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*****OFFICIAL FORMULA ONE GRAND PRIX THREAD***** (1 Viewer)

"I’ve got a rope, i’m attaching it to Perez who’s in front of me, and I’ll follow him the whole way. Simple!"

Lando Norris plan for the sprint race

Lights out in 10 minutes 

 
Checo moves up to 5th

Haas with great pace again this weekend

MAG left his teammate out to dry but that’s on Steiner; if MSC keeps his drs HAM can’t get by

8 VER RB
7 LEC FE  

6 SAI FE   
5 RUS ME

4 PER RB (+8)
3 OCO AL (-1)

2 MAG HA (-1)
1 HAM ME (+1)    

MSC HA (-2)
BOT AR (+2)

NOR Mc (+4)
RIC Mc (+4)

STR AM (+4)
ZHO AR (+4)

GAS AT (-5)
ALB WI (-5)     

TSU AT (-3)
LAT WI (+1)

VET AM (+1)
ALO AR (-12)

 
I'm predicting track limit penalties will have a significant impact on the GP results.  Everybody has to go through the final corner 71 times and race control is watching like a hawk.

 
Eephus said:
I'm predicting track limit penalties will have a significant impact on the GP results.  Everybody has to go through the final corner 71 times and race control is watching like a hawk.
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That will make for a less than scintillating race.  It will be like hockey waiting for every goal scored to be called back for something trivial.

 
I won't post spoilers until later in the day but I was surprised by the race strategy today. 

During the four races on this circuit in the pandemic years everyone ran one stoppers except those who started on softs.  I don't think anyone did a one stop this year with the front runners doing three because of the virtual safety car. 

Tire degradation didn't seem to be a huge issue today--drivers weren't complaining any more than usual about their tires going away and there weren't any super slow mo shots of graining.

 
Eephus said:
Engine explode and extinguish
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that was a little scary - one marshal set his extinguisher down & ran back, the other guy isn’t putting out the (spreading) fire bc he’s trying to get a wedge block under the wheel, Carlos can’t turn the wheel so it’ll back into the wall bc he’s the wheel has been released & he wants to get out, when he starts to get out (releasing the foot brake) the car down the hill

need that whole sequence sped up & set it Benny Hill music

:doh:

MSC got driver of the day, P6, double points, Steinercraft just grew a couple meters

every other team (except McLaren) getting updates, Haas does nothing & has found great pace the last 2

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no pit sprint races are boring. that’s 4 snoozefests out of 5. I don’t like the disjointed scheduling. they seem determined to keep it but maybe change the sequence or format.

main event wasn’t all that thrilling for P1 - Ferrari had the first and Max wasn’t even trying to battle overtakes - but the midfield action was fun. IDK what place that 5-car battle was for late but fun to watch. Bottas no points but starting fm the pit to finish P11 was a great drive.

 
BobbyLayne said:
MSC got driver of the day, P6, double points, Steinercraft just grew a couple meters
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I guess you can't give it to Russell after he ruined Checo's race but he had an impressive drive up to P4 from P19 after his first stop, penalty and wing change.

 
Eephus said:
I guess you can't give it to Russell after he ruined Checo's race but he had an impressive drive up to P4 from P19 after his first stop, penalty and wing change.
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apparently I’m in the minority but I didn’t think George was at fault there it’s Turn 4 at RBR so Merc’s at fault. His right side was at the apex and Sergio turned into.

whereas Pierre well off the apex and spinning Seb into the gravel…they should bring back the 25 second penalty for excessive stupidity.

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favorite overtake:

Alonzo finger wagging Yuki

 
BobbyLayne said:
that’s the widely reported unofficial rumor

adding LV & South Africa (Kyalami)

Dropping French (Paul Ricard) & Belgian (Spa)
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Kyalami is a great track.  We'll see about Vegas.

Spa is a huge loss although it's not a great circuit for the current cars.  Le Castellet is a go kart track.

 
Eephus said:
Kyalami is a great track.  We'll see about Vegas.

Spa is a huge loss although it's not a great circuit for the current cars.  Le Castellet is a go kart track.
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Would never happen bc of it’s romanticized standing but the drop that would make sense is Monaco. It’s the worst circuit (by far) and it’s absurd they control their own cameras. But there’s probably hidden power dynamics there that ensure it’s entrenchment.

It’s also a little sad F1 is enjoying a resurgence and don’t have plans to bring back the traveling circus to Germany.  

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Tangentially related, I recently got around to watching the Netflix Schumacher documentary. I don’t want to spoil it for anyone, but it’s worth watching.

 
American driver Logan Sargeant won his second consecutive Formula 2 feature race yesterday and has climbed to second in the driver's points standings.  If he holds that position, he'll have more than enough FIA superlicense points to qualify to race in F1. 

Sargeant is a Williams affiliated driver which should have an open seat next year after Latifi's contract expires.  It's been rumored that Oscar Piastri will be loaned from Alpine to Williams next year but stranger things have happened than a team's academy driver getting promoted.

Sargeant actually finished 4th on the track in Austria but all three drivers in the podium positions got knocked down due to penalties.

 
Eephus said:
American driver Logan Sargeant won his second consecutive Formula 2 feature race yesterday and has climbed to second in the driver's points standings.  If he holds that position, he'll have more than enough FIA superlicense points to qualify to race in F1. 

Sargeant is a Williams affiliated driver which should have an open seat next year after Latifi's contract expires.  It's been rumored that Oscar Piastri will be loaned from Alpine to Williams next year but stranger things have happened than a team's academy driver getting promoted.

Sargeant actually finished 4th on the track in Austria but all three drivers in the podium positions got knocked down due to penalties.
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Colton Herta also getting a two-day test with McLaren in Portugal, presumably in advance of an FP session later this season.

Seems increasingly likely that there will be an American on the grid in 2024, maybe earlier if Williams decides they don't need Latifi's money any more or if Ricciardo retires with a year left on his deal.

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Colton Herta also getting a two-day test with McLaren in Portugal, presumably in advance of an FP session later this season.

Seems increasingly likely that there will be an American on the grid in 2024, maybe earlier if Williams decides they don't need Latifi's money any more or if Ricciardo retires with a year left on his deal.
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Herta ran nearly 500 test miles over two days in last year's McLaren.  He's had an inconsistent season in Indycar so far and isn't likely to accumulate enough superlicense points to be eligible to race F1 in 2023.  If he really blows McLaren away with his test performance, it's possible he could run over the winter in Asian F3 to gain more points but that's kind of a Hail Mary scenario.

Michael Andretti's F1 bid appears to be a non-starter.

 
Eephus said:
Herta ran nearly 500 test miles over two days in last year's McLaren.  He's had an inconsistent season in Indycar so far and isn't likely to accumulate enough superlicense points to be eligible to race F1 in 2023.  If he really blows McLaren away with his test performance, it's possible he could run over the winter in Asian F3 to gain more points but that's kind of a Hail Mary scenario.

Michael Andretti's F1 bid appears to be a non-starter.
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And I'm figuring if there's only one Williams seat open for 2023 it would presumably go to Piastri. Plus Danny Ric has a deal through next season, and any arguments about the appeal of an American for marketing purposes would certainly apply to him as well. 2024 season seems like the earliest reasonable target.

 
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Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
And I'm figuring if there's only one Williams seat open for 2023 it would presumably go to Piastri. Plus Danny Ric has a deal through next season, and any arguments about the appeal of an American for marketing purposes would certainly apply to him as well. 2024 season seems like the earliest reasonable target.
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It's pretty certain that this is Latifi's last season in F1.  The Piastri loan to Williams has been rumored for months. I question the wisdom of a rebuilding team to focus on a guy who's certain to leave for Alpine in a year or two but it's hard to be strategic when you have the worst car on the grid.

Vettel and Ricciardo are the other silly season dominoes.  Alonso hasn't been confirmed at Alpine either  Yuki isn't on solid ground but the Red Bull juniors haven't been impressive this year.

 
Eephus said:
It's pretty certain that this is Latifi's last season in F1.  The Piastri loan to Williams has been rumored for months. I question the wisdom of a rebuilding team to focus on a guy who's certain to leave for Alpine in a year or two but it's hard to be strategic when you have the worst car on the grid.

Vettel and Ricciardo are the other silly season dominoes.  Alonso hasn't been confirmed at Alpine either  Yuki isn't on solid ground but the Red Bull juniors haven't been impressive this year.
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I just don't see Ricciardo leaving before his contract is up, but people who know more than I do seem to think it's a possibility. So who knows. 

I refuse to accept the possibility that we might lose an ornery former champ who lives to mix it up on track and a foul-mouthed 4'6" Japanese kid in the same season. That's just too much entertainment value to lose. 

As for Vettel, as much as I hate to admit, it might be his time. He just doesn't seem that into it any more.

 
I agree that Vettel walks away. This can't be what he envisioned when he signed in 2020.  Aston Martin has taken a step backwards in performance and is now closer to the last row than the midfield, much less challenging for podiums. 

He's a F1 legend, he was basically Max before Max was, and doesn't need to get taken out by Albon battling over P15.  The company has also taken on a lot more Saudi money which must make Seb uneasy.

 
Seb is statistically a top 3 all-time F-1 driver. His legacy is secure and three years running with the backmarkers is taking its toll. He’s a well rounded guy who will be happier once he moves on.

Alonso is having a great season, hope he comes back. One of the most entertaining drivers. 

Honeybadger reiterated he’s planning on fulfilling the final year of his contract. Dunno if Zak is thinking of a buyout but they sure do have quite the stable lined up for their 2023 Indy, Formula E & F1 teams.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Honeybadger reiterated he’s planning on fulfilling the final year of his contract. Dunno if Zak is thinking of a buyout but they sure do have quite the stable lined up for their 2023 Indy, Formula E & F1 teams.
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I rate Alex Palou very highly.  He's 25 which is old for a F1 debutante these days.  His stats in European ladder series weren't spectacular although he wasn't with top teams and he's since proven to very adaptable racing against men in Indycar and Japanese Super Formula.

Tire management is such a big part of modern F1 which may not be a good fit with Pato O'Ward's driving style.  Colton Herta is talented but has had too many moments of brain fade.  I'm also not sure if he's cut out for the PR demands of F1.

It'll still probably be Ricciardo next year though.

 
No major surprises in Friday practice.  Ferrari and Red Bull remain securely on top with the only story being the growing gap between Max and Perez but that will be mitigated this week by Sainz starting in the back.  Mercedes is further back from the top two than they were at Silverstone and Austria.

Alpha Tauri's updates have moved them forward a bit.  McLaren is faster than Alpine so far in the battle for 4th.  Haas is expecting their first upgrade of the season but not until next week in Hungary.

Le Castellet is a very bland circuit, especially the meandering first sector.  You'd think the birthplace of motor racing would have a decent F1 track somewhere in the country.

 
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Eephus said:
No major surprises in Friday practice.  Ferrari and Red Bull remain securely on top with the only story being the growing gap between Max and Perez but that will be mitigated this week by Sainz starting in the back.  Mercedes is further back from the top two than they were at Silverstone and Austria.

Alpha Tauri's updates have moved them forward a bit.  McLaren is faster than Alpine so far in the battle for 4th.  Haas is expecting their first upgrade of the season but not until next week in Hungary.

Le Castellet is a very bland circuit, especially the meandering first sector.  You'd think the birthplace of motor racing would have a decent F1 track somewhere in the country.
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It is weird that just when Checo was looking like a contender, they pulled the rug out from under him (imo). I can't help but think conspiracy!   And I HATE conspiracy theories.   

 
Here are the 2022 Formula 1 French Grand Prix third free practice results.

Classification

1 Max Verstappen, Red Bull, 1m32.272s
2 Carlos Sainz, Ferrari, 1m32.626s
3 Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, 1m32.909s
4 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1m33.255s
5 Sergio Perez, Red Bull, 1m32.293s
6 George Russell, Mercedes, 1m33.376s
7 Fernando Alonso, Alpine, 1m33.505s
8 Alexander Albon, Williams, 1m33.558s
9 Lando Norris, McLaren, 1m33.669s
10 Yuki Tsunoda, AlphaTauri, 1m33.751s
11 Daniel Ricciardo, McLaren, 1m33.788s
12 Nicholas Latifi, Williams, 1m33.841s
13 Pierre Gasly, AlphaTauri, 1m33.869s
14 Valtteri Bottas, Alfa Romeo, 1m33.872s
15 Guanyu Zhou, Alfa Romeo, 1m33.911s
16 Kevin Magnussen, Haas, 1m34.031s
17 Esteban Ocon, Alpine, 1m34.122s
18 Lance Stroll, Aston Martin, 1m34.177s
19 Mick Schumacher, Haas, 1m34.222s
20 Sebastian Vettel, Aston Martin, 1m34.536s

 
90 degrees air temp / 130+ track temp for Q1

Williams post upgrades has really good pace in the straights

Merc switching back to wings with less downforce 

Seb has car damage during FP3 didn’t run softs

Sai & KMag will be back of the grid bc of taking on new parts

 
LEC 7th pole position 2022
VER

PER
HAM (300th start; qualified P4 1st start)

NOR
RUS

ALO
TSU

RIC
OCO

BOT
VET

ALB
GAS

STR
ZHO

MSC
LAT 

SAI (grid penalty)
MAG (grid penalty)

 
E Street Brat said:
BobbyLayne said:
It’s an archaic term only dinosaurs still use. Have talked to a couple Brazilian friends who tell me there’s no other way to interpret it other than a derogatory slur. Simultaneously, old timers shrug and say “what? I’ve used it all my life.”

The literal translation of o neguinho is little black guy but “little n****r” isn’t a stretch by any means. It has a history of usage tied to the slave trade.

Piquet has been using homophobic slurs to describe Senna as gay for 30+ years. He’s a world class jerk.
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Confirmed. My wife is Brazilian. 
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This story is dead and gone, everyone has (correctly) moved on. But watching Max arrive at the paddock with his long time girlfriend, Brazilian model Kelly Piquet. **record scratch** Whoah OK that’s a not insignificant tidbit. No wonder Max took the awkward “wrong thing to say but Nelson’s not a racist” line of defense.

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92 degrees air temp / 130+ track temp will likely mean tyre 🛞 deg is going to be crucial. Three middle compounds this week, the C4s of qualifying will scarcely be seen today.

Merc lacks pace in the straights, fast corners and slow corners. Seriously, W13 is a wheelbarrow compared to RB18 and F1-75. But they’re the king of reliability and have two of the best drivers so they’re consistent.

Is anyone on the current grid better at managing tyres than Lewis? Nothing from the three practice sessions or qualifying points to P1. This is the latest in the season Mercedes has gone without a win in the decade Toto Wolff has been Director. No logical reason the breakthrough comes here.

Exoect Lewis to lose 1-2 positions early, they always trouble getting the tyres up to optimal temp. But my heart is hoping (I don’t think my head came to these conclusions) reliability & better strategy will lead him to the front.

 
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good Lord

team tells SAI he has a 5 second stop n go (which means 30+ seconds lost time in and out out of the pit lane)

Carlos corrects them “it’s a 5 second penalty…not stop m go correct?” (driver was right)

these FER guys are something else

 
Lewis Hamilton's P2 is the best placement of any driver after or on their 300th race.

(yep...six guys over 300 starts, none of them ever won after they hit that number)

  1. Kimi Räikkönen 349
  2. Fernando Alonso 345 (will surpass Kimi at Singapore)
  3. Rubens Barrichello 323
  4. MIchael Schumacher 306 (some have 308 entries and 307 starts....I seem to recall a race lost by a stewards decision after the race...wondering why the discrepancy between sources.)
  5. Jenson Button 306
  6. Sir Lewis 300
Anyway, sorry Lewis,  you'll never washed and will never win again.

/s

Hoping they design a better car next year. I think he still has the desire and will see it through the end of this cycle (2025) before the new chassis regulations and next generation of power units.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Lewis Hamilton's P2 is the best placement of any driver after or on their 300th race.

(yep...six guys over 300 starts, none of them ever won after they hit that number)

  1. Kimi Räikkönen 349
  2. Fernando Alonso 345 (will surpass Kimi at Singapore)
  3. Rubens Barrichello 323
  4. MIchael Schumacher 306 (some have 308 entries and 307 starts....I seem to recall a race lost by a stewards decision after the race...wondering why the discrepancy between sources.)
  5. Jenson Button 306
  6. Sir Lewis 300
Anyway, sorry Lewis,  you'll never washed and will never win again.

/s

Hoping they design a better car next year. I think he still has the desire and will see it through the end of this cycle (2025) before the new chassis regulations and next generation of power units.
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It wasn't long ago that Riccardo Patrese held the record for over fifteen years.  If Perez and Ricciardo run through the end of next season, Patrese won't even be in the top ten anymore.

 
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TripleThreat said:
they're post race reports reek of CYA.  Do they really think they have a shot at the constructors?

Maybe it's me but I think I'd keep him out and shoot for a podium in that instance.  
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If they were going to box they needed to do it 5+ laps sooner so he had enough remaining laps to move up to podium. He was the fastest car on the track. 

Carlos toed the line post race ("we had nothing to lose staying out".) Must be so frustrating driving for a team that starts out in testing saying they're not competing for the WDC, and then repeats that's not the goal they set throughout the season. Why would you not adjust based on the results your are seeing? They've had the best pace all year.

If Charles Leclerc and Ferrari fail to win the 2022 Championship, it will be the first time the team that achieved a 1-2 in the first race was unable to win the championship since 2010. The team in 2010? Ferrari.
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