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:rotflmao: at any spot we could all probably justify 20-25 players.... lolthis is insane... :rotflmao: I have to say, though, baseball's numbers transcend time MUCH better than Basketball...a CF from 1910 could still play modern baseball at CF...a C from 1950 has NO chance to be a C in the modern NBA, they're about 6 inches (at least) too short...you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
Were on day two of one round. A 25 man roster will take two months.
I plan on it...where is Spartans anyways?
It's more than just VBD. Unlike fantasy football where my choosing a running back has no affect on your choice of a quarterback, my pitchers will effect your hitters and vice versa. Now one might assume that it is impossible to really know how a pitcher from 1920 will affect a hitter from 1980, which I agree with. But we do know that most left handed batters hit better against right handed pitchers, and most most right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers. Now in any given season in the majors roughly two-thirds of the batters are right handed, and roughly one-third are left handed (with a few scattered switch hitters here and there). However, when creating teams based on all time greats, will this be the case as well? Not in my opinion. I have found in the times that I have done this type of thing before that more than 40% of the batters chosen are left handed. I have also seen the result that left handed pitchers (like Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove) do better than expected and right handers like (Walter Johnson and Cy Young) don't do as well as expected. This makes logical sense as the left handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage only 33% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage more than 40% of the time. As well the right handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage some 67% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage less than 60% of the time.Left handed pitchers are the "running backs" of this type of league.you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
In some drafts I've run elsewhere, we had a two-fold process to help ensure a quick pace:1) Everyone who signed up needed to indicate whether or not they visited the forum consistently during business hours. Those that could not post regularly during business hours were strongly encouraged to PM others when their turn neared.2) The time limits varied between business hours and nights/weekends. One way was like so:7 a.m. - 5 p.m. Central -- 4-hour time limitAll other times -- 8-hour time limit3) We we pretty strict about skipping drafters. You might expect that the shorter limits would leads to lots of skipping, but actually skipping wasn't all that frequent. When it did happen, the skipped drafter almost always returned to draft after only one or two picks past their slot. Drafters tend to adjust to the time limits, I find.
Good post.It's more than just VBD. Unlike fantasy football where my choosing a running back has no affect on your choice of a quarterback, my pitchers will effect your hitters and vice versa. Now one might assume that it is impossible to really know how a pitcher from 1920 will affect a hitter from 1980, which I agree with. But we do know that most left handed batters hit better against right handed pitchers, and most most right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers. Now in any given season in the majors roughly two-thirds of the batters are right handed, and roughly one-third are left handed (with a few scattered switch hitters here and there). However, when creating teams based on all time greats, will this be the case as well? Not in my opinion. I have found in the times that I have done this type of thing before that more than 40% of the batters chosen are left handed. I have also seen the result that left handed pitchers (like Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove) do better than expected and right handers like (Walter Johnson and Cy Young) don't do as well as expected. This makes logical sense as the left handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage only 33% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage more than 40% of the time. As well the right handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage some 67% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage less than 60% of the time.Left handed pitchers are the "running backs" of this type of league.you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
Man, I wasn't even going to take any pitchers--thanks for retooling my entire strategy for me though. I would have waited until after the draft to post that if I were you.It's more than just VBD. Unlike fantasy football where my choosing a running back has no affect on your choice of a quarterback, my pitchers will effect your hitters and vice versa. Now one might assume that it is impossible to really know how a pitcher from 1920 will affect a hitter from 1980, which I agree with. But we do know that most left handed batters hit better against right handed pitchers, and most most right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers. Now in any given season in the majors roughly two-thirds of the batters are right handed, and roughly one-third are left handed (with a few scattered switch hitters here and there). However, when creating teams based on all time greats, will this be the case as well? Not in my opinion. I have found in the times that I have done this type of thing before that more than 40% of the batters chosen are left handed. I have also seen the result that left handed pitchers (like Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove) do better than expected and right handers like (Walter Johnson and Cy Young) don't do as well as expected. This makes logical sense as the left handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage only 33% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage more than 40% of the time. As well the right handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage some 67% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage less than 60% of the time.Left handed pitchers are the "running backs" of this type of league.you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
It's more than just VBD. Unlike fantasy football where my choosing a running back has no affect on your choice of a quarterback, my pitchers will effect your hitters and vice versa. Now one might assume that it is impossible to really know how a pitcher from 1920 will affect a hitter from 1980, which I agree with. But we do know that most left handed batters hit better against right handed pitchers, and most most right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers. Now in any given season in the majors roughly two-thirds of the batters are right handed, and roughly one-third are left handed (with a few scattered switch hitters here and there). However, when creating teams based on all time greats, will this be the case as well? Not in my opinion. I have found in the times that I have done this type of thing before that more than 40% of the batters chosen are left handed. I have also seen the result that left handed pitchers (like Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove) do better than expected and right handers like (Walter Johnson and Cy Young) don't do as well as expected. This makes logical sense as the left handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage only 33% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage more than 40% of the time. As well the right handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage some 67% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage less than 60% of the time.Left handed pitchers are the "running backs" of this type of league.you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
rumiging through cheetsheet looking for left handed pitchers. . .The Aaron discussion is insane. Hammerin' Hank is justifiable at any 1st round slot -- including 1.01.
The one and only reason I didn't take Aaron at 1.09 was that I felt Griffith Stadium would rob him of some HRs. And still, looking back on it, can I really say that a player with Aaron's tools couldn't succeed anywhere? Perhaps he'd have to rely more on contact than power at home, but wouldn't that have worked, too?
The dude belongs in the first, no question. And he was a huge steal at 1.13.
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UCONN, I knew there was no way, but re: Mantle ...
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edited to add I'm out till 3 or 4 est. Cappy has a list from me that should be enough for my next pick...if it isn't it won't be much of a delay anyway.
I'll take anyone's PMs who needs to have business hours covered. I also typically come on line at least once most evenings (if briefly), and for a short spell Saturday and Sunday mornings.PMing 3 or 4 people is a good idea, too. Cap, shuke, Ferris, etc. People who visit often.
I was going to wait until we were done to explain that for personal reasons obviously. I assumed this draft would be a lot of good analysis about why picks are made, but it turned out to be pages and pages of:"Nipsey is playing Koya"Man, I wasn't even going to take any pitchers--thanks for retooling my entire strategy for me though. I would have waited until after the draft to post that if I were you.It's more than just VBD. Unlike fantasy football where my choosing a running back has no affect on your choice of a quarterback, my pitchers will effect your hitters and vice versa. Now one might assume that it is impossible to really know how a pitcher from 1920 will affect a hitter from 1980, which I agree with. But we do know that most left handed batters hit better against right handed pitchers, and most most right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers. Now in any given season in the majors roughly two-thirds of the batters are right handed, and roughly one-third are left handed (with a few scattered switch hitters here and there). However, when creating teams based on all time greats, will this be the case as well? Not in my opinion. I have found in the times that I have done this type of thing before that more than 40% of the batters chosen are left handed. I have also seen the result that left handed pitchers (like Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove) do better than expected and right handers like (Walter Johnson and Cy Young) don't do as well as expected. This makes logical sense as the left handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage only 33% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage more than 40% of the time. As well the right handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage some 67% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage less than 60% of the time.Left handed pitchers are the "running backs" of this type of league.you guys are doing VBD?
there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
I know... but at that moment I was "having to leave"...but now I can't leave for a few minutes at least, so I am going ot PM him an updated list with a third player... lol
But you could as easily say that Babe Ruth might not hit 350+ going against top pitchers every day either. Thats the fun here.Does anyone know if they have any matchup stats from the old days? Curious to know how Lefty vs. Ruth worked out and the like.I agree stats translate much better . You can even easily guess that a player that had say 10 HRs in the dead ball era would have at least 25 in another era without it becoming a pure guessing game. Especially since this debate has existed since the 30's!That's what I'm thinking.It's not like Walter Johnson is going to go .800 against starting pitcher #64 in this draft. There are plenty enough good players to go around..you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
Jesus, what a little ##### you are!I was going to wait until we were done to explain that for personal reasons obviously. I assumed this draft would be a lot of good analysis about why picks are made, but it turned out to be pages and pages of:"Nipsey is playing Koya"Man, I wasn't even going to take any pitchers--thanks for retooling my entire strategy for me though. I would have waited until after the draft to post that if I were you.It's more than just VBD. Unlike fantasy football where my choosing a running back has no affect on your choice of a quarterback, my pitchers will effect your hitters and vice versa. Now one might assume that it is impossible to really know how a pitcher from 1920 will affect a hitter from 1980, which I agree with. But we do know that most left handed batters hit better against right handed pitchers, and most most right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers. Now in any given season in the majors roughly two-thirds of the batters are right handed, and roughly one-third are left handed (with a few scattered switch hitters here and there). However, when creating teams based on all time greats, will this be the case as well? Not in my opinion. I have found in the times that I have done this type of thing before that more than 40% of the batters chosen are left handed. I have also seen the result that left handed pitchers (like Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove) do better than expected and right handers like (Walter Johnson and Cy Young) don't do as well as expected. This makes logical sense as the left handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage only 33% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage more than 40% of the time. As well the right handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage some 67% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage less than 60% of the time.Left handed pitchers are the "running backs" of this type of league.you guys are doing VBD?
there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
"Who does Koya have?"
"Jesus"
"Wow! Who does Nipsey have?"
"God"
"OUCH!"
If it can bring an end to the umpteen pages of this crap, I'll sacrifice my strategy gladly.
I think very good pitching is deep. As is very good hitting. But the uber elite is a different story. I know Lefty might not resonate as much with voters, but pitching is too valuable a commodity. A batter has 1/9 chances to affect the game, where one pitcher can win a game on his own.I knew this - I wanted at least one uber elite pitcher. Although Cobb was perhaps a "better player" there are so many outfielders that could contribute. One I have in mind that some thought was better than Cobb (not saying I agree) who will probably be there with my next pick.Also, had only Walter Johnson been chosen, I would likely have gone positional... but there really are only a few pitchers that stand in the absolute legend category... there are a couple active guys that might come pretty close, but I wonder about their innings pitched. Some of that is attributable to how the game is played today - but I can think of two top 10 all time pitchers (or close to that) who are still active, that are NOT warriors of the type the old guys were re: ability to pitch complete games if the manager wants them to. Anyways, since 3 other people took pitchers, I felt that maybe the pitching will go when it should... near the top of the draft... and I better get Lefty now. There was no debate for me that Lefty was the #2 pitcher on the board.Maybe it is too much mike and the mad dog reminding me every day that pitching wins championships. usually.
Mays was 1a to Ruth's #1
