Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Mathewson was gonna be my next pick.I've narrowed this one down to two, won't take more than a couple minutes.
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
They aren't automatic 1.1 and 1.2 when you consider the stadiums that were selected. Ruth should drop. Bonds not as much because he still has speed, but overall the parks selected are going to reduce dingers.
Koya
Footballguy
It's more than just VBD. Unlike fantasy football where my choosing a running back has no affect on your choice of a quarterback, my pitchers will effect your hitters and vice versa. Now one might assume that it is impossible to really know how a pitcher from 1920 will affect a hitter from 1980, which I agree with. But we do know that most left handed batters hit better against right handed pitchers, and most most right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers. Now in any given season in the majors roughly two-thirds of the batters are right handed, and roughly one-third are left handed (with a few scattered switch hitters here and there). However, when creating teams based on all time greats, will this be the case as well? Not in my opinion. I have found in the times that I have done this type of thing before that more than 40% of the batters chosen are left handed. I have also seen the result that left handed pitchers (like Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove) do better than expected and right handers like (Walter Johnson and Cy Young) don't do as well as expected. This makes logical sense as the left handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage only 33% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage more than 40% of the time. As well the right handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage some 67% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage less than 60% of the time.Left handed pitchers are the "running backs" of this type of league.you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.
We have finally found out common ground, Mr. Spock.
Koya
Footballguy
I hear Lefty Grove and Koufax are really good.It's more than just VBD. Unlike fantasy football where my choosing a running back has no affect on your choice of a quarterback, my pitchers will effect your hitters and vice versa. Now one might assume that it is impossible to really know how a pitcher from 1920 will affect a hitter from 1980, which I agree with. But we do know that most left handed batters hit better against right handed pitchers, and most most right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers. Now in any given season in the majors roughly two-thirds of the batters are right handed, and roughly one-third are left handed (with a few scattered switch hitters here and there). However, when creating teams based on all time greats, will this be the case as well? Not in my opinion. I have found in the times that I have done this type of thing before that more than 40% of the batters chosen are left handed. I have also seen the result that left handed pitchers (like Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove) do better than expected and right handers like (Walter Johnson and Cy Young) don't do as well as expected. This makes logical sense as the left handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage only 33% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage more than 40% of the time. As well the right handers generated their "real" stats in a league where they had the "batter/pitcher" advantage some 67% of the time and now they are being simulated in a league where they have the "batter/pitcher" advantage less than 60% of the time.Left handed pitchers are the "running backs" of this type of league.you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.rumiging through cheetsheet looking for left handed pitchers. . .
(there are a few, but yes, a top lefty is a valuable commodity. Especially in Ebbets).
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Koya, please #### about Lefty already. Jesus.. defensive much?
Koya
Footballguy
I much prefer good discourse. I am not in this to "win" but to see how things unfold and to see how my end team looks (hopefully better than in the NBA draft, but I was in way over my head there). I valued your input and if someone disagrees that is a good discussion to have. For the record, I only seem to get into the battles with Nips.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
I will take Pedro Martinez.A little hesitant on this pick because he barely qualifies under the rules and there's a lot of time left on his career. But he is the all-time leader in Adjusted ERA by a good margin and has 3 Cy Youngs and 5 ERA titles. Even if his arm fell off tomorrow, he'd still go down as one of the all-time greats.
Koya
Footballguy
I make passing mention of him when someone else brings it up... please deal with that. I was not looking to go into an endless debate, but when someone else brings up false reasoning, I was unable to hold back.From here out, I will do my best to mention when I think logic is flawed, and move on. I get stubborn too.Sometimes.
Koya
Footballguy
I wondered when Pedro would go. No question about his absolute dominance. His adjusted era has a decent chance at staying number one - although I could see him drop #2-5 depending how long he hangs around and how his arm holds up. A few subpar seasons and he might end up down a notch or two. That said, Pedro is awesome. My only concern would be how many innings you can get out of him, but he is a top 10 pitcher according to any set of rules, and arguable top 5. Plus, he is a met. So weird to say.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Pedro's metrics are very very good.. there's not doubt. He probably won't get a lot of love from the masses due to recency. In my opinion, he's not even one of the ten best pitchers available.
Great logic. Seriously--I'm not mocking you--it's a good way to think about it in general. The only problem is that in this case, Ruth and Bonds are SO FAR above any other OF< it's not even close. I know Mays was mentioned, but offensively he wasn't close to these guys. So Wagner is an awesome pick there. I think he should have gone in the top 8. But Ruth and Bonds had to be 1.1 and 1.2
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Koya
Footballguy
DOUBLE damn it. THAT was the guy I thought would still be around.. but I would rather lose out on Tris (even though he was one of the three best outfielders until Mays came along and some wouldnt even push him out for may back in the day) than a top pitcher. Damn though. Great pick. Wont resonate, but great great pick.
I did answer it. Go back and read.The one that a few pages later, you were like "So, are you going to answer?" I already had.some people seem to ignore the fact that eras change though.to say Mays doesn't deserve to be in the running with Bonds is flat-out wrong. but since I'm still waiting for him to answer my latest rounds of aaron stats, I'll leave it at that.
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Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Damn.
Doug B
Footballguy
I consider guys like Walter Johnson (mostly), Cy Young, and Mathewson dead-ball era guys.If you are thinking back to the 1880s or so, there are two problems with over-reliance on those guys, IMHO:1) doubtful that the FFA voters would reward much for those guys, and2) for those interested in the sim: what good is a guy who throws nine innings every night if he's throwing a bunch of 80 mph meatballs all game long?
Capella
Footballguy
is this your answer that you said you gave? you're going to have to do a tad bit better than some broad bull#### like that, if you expect to respect your answer.but let's examine the facts, since you said Mays was better.
Mays v Aaron 1959
BA
Mays- 313
Aaron-355
OBP
M-381
A-401
SLG
M-583
A-636
OPS
M-.964
A-1.037
Runs
M-125
A-116
Hits
M-180
A-223
Total bases
M-335
A-400
Home Runs
M-34
A-39
RBI
M-104
A-123
Outfield assists
M-6
A-12
let's see..that's 9 categories to 1 for Mays. How was he better again that year? I'll give you the walks category, despite Aaron having the better OBP.
you're going to have to do a LOT better than that next time.
this smiley was created just for you in this very situation
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