.

 

[Funkley]

OF Cobb .3832B Alomar .323OF Walker .3501B Foxx .334OF Goslin .3083B Killebrew .288SS Cronin .308C Fisk .238 SP Marichal 2.13

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

"Rickey is the best." - Rickey Henderson.

Rickey calling Kevin Towers (Padres GM) during Spring Training to express interest in playing for the Padres in 2003 (I think - may have been 2002):"Mr. Towers, this Rickey, calling on behalf of Rickey. Rickey wants to play ball."

 

[Sammy3469]

Since we're posting line-ups:2B: CarewOF: DelahantyOF: Williams3B: MathewsSS: Banks1B: BrouthersC: CampanellaOF: AverillSP: Niekro

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Something I learned about OOTP 6 is that this version uses a DIPS engine. Pretty damn cool in theory. Can't wait to see how it plays out.You can also set it up to use the standard engine from previous versions as well.

 

[Doug B]

-- I was surprised to see Rickey Henderson go at 23rd overall. I was thinking of him as a third- or fourth-rounder.

I knew I wanted to build a team around Henderson and Hamilton at the top of my lineup. I knew Hamilton would slide (pun intended) but wasnt sure about Henderson. I think when you put together everything Henderson can do for your team (OBP, Walks, SBs, some power, good defense, Runs Scored), he went where he should have and maybe a little late.There is no way he is a fourth rounder.

Yeah, in hindsight, he's not a fourth-rounder. True. But I was expecting him to last, because I thought the first few rounds would be power hitters & pitchers.The number of old-school table-setting batters that went early threw me a bit, as well. Now, I know.

 

[Koya]

When we are done with the draft, I will post our rosters on the baseball message board I have checked out a bit. There are a lot of big time baseball affecianados over there (the kind that actually knows who Arky Vaughn is) and it will be interesting to see their comments/votes compared to FFA.They also have some great lists/polls of the top 30+ players and another for pitchers, plus past polls on their best players by position.

Don't do it. You'll only get upset....

If you are around, I will get upset regardless.

 

[Drifter]

This 10th rd has already had some of my favorites from when I was a kid... Goose, Big Dave, Tiant...

 

[Koya]

My surprises:Billy Hamilton - Now we are really talking knowing your baseball. I thought I could get him at least 2-3 rounds later.

Thanks. Billy has become one of a handful of players that I have discovered in the last two years and obsess about reading and learning about. With Henderson being my favorite player to watch growing up, Hamilton appeals to me alot. He is Henderson with a little less power, but with better average, OBP, and defense. Plus his defensive range is legendary. Would have loved to have seen him play.

I am consulting a friend of mine for some input, and he mentioned Hamilton pretty early on. I was like... he already went.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

-- I was surprised to see Rickey Henderson go at 23rd overall. I was thinking of him as a third- or fourth-rounder.

I knew I wanted to build a team around Henderson and Hamilton at the top of my lineup. I knew Hamilton would slide (pun intended) but wasnt sure about Henderson. I think when you put together everything Henderson can do for your team (OBP, Walks, SBs, some power, good defense, Runs Scored), he went where he should have and maybe a little late.There is no way he is a fourth rounder.

Yeah, in hindsight, he's not a fourth-rounder. True. But I was expecting him to last, because I thought the first few rounds would be power hitters & pitchers.The number of old-school table-setting batters that went early threw me a bit, as well. Now, I know.

You should have known that only stat nerds would even be doing something like this so OBP would be valued highly. Live and learn.Disclaimer: I'm a stat nerd myself so no offense intended.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO. In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

 

[Nipsey]

When we are done with the draft, I will post our rosters on the baseball message board I have checked out a bit.  There are a lot of big time baseball affecianados over there (the kind that actually knows who Arky Vaughn is) and it will be interesting to see their comments/votes compared to FFA.They also have some great lists/polls of the top 30+ players and another for pitchers, plus past polls on their best players by position.

Don't do it. You'll only get upset....

If you are around, I will get upset regardless.

I'm serious, just trying to help you out. Fine, don't take my advice.

 

[Koya]

This 10th rd has already had some of my favorites from when I was a kid... Goose, Big Dave, Tiant...

Larry and Mharrier have a lot of my childrens favorite players as they grow up.And my children are not born yet. ****** None that I know of. :L J:

 

[Nipsey]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO. In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

 

[Koya]

When we are done with the draft, I will post our rosters on the baseball message board I have checked out a bit.  There are a lot of big time baseball affecianados over there (the kind that actually knows who Arky Vaughn is) and it will be interesting to see their comments/votes compared to FFA.They also have some great lists/polls of the top 30+ players and another for pitchers, plus past polls on their best players by position.

Don't do it. You'll only get upset....

If you are around, I will get upset regardless.

I'm serious, just trying to help you out. Fine, don't take my advice.

why, have you recruited Mr. Ham as your PR firm there, too?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO. In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

No really man, it was a really great move. We were inverted.

 

[Nipsey]

When we are done with the draft, I will post our rosters on the baseball message board I have checked out a bit.  There are a lot of big time baseball affecianados over there (the kind that actually knows who Arky Vaughn is) and it will be interesting to see their comments/votes compared to FFA.They also have some great lists/polls of the top 30+ players and another for pitchers, plus past polls on their best players by position.

Don't do it. You'll only get upset....

If you are around, I will get upset regardless.

I'm serious, just trying to help you out. Fine, don't take my advice.

why, have you recruited Mr. Ham as your PR firm there, too?

Make all the jokes you want, but they'll kill you over there and you won't like it.

 

[Capella]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO. In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

I don't know..I agree stolen bases are overrated, but he was ALWAYS on base, always scored a ton of runs, was above-average or better in the outfield..tough to say that guy is vastly overrated.The guy was on base a total of 5300+ times in his career..that's nuts. If the idea is to get on and make things happen, he was one of the best to ever live.Worked the pitchers down too. Took a lot of walks.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

No really man, it was a really great move. We were inverted.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO.  In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

I don't know..I agree stolen bases are overrated, but he was ALWAYS on base, always scored a ton of runs, was above-average or better in the outfield..tough to say that guy is vastly overrated.The guy was on base a total of 5300+ times in his career..that's nuts. If the idea is to get on and make things happen, he was one of the best to ever live.Worked the pitchers down too. Took a lot of walks.

dude has nearly 11,000 ABs. in terms of run production, he wasn't even close to the elite.

 

[Sammy3469]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO. In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

Well it's not an overvalued tool if your effecient at it (Beltran), but some of the guys taken at the top of the line-up for speed won't be effective in the sim. Expecially since they'll be running on some catchers with some guns.

 

[Nipsey]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO.  In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

No really man, it was a really great move. We were inverted.

Don't tease me.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO. In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

Well it's not an overvalued tool if your effecient at it (Beltran), but some of the guys taken at the top of the line-up for speed won't be effective in the sim. Expecially since they'll be running on some catchers with some guns.

i'm gonna tell everyone to run on piazza. even the biggest leadfoots will have no problem swiping a few bags.

 

[Sammy3469]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO.  In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

Well it's not an overvalued tool if your effecient at it (Beltran), but some of the guys taken at the top of the line-up for speed won't be effective in the sim. Expecially since they'll be running on some catchers with some guns.

i'm gonna tell everyone to run on piazza. even the biggest leadfoots will have no problem swiping a few bags.

clearly

 

[Capella]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO.  In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

I don't know..I agree stolen bases are overrated, but he was ALWAYS on base, always scored a ton of runs, was above-average or better in the outfield..tough to say that guy is vastly overrated.The guy was on base a total of 5300+ times in his career..that's nuts. If the idea is to get on and make things happen, he was one of the best to ever live.Worked the pitchers down too. Took a lot of walks.

dude has nearly 11,000 ABs. in terms of run production, he wasn't even close to the elite.

11,000 career at-bats, was on base 5300+ times..that's third all time, behind only Rose and Cobb..the man got on, it was up to others to bring him home.I don't know how you could look at that number and think that was inefficient.

 

[Doug B]

C Fisk .238

You know ... that's when Fisk was 37 years old. Not only was that season his career high in HRs (37), but also stolen bases (17).Not bad wheels for a 37-year-old career catcher. See if Piazza can throw him out.

 

[Doug B]

Spartans said he makes it online around noon EST, right? He shoufl be on pretty soon.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

OF Cobb .3832B Alomar .323OF Walker .3501B Foxx .334OF Goslin .3083B Killebrew .288SS Cronin .308C Fisk .238 SP Marichal 2.13

Its blasphemy to bat Walker 3rd in this order IMO.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO.  In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

I don't know..I agree stolen bases are overrated, but he was ALWAYS on base, always scored a ton of runs, was above-average or better in the outfield..tough to say that guy is vastly overrated.The guy was on base a total of 5300+ times in his career..that's nuts. If the idea is to get on and make things happen, he was one of the best to ever live.Worked the pitchers down too. Took a lot of walks.

dude has nearly 11,000 ABs. in terms of run production, he wasn't even close to the elite.

11,000 career at-bats, was on base 5300+ times..that's third all time, behind only Rose and Cobb..the man got on, it was up to others to bring him home.I don't know how you could look at that number and think that was inefficient.

raw numbers (i.e., career totals) are one thing.. longevity skews his impact. his career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

 

[Doug B]

Last two rounds for Spartans:10 145 Larryboy OF Dave Winfield10 146 Spartans OF Minnie Minose10 147 UCONN RP Goose Gossage10 148 Kraft SS Maury Wills10 149 funkley SP Luis Tiant10 150 Koya OF Joe Medwick10 151 bogart 1B Bill Terry10 152 Doug B SP Curt Schilling10 153 Harrier SP Chief Bender10 154 Pickles 3B Tony Perez10 155 Sammy3469 SP Burleigh Grimes10 156 Nipsey OF Manny Ramirez10 157 Capella 2B Tony Lazzeri10 158 lastresort OF Albert Belle10 159 Spock C Ted Simmons10 160 pumpnick SS Hughie Jennings11 161 pumpnick SP Stan Koveleski11 162 Spock 3B John McGraw11 163 lastresort SP Sam McDowell11 164 Capella SP Early Wynn11 165 Nipsey 3B Jim Thome11 166 Sammy3469 OF Earl Averill11 167 Pickles OF Gary Sheffield11 168 Harrier 3B Bill Joyce11 169 Doug B C Ernie Lombardi11 170 bogart 1B Rafael Palmeiro11 171 Koya 2B Nellie Fox11 172 funkley OF Larry Walker11 173 Kraft SP Joe McGinnity11 174 UCONN SP Jim Kaat11 175 Spartans 11 176 Larryboy

 

[Funkley]

OF Cobb .3832B Alomar .323OF Walker .3501B Foxx .334OF Goslin .3083B Killebrew .288SS Cronin .308C Fisk .238 SP Marichal 2.13

Its blasphemy to bat Walker 3rd in this order IMO.

.350 BA .455 OB .662 SLGHe'll either knock in Cobb/Alomar or will always be on base for Foxx. Trying to go L,R,L,R in the middle to get them from being easy to pitch around.

 

[Capella]

OF Cobb  .3832B Alomar  .323OF Walker  .3501B Foxx  .334OF Goslin  .3083B Killebrew  .288SS Cronin  .308C  Fisk .238  SP Marichal  2.13

Its blasphemy to bat Walker 3rd in this order IMO.

.350 BA .455 OB .662 SLGHe'll either knock in Cobb/Alomar or will always be on base for Foxx. Trying to go L,R,L,R in the middle to get them from being easy to pitch around.

well, he won't be hitting in Coors or facing Brian Lawrence, for starters..

 

[Doug B]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.