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Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
I guess you never saw that Mets/Marlins game where they tore off like 13 SBs against him.That guy is a liability behind the plate. It would pain me very much to call him an average defensive catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Pitching run?
Koya
Footballguy
against speed teams Piazza becomes a big liability on defense. Against other teams, he becomes slightly above average .I guess you never saw that Mets/Marlins game where they tore off like 13 SBs against him.That guy is a liability behind the plate. It would pain me very much to call him an average defensive catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Nipsey
Footballguy
If Harrier picked piazza over Bench, he clearly is going for the sim crown. Piazza has gaudy salary numbers over there. Bench stinks over there (in his third year). I see no problem with going for the sim. Piazza and Bonds will be unbeatable on the sim....I guess you never saw that Mets/Marlins game where they tore off like 13 SBs against him.That guy is a liability behind the plate. It would pain me very much to call him an average defensive catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
The sim is just killing this thing. It's bad enough that those who follow the guidelines and ignore it will have to spend two months managing a team that will get clobbered.But now its even killing the discussion, because you can't even talk up players without someone throwing out assinine grades from a system that rates Mike Piazza as a better defensive catcher than Johnny Bench.grades out how? on some sim league or in the realities of baseball? what are your grades. if they are the grades from what if sports, while meaningful in the sim, that is certainly no bible on reality in and of itself. Bench was better and I am a BIG Piazza fan, as a Mets fan.Yeah, but you get Piazza at first base, not at catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I'll take the hall-of-famer that was Sandy Koufax before Koufax was. Only played for a while, but 4th all-time ERA+, behind Pedro, Lefty Grove, and Walter Johnson.
SP Ed Walsh
Ed Walsh used a dominating spitball to average 24 victories a season over a seven-year span (1906-12) for the Chicago White Sox. The right-hander, who twice hurled over 400 frames in a season, is best remembered for his 1908 campaign, when he finished with a 40-15 record, 42 complete games in 49 starts, 464 innings pitched, 11 shutouts, and 269 strikeouts. "Big Ed" finished his career with a 195-126 record.
Did you know ... that Ed Walsh is credited with the lowest career major league ERA of all time (1.82), but this number is unofficial since ERA was not accepted as a statistic by the AL until 1913?
He suffered to tons of losses at the hands of his horrible hitless White Sox, possibly the banner pitcher for the problem of run sppourt, or lack thereof.
SP Ed Walsh
Ed Walsh used a dominating spitball to average 24 victories a season over a seven-year span (1906-12) for the Chicago White Sox. The right-hander, who twice hurled over 400 frames in a season, is best remembered for his 1908 campaign, when he finished with a 40-15 record, 42 complete games in 49 starts, 464 innings pitched, 11 shutouts, and 269 strikeouts. "Big Ed" finished his career with a 195-126 record.
Did you know ... that Ed Walsh is credited with the lowest career major league ERA of all time (1.82), but this number is unofficial since ERA was not accepted as a statistic by the AL until 1913?
He suffered to tons of losses at the hands of his horrible hitless White Sox, possibly the banner pitcher for the problem of run sppourt, or lack thereof.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Ed Walsh probably would have been my pick had I not wanted a lefty so bad.
I think it'll all work out in the end. People who pick based on that sim are gonna be suprised when salary does not necessarily=production based on everything I've heard. I think we'll be alright. Any negatives are gonna be outweighed by the positives of getting to see it play out over the course of a season imo.The sim is just killing this thing. It's bad enough that those who follow the guidelines and ignore it will have to spend two months managing a team that will get clobbered.But now its even killing the discussion, because you can't even talk up players without someone throwing out assinine grades from a system that rates Mike Piazza as a better defensive catcher than Johnny Bench.grades out how? on some sim league or in the realities of baseball? what are your grades. if they are the grades from what if sports, while meaningful in the sim, that is certainly no bible on reality in and of itself. Bench was better and I am a BIG Piazza fan, as a Mets fan.Yeah, but you get Piazza at first base, not at catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
No one said to ignore the sim, they just said not to draft for it. I picked Mordecai Brown, and he's not very highly rated by the sim, especially with regard to the other pitchers that were on the board at the time. But if you don't like your own lot, pick differently. Otherwise, save theThe sim is just killing this thing. It's bad enough that those who follow the guidelines and ignore it will have to spend two months managing a team that will get clobbered.But now its even killing the discussion, because you can't even talk up players without someone throwing out assinine grades from a system that rates Mike Piazza as a better defensive catcher than Johnny Bench.grades out how? on some sim league or in the realities of baseball? what are your grades. if they are the grades from what if sports, while meaningful in the sim, that is certainly no bible on reality in and of itself. Bench was better and I am a BIG Piazza fan, as a Mets fan.Yeah, but you get Piazza at first base, not at catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
for your mother.It's interesting that you find their defensive grades asinine. Would you like to provide grades of your own, if you are qualified to do so? Assuming you aren't, would you like to provide the grades of ELIAS or Stats Inc. or some other reputable source? Please feel free.People are just biased against modern players, that's all. I'm sure when you were a kid, Johnny Bench was the ####, but Mike Piazza is the best catcher that ever played, and there's no two ways about that.The sim is just killing this thing. It's bad enough that those who follow the guidelines and ignore it will have to spend two months managing a team that will get clobbered.But now its even killing the discussion, because you can't even talk up players without someone throwing out assinine grades from a system that rates Mike Piazza as a better defensive catcher than Johnny Bench.grades out how? on some sim league or in the realities of baseball? what are your grades. if they are the grades from what if sports, while meaningful in the sim, that is certainly no bible on reality in and of itself. Bench was better and I am a BIG Piazza fan, as a Mets fan.Yeah, but you get Piazza at first base, not at catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Updated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- SP CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.8 Harrier -- SP Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown3.9 Doug B -- 3B George Brett3.10 bogart -- OF Billy Hamilton3.11 Koya -- SP Tom Seaver3.12 funkley -- 3B Harmon Killebrew3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson3.14 UCONN -- 2B Jackie Robinson3.15 Spartans -- SP Hal Newhouser3.16 LarryBoy -- 1B Frank Thomas4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.02 Spartans -- OF Carl Yastrzemski4.03 UCONN -- SS Arky Vaughan4.04 Kraft -- 1B George Sisler4.05 Funkley -- SP Juan Marichal4.06 Koya -- OF Ken Griffey Jr.4.07 Bogart -- C Mickey Cochrane4.08 Doug B -- OF Tim Raines4.09 Harrier -- C Mike Piazza4.10 Pickles -- C Yogi Berra4.11 Sammy -- 2B Rod Carew4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg4.13 Capella -- OF Roberto Clemente4.14 Lastresort -- 3B Wade Boggs4.15 Spock -- 2B Frankie Frisch4.16 Pumpnick -- OF Duke Snider5.1 pumpnick -- SP Carl Hubbell5.2 Spock -- OF Tony Gwynn5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons 5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford5.8 Harrier -- SP Ed Walsh5.9 Doug B 5.10 bogart 5.11 Koya 5.12 funkley5.13 Kraft5.14 UCONN5.15 Spartans5.16 LarryBoy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I am more suprised that Tim Raines went before Gwynn. Maybe HE had a great third season.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
All about the steals.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Here is a great breakdown of how defensively good Bench was and how bad Piazza was.
higgins
Footballguy
You've pretty much shown me with that statement that you don't know @#$%. I find you amusing.It's interesting that you find their defensive grades asinine. Would you like to provide grades of your own, if you are qualified to do so? Assuming you aren't, would you like to provide the grades of ELIAS or Stats Inc. or some other reputable source? Please feel free.People are just biased against modern players, that's all. I'm sure when you were a kid, Johnny Bench was the ####, but Mike Piazza is the best catcher that ever played, and there's no two ways about that.The sim is just killing this thing. It's bad enough that those who follow the guidelines and ignore it will have to spend two months managing a team that will get clobbered.But now its even killing the discussion, because you can't even talk up players without someone throwing out assinine grades from a system that rates Mike Piazza as a better defensive catcher than Johnny Bench.grades out how? on some sim league or in the realities of baseball? what are your grades. if they are the grades from what if sports, while meaningful in the sim, that is certainly no bible on reality in and of itself. Bench was better and I am a BIG Piazza fan, as a Mets fan.Yeah, but you get Piazza at first base, not at catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Piazza was a DH playing catcher (though steals have a lot to do w/ pitching staffs I don't think many people will ever call Piazza more than a "passable" defensive catcher). Great bat to get in the line-up. I don't know how much teams will run. Will you want to risk an out for a base when you've got Babe Ruth coming up? I could see that pick working, but he was basically off my board due to his defense.
That only has information about catching guys stealing. As many people have pointed out, it's not that hard to run on Piazza. He has a pansy arm. That's only one element of a catcher's defense, though. Athleticism in blocking balls, controlling the plate, range in getting to pop-ups... all of those things are included as well in a catcher's total defensive rating. It's one thing to say that Bench was a lot harder to run on. That's tru.e But if you don't have a lot of speed on your team, I think you'd rather see Bench behind the plate than Piazza.
If you don't understand that statement, you pretty much don't know ####. I find that amusing. Also find it amusing that I'm kicking ### in the draft right now. Sorry, suckers.Edit to add: I don't see anywhere that I said Piazza had a better arm than Bench. Go ahead and find me that if you can. I said he had a better glove, and he did.You've pretty much shown me with that statement that you don't know @#$%. I find you amusing.It's interesting that you find their defensive grades asinine. Would you like to provide grades of your own, if you are qualified to do so? Assuming you aren't, would you like to provide the grades of ELIAS or Stats Inc. or some other reputable source? Please feel free.People are just biased against modern players, that's all. I'm sure when you were a kid, Johnny Bench was the ####, but Mike Piazza is the best catcher that ever played, and there's no two ways about that.The sim is just killing this thing. It's bad enough that those who follow the guidelines and ignore it will have to spend two months managing a team that will get clobbered.But now its even killing the discussion, because you can't even talk up players without someone throwing out assinine grades from a system that rates Mike Piazza as a better defensive catcher than Johnny Bench.grades out how? on some sim league or in the realities of baseball? what are your grades. if they are the grades from what if sports, while meaningful in the sim, that is certainly no bible on reality in and of itself. Bench was better and I am a BIG Piazza fan, as a Mets fan.Yeah, but you get Piazza at first base, not at catcher.Piazza consistently grades out as a B+ fielder with A+ range. Bench grades out as a A-/B+ fielder with B+ range. I'd take Piazza every time.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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i think a lot of teams will play station to station. The teams that don't might really expose Piazza.That only has information about catching guys stealing. As many people have pointed out, it's not that hard to run on Piazza. He has a pansy arm. That's only one element of a catcher's defense, though. Athleticism in blocking balls, controlling the plate, range in getting to pop-ups... all of those things are included as well in a catcher's total defensive rating. It's one thing to say that Bench was a lot harder to run on. That's tru.e But if you don't have a lot of speed on your team, I think you'd rather see Bench behind the plate than Piazza.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
But will he kiss back..
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Good luck with that in this league.Why are you flaming nipsey for asking a legit question? Greenberg has to play in the OF? That kind of kills the spirit of the draft. It seems like guys should get to play their natural position. If they have more than one, more power to you. Also, Babe Ruth's third best season is as a pitcher (FYI), better draft accordingly.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
BWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA! And you guys laughed at me for passing on him?!?!?!?!?
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
No, his best pitching season is like his 5th or 6th best game salary.I was gonna use that one but it doesn't fly.
I explained it before using a basketball analogy....what do you think they make you pay more for points or rebounds? Same thing in here...they put more stock in some things than others when assigning dollar value. It isn't meant to equal best all-around player....and certainly doesn't equal all around best player for your team. It's funny cuz the sim'll proboably work out just fine if you draft good players. I think that's a pretty safe assumption.Then what does salary equal if not production? Just a random number?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Uh Oh!!!!!whatisfports allows me to add Ruth as a pitcher in 1917 and Ruth as an outfielder in 1920 to the same team! 
Does that mean Ruth is still available as a pitcher because he is two players?!?!!?If not, does that mean you add his salary as a pitcher and salary as a hitter together in years he did both because he is one player???
Does that mean Ruth is still available as a pitcher because he is two players?!?!!?If not, does that mean you add his salary as a pitcher and salary as a hitter together in years he did both because he is one player???
Nipsey
Footballguy
UConn, you really have to get off your high horse. The debate isn't what's driving people away, it's your ####-### attitude to people who don't see things in the ultra-simplistic way you do.Relax. And if you can't answer a question with anything other than (paraphrasing here) "#### you", then don't answer it. TIA.
Uh Oh!!!!!whatisfports allows me to add Ruth as a pitcher in 1917 and Ruth as an outfielder in 1920 to the same team!
Nipsey
Footballguy
Personally, I don't think that's a safe assumption. I don't think you can assume just because you think a player is good, that you can ignore the salary component. Otherwise, why have the salaries at all? Why not just use a guys statistics and be done with it. To assume the salaries are not a vital component to the sim, is not being realistic, IMO.I explained it before using a basketball analogy....what do you think they make you pay more for points or rebounds? Same thing in here...they put more stock in some things than others when assigning dollar value. It isn't meant to equal best all-around player....and certainly doesn't equal all around best player for your team. It's funny cuz the sim'll proboably work out just fine if you draft good players. I think that's a pretty safe assumption.Then what does salary equal if not production? Just a random number?
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
That isn't unique to a pitching-hitting split.You could also take Babe Ruth '26, Babe Ruth '27 and Babe Ruth '28 and put them all in the same outfield.Uh Oh!!!!!whatisfports allows me to add Ruth as a pitcher in 1917 and Ruth as an outfielder in 1920 to the same team!
and there wouldn't be a debate if people'd just draft good players and move....really isn't a reason for it. All it does is SLOW the draft down and force people like Capella, me, ect. to explain things that have little relevance other than nitpicking and slowing down a very fun draft and simple idea. The rules thread was completed a week ago. Lets pick players now. If you didn't get in and get things clarified in there it's your problem. PM's work fine as well. I think most people can see who wants to bend rules and drag stuff out and who wants to have fun. I'm in the lets pick 'em up and play 'em up crowd so don't give me some made up "attitude" red herring.
Pick 'em up and Play 'em up. Rules thread is linked in the first post and the rules are in the first post. Again, I'll officially bow out and let Nipsey have his fun w/out a counterpoint. Makes the draft a ##### to get through, but have at it. I'm thinking about pm'ing Cappy a top 400 or however many I need to finish and having him just pick mine out.
Nipsey
Footballguy
Who slowed up anything? We've waiting for you on more than one occasion in this thing. Don't even try to say that asking for a clarification of the rules is holding anything up. Guys not being on the site is what holds it up, not discussion about the league itself.Again, thanks for the condescending attitude for not sharing your simplistic views...
