***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (4 Viewers)

[Koya]

Bonds was easily a second rounder without the last five years. Do you know how many other people had three MVP awards? Might want to find that out.

Bonds, Schmidt, Mantle, Joe D, Campanella, Foxx. Did I leave any out? Only Bonds has more than 3. For the record, didnt Thomas win 2 MVPS? Not one.

 

[10993]

Thomas has a higher OB% (.440) than Bonds (.559)

Larry, you need someone to help you with your math skills?

no, I typed Bonds' Slugging in his OB%, too

So you need help with your typing then, or your math? I can assist in either one.***ZAP*** You're an orangutan. (Don't worry, you'll evolve back into a human given enough time.)

 

[10993]

Bonds was easily a second rounder without the last five years. Do you know how many other people had three MVP awards? Might want to find that out.

Bonds, Schmidt, Mantle, Joe D, Campanella, Foxx. Did I leave any out? Only Bonds has more than 3. For the record, didnt Thomas win 2 MVPS? Not one.

Thomas won back-to-back MVPs.And yeah--that's the list of people with 3. Thomas doesn't compare with any of them. Bonds is the only one with more than three. Thanks for helping, Koya, though I kinda wanted Larry Boy to have to come to that realization on his own.

 

[Koya]

Bonds was easily a second rounder without the last five years.  Do you know how many other people had three MVP awards?  Might want to find that out.

Bonds, Schmidt, Mantle, Joe D, Campanella, Foxx. Did I leave any out? Only Bonds has more than 3. For the record, didnt Thomas win 2 MVPS? Not one.

Thomas won back-to-back MVPs.And yeah--that's the list of people with 3. Thomas doesn't compare with any of them. Bonds is the only one with more than three. Thanks for helping, Koya, though I kinda wanted Larry Boy to have to come to that realization on his own.

I am just a thorn in your side today. sorry bout that. I have looked at the list enough times over the last week to remember that. You are right, that Thomas is not on that plane. That is a unique group. It should be said, in Ruth's day, I dont think they gave repeat awards or something... so Ruth may have had 5, or 6, or 8.

 

[10993]

Bonds before 2000:1986-1999 14 2000 6976 1455 2010 423 65 445 1299 1430 1112 .288 .409 .559 460 132 163Thomas before 2000:1990-1999 10 1371 4892 968 1564 317 10 301 1040 1076 741 .320 .440 .573 28 18 169Thomas has almost as many HR per year (30.1) as Bonds (31.785)...Thomas has a higher BA (.320) than Bonds (.288)Thomas has a higher OB% (.440) than Bonds (.559)Thomas has a higher Slugging % (.573) than Bonds (.559)Thomas has more RBI per year (104) than Bonds (92.785)Thomas has more doubles per year (31.7) than Bonds (30.214)Thomas has more walks per year (107.6) than Bonds (102.142)all in all, Frank Thomas was a better batter until Bonds truly met BALCO...

Why are you using Barry's stats from the pitcher-dominated 80s? If you want to compare Frank and Barry in the 90s, then only use stats from 1990-1999. You know, in the 90s. I'd love to see that comparison, Larry.

Waiting for the 1990s comparison, Larry.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Thomas 1991 23 CHW AL 158 559 104 178 31 2 32 109 1 2 138 112 .318 .453 .553 309 0 2 13 1 20Bonds1991 26 PIT NL 153 510 95 149 28 5 25 116 43 13 107 73 .292 .410 .514 262 0 13 25 4 8advantage: ThomasThomas 1992 24 CHW AL 160 573 108 185 46 2 24 115 6 3 122 88 .323 .439 .536 307 0 11 6 5 19Bonds1992 27 PIT NL 140 473 109 147 36 5 34 103 39 8 127 69 .311 .456 .624 295 0 7 32 5 9advantage: BondsThomas 1993 25 CHW AL 153 549 106 174 36 0 41 128 4 2 112 54 .317 .426 .607 333 0 13 23 2 10Bonds: 1993 28 SFG NL 159 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 29 12 126 79 .336 .458 .677 365 0 7 43 2 11advantage: BondsThomas1994 26 CHW AL 113 399 106 141 34 1 38 101 2 3 109 61 .353 .487 .729 291 0 7 12 2 15Bonds 1994 29 SFG NL 112 391 89 122 18 1 37 81 29 9 74 43 .312 .426 .647 253 0 3 18 6 3advantage: ThomasThomas 1995 27 CHW AL 145 493 102 152 27 0 40 111 3 2 136 74 .308 .454 .606 299 0 12 29 6 14Bonds 1995 30 SFG NL 144 506 109 149 30 7 33 104 31 10 120 83 .294 .431 .577 292 0 4 22 5 12advantage: ThomasThomas 1996 28 CHW AL 141 527 110 184 26 0 40 134 1 1 109 70 .349 .459 .626 330 0 8 26 5 25Bonds 1996 31 SFG NL 158 517 122 159 27 3 42 129 40 7 151 76 .308 .461 .615 318 0 6 30 1 11advantage: ThomasThomas 1997 29 CHW AL 146 530 110 184 35 0 35 125 1 1 109 69 .347 .456 .611 324 0 7 9 3 15Bonds 1997 32 SFG NL 159 532 123 155 26 5 40 101 37 8 145 87 .291 .446 .585 311 0 5 34 8 13advantage: Thomas1998 advantage: BONDS BY A LOT lolThomas: 1999 31 CHW AL 135 486 74 148 36 0 15 77 3 3 87 66 .305 .414 .471 229 0 8 13 9 14Bonds: 1999 34 SFG NL 102 355 91 93 20 2 34 83 15 2 73 62 .262 .389 .617 219 0 3 9 3 6advantage: ThomasBonds was better than Thomas THREE TIMES from 1991-1999, 4 if you include Thomas' rookie year where he only played 60 games.... that means Thomas was better 6 out of 9 years from 91-99...all of a sudden Bonds went from .262/.389/.617 with 34 homers and 83 RBIs to .328/.515/.863 with 73 homers and 137 RBIs TWO YEARS LATER!!oh yeah:Thomas 2000 32 CHW AL 159 582 115 191 44 0 43 143 1 3 112 94 .328 .436 .625 364 0 8 18 5 13Bonds 2000 35 SFG NL 143 480 129 147 28 4 49 106 11 3 117 77 .306 .440 .688 330 0 7 22 3 6advantage: Thomas

 

[larry_boy_44]

Bonds was easily a second rounder without the last five years.  Do you know how many other people had three MVP awards?  Might want to find that out.

Bonds, Schmidt, Mantle, Joe D, Campanella, Foxx. Did I leave any out? Only Bonds has more than 3. For the record, didnt Thomas win 2 MVPS? Not one.

Thomas won back-to-back MVPs.And yeah--that's the list of people with 3. Thomas doesn't compare with any of them. Bonds is the only one with more than three. Thanks for helping, Koya, though I kinda wanted Larry Boy to have to come to that realization on his own.

where were those guys drafted though??Bonds would not have been a steal at 8 like he was in this draft and he probably would have been a reach in the first round if he owuldn't have all of a sudden become a homer-hitting machine in 2001 (and, to a lesser extent, 2000)

 

[Politician Spock]

If you want to compare Frank and Barry in the 90s,

HEY! Get that cereal draft crap out of here!

 

[larry_boy_44]

If you want to compare Frank and Barry in the 90s,

HEY! Get that cereal draft crap out of here!

:rotflmao:

 

[10993]

Thomas 1991 23 CHW AL 158 559 104 178 31 2 32 109 1 2 138 112 .318 .453 .553 309 0 2 13 1 20Bonds1991 26 PIT NL 153 510 95 149 28 5 25 116 43 13 107 73 .292 .410 .514 262 0 13 25 4 8advantage: ThomasThomas 1992 24 CHW AL 160 573 108 185 46 2 24 115 6 3 122 88 .323 .439 .536 307 0 11 6 5 19Bonds1992 27 PIT NL 140 473 109 147 36 5 34 103 39 8 127 69 .311 .456 .624 295 0 7 32 5 9advantage: BondsThomas 1993 25 CHW AL 153 549 106 174 36 0 41 128 4 2 112 54 .317 .426 .607 333 0 13 23 2 10Bonds: 1993 28 SFG NL 159 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 29 12 126 79 .336 .458 .677 365 0 7 43 2 11advantage: BondsThomas1994 26 CHW AL 113 399 106 141 34 1 38 101 2 3 109 61 .353 .487 .729 291 0 7 12 2 15Bonds 1994 29 SFG NL 112 391 89 122 18 1 37 81 29 9 74 43 .312 .426 .647 253 0 3 18 6 3advantage: ThomasThomas 1995 27 CHW AL 145 493 102 152 27 0 40 111 3 2 136 74 .308 .454 .606 299 0 12 29 6 14Bonds 1995 30 SFG NL 144 506 109 149 30 7 33 104 31 10 120 83 .294 .431 .577 292 0 4 22 5 12advantage: ThomasThomas 1996 28 CHW AL 141 527 110 184 26 0 40 134 1 1 109 70 .349 .459 .626 330 0 8 26 5 25Bonds 1996 31 SFG NL 158 517 122 159 27 3 42 129 40 7 151 76 .308 .461 .615 318 0 6 30 1 11advantage: ThomasThomas 1997 29 CHW AL 146 530 110 184 35 0 35 125 1 1 109 69 .347 .456 .611 324 0 7 9 3 15Bonds 1997 32 SFG NL 159 532 123 155 26 5 40 101 37 8 145 87 .291 .446 .585 311 0 5 34 8 13advantage: Thomas1998 advantage: BONDS BY A LOT lolThomas: 1999 31 CHW AL 135 486 74 148 36 0 15 77 3 3 87 66 .305 .414 .471 229 0 8 13 9 14Bonds: 1999 34 SFG NL 102 355 91 93 20 2 34 83 15 2 73 62 .262 .389 .617 219 0 3 9 3 6advantage: ThomasBonds was better than Thomas THREE TIMES from 1991-1999, 4 if you include Thomas' rookie year where he only played 60 games.... that means Thomas was better 6 out of 9 years from 91-99...all of a sudden Bonds went from .262/.389/.617 with 34 homers and 83 RBIs to .328/.515/.863 with 73 homers and 137 RBIs TWO YEARS LATER!!oh yeah:Thomas 2000 32 CHW AL 159 582 115 191 44 0 43 143 1 3 112 94 .328 .436 .625 364 0 8 18 5 13Bonds 2000 35 SFG NL 143 480 129 147 28 4 49 106 11 3 117 77 .306 .440 .688 330 0 7 22 3 6advantage: Thomas

Your "advantage: Thomas" designations are alternatingly hilarious and sad. I think you can make it a lot easier on yourself if you just man up and post the compiled stats 1990-1999, or point me to the site where you did it, so I can post it for you if it's too embarrassing.Also of note: Barry had 8 Gold Gloves in that time period. What was Thomas' count?

 

[Nipsey]

Lou Brock

 

[lastresort66]

Lou Brock

Took ya long enough. Good pick. He should be a killer leading off for you.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Thomas 1991 23 CHW AL 158  559  104  178  31  2  32  109  1  2 138 112  .318  .453  .553  309  0  2  13  1  20Bonds1991 26 PIT NL 153  510  95  149  28  5  25  116  43 13 107  73  .292  .410  .514  262  0  13  25  4  8advantage: ThomasThomas 1992 24 CHW AL 160  573  108  185  46  2  24  115  6  3 122  88  .323  .439  .536  307  0  11  6  5  19Bonds1992 27 PIT NL 140  473  109  147  36  5  34  103  39  8 127  69  .311  .456  .624  295  0  7  32  5  9advantage: BondsThomas 1993 25 CHW AL 153  549  106  174  36  0  41  128  4  2 112  54  .317  .426  .607  333  0  13  23  2  10Bonds: 1993 28 SFG NL 159  539  129  181  38  4  46  123  29 12 126  79  .336  .458  .677  365  0  7  43  2  11advantage: BondsThomas1994 26 CHW AL 113  399  106  141  34  1  38  101  2  3 109  61  .353  .487  .729  291  0  7  12  2  15Bonds 1994 29 SFG NL 112  391  89  122  18  1  37  81  29  9  74  43  .312  .426  .647  253  0  3  18  6  3advantage: ThomasThomas 1995 27 CHW AL 145  493  102  152  27  0  40  111  3  2 136  74  .308  .454  .606  299  0  12  29  6  14Bonds 1995 30 SFG NL 144  506  109  149  30  7  33  104  31 10 120  83  .294  .431  .577  292  0  4  22  5  12advantage: ThomasThomas 1996 28 CHW AL 141  527  110  184  26  0  40  134  1  1 109  70  .349  .459  .626  330  0  8  26  5  25Bonds 1996 31 SFG NL 158  517  122  159  27  3  42  129  40  7 151  76  .308  .461  .615  318  0  6  30  1  11advantage: ThomasThomas 1997 29 CHW AL 146  530  110  184  35  0  35  125  1  1 109  69  .347  .456  .611  324  0  7  9  3  15Bonds 1997 32 SFG NL 159  532  123  155  26  5  40  101  37  8 145  87  .291  .446  .585  311  0  5  34  8  13advantage: Thomas1998 advantage: BONDS BY A LOT lolThomas: 1999 31 CHW AL 135  486  74  148  36  0  15  77  3  3  87  66  .305  .414  .471  229  0  8  13  9  14Bonds: 1999 34 SFG NL 102  355  91  93  20  2  34  83  15  2  73 62  .262  .389  .617  219  0  3  9  3  6advantage: ThomasBonds was better than Thomas THREE TIMES from 1991-1999, 4 if you include Thomas' rookie year where he only played 60 games.... that means Thomas was better 6 out of 9 years from 91-99...all of a sudden Bonds went from .262/.389/.617 with 34 homers and 83 RBIs to .328/.515/.863  with 73 homers and 137 RBIs TWO YEARS LATER!!oh yeah:Thomas 2000 32 CHW AL 159  582  115  191  44  0  43  143  1  3 112  94  .328  .436  .625  364  0  8  18  5  13Bonds 2000 35 SFG NL 143  480  129  147  28  4  49  106  11  3 117  77  .306  .440  .688  330  0  7  22  3  6advantage: Thomas

Your "advantage: Thomas" designations are alternatingly hilarious and sad. I think you can make it a lot easier on yourself if you just man up and post the compiled stats 1990-1999, or point me to the site where you did it, so I can post it for you if it's too embarrassing.Also of note: Barry had 8 Gold Gloves in that time period. What was Thomas' count?

I wasn't referring to defensively, though, just at the plate...Yes, Bonds was a better defender, but AT THE PLATE, at least until Bonds became a BALCO-induced machine, Thomas was the better player... that is all I am saying...

 

[Bogart]

Lou Brock

Nice, Brock should go well with your team.

 

[Capella]

Willie McCovey

 

[Mr. Pickles]

no, actually Thomas has pretty much sucked since he became a DH, his only really great year being 2000...

What?! He started to spend significant time at DH even in 1991. What the hell are you talking about? Over his career he's nearly played more games at DH than 1B!In case you missed it, here's how many games Frank the Tank spent at DH:90- 8 (of 59 total games)91- 10192- 293- 494- 1395- 5496- 0 (impressive, actually)97- 4998- 14699- 8300- 12701- 16 (of 19 total games)02- 14003- 12404- 65 (of 69 total games)Aside from '96, he's spent very significant time at DH from '95 onward. That's not very respectable for all time consideration at 1B.

 

[larry_boy_44]

no, actually Thomas has pretty much sucked since he became a DH, his only really great year being 2000...

What?! He started to spend significant time at DH even in 1991. What the hell are you talking about? Over his career he's nearly played more games at DH than 1B!In case you missed it, here's how many games Frank the Tank spent at DH:90- 8 (of 59 total games)91- 10192- 293- 494- 1395- 5496- 0 (impressive, actually)97- 4998- 14699- 8300- 12701- 16 (of 19 total games)02- 14003- 12404- 65 (of 69 total games)Aside from '96, he's spent very significant time at DH from '95 onward. That's not very respectable for all time consideration at 1B.

1998 was the only pre-2000 season he played more than 1/3 of his time at DH, that really isn't that horrible if you think about it, especially since a lot of guys (especailly if they're as good at the plate as Thomas was) would move to DH if for some reason they couldn't field as well due to an injury of some sort... and he does seem to be injury prone lol

 

[Koya]

Bonds was easily a second rounder without the last five years.  Do you know how many other people had three MVP awards?  Might want to find that out.

Bonds, Schmidt, Mantle, Joe D, Campanella, Foxx. Did I leave any out? Only Bonds has more than 3. For the record, didnt Thomas win 2 MVPS? Not one.

Thomas won back-to-back MVPs.And yeah--that's the list of people with 3. Thomas doesn't compare with any of them. Bonds is the only one with more than three. Thanks for helping, Koya, though I kinda wanted Larry Boy to have to come to that realization on his own.

where were those guys drafted though??Bonds would not have been a steal at 8 like he was in this draft and he probably would have been a reach in the first round if he owuldn't have all of a sudden become a homer-hitting machine in 2001 (and, to a lesser extent, 2000)

There are other two time MVPs that had great peaks, but not enough of a career and not a long enough dominance to be near on par with those who won 3.. all who won three or sheer legends of the game. Does Thomas belong closer to the elite few that won three, or the two time winners that shouldnt even be drafted for at least a good long while? That is the point.

 

[10993]

I think you can make it a lot easier on yourself if you just man up and post the compiled stats 1990-1999, or point me to the site where you did it, so I can post it for you if it's too embarrassing.

bump, Larry

 

[larry_boy_44]

I think you can make it a lot easier on yourself if you just man up and post the compiled stats 1990-1999, or point me to the site where you did it, so I can post it for you if it's too embarrassing.

bump, Larry

I did

 

[Politician Spock]

After 72 hours, I'm finally on deck!!!

 

[lastresort66]

SP Robin Roberts

3rd best year:

1952 Phillies: 2.59 ERA 28-7 W-L 330 IP 148 SO 45 BB

 

[10993]

I think you can make it a lot easier on yourself if you just man up and post the compiled stats 1990-1999, or point me to the site where you did it, so I can post it for you if it's too embarrassing.

bump, Larry

I did

No, you didn't. You added in the 1980s for Bonds, and then you posted each year individually, complete with hilarious designations of "advantage: Thomas"I'm asking for their compiled stats, 1990-1999, a period across which they both played and you contend Thomas was better. If you won't post it, please just give me the site address you were drawing the stats off of, and I will.

 

[10993]

SP Robin Roberts

3rd best year:

1952 Phillies: 2.59 ERA 28-7 W-L 330 IP 148 SO 45 BB

FBG Voter: "Who?"

 

[lastresort66]

SP Robin Roberts

3rd best year:

1952 Phillies: 2.59 ERA 28-7 W-L 330 IP 148 SO 45 BB

FBG Voter: "Who?"

Just wait until my next pick. Then it will be appropriate to ask that question.

 

[Koya]

SP Robin Roberts

3rd best year:

1952 Phillies: 2.59 ERA 28-7 W-L 330 IP 148 SO 45 BB

FBG Voter: "Who?"

Just wait until my next pick. Then it will be appropriate to ask that question.

Robin roberts is a great pick. #3-5 on my pitchers list. well, was.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

no, actually Thomas has pretty much sucked since he became a DH, his only really great year being 2000...

What?! He started to spend significant time at DH even in 1991. What the hell are you talking about? Over his career he's nearly played more games at DH than 1B!In case you missed it, here's how many games Frank the Tank spent at DH:

90- 8 (of 59 total games)

91- 101

92- 2

93- 4

94- 13

95- 54

96- 0 (impressive, actually)

97- 49

98- 146

99- 83

00- 127

01- 16 (of 19 total games)

02- 140

03- 124

04- 65 (of 69 total games)

Aside from '96, he's spent very significant time at DH from '95 onward. That's not very respectable for all time consideration at 1B.

1998 was the only pre-2000 season he played more than 1/3 of his time at DH, that really isn't that horrible if you think about it, especially since a lot of guys (especailly if they're as good at the plate as Thomas was) would move to DH if for some reason they couldn't field as well due to an injury of some sort... and he does seem to be injury prone lol

:rotflmao: WHAT??

Better grab a calculator because this statement is not correct.. or even close to being so.

In the years 1991, 1995, 1997, 1998, and 1999 he played over a third of his games at DH:

1991: 64.3%

1995: 37.5%

1997: 33.5%

1998: 91.3%

1999: 62.9%

The telling stat, in my mind, is that he's played 971 games at 1B and 932 at DH. That's ridiculous if you want him considered at 1B all time. This will be his undoing for the HOF, trust me.

 

[Politician Spock]

Cap Anson - 1B

How the guy who is third in career RBI lasted to the 95th pick is beyond me. Perhaps it is because he only hit 97 HR's, but guess what...... I DON'T CARE! He'll be a perfect fit for my stadium. A career .333 hitter, 3418 career hits which is 7th all time (seriously, 95th pick guys, come on - HR's are way overrated). Heard he has awesome range for a first baseman. So he and Frankie Frisch will either stop everything hit to the right side, or kill each other trying. And I say that seriously because Anson is probably the only ball player that can legitimately compete with Ty Cobb for the biggest horse's ####.

 

[lastresort66]

SP Robin Roberts

3rd best year:

1952 Phillies: 2.59 ERA 28-7 W-L 330 IP 148 SO 45 BB

FBG Voter: "Who?"

Just wait until my next pick. Then it will be appropriate to ask that question.

Robin roberts is a great pick. #3-5 on my pitchers list. well, was.

As Spock said earlier, this draft is annoyingly filled with knowledgable baseball drafters.Good work so far on making everyone's drafts difficult.

 

[Capella]

Cap Anson - 1B

How the guy who is third in career RBI lasted to the 95th pick is beyond me. Perhaps it is because he only hit 97 HR's, but guess what...... I DON'T CARE! He'll be a perfect fit for my stadium. A career .333 hitter, 3418 career hits which is 7th all time (seriously, 95th pick guys, come on - HR's are way overrated). Heard he has awesome range for a first baseman. So he and Frankie Frisch will either stop everything hit to the right side, or kill each other trying. And I say that seriously because Anson is probably the only ball player that can legitimately compete with Ty Cobb for the biggest horse's ####.

thought about him when I took McCovey..decided Willie was a better fit.

 

[Bogart]

Cap Anson - 1B

How the guy who is third in career RBI lasted to the 95th pick is beyond me. Perhaps it is because he only hit 97 HR's, but guess what...... I DON'T CARE! He'll be a perfect fit for my stadium. A career .333 hitter, 3418 career hits which is 7th all time (seriously, 95th pick guys, come on - HR's are way overrated). Heard he has awesome range for a first baseman. So he and Frankie Frisch will either stop everything hit to the right side, or kill each other trying. And I say that seriously because Anson is probably the only ball player that can legitimately compete with Ty Cobb for the biggest horse's ####.

this hurts BAD!!! I have been thinking about Anson for the last three rounds and was going to take him next for sure. Was just worried that he might have played too long ago and therefore had some bias against him.Last time I think those thoughts.

GREAT PICK!!!!

 

[larry_boy_44]

Bonds:Hits: 1478At Bats: 4894Home Runs: 361RBIs: 1076Total Bases: 2944Walks: 1146BA: .302OB%: .434SLUGGING%: .601Thomas:Hits: 1564At Bats: 4892Home Runs: 301RBIs: 1040Total Bases: 2803Walks: 1076BA: .320OB%: .440SLUGGING%: .573finding:Thomas has more hits, les at bats, less home runs, almost the same RBIs (including his rookie year where he really didn't play, so more per full year), a better BA, better OB% and a lower Slugging...So Bonds hit more home runs, Thomas did everything else better...

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Bonds:Hits: 1478At Bats: 4894Home Runs: 361RBIs: 1076Total Bases: 2944Walks: 1146BA: .302OB%: .434SLUGGING%: .601Thomas:Hits: 1564At Bats: 4892Home Runs: 301RBIs: 1040Total Bases: 2803Walks: 1076BA: .320OB%: .440SLUGGING%: .573finding:Thomas has more hits, les at bats, less home runs, almost the same RBIs (including his rookie year where he really didn't play, so more per full year), a better BA, better OB% and a lower Slugging...So Bonds hit more home runs, Thomas did everything else better...

Not bad for a DH.

 

[Politician Spock]

Bonds:

Hits: 1478

At Bats: 4894

Home Runs: 361

RBIs: 1076

Total Bases: 2944

Walks: 1146

BA: .302

OB%: .434

SLUGGING%: .601

Thomas:

Hits: 1564

At Bats: 4892

Home Runs: 301

RBIs: 1040

Total Bases: 2803

Walks: 1076

BA: .320

OB%: .440

SLUGGING%: .573

finding:

Thomas has more hits, les at bats, less home runs, almost the same RBIs (including his rookie year where he really didn't play, so more per full year), a better BA, better OB% and a lower Slugging...

So Bonds hit more home runs, Thomas did everything else better...

Conveniently left out is base running and defensive stats. Please let it go.

PLEASE!

 

[Capella]

this debate sucks.

I think we finally met the one person in America who would argue Frank = Barry.

I don't think even Frank would argue he's as good as Barry.

Larry..let it go. Seriously. Nobody who has watched 10 minutes of baseball could make this argument.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Bonds:

Hits: 1478

At Bats: 4894

Home Runs: 361

RBIs: 1076

Total Bases: 2944

Walks: 1146

BA: .302

OB%: .434

SLUGGING%: .601

Thomas:

Hits: 1564

At Bats: 4892

Home Runs: 301

RBIs: 1040

Total Bases: 2803

Walks: 1076

BA: .320

OB%: .440

SLUGGING%: .573

finding:

Thomas has more hits, les at bats, less home runs, almost the same RBIs (including his rookie year where he really didn't play, so more per full year), a better BA, better OB% and a lower Slugging...

So Bonds hit more home runs, Thomas did everything else better...

Conveniently left out is base running and defensive stats. Please let it go.

PLEASE!

no, I didn't convieniently leave them out, they ahd nothing to do with what i was saying...I was saying that until Barry met BALCO Thomas was a better batter than Bonds was.... and that shows that Thomas was, in fact, a better batter than Barry was...

 

[larry_boy_44]

this debate sucks.

I think we finally met the one person in America who would argue Frank = Barry.

I don't think even Frank would argue he's as good as Barry.

Larry..let it go. Seriously. Nobody who has watched 10 minutes of baseball could make this argument.

my argument isn't that Thomas is better than Bonds... its that Thomas wasn't a reach in the 4th...its that Thomas was a better batter than Bonds before Bonds met BALCO and became a steroid freak...

 

[Bogart]

Frank Thomas = greatest DH evah.EDIT: besides Harold Baines, maybe

 

[Mr. Pickles]

my argument isn't that Thomas is better than Bonds... its that Thomas wasn't a reach in the 4th...

I think it's been shown that, not only was he a reach in the 4th, you actually fell over reaching for him. He's a DH conveniently disguised on your team as a 1B.

 

[Politician Spock]

Bonds:

Hits: 1478

At Bats: 4894

Home Runs: 361

RBIs: 1076

Total Bases: 2944

Walks: 1146

BA: .302

OB%: .434

SLUGGING%: .601

Thomas:

Hits: 1564

At Bats: 4892

Home Runs: 301

RBIs: 1040

Total Bases: 2803

Walks: 1076

BA: .320

OB%: .440

SLUGGING%: .573

finding:

Thomas has more hits, les at bats, less home runs, almost the same RBIs (including his rookie year where he really didn't play, so more per full year), a better BA, better OB% and a lower Slugging...

So Bonds hit more home runs, Thomas did everything else better...

Conveniently left out is base running and defensive stats. Please let it go.

PLEASE!

no, I didn't convieniently leave them out, they ahd nothing to do with what i was saying...I was saying that until Barry met BALCO Thomas was a better batter than Bonds was.... and that shows that Thomas was, in fact, a better batter than Barry was...

GOOD LORD! Was BALCO the reason Barry was stealing 50 bases in a season and winning gold gloves?

 

[larry_boy_44]

my argument isn't that Thomas is better than Bonds... its that Thomas wasn't a reach in the 4th...

I think it's been shown that, not only was he a reach in the 4th, you actually fell over reaching for him. He's a DH conveniently disguised on your team as a 1B.

would you consider A-Rod a SS convieniently hidden at 3B on the current Yankees?what about some of the CFs playes LF or RF??? they are out of position completely, but that's ok???Seriously, Thomas played 1B, he isn't remembered for great 1B skills, but he is more than adequate...

 

[Capella]

this debate sucks.

I think we finally met the one person in America who would argue Frank = Barry.

I don't think even Frank would argue he's as good as Barry.

Larry..let it go. Seriously. Nobody who has watched 10 minutes of baseball could make this argument.

my argument isn't that Thomas is better than Bonds... its that Thomas wasn't a reach in the 4th...its that Thomas was a better batter than Bonds before Bonds met BALCO and became a steroid freak...

there's just sooooo many other parts to the game that you're missing out on. plus you too easily dismiss barry's past 5 years, AND frank's past 5 years as well.Frank was a reach in the third. IMO, he's a reach in this round. Great players like McCovey, Anson, Greenberg and others went after him, that shouldn't have. Others too, that haven't been picked yet.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Bonds:

Hits: 1478

At Bats: 4894

Home Runs: 361

RBIs: 1076

Total Bases: 2944

Walks: 1146

BA: .302

OB%: .434

SLUGGING%: .601

Thomas:

Hits: 1564

At Bats: 4892

Home Runs: 301

RBIs: 1040

Total Bases: 2803

Walks: 1076

BA: .320

OB%: .440

SLUGGING%: .573

finding:

Thomas has more hits, les at bats, less home runs, almost the same RBIs (including his rookie year where he really didn't play, so more per full year), a better BA, better OB% and a lower Slugging...

So Bonds hit more home runs, Thomas did everything else better...

Conveniently left out is base running and defensive stats. Please let it go.

PLEASE!

no, I didn't convieniently leave them out, they ahd nothing to do with what i was saying...I was saying that until Barry met BALCO Thomas was a better batter than Bonds was.... and that shows that Thomas was, in fact, a better batter than Barry was...

GOOD LORD! Was BALCO the reason Barry was stealing 50 bases in a season and winning gold gloves?

no, Bonds was great, but not 2nd behind Babe Ruth good before Balcoafter Balco, we might remember him as the greatest ever... that is garbage...

Bonds, during the prime of his career, wasn't the best batter in the league... he might have been the best player, but think about that...

HOW DO YOU BECOME A BETTER HITTER (power-wise especially) AFTER YOU TURN 35 YEARS OLD?!?!

if you don't count the last 5 years of Bonds' career, he is still an all-time great, but not 1st round material...

 

[larry_boy_44]

this debate sucks.

I think we finally met the one person in America who would argue Frank = Barry.

I don't think even Frank would argue he's as good as Barry.

Larry..let it go. Seriously. Nobody who has watched 10 minutes of baseball could make this argument.

my argument isn't that Thomas is better than Bonds... its that Thomas wasn't a reach in the 4th...its that Thomas was a better batter than Bonds before Bonds met BALCO and became a steroid freak...

there's just sooooo many other parts to the game that you're missing out on. plus you too easily dismiss barry's past 5 years, AND frank's past 5 years as well.Frank was a reach in the third. IMO, he's a reach in this round. Great players like McCovey, Anson, Greenberg and others went after him, that shouldn't have. Others too, that haven't been picked yet.

and Thomas is better at the plate then any of them...besides which, we, quite honestly, have absolutely no idea how any of this is going to go down...

I went "best batter from the 90s?? top 10 OBS??? gotta be going soon" and picked him... I knew he played DH most of the time, but he has 9 TIMES more games played at 1B than the minimum requirement, so he fits there just fine...

 

[Mr. Pickles]

my argument isn't that Thomas is better than Bonds... its that Thomas wasn't a reach in the 4th...

I think it's been shown that, not only was he a reach in the 4th, you actually fell over reaching for him. He's a DH conveniently disguised on your team as a 1B.

would you consider A-Rod a SS convieniently hidden at 3B on the current Yankees?what about some of the CFs playes LF or RF??? they are out of position completely, but that's ok???Seriously, Thomas played 1B, he isn't remembered for great 1B skills, but he is more than adequate...

Yes, because:1. A-Rod has spent most of his career save this past season at SS2. There is no shame in playing a difficult fielding position rather than the PINEI can't believe you're even trying to justify this. Thomas played nearly 1/2 of his games at DH. While his numbers are very nice, that downgrades him significantly in my book.

 

[larry_boy_44]

my argument isn't that Thomas is better than Bonds... its that Thomas wasn't a reach in the 4th...

I think it's been shown that, not only was he a reach in the 4th, you actually fell over reaching for him. He's a DH conveniently disguised on your team as a 1B.

would you consider A-Rod a SS convieniently hidden at 3B on the current Yankees?what about some of the CFs playes LF or RF??? they are out of position completely, but that's ok???Seriously, Thomas played 1B, he isn't remembered for great 1B skills, but he is more than adequate...

Yes, because:1. A-Rod has spent most of his career save this past season at SS2. There is no shame in playing a difficult fielding position rather than the PINEI can't believe you're even trying to justify this. Thomas played nearly 1/2 of his games at DH. While his numbers are very nice, that downgrades him significantly in my book.

are you downgrading people who are playing out of position then?I mean, is this downgrade going across the board? If players are played somewhere other than where they play naturally int eh voting, are you down-grading those players?

 

[Nipsey]

are you downgrading people who are playing out of position then?I mean, is this downgrade going across the board? If players are played somewhere other than where they play naturally int eh voting, are you down-grading those players?

PM's down?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

are you downgrading people who are playing out of position then?I mean, is this downgrade going across the board? If players are played somewhere other than where they play naturally int eh voting, are you down-grading those players?

No, I'm not downgrading guys playing out of position. Playing DH isn't playing out of position, it's not playing a position at all. If all you had to do was hit, I'd say that would be a pretty nice advantage, don't you? Imagine if all Barry did was hit..I can't believe you are comparing DH to playing out of position. Unreal.DH is the complete LACK of playing a position.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

are you downgrading people who are playing out of position then?I mean, is this downgrade going across the board? If players are played somewhere other than where they play naturally int eh voting, are you down-grading those players?

PM's down?

Easy there, JTT.. Home Improvement wasn't that good.

 

[Nipsey]

are you downgrading people who are playing out of position then?I mean, is this downgrade going across the board? If players are played somewhere other than where they play naturally int eh voting, are you down-grading those players?

PM's down?

Easy there, JTT.. Home Improvement wasn't that good.

It was a joke. Didn't LB just ask what I was asking and got kicked out of the league for? And I'm no JTT, that guy pulls more 14 years olds than Clay Aiken. Guy's a stud.