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*****OFFICIAL FORMULA ONE GRAND PRIX THREAD***** (1 Viewer)

Actually a good race for Ferrari.

Assuming Russell gets a time penalty, that would be 3rd and 5th.

Piastri looked strong. Norris was scrappy - but made some decent passes.
 
No penalty for Russell. The stewards ruled he gave back more time than he gained from the accidental DRS deployment. Solid weekend for George maximizing points in the second or third best car.

There won't be any celebrating in the RBR garage but Yuki did what he was brought in to do: make Q3 and finish in the points although he was fortunate to escape penalties for his collision with Sainz. Terrible race for the team though. There was reportedly a heated post-race meeting between Verstappen's manager and the RBR leadership team.
 
It could be like Senna-Prost without all the drama. Norris is naturally quicker and Piastri has been more consistent.

I'm still not entirely sold on Oscar; there's still the possibility it'll end up more like Hakkinen-Coulthard with a significant points gap between the teammates.
 
I think he's better at qualifying which seems to matter a whole lot more for track position and clear air than pure pace during the race.
 
Norris outqualified Piastri 25-5 last season (including sprint qually). This year it's been 3-2 in favor of Oscar but it's a very small sample size.
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.
 
Norris outqualified Piastri 25-5 last season (including sprint qually). This year it's been 3-2 in favor of Oscar but it's a very small sample size.

My take on this is that Piastri is the better (more aggressive) racer, but Norris still has a lot of speed. So, quali is going to play a big role.

I also think we will see shifts in the field - where some races McLaren will not be the best car in the field.

In terms of a driver's championship battle - this could be the most "exciting" in years - with Norris, Piastri, Verstappen at the front, and Russell, Leclerc and Hamilton not miles away.

Let's see how things shake out post-Barcelona and the rule changes on the wings.

I think a lot then will depend on how much effort teams put into upgrading this year, versus spending time on 2026 designs. I expect McLaren and Red Bull to be fully focused on this season, it remains to be seen what Mercedes and Ferrari do. I think Mercedes might shift focus to next year, but Ferrari could stick with more development on this year's car.
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.

If Red Bull doesn't improve the RB21, I could see Max taking a gap year in 2026 to observe the pecking order under the new regs. At least that'll give us the Yuki-Hadjar battles we were promised this year.

Mercedes is likely to remain status quo: Russell has been excellent and Antonelli has shown enough.

I don't consider Aston Martin a viable option no matter how much they've spent on Newey and infrastructure. They've been in technical decline and haven't had a podium for two full seasons. Alonso's zero points is more indicative of the team's current form than Stroll's ten; Lance jumped up the order in Melbourne when they got the pit call right. There's not enough there for Verstappen to commit the next phase of his career to them.
 
Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position
AM was my preseason prediction, but just heard a podcast today that said they are >1M in the red. They mentioned Stroll might need a consortium of investors to get Max so it was unlikely
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.

If Red Bull doesn't improve the RB21, I could see Max taking a gap year in 2026 to observe the pecking order under the new regs. At least that'll give us the Yuki-Hadjar battles we were promised this year.

Mercedes is likely to remain status quo: Russell has been excellent and Antonelli has shown enough.

I don't consider Aston Martin a viable option no matter how much they've spent on Newey and infrastructure. They've been in technical decline and haven't had a podium for two full seasons. Alonso's zero points is more indicative of the team's current form than Stroll's ten; Lance jumped up the order in Melbourne when they got the pit call right. There's not enough there for Verstappen to commit the next phase of his career to them.

I think that was my point really - the time for Max to commit to Mercedes was last season, before they committed to Antonelli - now, I think he has left it too late - and there is no good option for him - but to remain at Red Bull and hope they are not a mid field team.

The 3 top teams - McLaren, Ferrari and McLaren look settled with their drivers - leaving only Red Bull or a long shot like Aston Martin.

Maybe a gap year is a viable strategy.
 
Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position
AM was my preseason prediction, but just heard a podcast today that said they are >1M in the red. They mentioned Stroll might need a consortium of investors to get Max so it was unlikely

Aston Martin the car company also controlled by Stroll is selling its stake in the F1 team to raise funds for car company. The Saudi PIF already has a share of the team and has been widely reported to be looking into becoming the majority owner in addition to its title sponsor. Maybe this will finally put an end to Lance's F1 career.

The Saudis certainly have enough money to make a competitive offer to Max who'll be the highest paid driver wherever he lands.
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.

If Red Bull doesn't improve the RB21, I could see Max taking a gap year in 2026 to observe the pecking order under the new regs. At least that'll give us the Yuki-Hadjar battles we were promised this year.

Mercedes is likely to remain status quo: Russell has been excellent and Antonelli has shown enough.

I don't consider Aston Martin a viable option no matter how much they've spent on Newey and infrastructure. They've been in technical decline and haven't had a podium for two full seasons. Alonso's zero points is more indicative of the team's current form than Stroll's ten; Lance jumped up the order in Melbourne when they got the pit call right. There's not enough there for Verstappen to commit the next phase of his career to them.
He’s making like $60 million a year, he’s not taking a gap year.
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.

If Red Bull doesn't improve the RB21, I could see Max taking a gap year in 2026 to observe the pecking order under the new regs. At least that'll give us the Yuki-Hadjar battles we were promised this year.

Mercedes is likely to remain status quo: Russell has been excellent and Antonelli has shown enough.

I don't consider Aston Martin a viable option no matter how much they've spent on Newey and infrastructure. They've been in technical decline and haven't had a podium for two full seasons. Alonso's zero points is more indicative of the team's current form than Stroll's ten; Lance jumped up the order in Melbourne when they got the pit call right. There's not enough there for Verstappen to commit the next phase of his career to them.
He’s making like $60 million a year, he’s not taking a gap year.

The most likely scenario is he stays put at RBR but I think a gap year makes more sense than taking the leap of faith with Aston Martin.
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.

If Red Bull doesn't improve the RB21, I could see Max taking a gap year in 2026 to observe the pecking order under the new regs. At least that'll give us the Yuki-Hadjar battles we were promised this year.

Mercedes is likely to remain status quo: Russell has been excellent and Antonelli has shown enough.

I don't consider Aston Martin a viable option no matter how much they've spent on Newey and infrastructure. They've been in technical decline and haven't had a podium for two full seasons. Alonso's zero points is more indicative of the team's current form than Stroll's ten; Lance jumped up the order in Melbourne when they got the pit call right. There's not enough there for Verstappen to commit the next phase of his career to them.
He’s making like $60 million a year, he’s not taking a gap year.

The most likely scenario is he stays put at RBR but I think a gap year makes more sense than taking the leap of faith with Aston Martin.
There's no scenario where he is passing up what he makes per year to take a gap year. He's making $65 million at RB and AM would probably pay significantly more.
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.

If Red Bull doesn't improve the RB21, I could see Max taking a gap year in 2026 to observe the pecking order under the new regs. At least that'll give us the Yuki-Hadjar battles we were promised this year.

Mercedes is likely to remain status quo: Russell has been excellent and Antonelli has shown enough.

I don't consider Aston Martin a viable option no matter how much they've spent on Newey and infrastructure. They've been in technical decline and haven't had a podium for two full seasons. Alonso's zero points is more indicative of the team's current form than Stroll's ten; Lance jumped up the order in Melbourne when they got the pit call right. There's not enough there for Verstappen to commit the next phase of his career to them.
He’s making like $60 million a year, he’s not taking a gap year.
I could absolutely see him doing it. He seems like the type of guy that would just say “**** it, I’m raising my child for a year “

Then go off and do whatever he wants and not even come back to F1. He’ll never be short on money, everyone is short on time.
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.

If Red Bull doesn't improve the RB21, I could see Max taking a gap year in 2026 to observe the pecking order under the new regs. At least that'll give us the Yuki-Hadjar battles we were promised this year.

Mercedes is likely to remain status quo: Russell has been excellent and Antonelli has shown enough.

I don't consider Aston Martin a viable option no matter how much they've spent on Newey and infrastructure. They've been in technical decline and haven't had a podium for two full seasons. Alonso's zero points is more indicative of the team's current form than Stroll's ten; Lance jumped up the order in Melbourne when they got the pit call right. There's not enough there for Verstappen to commit the next phase of his career to them.
He’s making like $60 million a year, he’s not taking a gap year.
I could absolutely see him doing it. He seems like the type of guy that would just say “**** it, I’m raising my child for a year “

Then go off and do whatever he wants and not even come back to F1. He’ll never be short on money, everyone is short on time.
That's an astronomical salary. I'd be willing to wager a significant amount against this scenario.
 
Interrupting silly season speculation with a race weekend on the ridiculously fast Jeddah Corniche circuit. It was a pretty boring race last year with everybody in tire management mode on the hards after an early safety car. Pirelli is bringing softer compounds this year so it could be a nominal two stopper. The walls mean safety cars or a red flag are a probability so that will dictate strategy as much as tire deg. It's an aero track so we'll see which cars work best in low downforce setups. Ferrari is bringing more upgrades this weekend but I haven't heard of any others.
 
As we enter the last of a triple-header, I was thinking ahead to next season - and some of the silly season rumors that are floating about - but I wonder if Max Verstappen has left his decision too late.

Obviously things are not great at Red Bull right now, but significantly, there continues to be speculation about the engine development for next season. If Red Bull suffer a power deficit, and miss out on Newey's design prowess - it could easily be a midfield (or worse) team next year, with or without Max.

So, if Max wants to move - where are his options?

On the face of things, it looks like only 2 viable options - Mercedes or Aston Martin. But both of those would be dicey right now. I think Mercedes would take Max right now - but, if they lock up Russell on a multi-year deal, I don't think they would move Antonelli - but maybe they could persuade Williams or Aston Martin to take him for a year or 2. I think Russell is the key - and perhaps by leaking contract negotiations, they are telling Max its now or never.

Aston Martin is the other logical landing spot - you have Stroll wanting a world championship, Newey already in place, but you have Honda coming back into the mix as an engine supplier - a little bit of an unknown, but then everyone is in the same position.

If Red Bull doesn't improve the RB21, I could see Max taking a gap year in 2026 to observe the pecking order under the new regs. At least that'll give us the Yuki-Hadjar battles we were promised this year.

Mercedes is likely to remain status quo: Russell has been excellent and Antonelli has shown enough.

I don't consider Aston Martin a viable option no matter how much they've spent on Newey and infrastructure. They've been in technical decline and haven't had a podium for two full seasons. Alonso's zero points is more indicative of the team's current form than Stroll's ten; Lance jumped up the order in Melbourne when they got the pit call right. There's not enough there for Verstappen to commit the next phase of his career to them.
He’s making like $60 million a year, he’s not taking a gap year.
I could absolutely see him doing it. He seems like the type of guy that would just say “**** it, I’m raising my child for a year “

Then go off and do whatever he wants and not even come back to F1. He’ll never be short on money, everyone is short on time.
That's an astronomical salary. I'd be willing to wager a significant amount against this scenario.
Sure it is, but again, he can always earn that again. He can't get back the time with his kid.

Also, i'm not saying it's likely, just that I see him as that type of guy who has higher odds of doing it than most.
 
Interrupting silly season speculation with a race weekend on the ridiculously fast Jeddah Corniche circuit. It was a pretty boring race last year with everybody in tire management mode on the hards after an early safety car. Pirelli is bringing softer compounds this year so it could be a nominal two stopper. The walls mean safety cars or a red flag are a probability so that will dictate strategy as much as tire deg. It's an aero track so we'll see which cars work best in low downforce setups. Ferrari is bringing more upgrades this weekend but I haven't heard of any others.
Heard today they they've moved some of the walls in the esses(?) a little back to give the drivers a slightly better view. Still, this feels like Nascar and Taladaga with us just waiting for "the big one"
 
The race was decided in the first corner. It's kind of a ridiculous track design to start the race with a short 500 foot run to a tight chicane with a ton of runoff, especially when the designers had a relatively clean sheet and all the money in the world to work with. You're usually going to end up with someone going deep or some broken wings.
 
I doubt it will happen - but, if I were Mercedes, I would swap Russell for Max next season.

Russell has pace, but I just don't think he has the aggressiveness that you need to be a world champion.

In fact, I think its more likely that Antonelli wins a title in the future than George Russell.
 
This was my trending feed on twitter this morning - apparently auto-ranked from most holy to most evil:

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Here are some more silly season stuff early during our 1-week hiatus:



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🚨 Red Bull's Christian Horner and George Russell have reportedly held informal talks to be aware of each other's situation



While this is still a long way off from happening, I think its still a decent bet to take place in the next few months.

First, I don't think Mercedes can win a driver's championship with Russell, and so I think they are flirting with Max, despite Wolff claiming otherwise. If I had to guess, I think Mercedes and Verstappen are negotiating right now - which is why there have been public stories about Mercedes offering Russell a new contract, followed by leaks that Aston Martin have offered an outrageous contract to sign Verstappen.

If Mercedes and Max can reach a deal - then Russell will be without a seat, and Red Bull would be without a top driver - with apologies to @Eephus and Yuki. So, I think it make sense for them to be reaching out now to see if it makes sense in the future. Though, honestly, I am not sure Russell is the kind of driver Horner and Red Bull want - for the same reasons I don't think he can win at Mercedes.
 
One thing to consider during silly season is that the biggest blockbuster moves (e.g. Hamilton to Ferrari, Alonso to Aston-Martin, Piastri to McLaren) rarely get leaked beforehand. The Verstappen Russell swap business seems like a lot of posturing to me.

I think it's going to be an uneventful silly season--maybe not as boring as the non-event of 2023-24 but pretty close to it.
 
One thing to consider during silly season is that the biggest blockbuster moves (e.g. Hamilton to Ferrari, Alonso to Aston-Martin, Piastri to McLaren) rarely get leaked beforehand. The Verstappen Russell swap business seems like a lot of posturing to me.

I think it's going to be an uneventful silly season--maybe not as boring as the non-event of 2023-24 but pretty close to it.
Until Ferrari realizes Lewis is cooked, uses an out clause in their contract, and signs Max to replace him next year. :ph34r:
 
Great lap for Antonelli. Really paying back Mercedes faith in replacing Hamilton

As an aside - Red Bull really nailed the strategy for Max imo. Got the early banker in - in case of a red flag - but also had enough fuels to send him again. Mercedes probably should have done the same for Russell
 
Nice to see Charles Stroll show up today :rolleyes:
Mixed bag for Ferrari and Mercedes today.

Mclaren doing what they needed to do to maintain the hold on the constructor's championship - need to maximize points until Spain, when they could lose some dominance.

Tough day at the office for Antonelli - pushed off by Piastri and blacked from pitting by Verstappen.

Depending on what happens with Lawson - Yuki could move up into a scoring position, and have his first race out-scoring Verstappen...
 
Depending on what happens with Lawson - Yuki could move up into a scoring position, and have his first race out-scoring Verstappen...
So far - Bearman was penalized for an unsafe release, demoting him from the points, and giving Tsunoda his first race out-pointing Vertstappen

Lawson still under investigation.

If Lawson is given a time penalty, it would move Antonelli up to the last points position.
 

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