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But I'm not breaking any rules, I'm not going to mention his Negro League career, I pro'lly won't mention any stats... I'll just say "Satchel Paige"...
I'm not convinced that will be enough. But I don't have a problem with you giving it a try.
I think he and Nipsey are overestimating it as well. 15 guys in here who know baseball took 270 players before him. Maybe we let him slide a few rounds too long given that his name does have some clout, but people who know baseball know that Satchel Paige didn't accomplish anything in MLB other than pitch in his 40's. Those would equate Paige to Walter Johnson in the vote are also the ones equating Fruit Loops to Lucky Charms. Perhaps that is 90% of the FFA, but I think that is an overestimation.
your forgetting that Paige is my #5 starter at best... well, maybe #4 lol, not sure if I'd put him over Gooden or not...
If you let the milk sit for a couple minutes, it turns chocolate.
 
But I'm not breaking any rules, I'm not going to mention his Negro League career, I pro'lly won't mention any stats... I'll just say "Satchel Paige"...
I'm not convinced that will be enough. But I don't have a problem with you giving it a try.
I think he and Nipsey are overestimating it as well. 15 guys in here who know baseball took 270 players before him. Maybe we let him slide a few rounds too long given that his name does have some clout, but people who know baseball know that Satchel Paige didn't accomplish anything in MLB other than pitch in his 40's. Those would equate Paige to Walter Johnson in the vote are also the ones equating Fruit Loops to Lucky Charms. Perhaps that is 90% of the FFA, but I think that is an overestimation.
your forgetting that Paige is my #5 starter at best... well, maybe #4 lol, not sure if I'd put him over Gooden or not...
Love that logic...he's either the second best pitcher ever and thus should be your #1 starter or he's a reliever.There is no logic in comparing him to Gooden
 
Nice getting a guy (in round 16!) who you can put up against Walter Johnson and argue that your guy was better.
Not to disrespect Paige, but I can draft Pee Wee Herman and argue that he was better than Walter Johnson.Just the fact that you can make an argument is worthless. Anyone can argue anything. The key is to actually convince other people that you are correct.
You really think that Paige and Pee Wee Herman were on the same level pitching-wise?
Not my point.
What is your point? I'm talking about one of the greatest pitchers of all-time here. He was taken in a time of the draft when Jerry Koosman, Jimmy key, Tim Wakefield were taken. I'm saying you can't argue that those guys were as good as say Walter Johnson (the number one overall pick in this thing). You can however make a case that Paige was. That's why I say he was the SOD. That's my point.
no, he can't argue that.all he can argue is what Paige did in his MLB career, which was nowhere near what The Big Train did. :fishing:
and do you really think I plan on pounding stats with Paige??I'm going to go "it's Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher ever... PERIOD!!!"
no, you're not, unless you plan to argue that his 5-year MLB career is the greatest ever.to mention his outside-MLB career in a write-up is cause for DQ.,Snot ####ing around..we all spent too much time on this.
 
But I'm not breaking any rules, I'm not going to mention his Negro League career, I pro'lly won't mention any stats... I'll just say "Satchel Paige"...
I'm not convinced that will be enough. But I don't have a problem with you giving it a try.
I think he and Nipsey are overestimating it as well. 15 guys in here who know baseball took 270 players before him. Maybe we let him slide a few rounds too long given that his name does have some clout, but people who know baseball know that Satchel Paige didn't accomplish anything in MLB other than pitch in his 40's. Those would equate Paige to Walter Johnson in the vote are also the ones equating Fruit Loops to Lucky Charms. Perhaps that is 90% of the FFA, but I think that is an overestimation.
your forgetting that Paige is my #5 starter at best... well, maybe #4 lol, not sure if I'd put him over Gooden or not...
Love that logic...he's either the second best pitcher ever and thus should be your #1 starter or he's a reliever.There is no logic in comparing him to Gooden
my point is I know he isn't going to be looked upon well by some people, so if I keep him low in the rotation, it won't look as horrible to those people...He will likely be 4... but 3 or 5 is not out of the question...
 
Nice getting a guy (in round 16!) who you can put up against Walter Johnson and argue that your guy was better.
Not to disrespect Paige, but I can draft Pee Wee Herman and argue that he was better than Walter Johnson.Just the fact that you can make an argument is worthless. Anyone can argue anything. The key is to actually convince other people that you are correct.
You really think that Paige and Pee Wee Herman were on the same level pitching-wise?
Not my point.
What is your point? I'm talking about one of the greatest pitchers of all-time here. He was taken in a time of the draft when Jerry Koosman, Jimmy key, Tim Wakefield were taken. I'm saying you can't argue that those guys were as good as say Walter Johnson (the number one overall pick in this thing). You can however make a case that Paige was. That's why I say he was the SOD. That's my point.
no, he can't argue that.all he can argue is what Paige did in his MLB career, which was nowhere near what The Big Train did. :fishing:
and do you really think I plan on pounding stats with Paige??I'm going to go "it's Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher ever... PERIOD!!!"
no, you're not, unless you plan to argue that his 5-year MLB career is the greatest ever.to mention his outside-MLB career in a write-up is cause for DQ.,Snot ####ing around..we all spent too much time on this.
who said I was going to mention any stats?I'm going to say, exactly:Satchel Paige - greatest pitcher ever
 
Nice getting a guy (in round 16!) who you can put up against Walter Johnson and argue that your guy was better.
Not to disrespect Paige, but I can draft Pee Wee Herman and argue that he was better than Walter Johnson.Just the fact that you can make an argument is worthless. Anyone can argue anything. The key is to actually convince other people that you are correct.
You really think that Paige and Pee Wee Herman were on the same level pitching-wise?
Not my point.
What is your point? I'm talking about one of the greatest pitchers of all-time here. He was taken in a time of the draft when Jerry Koosman, Jimmy key, Tim Wakefield were taken. I'm saying you can't argue that those guys were as good as say Walter Johnson (the number one overall pick in this thing). You can however make a case that Paige was. That's why I say he was the SOD. That's my point.
no, he can't argue that.all he can argue is what Paige did in his MLB career, which was nowhere near what The Big Train did. :fishing:
and do you really think I plan on pounding stats with Paige??I'm going to go "it's Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher ever... PERIOD!!!"
no, you're not, unless you plan to argue that his 5-year MLB career is the greatest ever.to mention his outside-MLB career in a write-up is cause for DQ.,Snot ####ing around..we all spent too much time on this.
who said I was going to mention any stats?I'm going to say, exactly:Satchel Paige - greatest pitcher ever
and then how are you going to back that up based on his MLB career?
 
As far as the Page thing goes, it may affect the FFA vote but I really don't think it will have a significant affect, a couple here and there at most will swing there vote based on 1 player on a 25 man roster. I think it's a minimal issue.

 
Nice getting a guy (in round 16!) who you can put up against Walter Johnson and argue that your guy was better.
Not to disrespect Paige, but I can draft Pee Wee Herman and argue that he was better than Walter Johnson.Just the fact that you can make an argument is worthless. Anyone can argue anything. The key is to actually convince other people that you are correct.
You really think that Paige and Pee Wee Herman were on the same level pitching-wise?
Not my point.
What is your point? I'm talking about one of the greatest pitchers of all-time here. He was taken in a time of the draft when Jerry Koosman, Jimmy key, Tim Wakefield were taken. I'm saying you can't argue that those guys were as good as say Walter Johnson (the number one overall pick in this thing). You can however make a case that Paige was. That's why I say he was the SOD. That's my point.
no, he can't argue that.all he can argue is what Paige did in his MLB career, which was nowhere near what The Big Train did. :fishing:
and do you really think I plan on pounding stats with Paige??I'm going to go "it's Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher ever... PERIOD!!!"
no, you're not, unless you plan to argue that his 5-year MLB career is the greatest ever.to mention his outside-MLB career in a write-up is cause for DQ.,Snot ####ing around..we all spent too much time on this.
who said I was going to mention any stats?I'm going to say, exactly:Satchel Paige - greatest pitcher ever
and then how are you going to back that up based on his MLB career?
we know who he is...it shouldn't need that much explaining...
 
As far as the Page thing goes, it may affect the FFA vote but I really don't think it will have a significant affect, a couple here and there at most will swing there vote based on 1 player on a 25 man roster. I think it's a minimal issue.
yes, but Mathewson-Clemens-Glavine-Paige-Goodenthat is a killer 5-man rotation...
 
Nice getting a guy (in round 16!) who you can put up against Walter Johnson and argue that your guy was better.
Not to disrespect Paige, but I can draft Pee Wee Herman and argue that he was better than Walter Johnson.

Just the fact that you can make an argument is worthless. Anyone can argue anything. The key is to actually convince other people that you are correct.
You really think that Paige and Pee Wee Herman were on the same level pitching-wise?
Not my point.
What is your point? I'm talking about one of the greatest pitchers of all-time here. He was taken in a time of the draft when Jerry Koosman, Jimmy key, Tim Wakefield were taken. I'm saying you can't argue that those guys were as good as say Walter Johnson (the number one overall pick in this thing). You can however make a case that Paige was. That's why I say he was the SOD. That's my point.
no, he can't argue that.

all he can argue is what Paige did in his MLB career, which was nowhere near what The Big Train did.

:fishing:
and do you really think I plan on pounding stats with Paige??

I'm going to go "it's Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher ever... PERIOD!!!"
no, you're not, unless you plan to argue that his 5-year MLB career is the greatest ever.

to mention his outside-MLB career in a write-up is cause for DQ.

,S

not ####ing around..we all spent too much time on this.
who said I was going to mention any stats?

I'm going to say, exactly:

Satchel Paige - greatest pitcher ever
and then how are you going to back that up based on his MLB career?
we know who he is...

it shouldn't need that much explaining...
True or False:

You're obviously planning on using Paige's Negro League career in explaining why he's on your roster. You wouldn't be able to use the "greatest ever" line otherwise.

EDIT: to take the insult out, because it really goes without saying..

 
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As far as the Page thing goes, it may affect the FFA vote but I really don't think it will have a significant affect, a couple here and there at most will swing there vote based on 1 player on a 25 man roster. I think it's a minimal issue.
yes, but Mathewson-Clemens-Glavine-Paige-Goodenthat is a killer 5-man rotation...
No, its a killer 4-man rotation and a 40 year old relief pitcher.Martinez-Newhouser-Dean-Guidry-Saberhagen, that's a killer 5-man rotation.
 
As far as the Page thing goes, it may affect the FFA vote but I really don't think it will have a significant affect, a couple here and there at most will swing there vote based on 1 player on a 25 man roster. I think it's a minimal issue.
yes, but Mathewson-Clemens-Glavine-Paige-Goodenthat is a killer 5-man rotation...
We all have "killer" 5 man rotations, I really don't think it will make much of a difference.
 
As far as the Page thing goes, it may affect the FFA vote but I really don't think it will have a significant affect, a couple here and there at most will swing there vote based on 1 player on a 25 man roster. I think it's a minimal issue.
yes, but Mathewson-Clemens-Glavine-Paige-Goodenthat is a killer 5-man rotation...
Except Gooden had only three good years and Satchel is 90 years old.We are not playing a guys best season, we are talking how good that guy is over his MLB career. Now, you can argue if Koufax was around long enough, or ralph kiner... but 3 years does NOT equate to a great all time ball player.Stick to your top three - Glavine won a couple CYAs and while never completely dominant, was a very good pitcher for a while and did some great things in his career. After that, your rotation tales off. That still makes it one of the better rotations IMO, but that is giving Gooden a bit more credit than he should (loved him back in those couple glory years) and giving Satchel some credit though he is a marginal first arm out of the bullpen regardless.
 
Nice getting a guy (in round 16!) who you can put up against Walter Johnson and argue that your guy was better.
Not to disrespect Paige, but I can draft Pee Wee Herman and argue that he was better than Walter Johnson.

Just the fact that you can make an argument is worthless. Anyone can argue anything. The key is to actually convince other people that you are correct.
You really think that Paige and Pee Wee Herman were on the same level pitching-wise?
Not my point.
What is your point? I'm talking about one of the greatest pitchers of all-time here. He was taken in a time of the draft when Jerry Koosman, Jimmy key, Tim Wakefield were taken. I'm saying you can't argue that those guys were as good as say Walter Johnson (the number one overall pick in this thing). You can however make a case that Paige was. That's why I say he was the SOD. That's my point.
no, he can't argue that.

all he can argue is what Paige did in his MLB career, which was nowhere near what The Big Train did.

:fishing:
and do you really think I plan on pounding stats with Paige??

I'm going to go "it's Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher ever... PERIOD!!!"
no, you're not, unless you plan to argue that his 5-year MLB career is the greatest ever.

to mention his outside-MLB career in a write-up is cause for DQ.

,S

not ####ing around..we all spent too much time on this.
who said I was going to mention any stats?

I'm going to say, exactly:

Satchel Paige - greatest pitcher ever
and then how are you going to back that up based on his MLB career?
we know who he is...

it shouldn't need that much explaining...
True or False:

You're obviously planning on using Paige's Negro League career in explaining why he's on your roster. You wouldn't be able to use the "greatest ever" line otherwise.

EDIT: to take the insult out, because it really goes without saying..
What I want to know is...

If Larry honestly thought he could get away with passing off Paige as the best ever without violating draft rules, why didn't he take him sooner?

If this pick came in the 5th round it might be naive. In the 17th round its bush league.

 
Nice getting a guy (in round 16!) who you can put up against Walter Johnson and argue that your guy was better.
Not to disrespect Paige, but I can draft Pee Wee Herman and argue that he was better than Walter Johnson.

Just the fact that you can make an argument is worthless. Anyone can argue anything. The key is to actually convince other people that you are correct.
You really think that Paige and Pee Wee Herman were on the same level pitching-wise?
Not my point.
What is your point? I'm talking about one of the greatest pitchers of all-time here. He was taken in a time of the draft when Jerry Koosman, Jimmy key, Tim Wakefield were taken. I'm saying you can't argue that those guys were as good as say Walter Johnson (the number one overall pick in this thing). You can however make a case that Paige was. That's why I say he was the SOD. That's my point.
no, he can't argue that.

all he can argue is what Paige did in his MLB career, which was nowhere near what The Big Train did.

:fishing:
and do you really think I plan on pounding stats with Paige??

I'm going to go "it's Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher ever... PERIOD!!!"
no, you're not, unless you plan to argue that his 5-year MLB career is the greatest ever.

to mention his outside-MLB career in a write-up is cause for DQ.

,S

not ####ing around..we all spent too much time on this.
who said I was going to mention any stats?

I'm going to say, exactly:

Satchel Paige - greatest pitcher ever
and then how are you going to back that up based on his MLB career?
we know who he is...

it shouldn't need that much explaining...
True or False:

You're obviously planning on using Paige's Negro League career in explaining why he's on your roster. You wouldn't be able to use the "greatest ever" line otherwise.

EDIT: to take the insult out, because it really goes without saying..
yes, but by saying "greatest ever" I'm not really mentioning the Negro League career, just that he is considered the greatest ever...

If it will make you all feel better, though, I'll use him as a reliever... its not like he didn't have 5 of the better reliever years ever anyways... lol

 
Nice getting a guy (in round 16!) who you can put up against Walter Johnson and argue that your guy was better.
Not to disrespect Paige, but I can draft Pee Wee Herman and argue that he was better than Walter Johnson.

Just the fact that you can make an argument is worthless. Anyone can argue anything. The key is to actually convince other people that you are correct.
You really think that Paige and Pee Wee Herman were on the same level pitching-wise?
Not my point.
What is your point? I'm talking about one of the greatest pitchers of all-time here. He was taken in a time of the draft when Jerry Koosman, Jimmy key, Tim Wakefield were taken. I'm saying you can't argue that those guys were as good as say Walter Johnson (the number one overall pick in this thing). You can however make a case that Paige was. That's why I say he was the SOD. That's my point.
no, he can't argue that.

all he can argue is what Paige did in his MLB career, which was nowhere near what The Big Train did.

:fishing:
and do you really think I plan on pounding stats with Paige??

I'm going to go "it's Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher ever... PERIOD!!!"
no, you're not, unless you plan to argue that his 5-year MLB career is the greatest ever.

to mention his outside-MLB career in a write-up is cause for DQ.

,S

not ####ing around..we all spent too much time on this.
who said I was going to mention any stats?

I'm going to say, exactly:

Satchel Paige - greatest pitcher ever
and then how are you going to back that up based on his MLB career?
we know who he is...

it shouldn't need that much explaining...
True or False:

You're obviously planning on using Paige's Negro League career in explaining why he's on your roster. You wouldn't be able to use the "greatest ever" line otherwise.

EDIT: to take the insult out, because it really goes without saying..
What I want to know is...

If Larry honestly thought he could get away with passing off Paige as the best ever without violating draft rules, why didn't he take him sooner?

If this pick came in the 5th round it might be naive. In the 17th round its bush league.
it's very bush, he knows exactly what he's doing, and he won't be allowed to do it in the vote, or he won't be advancing.

 
As far as the Page thing goes, it may affect the FFA vote but I really don't think it will have a significant affect, a couple here and there at most will swing there vote based on 1 player on a 25 man roster. I think it's a minimal issue.
yes, but Mathewson-Clemens-Glavine-Paige-Goodenthat is a killer 5-man rotation...
No, its a killer 4-man rotation and a 40 year old relief pitcher.Martinez-Newhouser-Dean-Guidry-Saberhagen, that's a killer 5-man rotation.
:thumbup:
 
yes, but by saying "greatest ever" I'm not really mentioning the Negro League career, just that he is considered the greatest ever...
don't play us like we're stupid here, ok?that obviously plays a part of it. if you're going to mention he's the greatest ever, you better be able to back it up with appropriate MLB stats. you're not going to exploit what you think is a loophole.
 
As far as the Page thing goes, it may affect the FFA vote but I really don't think it will have a significant affect, a couple here and there at most will swing there vote based on 1 player on a 25 man roster. I think it's a minimal issue.
yes, but Mathewson-Clemens-Glavine-Paige-Goodenthat is a killer 5-man rotation...
Except Gooden had only three good years and Satchel is 90 years old.We are not playing a guys best season, we are talking how good that guy is over his MLB career. Now, you can argue if Koufax was around long enough, or ralph kiner... but 3 years does NOT equate to a great all time ball player.Stick to your top three - Glavine won a couple CYAs and while never completely dominant, was a very good pitcher for a while and did some great things in his career. After that, your rotation tales off. That still makes it one of the better rotations IMO, but that is giving Gooden a bit more credit than he should (loved him back in those couple glory years) and giving Satchel some credit though he is a marginal first arm out of the bullpen regardless.
1948 41 CLE AL 6 1 21 7 3 2 5 1 72.7 61 21 20 2 25 45 1 1 298 2.48 4.07 164 1949 42 CLE AL 4 7 31 5 1 0 19 5 83.0 70 29 28 4 33 54 1 0 348 3.04 3.99 131 1951 44 SLB AL 3 4 23 3 0 0 16 5 62.0 67 39 33 6 29 48 1 1 278 4.79 4.41 92 1952 45 SLB AL 12 10 46 6 3 2 35 10 138.0 116 51 47 5 57 91 3 2 582 3.07 3.93 128 1953 46 SLB AL 3 9 57 4 0 0 34 11 117.3 114 51 46 12 39 51 1 2 489 3.53 4.20 119 1965 58 KCA AL 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 3.0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 10 0.00 3.49 infthat is marginal??he had an adjusted ERA of 164 his first season...and his name is worth a lot regardless of how I play him or what I use as a statistical argument...
 
The thread contains dozens upon dozens of posts ridiculing LB44's picks, piling on many times. (Frequently unfairly, imo, but that's another matter.)Do you not think you can beat his team no matter what he says about Satchel?Have a chuckle, and start picking again.

 
The thread contains dozens upon dozens of posts ridiculing LB44's picks, piling on many times. (Frequently unfairly, imo, but that's another matter.)Do you not think you can beat his team no matter what he says about Satchel?Have a chuckle, and start picking again.
no... they couldn't do that...they just like acting like I have no clue what I'm doing even though I have one of the better teams here...
 
The thread contains dozens upon dozens of posts ridiculing LB44's picks, piling on many times. (Frequently unfairly, imo, but that's another matter.)Do you not think you can beat his team no matter what he says about Satchel?Have a chuckle, and start picking again.
that's not the point..
 
The thread contains dozens upon dozens of posts ridiculing LB44's picks, piling on many times. (Frequently unfairly, imo, but that's another matter.)Do you not think you can beat his team no matter what he says about Satchel?Have a chuckle, and start picking again.
no... they couldn't do that...they just like acting like I have no clue what I'm doing even though I have one of the better teams here...
:fishing:if 15 people are laughing at you larry, it's not because you are making outstanding picks.
 
The thread contains dozens upon dozens of posts ridiculing LB44's picks, piling on many times.  (Frequently unfairly, imo, but that's another matter.)Do you not think you can beat his team no matter what he says about Satchel?Have a chuckle, and start picking again.
no... they couldn't do that...they just like acting like I have no clue what I'm doing even though I have one of the better teams here...
:fishing:if 15 people are laughing at you larry, it's not because you are making outstanding picks.
in case you forgot how to read, like 3 people are laughing at me, and they tend to come up with reasons to laugh at me no matter what...everyone else doesn't say much about me at all...
 
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The thread contains dozens upon dozens of posts ridiculing LB44's picks, piling on many times.  (Frequently unfairly, imo, but that's another matter.)Do you not think you can beat his team no matter what he says about Satchel?Have a chuckle, and start picking again.
no... they couldn't do that...they just like acting like I have no clue what I'm doing even though I have one of the better teams here...
:fishing:if 15 people are laughing at you larry, it's not because you are making outstanding picks.
in case you forgot how to read, like 3 people are laughing at me, and they tend to come up with reasons to laugh at me no matter what...everyone else doesn't say much at all...
At times silence can speak volumesI'm not a big fan of piling on, there have been several picks made that I thought were maybe early but I really don't get much out of shooting down someone's picks. I prefer to let the vote/sim etc play out and see. I'd rather comment on picks I consider strong and are similar to the way I'm approaching this.Do I think Wakefield was a good pick? No, but who am I to say the majority will agree with me.
 
The thread contains dozens upon dozens of posts ridiculing LB44's picks, piling on many times. (Frequently unfairly, imo, but that's another matter.)Do you not think you can beat his team no matter what he says about Satchel?Have a chuckle, and start picking again.
no... they couldn't do that...they just like acting like I have no clue what I'm doing even though I have one of the better teams here...
To coin a Nipsey phrase:I think that stance is a bit naive.
 
FWIW, I don't think Larry's team is going to do as badly as everyone thinks. Sure, there were a couple of reaches but his team will probably be competitive.That said, I still only have rosters from about half of the original 16 teams.Send to nymets86@gmail.com please.

 
That said, I still only have rosters from about half of the original 16 teams.Send to nymets86@gmail.com please.
I'll have mine to you before long.It's cool to send incomplete rosters? I still have seven more guys to pick.
 
A 4 hour limit during biz hours seems more than reasonable. To leave a list even more reasonable. If you are within 5 or 6 people, even after biz hours you should have a 3-4 person list. IF all those players are taken, we stop, no biggie. But to get 4 picks a day aint good. Anyone agree with me on the limits, I do not want something that is unfair or wont work for some people.

 
That said, I still only have rosters from about half of the original 16 teams.Send to nymets86@gmail.com please.
I'll have mine to you before long.It's cool to send incomplete rosters? I still have seven more guys to pick.
Yep, I'm entering them as you go.
Any chance for those of us with some info to get a little private feedback on our teams? Or is this somehow an unfair advantage. Id be curious to know, especially since weve slowed pace here.
 
after this round, we're going four hours. if we don't get this done, the wait will just get worse.

 
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We are now into the third week of this draft. If it takes much longer I am going to have to drop out because my wife is due to give birth Feb 3rd. If you don't see me logged on for a few days in a row, I'm out.

 
We are now into the third week of this draft. If it takes much longer I am going to have to drop out because my wife is due to give birth Feb 3rd. If you don't see me logged on for a few days in a row, I'm out.
wuss
 
by the way, since somebody asked a few pages back, i have Harrier's top 5 pitchers a shade better than LB44's top 5 pitchers (not including Satchel).by my reckoning, Koya has the best team overall, and it's not really that close. I have UCONN in 16th. :2cents:

 
Hey guys, sorry it's so late Just woke up. Rough night of writing and then drinking last night--academic life (even for just a bit of grad school) isn't worth it; don't ever leave work.

 

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