***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[Funkley]

OF Cobb  .3832B Alomar  .323OF Walker  .3501B Foxx  .334OF Goslin  .3083B Killebrew  .288SS Cronin  .308C   Fisk .238  SP Marichal  2.13

Its blasphemy to bat Walker 3rd in this order IMO.

.350 BA .455 OB .662 SLGHe'll either knock in Cobb/Alomar or will always be on base for Foxx. Trying to go L,R,L,R in the middle to get them from being easy to pitch around.

well, he won't be hitting in Coors or facing Brian Lawrence, for starters..

True. But if I was going to start pretending that he's really a .280 hitter with 25 home run power I wouldn't have drafted him.

 

[Capella]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO.  In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

I don't know..I agree stolen bases are overrated, but he was ALWAYS on base, always scored a ton of runs, was above-average or better in the outfield..tough to say that guy is vastly overrated.The guy was on base a total of 5300+ times in his career..that's nuts. If the idea is to get on and make things happen, he was one of the best to ever live.Worked the pitchers down too. Took a lot of walks.

dude has nearly 11,000 ABs. in terms of run production, he wasn't even close to the elite.

well, I disagree..you look at it as runs/per plate appearance..I look at just the pure amount of times he got on base and got across the plate.he's the all-time leader in runs scored..could he have had more? sure..but he was in the top-5 of that category 11 times..he was crossing the plate a lot.plus, I do agree steals are overrated, but there's been many a pitcher that commented how ricky changed the game for them, when he got on..now, your focus had to be on him at first, if he was going to take off, etc..very disruptive influence. That all said, I would like to see some numbers though..in '82 when he stole 130, he got caught 42 times..I wonder how many of those 130 steals led to runs, and out of those runs, how many wouldn't have been scored if he didn't steal the base?Considering he created 42 outs that they wouldn't have had anyways, I doubt he created more runs with his steals. If that makes any sense.

 

[Doug B]

Let's see what we've got for an opening-day batting order:

Funkley reminded me -- I forgot to give R-L-S info for my hitting order:OF Tim Raines

SS Alan Trammell [R]

3B George Brett [L]

OF Stan Musial [L]

1B Eddie Murray

OF Sammy Sosa [R]

2B Ryne Sandberg [R]

C Ernie Lombardi [R]

SP Warren Spahn [L] ... hit .333 in 1958 , .194 for career :( .

.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

OF Cobb  .3832B Alomar  .323OF Walker  .3501B Foxx  .334OF Goslin  .3083B Killebrew  .288SS Cronin  .308C   Fisk .238  SP Marichal  2.13

Its blasphemy to bat Walker 3rd in this order IMO.

.350 BA .455 OB .662 SLGHe'll either knock in Cobb/Alomar or will always be on base for Foxx. Trying to go L,R,L,R in the middle to get them from being easy to pitch around.

well, he won't be hitting in Coors or facing Brian Lawrence, for starters..

True. But if I was going to start pretending that he's really a .280 hitter with 25 home run power I wouldn't have drafted him.

Don't get me wrong, I like Walker. I'd just feel a lot better if he was hitting 5th or 6th on that team.I see what you're trying to do with the L/R splits though.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.

Not sure about that. Rickey led the league in OBP one time in his career. I think part of his walk rate had to do with his compact stance.Regardless, his run production numbers aren't elite IMO. As I articulated in my debate with SaveFerrisB some time ago (lineup card), I think the leadoff hitter is kind of an odd concoction. Setting your lineup with the first inning in mind is sort of artificial. Ferris had Rickey hitting leadoff (his choice of best active player at LF for his lineup card) but I argued that Barry was a better choice on every possible level even if he didn't fit the traditional mold of a leadoff guy. There are some things in baseball that don't make a ton of sense, and having a leadoff guy is one of them. Totally artificial concept. If a guy has power, for some reason he's not fit to lead off. Never understood that.

 

[10993]

As much fun as we have picking on Larry for his current player bias...Harrier isn't far behind with this group...Bags, Chipper, Piazza, and Bonds

yup..he's probably been the worst at it actually.

I have more than enough old players. Just because you are blinded by current-player bias and sad that your team doesn't stack up...

 

[Mr. Pickles]

As much fun as we have picking on Larry for his current player bias...Harrier isn't far behind with this group...Bags, Chipper, Piazza, and Bonds

yup..he's probably been the worst at it actually.

I have more than enough old players. Just because you are blinded by current-player bias and sad that your team doesn't stack up...

I'm with ya, harrier.. :fistpump:

 

[Drifter]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability  to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.

Not sure about that. Rickey led the league in OBP one time in his career. I think part of his walk rate had to do with his compact stance.Regardless, his run production numbers aren't elite IMO. As I articulated in my debate with SaveFerrisB some time ago (lineup card), I think the leadoff hitter is kind of an odd concoction. Setting your lineup with the first inning in mind is sort of artificial. Ferris had Rickey hitting leadoff (his choice of best active player at LF for his lineup card) but I argued that Barry was a better choice on every possible level even if he didn't fit the traditional mold of a leadoff guy. There are some things in baseball that don't make a ton of sense, and having a leadoff guy is one of them. Totally artificial concept. If a guy has power, for some reason he's not fit to lead off. Never understood that.

Regarding the power concept, it's a bad idea because you typically put your worst hitters at the bottom of the lineup (including the pitcher at the 9 spot). Having your power guy come to the plate with no one on base isn't a good strategy.Likewise having a speed guy get on base behind a slow power guy so that he can't steal or grab that extra base on a single is also a bad idea.

 

[Funkley]

OF Cobb  .3832B Alomar  .323OF Walker  .3501B Foxx  .334OF Goslin  .3083B Killebrew  .288SS Cronin  .308C   Fisk .238  SP Marichal  2.13

Its blasphemy to bat Walker 3rd in this order IMO.

.350 BA .455 OB .662 SLGHe'll either knock in Cobb/Alomar or will always be on base for Foxx. Trying to go L,R,L,R in the middle to get them from being easy to pitch around.

well, he won't be hitting in Coors or facing Brian Lawrence, for starters..

True. But if I was going to start pretending that he's really a .280 hitter with 25 home run power I wouldn't have drafted him.

Don't get me wrong, I like Walker. I'd just feel a lot better if he was hitting 5th or 6th on that team.I see what you're trying to do with the L/R splits though.

I'm open to swapping him with Goslin. That was the only question I had. Everyone else was pretty easy to plug in.If Walker ends up being too average in the sim compared to his Coors numbers he'll be easily replaced. A lot of good OF's won't even get drafted.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability  to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.

Not sure about that. Rickey led the league in OBP one time in his career. I think part of his walk rate had to do with his compact stance.Regardless, his run production numbers aren't elite IMO. As I articulated in my debate with SaveFerrisB some time ago (lineup card), I think the leadoff hitter is kind of an odd concoction. Setting your lineup with the first inning in mind is sort of artificial. Ferris had Rickey hitting leadoff (his choice of best active player at LF for his lineup card) but I argued that Barry was a better choice on every possible level even if he didn't fit the traditional mold of a leadoff guy. There are some things in baseball that don't make a ton of sense, and having a leadoff guy is one of them. Totally artificial concept. If a guy has power, for some reason he's not fit to lead off. Never understood that.

Regarding the power concept, it's a bad idea because you typically put your worst hitters at the bottom of the lineup (including the pitcher at the 9 spot). Having your power guy come to the plate with no one on base isn't a good strategy.Likewise having a speed guy get on base behind a slow power guy so that he can't steal or grab that extra base on a single is also a bad idea.

I suppose I should explain the lineup card debate.I know that Bonds would be better suited as a cleanup guy. That's obvious. However, if you have a team already loaded with power, why not throw a guy like Barry at lead off? His career OBP is much better than Rickey's. Ferris argued that Rickey would be a better choice than Bonds at leadoff (leaving Barry off the team altogether, which is absolutely insane). Rickey fit a role, but Bonds would have filled it better.

 

[10993]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO. In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

Well it's not an overvalued tool if your effecient at it (Beltran), but some of the guys taken at the top of the line-up for speed won't be effective in the sim. Expecially since they'll be running on some catchers with some guns.

i'm gonna tell everyone to run on piazza. even the biggest leadfoots will have no problem swiping a few bags.

Let's see how that works out for you. The sim rates him high defensively. I'm not worried.

 

[Koya]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.

Today you might see the same OB, maybe a little lower. Why? Rickey says Rickey could become a 40-40 guy... maybe 50-50, in todays game.

 

[Funkley]

Question for everyone - I am trying to find out more information on Joe Medwick's defense, and other nuances in his game.

"Medwick was known for having an excellent first step which made up for his average speed. Showed tremendous instincts for taking the correct route for running down line drives into the gap. An above average arm but extremely accurate he could routinely cut down runners at 3rd base. Overall, Medwick is the best homosexual, cross-dressing outfielder in the history of Major League Baseball."

BTW- Copyright Funkley.

 

[Funkley]

Question for everyone - I am trying to find out more information on Joe Medwick's defense, and other nuances in his game.

"Medwick was known for having an excellent first step which made up for his average speed. Showed tremendous instincts for taking the correct route for running down line drives into the gap. An above average arm but extremely accurate he could routinely cut down runners at 3rd base. Overall, Medwick is the best homosexual, cross-dressing outfielder in the history of Major League Baseball."

That is great info (and I wish I knew where you got it! abstract?)

"Medwick was an amazingly intelligent player despite having ridden the short bus to school as a child. A lesser known fact about Medwick is that he slept in the same bed with his parents until he was 21."

Copyright Funkley

 

[Capella]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability  to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.

Not sure about that. Rickey led the league in OBP one time in his career. I think part of his walk rate had to do with his compact stance.Regardless, his run production numbers aren't elite IMO. As I articulated in my debate with SaveFerrisB some time ago (lineup card), I think the leadoff hitter is kind of an odd concoction. Setting your lineup with the first inning in mind is sort of artificial. Ferris had Rickey hitting leadoff (his choice of best active player at LF for his lineup card) but I argued that Barry was a better choice on every possible level even if he didn't fit the traditional mold of a leadoff guy. There are some things in baseball that don't make a ton of sense, and having a leadoff guy is one of them. Totally artificial concept. If a guy has power, for some reason he's not fit to lead off. Never understood that.

I'm not arguing any of this..I have Pete Rose hitting leadoff for me..the whole idea of a leadoff hitter is stupid, when he actually does that once, MAYBE twice a game. I never got it actually. For me, it's right up there with some managers not bringing the closer in, in the 7th or 8th inning when trouble strikes.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO.  In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

Well it's not an overvalued tool if your effecient at it (Beltran), but some of the guys taken at the top of the line-up for speed won't be effective in the sim. Expecially since they'll be running on some catchers with some guns.

i'm gonna tell everyone to run on piazza. even the biggest leadfoots will have no problem swiping a few bags.

Let's see how that works out for you. The sim rates him high defensively. I'm not worried.

did you check the limp-wristed girl arm category? better check again.

 

[10993]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO. In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

Well it's not an overvalued tool if your effecient at it (Beltran), but some of the guys taken at the top of the line-up for speed won't be effective in the sim. Expecially since they'll be running on some catchers with some guns.

i'm gonna tell everyone to run on piazza. even the biggest leadfoots will have no problem swiping a few bags.

Let's see how that works out for you. The sim rates him high defensively. I'm not worried.

did you check the limp-wristed girl arm category? better check again.

It says F-. What does that mean?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Rickey is vastly overrated, IMO.  In fact, the stolen base as an offensive tool is overrated.

Well it's not an overvalued tool if your effecient at it (Beltran), but some of the guys taken at the top of the line-up for speed won't be effective in the sim. Expecially since they'll be running on some catchers with some guns.

i'm gonna tell everyone to run on piazza. even the biggest leadfoots will have no problem swiping a few bags.

Let's see how that works out for you. The sim rates him high defensively. I'm not worried.

did you check the limp-wristed girl arm category? better check again.

It says F-. What does that mean?

it means don't drop the soap.

 

[Doug B]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability  to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.

Not sure about that. Rickey led the league in OBP one time in his career.

Now give us the rest of the story ... that Henderson was top-3 in his league in OB% nine times, and top-5 twelve times.

There are some things in baseball that don't make a ton of sense, and having a leadoff guy is one of them. Totally artificial concept. If a guy has power, for some reason he's not fit to lead off. Never understood that.

Funny you should say that. Longtime Angels manager Gene Mauch once said "What's wrong with leading off with a home run?" For a few years, his Angels team had an non-traditional batting lineup that I'd like to post more about after more guys have been drafted.

 

[Koya]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability  to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.

Not sure about that. Rickey led the league in OBP one time in his career. I think part of his walk rate had to do with his compact stance.Regardless, his run production numbers aren't elite IMO. As I articulated in my debate with SaveFerrisB some time ago (lineup card), I think the leadoff hitter is kind of an odd concoction. Setting your lineup with the first inning in mind is sort of artificial. Ferris had Rickey hitting leadoff (his choice of best active player at LF for his lineup card) but I argued that Barry was a better choice on every possible level even if he didn't fit the traditional mold of a leadoff guy. There are some things in baseball that don't make a ton of sense, and having a leadoff guy is one of them. Totally artificial concept. If a guy has power, for some reason he's not fit to lead off. Never understood that.

I'm not arguing any of this..I have Pete Rose hitting leadoff for me..the whole idea of a leadoff hitter is stupid, when he actually does that once, MAYBE twice a game. I never got it actually. For me, it's right up there with some managers not bringing the closer in, in the 7th or 8th inning when trouble strikes.

Cap - when dealing with a non DH lineup, the leadoff position plays a FAR more important role. You have a much better chance for an inning to either start at the top of the order (picther being a near auto out most of the time), or for the #8 man to get out, leaving the leadoff as the #2 hitter in an inning, usually with one out, no one on.In this case, turning around the order plays a FAR more important role. You may want an 8 guy who can hit doubles to clear bases before the pitcher gets up, or an 8 guy with wheels so he can get on, get sac'd over by the pitcher.,.. the you need a top of the order guy to keep things going.The DH ####ed EVERthing up. God I hate it. It is not real basebal.

 

[Koya]

Question for everyone - I am trying to find out more information on Joe Medwick's defense, and other nuances in his game.

"Medwick was known for having an excellent first step which made up for his average speed. Showed tremendous instincts for taking the correct route for running down line drives into the gap. An above average arm but extremely accurate he could routinely cut down runners at 3rd base. Overall, Medwick is the best homosexual, cross-dressing outfielder in the history of Major League Baseball."

That is great info (and I wish I knew where you got it! abstract?)

"Medwick was an amazingly intelligent player despite having ridden the short bus to school as a child. A lesser known fact about Medwick is that he slept in the same bed with his parents until he was 21."

Copyright Funkley

Apparantly James makes far crazier assertions. RuthBondsBagwellCobb

 

[10993]

Question for everyone - I am trying to find out more information on Joe Medwick's defense, and other nuances in his game.

"Medwick was known for having an excellent first step which made up for his average speed. Showed tremendous instincts for taking the correct route for running down line drives into the gap. An above average arm but extremely accurate he could routinely cut down runners at 3rd base. Overall, Medwick is the best homosexual, cross-dressing outfielder in the history of Major League Baseball."

That is great info (and I wish I knew where you got it! abstract?)

"Medwick was an amazingly intelligent player despite having ridden the short bus to school as a child. A lesser known fact about Medwick is that he slept in the same bed with his parents until he was 21."

Copyright Funkley

Apparantly James makes far crazier assertions. RuthBondsBagwellCobb

What assertions about those four players?

 

[Doug B]

When dealing with a non DH lineup, the leadoff position plays a FAR more important role ... The DH ####ed EVERthing up. God I hate it. It is not real baseball.

Come to think of it ... the use of the DH was what certainly allowed Mauch to experiment with his batting orders.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Ferris argued that Rickey would be a better choice than Bonds at leadoff (leaving Barry off the team altogether, which is absolutely insane). Rickey fit a role, but Bonds would have filled it better.

Bonds is a different animal though. He's better than any alternative in ANY spot in the lineup.

 

[Drifter]

(Henderson's) career OBP is .401, which is very good (hardly elite), but when you pair ability  to get on base with his silly speed, you'd expect him to score a LOT more runs than he did.. even if those numbers were already ridiculous.

Consider his era. The all-time career OB% list is absent of almost anyone from the 70s & 80s. Rickey was the top OB% guy among his peers for a pretty long time.Let him play in the 20s or today? You'd see some .450 OB% seasons.

Not sure about that. Rickey led the league in OBP one time in his career. I think part of his walk rate had to do with his compact stance.Regardless, his run production numbers aren't elite IMO. As I articulated in my debate with SaveFerrisB some time ago (lineup card), I think the leadoff hitter is kind of an odd concoction. Setting your lineup with the first inning in mind is sort of artificial. Ferris had Rickey hitting leadoff (his choice of best active player at LF for his lineup card) but I argued that Barry was a better choice on every possible level even if he didn't fit the traditional mold of a leadoff guy. There are some things in baseball that don't make a ton of sense, and having a leadoff guy is one of them. Totally artificial concept. If a guy has power, for some reason he's not fit to lead off. Never understood that.

Regarding the power concept, it's a bad idea because you typically put your worst hitters at the bottom of the lineup (including the pitcher at the 9 spot). Having your power guy come to the plate with no one on base isn't a good strategy.Likewise having a speed guy get on base behind a slow power guy so that he can't steal or grab that extra base on a single is also a bad idea.

I suppose I should explain the lineup card debate.I know that Bonds would be better suited as a cleanup guy. That's obvious. However, if you have a team already loaded with power, why not throw a guy like Barry at lead off? His career OBP is much better than Rickey's. Ferris argued that Rickey would be a better choice than Bonds at leadoff (leaving Barry off the team altogether, which is absolutely insane). Rickey fit a role, but Bonds would have filled it better.

A big reason for Bonds' OBP was that he's hit in the 3 or 4 spot most of his career. If he lead off for other power hitters that would be significantly lower. Henderson got walks because of his eye and his stance... Bonds gets a ton of walks because of his lineup position.Of course the WhatIf Sim won't make that distinction.

 

[Koya]

When dealing with a non DH lineup, the leadoff position plays a FAR more important role ... The DH ####ed EVERthing up. God I hate it. It is not real baseball.

Come to think of it ... the use of the DH was what certainly allowed Mauch to experiment with his batting orders.

It is easy to experiement when you have no defined "start" and "end"As I noted, the pitcher hitting changes everything.You want to go Bonds at the top, thats great. Except he will hit a lot of home runs with no one on base. imo

 

[Koya]

Apparantly James makes far crazier assertions.

Ruth

Bonds

Bagwell

Cobb

What assertions about those four players?

Apparantly he has Bags (or once did) rated in the top 10, or maybe even the top 5.

Of the four listed, I would say one doesnt belong.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Ferris argued that Rickey would be a better choice than Bonds at leadoff (leaving Barry off the team altogether, which is absolutely insane). Rickey fit a role, but Bonds would have filled it better.

Bonds is a different animal though. He's better than any alternative in ANY spot in the lineup.

That was the point.

 

[10993]

Apparantly James makes far crazier assertions.

Ruth

Bonds

Bagwell

Cobb

What assertions about those four players?

Apparantly he has Bags (or once did) rated in the top 10, or maybe even the top 5.

Of the four listed, I would say one doesnt belong.

Oh, Bags is definitely in the top 5. That's why I got him. Have you not read James, or do you just not understand him?

 

[Funkley]

When dealing with a non DH lineup, the leadoff position plays a FAR more important role ... The DH ####ed EVERthing up.  God I hate it.  It is not real baseball.

Come to think of it ... the use of the DH was what certainly allowed Mauch to experiment with his batting orders.

It is easy to experiement when you have no defined "start" and "end"As I noted, the pitcher hitting changes everything.You want to go Bonds at the top, thats great. Except he will hit a lot of home runs with no one on base. imo

Most of the 8th place hitters in this league will be able to get on much more than the 'usual' 8th guy. Pitchers will be sacrificing a lot in this league so I'd say it's more likely that there will be a guy on 2nd when the leadoff man comes up.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Apparantly James makes far crazier assertions.

Ruth

Bonds

Bagwell

Cobb

What assertions about those four players?

Apparantly he has Bags (or once did) rated in the top 10, or maybe even the top 5.

Of the four listed, I would say one doesnt belong.

I think that was Biggio, not Bags.

 

[10993]

Ferris argued that Rickey would be a better choice than Bonds at leadoff (leaving Barry off the team altogether, which is absolutely insane). Rickey fit a role, but Bonds would have filled it better.

Bonds is a different animal though. He's better than any alternative in ANY spot in the lineup.

That was the point.

FWIW, I'll be hitting him 3 or 4

 

[Mr. Pickles]

A big reason for Bonds' OBP was that he's hit in the 3 or 4 spot most of his career. If he lead off for other power hitters that would be significantly lower. Henderson got walks because of his eye and his stance... Bonds gets a ton of walks because of his lineup position.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with this.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Ferris argued that Rickey would be a better choice than Bonds at leadoff (leaving Barry off the team altogether, which is absolutely insane).  Rickey fit a role, but Bonds would have filled it better.

Bonds is a different animal though. He's better than any alternative in ANY spot in the lineup.

That was the point.

Well, then I agree with you.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

A big reason for Bonds' OBP was that he's hit in the 3 or 4 spot most of his career. If he lead off for other power hitters that would be significantly lower. Henderson got walks because of his eye and his stance... Bonds gets a ton of walks because of his lineup position.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with this.

Ditto. Has nothing to do with it.

 

[10993]

Apparantly James makes far crazier assertions.

Ruth

Bonds

Bagwell

Cobb

What assertions about those four players?

Apparantly he has Bags (or once did) rated in the top 10, or maybe even the top 5.

Of the four listed, I would say one doesnt belong.

Oh, Bags is definitely in the top 5. That's why I got him. Have you not read James, or do you just not understand him?

Just messing with you, by the way. And yeah, he has Bonds crazy low, like 16 or so. Bags he has at #45, which is about right.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

When dealing with a non DH lineup, the leadoff position plays a FAR more important role ... The DH ####ed EVERthing up.  God I hate it.  It is not real baseball.

Come to think of it ... the use of the DH was what certainly allowed Mauch to experiment with his batting orders.

It is easy to experiement when you have no defined "start" and "end"As I noted, the pitcher hitting changes everything.You want to go Bonds at the top, thats great. Except he will hit a lot of home runs with no one on base. imo

You're missing the point.I would never prefer to put Bonds at leadoff. No one would. However, given the restriction that you must either have Rickey or Bonds leading off (if one doesn't lead off, he's not on the team at all), I'd pick Bonds 100 times out of 100.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Just messing with you, by the way. And yeah, he has Bonds crazy low, like 16 or so. Bags he has at #45, which is about right.

I thought so. I'm pretty sure he used to have Biggo way up there though.

 

[10993]

Who are we waiting on?

 

[Doug B]

A big reason for Bonds' OBP was that he's hit in the 3 or 4 spot most of his career. If he lead off for other power hitters that would be significantly lower. Henderson got walks because of his eye and his stance... Bonds gets a ton of walks because of his lineup position.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with this.

Speaking only of his last 4 seasons -- Bonds OB% is definitely a product of getting pitched around so much.He obviously has a great batting eye, too (much like Frank Thomas )...BTW, all -- it was I who, way back when, compared Frank Thomas's batting eye (read: patience, nice K/BB ratio) to Bonds's batting eye. No further comparisons between the two were implied. It looked like Larryboy took a lot of heat for making the comparison between both men's overall batting ability, but I think my quote may have been a springboard for that..

 

[Funkley]

Who are we waiting on?

Spartans - OTCLarry Boy on deck for two

 

[Doug B]

Who are we waiting on?

SpartansRulesI have UCONN's next pick. Once Spartans arrives, everyone from the current pick through Sammy at 12.11 will be on the thread.

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[Kraft...]

LineupGeorge Sisler(L) 1BPaul Molitor® 2BJoe DiMaggio® CFHank Aaron® LFAl Kaline(L) RFBrooks Robinson® 3B?Maury Wills(S) SSPitcherI like Wills' speed at the 8 spot, pithcers can bunt him over and let Sisler knock him in.

 

[Kraft...]

Who are we waiting on?

SpartansRules.

Didn't he send someone a list last night?

 

[10993]

Who are we waiting on?

SpartansRules.

Didn't he send someone a list last night?

Yeah he said something about he'll have to do his list again and send it to Cappy.

 

[Nipsey]

Who are we waiting on?

SpartansRules.

Didn't he send someone a list last night?

Yes, I have it...is he up?

 

[10993]

Don't think UCONN is going to be around tonight so I'm going to bed. Will send Capella my list for the morning as usual.So close every night, and yet so far away...

can't get on at all during the day?

Not until around 1 PM Eastern.

bump

 

[Koya]

Apparantly James makes far crazier assertions.

Ruth

Bonds

Bagwell

Cobb

What assertions about those four players?

Apparantly he has Bags (or once did) rated in the top 10, or maybe even the top 5.

Of the four listed, I would say one doesnt belong.

I think that was Biggio, not Bags.

Thats about the 5th time ive been wrong in this thread.

(excluding my picks, which I am sure Nips' thinks are all wrong).

 

[Doug B]

Don't think UCONN is going to be around tonight so I'm going to bed. Will send Capella my list for the morning as usual.

So close every night, and yet so far away...

Hmmm ... looks like it. Capella isn't on right now, though.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

A big reason for Bonds' OBP was that he's hit in the 3 or 4 spot most of his career.  If he lead off for other power hitters that would be significantly lower.  Henderson got walks because of his eye and his stance... Bonds gets a ton of walks because of his lineup position.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with this.

Speaking only of his last 4 seasons -- Bonds OB% is definitely a product of getting pitched around so much.He obviously has a great batting eye, too (much like Frank Thomas )...BTW, all -- it was I who, way back when, compared Frank Thomas's batting eye (read: patience, nice K/BB ratio) to Bonds's batting eye. No further comparisons between the two were implied. It looked like Larryboy took a lot of heat for making the comparison between both men's overall batting ability, but I think my quote may have been a springboard for that..

He had a .456 OBP in 1992 for god sakes. His OBP last year was an absolutely unbelievable .609. Bonds' good year is better than Rickey's best year, and this was way before the big time power showed up. Barry's best is better than anyone ever. This isn't a recent occurrence.