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Official Great Works Draft (2 Viewers)
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Postradamus
Footballguy
I'm in a similar situation, narrowing it down now between 3 things.
Chiwawa
Footballguy
veryNice job staying on top of this cluster love rodg.
rodg12
Footballguy
veryNice job staying on top of this cluster love rodg.
Thanks for the compliments. Much appreciated.
Postradamus
Footballguy
32.18
i'll finish up TV series now since I assume this is where it belongs.
PLANET EARTH
the best show about earf eva.
WATCH IT ALL HERE!
i'll finish up TV series now since I assume this is where it belongs.
PLANET EARTH
the best show about earf eva.
.Thousands of years from now, this show will likely still be relevant. It's recorded natural history. and in HD! Awesome.
WATCH IT ALL HERE!
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Chiwawa
Footballguy
No one believes you anymore.MisfitBlondes said:She's fired again.veryNice job staying on top of this cluster love rodg.
rodg12
Footballguy
32.19 - The Most Dangerous Game - Richard Connell - Short Story
"The Most Dangerous Game", also known as "The Hounds of Zaroff", is a short story by Richard Connell. It was published in Collier's Weekly on January 19, 1924.
Widely anthologized, and the author's best-known work, "The Most Dangerous Game" features as its main character a big-game hunter from New York, who falls off a yacht and swims to an isolated island in the Caribbean, and is hunted by a Russian aristocrat. The story is an inversion of the big-game hunting safaris in Africa and South America that were fashionable among wealthy Americans in the 1920s.
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"The Most Dangerous Game", also known as "The Hounds of Zaroff", is a short story by Richard Connell. It was published in Collier's Weekly on January 19, 1924.
Widely anthologized, and the author's best-known work, "The Most Dangerous Game" features as its main character a big-game hunter from New York, who falls off a yacht and swims to an isolated island in the Caribbean, and is hunted by a Russian aristocrat. The story is an inversion of the big-game hunting safaris in Africa and South America that were fashionable among wealthy Americans in the 1920s.
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Fennis
Footballguy
Easiest way to finish the draft, just have 19 people go on autoskip and then make the rest of your picks. Or pull a dougb and make it rain somewhere near round 58.Keep me on autoskip today.
TidesofWar
Footballguy
BORING
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Sounds like your diet has improved.
TidesofWar
Footballguy
I am here - pick coming soon
TidesofWar
Footballguy
32.13 - Pilgrims Progress - John Bunyan - Novel
I cannot believe this has not been taken, but I checked twice, like Saint Nick
Not befitting my attempted theme, but I cannot pass on the value, so I will find a way to make it work
The Pilgrim's Progress from This World to That Which Is to Come is a Christian allegory written by John Bunyan in February, 1678. It is regarded as one of the most significant works of English literature, has been translated into more than 200 languages, and has never been out of print.[1]
Wikki notes
I cannot believe this has not been taken, but I checked twice, like Saint Nick
Not befitting my attempted theme, but I cannot pass on the value, so I will find a way to make it work
The Pilgrim's Progress from This World to That Which Is to Come is a Christian allegory written by John Bunyan in February, 1678. It is regarded as one of the most significant works of English literature, has been translated into more than 200 languages, and has never been out of print.[1]
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Postradamus
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Alright, at this rate I'm almost going back-to-back with all the autoskips, so I'll take 32.14 now and hope I get a multi-volume non-fiction ruling by the time 33.07 rolls around.
As powerful as anything ever recorded on celluloid.
32.14 (634rd pick) - John "Sonny" Wortzik in Dog Day Afternoon - Acting Performance
Al Pacino
synopsis of the movie
Dog Day Afternoon is a 1975 American crime drama film directed by Sidney Lumet and written by Frank Pierson. The film stars Al Pacino, John Cazale, Chris Sarandon, James Broderick, and Charles Durning. Based on the events of a bank robbery that took place on August 22, 1972, Dog Day Afternoon tells the story of John "Sonny" Wortzik, who, with his partner Salvatore Naturile, holds the employees of a Brooklyn, New York bank hostage the day after his pre-operative transgendered girlfriend was committed to a psychiatric hospital following a suicide attempt. The title refers to the "dog days of summer".
The film was inspired by P.F. Kluge's article "The Boys in the Bank", which tells a similar story of the robbery of a Brooklyn bank by John Wojtowicz and Salvatore Naturile. This article was published in Life in 1972. The film received generally positive reviews upon its September 1975 release by Warner Bros. Pictures, some of which referred to its anti-establishment tone. Dog Day Afternoon was nominated for several Academy Awards and Golden Globe awards, and won one Academy Award.
First-time crook Sonny Wortzik (Pacino) and his friend Sal (Cazale) show the intentions of robbing a Brooklyn bank, only to discover that it has very little money at the time. Their third accomplice loses his nerve, and runs off during the raid. They are then informed that the police have been tipped off and have the bank under siege. Unsure what to do, the two robbers camp out in the bank, holding all the workers hostage.
Detective Moretti (Durning) calls the bank to tell Sonny that the police have arrived. Sonny warns that he and Sal have hostages and will kill them if anyone tries to come into the bank. Detective Moretti acts as hostage negotiator, while FBI Agent Sheldon monitors his actions. Howard, the security guard, has an asthma attack, so Sonny releases him when Moretti asks for a hostage as a sign of good faith. Moretti convinces Sonny to step outside the bank to see how aggressive the police forces are. After a moment, Sonny starts his now-famous "Attica!" chant, a reference to the recent Attica Prison riot in which 39 people were killed, and the civilian crowd starts cheering for Sonny.
After realizing they cannot make a simple getaway, Sonny demands transportation: a jet to take them out of the country. When a tactical team approaches the back door, he fires a shot to warn them off. Moretti tries to persuade Sonny that those police were a separate unit that he was not controlling. Later, Sonny incites the crowd by throwing money over the police barricades. Some overrun the barricade and a few are arrested. When Sonny's wife, Leon Schermer (a transwoman) arrives, he reveals to the crowd and officials that Sonny is robbing the bank to pay for Leon's sex reassignment surgery and that Sonny also has a legal wife, Angie, and children.
As night sets in, the lights in the bank all shut off. Sonny goes outside again and discovers that Agent Sheldon has taken command of the scene. He refuses to give Sonny any more favors, but when the bank manager Mulvaney goes into a diabetic shock, Agent Sheldon lets a doctor through. While the doctor is inside the bank, Sheldon convinces Leon to talk to Sonny on the phone. The two have a lengthy conversation that reveals Leon had attempted suicide to "get away from" Sonny. He had been hospitalized at the psychiatric ward of Bellevue Hospital until the police brought him to the scene. Leon turns down Sonny's offer to join him and Sal to wherever they take the plane. Sonny tells police listening to the phone call that Leon had nothing to do with the robbery attempt.
After the phone call, the doctor asks Sonny to let Mulvaney leave and Sonny agrees. Mulvaney refuses, instead insisting he remain with his employees. The FBI calls Sonny out of the bank again. They have brought his mother to the scene. She unsuccessfully tries to persuade him to give himself up and Agent Sheldon signals that a limousine will arrive in ten minutes to take them to a waiting jet. Once back inside the bank, Sonny writes out his will, leaving money from his life insurance to Leon for his sex change and to his wife Angie.
When the limousine arrives, Sonny checks it for any hidden weapons or booby traps. When he decides the car is satisfactory, he settles on Agent Murphy to drive Sal, the remaining hostages and him to Kennedy Airport. Sonny sits in the front next to Murphy while Sal sits behind them. Murphy repeatedly asks Sal to point his gun at the roof so Sal won't accidentally shoot him. As they wait on the airport tarmac for the plane to taxi into position, Agent Sheldon forces Sonny's weapon onto the dashboard, creating a distraction which allows Murphy to pull a pistol hidden in his armrest and shoot Sal in the head. Sonny is immediately arrested and the hostages are all escorted to the terminal. The film ends with Sonny watching Sal's body being taken from the car on a stretcher.
The true life story
John Stanley "Sonny "Wojtowicz (March 9, 1945 - January 2, 2006) was an American bank robber whose story inspired the 1975 film Dog Day Afternoon.
Wojtowicz, who was bisexual, married his first wife, Carmen Bifulco, in 1967. They had two children, and separated in 1969. Wojtowicz met pre-operative transsexual Elizabeth Eden (then known as Ernest Aron) in 1971 at an Italian feast in New York City. Wojtowicz and Eden were married on December 4, 1971.
On August 22, 1972, Wojtowicz, along with Salvatore Naturile and Arthur Westenberg, attempted to rob a branch of the Chase Manhattan bank on the corner of East Third Street and Avenue P in Gravesend, Brooklyn. Wojtowicz and Naturile held seven Chase Manhattan bank employees hostage for 14 hours. Westernberg fled the scene before the robbery was underway when he saw a police car on the street. Wojtowicz, a former bank teller, had some knowledge of bank operations. However, he apparently based his plan on scenes from the movie The Godfather, which he had seen earlier that day.
The robbers became media celebrities. Wojtowicz was arrested, but Naturile was killed by the FBI during the final moments of the incident.
According to Wojtowicz, he was offered a deal for pleading guilty, which the court did not honor, and on April 23, 1973, he was sentenced to 20 years in Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary of which he served 14. He made $7,500 selling the movie rights to the story, and helped finance Eden's sex reassignment surgery with these funds. Wojtowicz was released from prison on April 10, 1987. In 2006, Time reported that Eden, 41, died of AIDS-related pneumonia in Rochester on September 29, 1987.
As powerful as anything ever recorded on celluloid.
32.14 (634rd pick) - John "Sonny" Wortzik in Dog Day Afternoon - Acting Performance
Al Pacino
synopsis of the movie
Dog Day Afternoon is a 1975 American crime drama film directed by Sidney Lumet and written by Frank Pierson. The film stars Al Pacino, John Cazale, Chris Sarandon, James Broderick, and Charles Durning. Based on the events of a bank robbery that took place on August 22, 1972, Dog Day Afternoon tells the story of John "Sonny" Wortzik, who, with his partner Salvatore Naturile, holds the employees of a Brooklyn, New York bank hostage the day after his pre-operative transgendered girlfriend was committed to a psychiatric hospital following a suicide attempt. The title refers to the "dog days of summer".
The film was inspired by P.F. Kluge's article "The Boys in the Bank", which tells a similar story of the robbery of a Brooklyn bank by John Wojtowicz and Salvatore Naturile. This article was published in Life in 1972. The film received generally positive reviews upon its September 1975 release by Warner Bros. Pictures, some of which referred to its anti-establishment tone. Dog Day Afternoon was nominated for several Academy Awards and Golden Globe awards, and won one Academy Award.
First-time crook Sonny Wortzik (Pacino) and his friend Sal (Cazale) show the intentions of robbing a Brooklyn bank, only to discover that it has very little money at the time. Their third accomplice loses his nerve, and runs off during the raid. They are then informed that the police have been tipped off and have the bank under siege. Unsure what to do, the two robbers camp out in the bank, holding all the workers hostage.
Detective Moretti (Durning) calls the bank to tell Sonny that the police have arrived. Sonny warns that he and Sal have hostages and will kill them if anyone tries to come into the bank. Detective Moretti acts as hostage negotiator, while FBI Agent Sheldon monitors his actions. Howard, the security guard, has an asthma attack, so Sonny releases him when Moretti asks for a hostage as a sign of good faith. Moretti convinces Sonny to step outside the bank to see how aggressive the police forces are. After a moment, Sonny starts his now-famous "Attica!" chant, a reference to the recent Attica Prison riot in which 39 people were killed, and the civilian crowd starts cheering for Sonny.
After realizing they cannot make a simple getaway, Sonny demands transportation: a jet to take them out of the country. When a tactical team approaches the back door, he fires a shot to warn them off. Moretti tries to persuade Sonny that those police were a separate unit that he was not controlling. Later, Sonny incites the crowd by throwing money over the police barricades. Some overrun the barricade and a few are arrested. When Sonny's wife, Leon Schermer (a transwoman) arrives, he reveals to the crowd and officials that Sonny is robbing the bank to pay for Leon's sex reassignment surgery and that Sonny also has a legal wife, Angie, and children.
As night sets in, the lights in the bank all shut off. Sonny goes outside again and discovers that Agent Sheldon has taken command of the scene. He refuses to give Sonny any more favors, but when the bank manager Mulvaney goes into a diabetic shock, Agent Sheldon lets a doctor through. While the doctor is inside the bank, Sheldon convinces Leon to talk to Sonny on the phone. The two have a lengthy conversation that reveals Leon had attempted suicide to "get away from" Sonny. He had been hospitalized at the psychiatric ward of Bellevue Hospital until the police brought him to the scene. Leon turns down Sonny's offer to join him and Sal to wherever they take the plane. Sonny tells police listening to the phone call that Leon had nothing to do with the robbery attempt.
After the phone call, the doctor asks Sonny to let Mulvaney leave and Sonny agrees. Mulvaney refuses, instead insisting he remain with his employees. The FBI calls Sonny out of the bank again. They have brought his mother to the scene. She unsuccessfully tries to persuade him to give himself up and Agent Sheldon signals that a limousine will arrive in ten minutes to take them to a waiting jet. Once back inside the bank, Sonny writes out his will, leaving money from his life insurance to Leon for his sex change and to his wife Angie.
When the limousine arrives, Sonny checks it for any hidden weapons or booby traps. When he decides the car is satisfactory, he settles on Agent Murphy to drive Sal, the remaining hostages and him to Kennedy Airport. Sonny sits in the front next to Murphy while Sal sits behind them. Murphy repeatedly asks Sal to point his gun at the roof so Sal won't accidentally shoot him. As they wait on the airport tarmac for the plane to taxi into position, Agent Sheldon forces Sonny's weapon onto the dashboard, creating a distraction which allows Murphy to pull a pistol hidden in his armrest and shoot Sal in the head. Sonny is immediately arrested and the hostages are all escorted to the terminal. The film ends with Sonny watching Sal's body being taken from the car on a stretcher.
The true life story
John Stanley "Sonny "Wojtowicz (March 9, 1945 - January 2, 2006) was an American bank robber whose story inspired the 1975 film Dog Day Afternoon.
Wojtowicz, who was bisexual, married his first wife, Carmen Bifulco, in 1967. They had two children, and separated in 1969. Wojtowicz met pre-operative transsexual Elizabeth Eden (then known as Ernest Aron) in 1971 at an Italian feast in New York City. Wojtowicz and Eden were married on December 4, 1971.
On August 22, 1972, Wojtowicz, along with Salvatore Naturile and Arthur Westenberg, attempted to rob a branch of the Chase Manhattan bank on the corner of East Third Street and Avenue P in Gravesend, Brooklyn. Wojtowicz and Naturile held seven Chase Manhattan bank employees hostage for 14 hours. Westernberg fled the scene before the robbery was underway when he saw a police car on the street. Wojtowicz, a former bank teller, had some knowledge of bank operations. However, he apparently based his plan on scenes from the movie The Godfather, which he had seen earlier that day.
The robbers became media celebrities. Wojtowicz was arrested, but Naturile was killed by the FBI during the final moments of the incident.
According to Wojtowicz, he was offered a deal for pleading guilty, which the court did not honor, and on April 23, 1973, he was sentenced to 20 years in Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary of which he served 14. He made $7,500 selling the movie rights to the story, and helped finance Eden's sex reassignment surgery with these funds. Wojtowicz was released from prison on April 10, 1987. In 2006, Time reported that Eden, 41, died of AIDS-related pneumonia in Rochester on September 29, 1987.
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Postradamus
Footballguy
taken by yankee BL.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Boy are you gonna hate me even more when you finally realize what you did here.
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krista4
Footballguy
Another invention near to my heart:
32.20 Eyeglasses (invention)
Around 1284 in Italy, Salvino D'Armate is credited with inventing the first wearable eye glasses.
Not only do they allow me to drive at night and to avoid inadvertently kissing someone not my husband, but they allow hipsters to exist and were central to one of the best comedies of all time, The Jerk.
Really, if eyeglasses weren't invented, people under 30 would rule the world. And that would suck.
32.20 Eyeglasses (invention)
Around 1284 in Italy, Salvino D'Armate is credited with inventing the first wearable eye glasses.
Not only do they allow me to drive at night and to avoid inadvertently kissing someone not my husband, but they allow hipsters to exist and were central to one of the best comedies of all time, The Jerk.
Really, if eyeglasses weren't invented, people under 30 would rule the world. And that would suck.
rodg12
Footballguy
anborn
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Just got here, and I will make my pick in a moment. First, a ruling on the multi-volume books. It's actually a little irrelevant, because I doubt anyone is going to take another volume once the first has been chosen. Is anyone actually going to select another Sean Connery as James Bond movie, for example, now that Goldfinger has been selected?
That being said, I hate to be vague about it, but it really depends on the selection. The Aristotle is fine. There are other picks that will be fine. There may be a few, however, where each work has always been treated as a separate entity and those are the ones we will most likely end up rejecting if someone attempts to link them altogether. For instance, if someone wanted all of the Star Wars films. Sorry I can't be more specific at this time; as these picks come up, we'll have to examine them one by one.
That being said, I hate to be vague about it, but it really depends on the selection. The Aristotle is fine. There are other picks that will be fine. There may be a few, however, where each work has always been treated as a separate entity and those are the ones we will most likely end up rejecting if someone attempts to link them altogether. For instance, if someone wanted all of the Star Wars films. Sorry I can't be more specific at this time; as these picks come up, we'll have to examine them one by one.
rodg12
Footballguy
33.02 - Mobile (Cell) Phone - Invention
Has fundamentally changed the way things are done in the modern world.
A mobile phone or mobile (also called cellphone and handphone, as well as cell phone, cellular phone, cell, wireless phone, cellular telephone, mobile telephone or cell telephone) is a long-range, electronic device used for mobile voice or data communication over a network of specialized base stations known as cell sites.
Gotta love this Zack Morris style baby
Coolest Thing Evah Here
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Has fundamentally changed the way things are done in the modern world.
A mobile phone or mobile (also called cellphone and handphone, as well as cell phone, cellular phone, cell, wireless phone, cellular telephone, mobile telephone or cell telephone) is a long-range, electronic device used for mobile voice or data communication over a network of specialized base stations known as cell sites.
Gotta love this Zack Morris style baby
Coolest Thing Evah Here
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
32.14 (634th Pick) The IDIOT* - Non-Fiction
BobbyLayne
*because honestly, you couldn't make this schtick up
Postradamus
Footballguy
yeah it probably should be, but I think we've encountered this before...
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Postradamus
Footballguy
very nice pick gb, was hoping no one would think of it.
krista4
Footballguy
rodg12
Footballguy
great pick... fwiw, this is a documentary imo.
anborn
Footballguy
at least thats where I was planning on taking it... (ie as a documentary)... but i was hoping to get it in 3 more rounds. back to the drawing board. i have no issue with it being listed ultimately as a TV program or a documentary. :twocents:nice pick again. its stunning on the HDTV.yeah it probably should be, but I think we've encountered this before...
Postradamus
Footballguy
Chiwawa
Footballguy
MisfitBlondes said:Fixed.
timschochet
Footballguy
32.17 Ralph Fiennes as Amon Goeth in Schindler's List
IMO, the two greatest portrayals of sheer evil I have ever seen on film are Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lector, and Ralph Fiennes as Amon Goeth. This is intriguing to me because they are portrayed as opposite as can be. Hopkin's Lector is man with no emotion behind his amusement. What's terrifying is that you sense an abyss there, a dark emptiness where his soul should be.
On the other hand, Fiennes' character is so remarkable precisely because he displays his soul and his emotional need to us. Fiennes' Goeth (who, although based on a real person, is essentially a fictional character created by Fiennes, Zalian (the scriptwriter) and Spielberg) allows us in, which Hopkins is careful not to do. It is such a brilliant performance because he manages to make the viewer actually empathetic to him. We know he's doing these terrible things, he has no justification, and yet we can see his pain, we can identify with him.
At the time I saw Schindler's List I had never heard of Fiennes before. Since then, of course, he's gone on to one great role after another. But I remember halfway through that film turning to my wife and whispering something like, "I don't know who this guy is, but this is one of the greatest acting performances I have ever seen in my life. And notice how he commands the camera's attention every time he's on screen."
I still feel that way today. Just an amazing, amazing performance.
IMO, the two greatest portrayals of sheer evil I have ever seen on film are Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lector, and Ralph Fiennes as Amon Goeth. This is intriguing to me because they are portrayed as opposite as can be. Hopkin's Lector is man with no emotion behind his amusement. What's terrifying is that you sense an abyss there, a dark emptiness where his soul should be.
On the other hand, Fiennes' character is so remarkable precisely because he displays his soul and his emotional need to us. Fiennes' Goeth (who, although based on a real person, is essentially a fictional character created by Fiennes, Zalian (the scriptwriter) and Spielberg) allows us in, which Hopkins is careful not to do. It is such a brilliant performance because he manages to make the viewer actually empathetic to him. We know he's doing these terrible things, he has no justification, and yet we can see his pain, we can identify with him.
At the time I saw Schindler's List I had never heard of Fiennes before. Since then, of course, he's gone on to one great role after another. But I remember halfway through that film turning to my wife and whispering something like, "I don't know who this guy is, but this is one of the greatest acting performances I have ever seen in my life. And notice how he commands the camera's attention every time he's on screen."
I still feel that way today. Just an amazing, amazing performance.
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northern exposure
Footballguy
You are one of those people I have to Shhhh! at the movie theater aren't you?
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krista4
Footballguy
One of my favorites.
timschochet
Footballguy
33.04 On Liberty by John Stuart Mill (non-fiction)
On Liberty is a philosophical work by 19th century English philosopher John Stuart Mill, first published in 1859. To the Victorian readers of the time it was a radical work, advocating moral and economic freedom of individuals from the state.
Perhaps the most memorable point made by Mill in this work, and his basis for liberty, is that "Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign". Mill is compelled to say this in opposition to what he calls the "tyranny of the majority", wherein through control of etiquette and morality, society is an unelected power that can do horrific things. Mill's work could be considered a reaction to this social control by the majority and his advocacy of individual decision-making over the self. The famous 'Harm Principle' is also articulated in this work: people can do anything they like as long as it does not harm others. All branches of liberalism—as well as other political ideologies—consider this to be one of their core principles. However, they often disagree on what exactly constitutes harm.
On Liberty was an enormously influential work; the ideas presented within it remain the basis of much political thought since. Aside from the popularity of the ideas themselves, it is quite short and its themes easily accessible to a non-expert. It has remained in print continuously since its initial publication. To this day, a copy of On Liberty has been passed to the president of the British Liberals and then Liberal Democrats as a symbol of office and succession from the party that Mill helped found.
On Liberty is a philosophical work by 19th century English philosopher John Stuart Mill, first published in 1859. To the Victorian readers of the time it was a radical work, advocating moral and economic freedom of individuals from the state.
Perhaps the most memorable point made by Mill in this work, and his basis for liberty, is that "Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign". Mill is compelled to say this in opposition to what he calls the "tyranny of the majority", wherein through control of etiquette and morality, society is an unelected power that can do horrific things. Mill's work could be considered a reaction to this social control by the majority and his advocacy of individual decision-making over the self. The famous 'Harm Principle' is also articulated in this work: people can do anything they like as long as it does not harm others. All branches of liberalism—as well as other political ideologies—consider this to be one of their core principles. However, they often disagree on what exactly constitutes harm.
On Liberty was an enormously influential work; the ideas presented within it remain the basis of much political thought since. Aside from the popularity of the ideas themselves, it is quite short and its themes easily accessible to a non-expert. It has remained in print continuously since its initial publication. To this day, a copy of On Liberty has been passed to the president of the British Liberals and then Liberal Democrats as a symbol of office and succession from the party that Mill helped found.
BobbyLayne
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“ I am what is called a narrative historian. Narrative history is getting more popular all the time but it's not a question of twisting the facts into a narrative. It's not a question of anything like that. What it is, is discovering the plot that's there just as the painter discovered the colors in shadows or Renoir discovered these children. I maintain that anything you can possibly learn about putting words together in a narrative form by writing novels is especially valuable to you when you write history. There is no great difference between writing novels and writing histories other than this: If you have a character named Lincoln in a novel that's not Abraham Lincoln, you can give him any color eyes you want to. But if you want to describe the color of Abraham Lincoln's, President Lincoln's eyes, you have to know what color they were. They were gray. So you're working with facts that came out of documents, just like in a novel you are working with facts that came out of your head or most likely out of your memory. Once you have control of those facts, once you possess them, you can handle them exactly as a novelist handles his facts. No good novelist would be false to his facts, and certainly no historian is allowed to be false to his facts under any circumstances. I've never known, at least a modern historical instance, where the truth wasn't superior to distortion in every way. ”
—at the New York State Writers Institute, March 20, 1997
You mother####ers better not have taken this one too.
32.14 (634rd pick) - The Civil War: A Narrative - Non-fiction
Shelby Foote
The Civil War: A Narrative (1958-1974) is a three volume, 2,968-page, 1.2 million-word history of the American Civil War by Shelby Foote. Although previously known as a novelist, Foote is most famous for this non-fictional narrative history. While it touches on political and social themes, the main thrust of the work is military history. The individual volumes include Fort Sumter to Perryville (1958), Fredericksburg to Meridian (1963), and Red River to Appomattox (1974).
WRITING
On the strength of his novel Shiloh, Random House asked Foote for a short Civil War history. Foote soon realized that the project would require much more time and energy. Random House agreed, and using the money from his 1955 Guggenheim Fellowship (Foote won Guggenheims also in 1956 and 1959), Foote set out to write the trilogy's first volume, Fort Sumter to Perryville. This 400,000-word account was published in 1958. By 1963 Foote had finished the second volume, Fredericksburg to Meridian.
In 1964 he began Volume 3, Red River to Appomattox, but found himself repeatedly distracted by the ongoing events in the nation and was not able to finish and publish it until 1974. Writing the third volume took as many years as had the first two combined.
VOLUMES
Fort Sumter to Perryville
The first volume covers the roots of the war to the Battle of Perryville on October 8, 1862. All the significant battles are here, from Bull Run through Shiloh, the Seven Days Battles, Second Bull Run to Antietam, and Perryville in the fall of 1862, but so are the smaller and often equally important engagements on both land and sea: Ball's Bluff, Fort Donelson, Pea Ridge, Island No. Ten, New Orleans, Monitor versus Merrimac, and Stonewall Jackson's Valley Campaign.
Fredericksburg to Meridian
The second volume is dominated by the almost continual confrontation of great armies. The starting point for this volume is the Battle of Fredericksburg, fought on December 13, 1862, between General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of the Potomac commanded by Maj. Gen. Ambrose E. Burnside. For the fourth time, the Army of the Potomac attempts to take Richmond, resulting in the bloodbath at Fredericksburg. Then Joseph Hooker tries again, only to be repulsed at Chancellorsville as Stonewall Jackson turns his flank, resulting in Jackson's mortal wounding.
In the West, one of the most complex and determined sieges of the war has begun. Here, Ulysses S. Grant's seven relentless efforts against Vicksburg demonstrate Lincoln's and Grant's determination. With Vicksburg finally under siege, Lee again invades the North. The three-day conflict at Gettysburg receives significant coverage. (The lengthy chapter on Gettysburg has also been published as a separate book, Stars in Their Courses: The Gettysburg Campaign, June-July 1863; his account of Vicksburg was published separately as The Beleaguered City: The Vicksburg Campaign, December 1862-July 1863.)
Red River to Appomattox
Foote brings to a close the story of four years of turmoil and strife that altered American life forever. The final volume opens with the beginning of the two final, major confrontations of the war: Grant against Lee in Virginia, and Sherman pressing Johnston in North Georgia in 1864. The narrative describes the events and battles from Sherman's March to the Sea to Lincoln's assassination and the surrender of Lee at Appomattox.
Most folks know him as the man with the silver goatee commenting in frequent interviews throughout Ken Burns Civil War. Bruce Catton - himself a Pulitzer Prize narrative historian - once said "If nothing else, history ought to be a good yarn". No one tells a better story than Shelby Foote.
Shelby Foote died four years this month. It is rare when the death of a celebrity affects me in any way whatsoever, but I wept that day. I met him at a symposium years ago, and he was so down to earth, genuine, and just damn funny. I reread his three volumes often. It is not an exhaustive account, and unlike many ACW studies, it is not well footnoted. It is simply pure joy to read.
—at the New York State Writers Institute, March 20, 1997
You mother####ers better not have taken this one too.
32.14 (634rd pick) - The Civil War: A Narrative - Non-fiction
Shelby Foote
The Civil War: A Narrative (1958-1974) is a three volume, 2,968-page, 1.2 million-word history of the American Civil War by Shelby Foote. Although previously known as a novelist, Foote is most famous for this non-fictional narrative history. While it touches on political and social themes, the main thrust of the work is military history. The individual volumes include Fort Sumter to Perryville (1958), Fredericksburg to Meridian (1963), and Red River to Appomattox (1974).
WRITING
On the strength of his novel Shiloh, Random House asked Foote for a short Civil War history. Foote soon realized that the project would require much more time and energy. Random House agreed, and using the money from his 1955 Guggenheim Fellowship (Foote won Guggenheims also in 1956 and 1959), Foote set out to write the trilogy's first volume, Fort Sumter to Perryville. This 400,000-word account was published in 1958. By 1963 Foote had finished the second volume, Fredericksburg to Meridian.
In 1964 he began Volume 3, Red River to Appomattox, but found himself repeatedly distracted by the ongoing events in the nation and was not able to finish and publish it until 1974. Writing the third volume took as many years as had the first two combined.
VOLUMES
Fort Sumter to Perryville
The first volume covers the roots of the war to the Battle of Perryville on October 8, 1862. All the significant battles are here, from Bull Run through Shiloh, the Seven Days Battles, Second Bull Run to Antietam, and Perryville in the fall of 1862, but so are the smaller and often equally important engagements on both land and sea: Ball's Bluff, Fort Donelson, Pea Ridge, Island No. Ten, New Orleans, Monitor versus Merrimac, and Stonewall Jackson's Valley Campaign.
Fredericksburg to Meridian
The second volume is dominated by the almost continual confrontation of great armies. The starting point for this volume is the Battle of Fredericksburg, fought on December 13, 1862, between General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of the Potomac commanded by Maj. Gen. Ambrose E. Burnside. For the fourth time, the Army of the Potomac attempts to take Richmond, resulting in the bloodbath at Fredericksburg. Then Joseph Hooker tries again, only to be repulsed at Chancellorsville as Stonewall Jackson turns his flank, resulting in Jackson's mortal wounding.
In the West, one of the most complex and determined sieges of the war has begun. Here, Ulysses S. Grant's seven relentless efforts against Vicksburg demonstrate Lincoln's and Grant's determination. With Vicksburg finally under siege, Lee again invades the North. The three-day conflict at Gettysburg receives significant coverage. (The lengthy chapter on Gettysburg has also been published as a separate book, Stars in Their Courses: The Gettysburg Campaign, June-July 1863; his account of Vicksburg was published separately as The Beleaguered City: The Vicksburg Campaign, December 1862-July 1863.)
Red River to Appomattox
Foote brings to a close the story of four years of turmoil and strife that altered American life forever. The final volume opens with the beginning of the two final, major confrontations of the war: Grant against Lee in Virginia, and Sherman pressing Johnston in North Georgia in 1864. The narrative describes the events and battles from Sherman's March to the Sea to Lincoln's assassination and the surrender of Lee at Appomattox.
Most folks know him as the man with the silver goatee commenting in frequent interviews throughout Ken Burns Civil War. Bruce Catton - himself a Pulitzer Prize narrative historian - once said "If nothing else, history ought to be a good yarn". No one tells a better story than Shelby Foote.
Shelby Foote died four years this month. It is rare when the death of a celebrity affects me in any way whatsoever, but I wept that day. I met him at a symposium years ago, and he was so down to earth, genuine, and just damn funny. I reread his three volumes often. It is not an exhaustive account, and unlike many ACW studies, it is not well footnoted. It is simply pure joy to read.
rodg12
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timschochet
Footballguy
Shelby Foote's work is soooo good. It reads like a novel as the best narrative histories do. Just a great work.
timschochet
Footballguy
I'm afraid we're going to have to do something about Doug B. I've been putting this off, hoping he would return, but it's not looking good, and the picks just keep piling up. Here, as I see it, are the options:
1. Leave it alone and wait for Doug to return. If he doesn't return, we just become a 19 person draft.
2. Replace Doug as we did wikkidpissah.
3. Give Doug a few days more; THEN replace him if he doesn't show up.
Any houghts on this? I want to hear what people think and then decide later on today. My first inclination is # 1.
1. Leave it alone and wait for Doug to return. If he doesn't return, we just become a 19 person draft.
2. Replace Doug as we did wikkidpissah.
3. Give Doug a few days more; THEN replace him if he doesn't show up.
Any houghts on this? I want to hear what people think and then decide later on today. My first inclination is # 1.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Alright, alright. I'll make my picls.
32.15 Luigi Pirandello's Six Characters In Search of An Author (Play)
I love chaos in stage performances, and this has plenty of it. Lots of room for interpretation, creativity and scenery-chewing while still adhering to a tight narrative. There's plenty written about the play itself, but the dry elaborations concerning its impact and meaning don't do justice to the sheer entertainment value of the idea behind the play and its execution.
32.15 Luigi Pirandello's Six Characters In Search of An Author (Play)
I love chaos in stage performances, and this has plenty of it. Lots of room for interpretation, creativity and scenery-chewing while still adhering to a tight narrative. There's plenty written about the play itself, but the dry elaborations concerning its impact and meaning don't do justice to the sheer entertainment value of the idea behind the play and its execution.
Gotta say, I'm surprised and impressed at the number of works in this draft that were met with outrage upon their debuts.
Postradamus
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he said to give him til wednesday I think. lets wait for a day or two.
Joe Paterno
Footballguy
Could I nominate myself? I know I'm a lurker, but I've been fascinated with this entire process. Great writeup on Schindler's List--that performance is one of those that just sticks with you. You find yourself dwelling on it at the most random times--and how subtly he let you into his psyche.
Uncle Humuna
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krista4
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Drafter - option #1. He will be around, one way or another, and let us know his intentions. I have no doubt whatsoever about that.
Triumvirate - option #2. I don't care who. ASAP the better.
Triumvirate - option #2. I don't care who. ASAP the better.
