Official Great Works Draft (4 Viewers)

[Abrantes]

I'm afraid we're going to have to do something about Doug B. I've been putting this off, hoping he would return, but it's not looking good, and the picks just keep piling up. Here, as I see it, are the options:1. Leave it alone and wait for Doug to return. If he doesn't return, we just become a 19 person draft.2. Replace Doug as we did wikkidpissah.3. Give Doug a few days more; THEN replace him if he doesn't show up. Any houghts on this? I want to hear what people think and then decide later on today. My first inclination is # 1.

I'm fine with #1.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

1

 

[BobbyLayne]

Abrantes - I like you a little less everyday.

I liked you a lot as an iFriend to start out with, so we have ways to go.

Two straight drafts following you has been no fun tat tall.

You got 33.06 ready? I'm heading out for dinner but have 33.07 picked.

 

[Abrantes]

Abrantes - I like you a little less everyday.I liked you a lot as an iFriend to start out with, so we have ways to go.Two straight drafts following you has been no fun tat tall.You got 33.06 ready? I'm heading out for dinner but have 33.07 picked.

Just go ahead and pick. I like to overthink every selection.

 

[timschochet]

Looks like a unanimous #1. We do nothing and if he doesn't return, we stay at 19. Sorry, Joe Paterno. If something changes, I will pm you.

As far as a third judge to replace Doug- let's go with Rodg12, if no one objects.

 

[rodg12]

I'm afraid we're going to have to do something about Doug B. I've been putting this off, hoping he would return, but it's not looking good, and the picks just keep piling up. Here, as I see it, are the options:1. Leave it alone and wait for Doug to return. If he doesn't return, we just become a 19 person draft.2. Replace Doug as we did wikkidpissah.3. Give Doug a few days more; THEN replace him if he doesn't show up. Any houghts on this? I want to hear what people think and then decide later on today. My first inclination is # 1.

#1.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Thanks, Abrantes - I just don't want to hold the draft up, will be out for a few hours.

Will come back later with my fancy smancy fonts and writeup.

33.07 - Heart of Darkness - Novel(la)

Joseph Conrad

Also, you may have noticed I have been providing marketing posts for other drafters. If you took a pick that didn't get enough love, I will post a spectacular writeup to highlight the great choice you made 5 or 10 rounds ago. Fees are reasonable and negotiable. Send me a PM if interested.

 

[Big Rocks]

We should invite larry_boy_44 to join the draft.

 

[Big Rocks]

Did Tides want to be back on autoskip?

 

[Postradamus]

Whole lotta smart up in this thread.

Thanks, guy.

He wasnt talking to you.

rimshot

 

[Postradamus]

Whole lotta smart up in this thread.

Thanks, guy.

He wasnt talking to you.

rimshot

Your team sucks.

take it back.

 

[Abrantes]

33.06 Gustav Holst's The Planets (Composition)

Bummed that I can't have Mahler's 9th, but as far as personal taste goes, I'm more than happy to finish off my compositions with The Planets. Amazing work that has seeped into popular culture, and even if you don't recognize the pieces by name, there's a good chance you've heard one of its movements somewhere, or works influenced by them. Powerful, iconic work.

 

[Abrantes]

33.06 Gustav Holst's The Planets (Composition)

Was playing this in the car today.

I thank my brother's percussionist girlfriend for getting me into this one. It's awesome.

 

[YSR]

Whole lotta smart up in this thread.

Thanks, guy.

He wasnt talking to you.

rimshot

Your team sucks.

No, he's right. I wasn't talking to you.

 

[Fennis]

'Jun 2 2009, 02:37 PM' post='10403599']

'Jun 2 2009, 03:03 PM' post='10403703']

Tim, serious question. Do you drive your wife crazy with your snap decisions and reversals? You posed a question and then announced an anonymous decision in 26 minutes.Btw, I do think you're doing a bang up job as commish, and you have a thankless job, but man.... that emoticon should be called :tim_rapid_decison: because thats what I want to do. The only thing worse is when you change your mind 5 posts later.Anyway, not trying to bash you, even tho I just did.

 

[El Floppo]

'Jun 2 2009, 02:37 PM' post='10403599']

'Jun 2 2009, 03:03 PM' post='10403703']

Tim, serious question. Do you drive your wife crazy with your snap decisions and reversals? You posed a question and then announced an anonymous decision in 26 minutes.Btw, I do think you're doing a bang up job as commish, and you have a thankless job, but man.... that emoticon should be called :tim_rapid_decison: because thats what I want to do. The only thing worse is when you change your mind 5 posts later.Anyway, not trying to bash you, even tho I just did.

can somebody recap what I voted on as part of this "unanimous" outcome?

 

[El Floppo]

Do I owe a pick?

 

[Fennis]

Team Fennis is going to follow the brilliance of the eyeglasses pick with another invention. Guess it wasn't a good idea to bash the commissioner before taking this pick:

33.01 The Wheel - Invention

Most authorities regard the wheel as one of the oldest and most important inventions, which originated in ancient Mesopotamia in the 5th millennium BC.originally in the function of potter's wheels. Near the northern side of the Caucasus several graves were found, in which since 3700 BC people had been buried on wagons or carts (both types). The earliest depiction of what may be a wheeled vehicle (here a wagon—four wheels, two axles), is on the Bronocice pot, a ca. 3500 BC clay pot excavated in southern Poland.[4]

The wheel reached Europe and Western Asia in the 4th millennium BC, and the Indus Valley by the 3rd millennium BC. In China, the wheel is certainly present with the adoption of the chariot in ca. 1200 BC,[5] although Barbieri-Low (2000) argues for earlier Chinese wheeled vehicles, circa 2000 BC. Whether there was an independent "invention of the wheel" in East Asia or whether the concept made its way there after jumping the Himalayan barrier remains an open question.

Although they did not develop the wheel proper, the Olmec and certain other western hemisphere cultures seem to have approached it, as wheel-like worked stones have been found on objects identified as children's toys dating to about 1500 BC. Early antiquity Nubians used wheels for spinning pottery and waterwheels.[6][7] It is thought that Nubian waterwheels may have been ox-driven[8] It is also known that Nubians used horse-driven chariots imported from Egypt.[9]

The invention of the wheel thus falls in the late Neolithic, and may be seen in conjunction with the other technological advances that gave rise to the early Bronze Age. Note that this implies the passage of several wheel-less millennia even after the invention of agriculture. Looking back even further, it is of some interest that although paleoanthropologists now date the emergence of anatomically modern humans to ca.150,000 years ago, 143,000 of those years were "wheel-less". That people with capacities fully equal to our own walked the earth for so long before conceiving of the wheel may be initially surprising, but populations were extremely small through most of this period and the wheel, which requires an axle and socket to actually be useful, is not as simple a device as it may seem. Making and balancing a wheel requires a skilled wheelwright.

Wide usage of the wheel was probably delayed because smooth roads were needed for wheels to be effective.[10] Carrying goods on the back would have been the preferred method of transportation over surfaces that contained many obstacles. The lack of developed roads prevented wide adoption of the wheel for transportation until well into the 20th century in less developed areas.

Early wheels were simple wooden disks with a hole for the axle. Because of the structure of wood a horizontal slice of a trunk is not suitable, as it does not have the structural strength to support weight without collapsing; rounded pieces of longitudinal boards are required.

The spoked wheel was invented more recently, and allowed the construction of lighter and swifter vehicles. The earliest known examples are in the context of the Andronovo culture, dating to ca 2000 BC. Shortly later, horse cultures of the Caucasus region used horse-drawn spoked-wheel war chariots for the greater part of three centuries. They moved deep into the Greek peninsula where they joined with the existing Mediterranean peoples to give rise, eventually, to classical Greece after the breaking of Minoan dominance and consolidations led by pre-classical Sparta and Athens. Celtic chariots introduced an iron rim around the wheel in the 1st millennium BC. The spoked wheel had been in continued use without major modification until the 1870s CE, when wire wheels and pneumatic tires were invented.[11]

The invention of the wheel has also been important for technology in general, important applications including the water wheel, the cogwheel (see also antikythera mechanism), the spinning wheel, and the astrolabe or torquetum. More modern descendants of the wheel include the propeller, the jet engine, the flywheel (gyroscope) and the turbine.

This rule is not being followed, so I think the wheel is clearly eligible: Need not be attributable to one person, but the discovery must be known. For instance, we don't know when fire was discovered, or the wheel, so these would be ineligible. We do know when a/c was discovered, so this would be eligible.

 

[El Floppo]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

 

[El Floppo]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

eta:

 

[Bonzai]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

eta:

Speaking of which, what's that in your avatar? Always wondered that.

 

[timschochet]

I realize that I have allowed the invention rule to be stretched, because the original wording was too tight to encompass human achievement. The problem with the wheel as a selection is that I specifically mentioned it in the OP as not allowable: Probably I should not have, but I did. Therefore for you to take it now would be unfair to every other drafter who considered this choice and did not take it because of what I wrote. So I have to disallow this choice, and I'm really sorry about that; if anything, the fault is mine, not yours. You're welcome to appeal.

 

[krista4]

Team Fennis is going to follow the brilliance of the eyeglasses pick with another invention. Guess it wasn't a good idea to bash the commissioner before taking this pick:

33.01 The Wheel - Invention

Most authorities regard the wheel as one of the oldest and most important inventions, which originated in ancient Mesopotamia in the 5th millennium BC.originally in the function of potter's wheels. Near the northern side of the Caucasus several graves were found, in which since 3700 BC people had been buried on wagons or carts (both types). The earliest depiction of what may be a wheeled vehicle (here a wagon—four wheels, two axles), is on the Bronocice pot, a ca. 3500 BC clay pot excavated in southern Poland.[4]

The wheel reached Europe and Western Asia in the 4th millennium BC, and the Indus Valley by the 3rd millennium BC. In China, the wheel is certainly present with the adoption of the chariot in ca. 1200 BC,[5] although Barbieri-Low (2000) argues for earlier Chinese wheeled vehicles, circa 2000 BC. Whether there was an independent "invention of the wheel" in East Asia or whether the concept made its way there after jumping the Himalayan barrier remains an open question.

Although they did not develop the wheel proper, the Olmec and certain other western hemisphere cultures seem to have approached it, as wheel-like worked stones have been found on objects identified as children's toys dating to about 1500 BC. Early antiquity Nubians used wheels for spinning pottery and waterwheels.[6][7] It is thought that Nubian waterwheels may have been ox-driven[8] It is also known that Nubians used horse-driven chariots imported from Egypt.[9]

The invention of the wheel thus falls in the late Neolithic, and may be seen in conjunction with the other technological advances that gave rise to the early Bronze Age. Note that this implies the passage of several wheel-less millennia even after the invention of agriculture. Looking back even further, it is of some interest that although paleoanthropologists now date the emergence of anatomically modern humans to ca.150,000 years ago, 143,000 of those years were "wheel-less". That people with capacities fully equal to our own walked the earth for so long before conceiving of the wheel may be initially surprising, but populations were extremely small through most of this period and the wheel, which requires an axle and socket to actually be useful, is not as simple a device as it may seem. Making and balancing a wheel requires a skilled wheelwright.

Wide usage of the wheel was probably delayed because smooth roads were needed for wheels to be effective.[10] Carrying goods on the back would have been the preferred method of transportation over surfaces that contained many obstacles. The lack of developed roads prevented wide adoption of the wheel for transportation until well into the 20th century in less developed areas.

Early wheels were simple wooden disks with a hole for the axle. Because of the structure of wood a horizontal slice of a trunk is not suitable, as it does not have the structural strength to support weight without collapsing; rounded pieces of longitudinal boards are required.

The spoked wheel was invented more recently, and allowed the construction of lighter and swifter vehicles. The earliest known examples are in the context of the Andronovo culture, dating to ca 2000 BC. Shortly later, horse cultures of the Caucasus region used horse-drawn spoked-wheel war chariots for the greater part of three centuries. They moved deep into the Greek peninsula where they joined with the existing Mediterranean peoples to give rise, eventually, to classical Greece after the breaking of Minoan dominance and consolidations led by pre-classical Sparta and Athens. Celtic chariots introduced an iron rim around the wheel in the 1st millennium BC. The spoked wheel had been in continued use without major modification until the 1870s CE, when wire wheels and pneumatic tires were invented.[11]

The invention of the wheel has also been important for technology in general, important applications including the water wheel, the cogwheel (see also antikythera mechanism), the spinning wheel, and the astrolabe or torquetum. More modern descendants of the wheel include the propeller, the jet engine, the flywheel (gyroscope) and the turbine.

This rule is not being followed, so I think the wheel is clearly eligible: Need not be attributable to one person, but the discovery must be known. For instance, we don't know when fire was discovered, or the wheel, so these would be ineligible. We do know when a/c was discovered, so this would be eligible.

I've never been able to make the distinction between stirrup or gunpowder on the one hand and wheel on the other. That said, since it was specifically stated as not acceptable, WHY IS MY PARTNER MAKING TROUBLE?

 

[Abrantes]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

42.

 

[krista4]

I realize that I have allowed the invention rule to be stretched, because the original wording was too tight to encompass human achievement. The problem with the wheel as a selection is that I specifically mentioned it in the OP as not allowable: Probably I should not have, but I did. Therefore for you to take it now would be unfair to every other drafter who considered this choice and did not take it because of what I wrote. So I have to disallow this choice, and I'm really sorry about that; if anything, the fault is mine, not yours. You're welcome to appeal.

 

[flysack]

I think I just put my foot in my mouth.

Sounds like your diet has improved.

That's a matter of opinion. Personally, I think it's worsened. As I've aged my flexibility has declined and I can no longer do the ultimate situp.

 

[timschochet]

'Jun 2 2009, 02:37 PM' post='10403599']

'Jun 2 2009, 03:03 PM' post='10403703']

Tim, serious question. Do you drive your wife crazy with your snap decisions and reversals? You posed a question and then announced an anonymous decision in 26 minutes.Btw, I do think you're doing a bang up job as commish, and you have a thankless job, but man.... that emoticon should be called :tim_rapid_decison: because thats what I want to do. The only thing worse is when you change your mind 5 posts later.Anyway, not trying to bash you, even tho I just did.

It seemed like so many people were for it that I figured it made no sense to belabor it.

 

[El Floppo]

Just going over my picks on page 1... Painting, Prodigal Son by Rembrandt is not mine.

 

[Fennis]

Team Fennis is going to follow the brilliance of the eyeglasses pick with another invention. Guess it wasn't a good idea to bash the commissioner before taking this pick:

33.01 The Wheel - Invention

Most authorities regard the wheel as one of the oldest and most important inventions, which originated in ancient Mesopotamia in the 5th millennium BC.originally in the function of potter's wheels. Near the northern side of the Caucasus several graves were found, in which since 3700 BC people had been buried on wagons or carts (both types). The earliest depiction of what may be a wheeled vehicle (here a wagon—four wheels, two axles), is on the Bronocice pot, a ca. 3500 BC clay pot excavated in southern Poland.[4]

The wheel reached Europe and Western Asia in the 4th millennium BC, and the Indus Valley by the 3rd millennium BC. In China, the wheel is certainly present with the adoption of the chariot in ca. 1200 BC,[5] although Barbieri-Low (2000) argues for earlier Chinese wheeled vehicles, circa 2000 BC. Whether there was an independent "invention of the wheel" in East Asia or whether the concept made its way there after jumping the Himalayan barrier remains an open question.

Although they did not develop the wheel proper, the Olmec and certain other western hemisphere cultures seem to have approached it, as wheel-like worked stones have been found on objects identified as children's toys dating to about 1500 BC. Early antiquity Nubians used wheels for spinning pottery and waterwheels.[6][7] It is thought that Nubian waterwheels may have been ox-driven[8] It is also known that Nubians used horse-driven chariots imported from Egypt.[9]

The invention of the wheel thus falls in the late Neolithic, and may be seen in conjunction with the other technological advances that gave rise to the early Bronze Age. Note that this implies the passage of several wheel-less millennia even after the invention of agriculture. Looking back even further, it is of some interest that although paleoanthropologists now date the emergence of anatomically modern humans to ca.150,000 years ago, 143,000 of those years were "wheel-less". That people with capacities fully equal to our own walked the earth for so long before conceiving of the wheel may be initially surprising, but populations were extremely small through most of this period and the wheel, which requires an axle and socket to actually be useful, is not as simple a device as it may seem. Making and balancing a wheel requires a skilled wheelwright.

Wide usage of the wheel was probably delayed because smooth roads were needed for wheels to be effective.[10] Carrying goods on the back would have been the preferred method of transportation over surfaces that contained many obstacles. The lack of developed roads prevented wide adoption of the wheel for transportation until well into the 20th century in less developed areas.

Early wheels were simple wooden disks with a hole for the axle. Because of the structure of wood a horizontal slice of a trunk is not suitable, as it does not have the structural strength to support weight without collapsing; rounded pieces of longitudinal boards are required.

The spoked wheel was invented more recently, and allowed the construction of lighter and swifter vehicles. The earliest known examples are in the context of the Andronovo culture, dating to ca 2000 BC. Shortly later, horse cultures of the Caucasus region used horse-drawn spoked-wheel war chariots for the greater part of three centuries. They moved deep into the Greek peninsula where they joined with the existing Mediterranean peoples to give rise, eventually, to classical Greece after the breaking of Minoan dominance and consolidations led by pre-classical Sparta and Athens. Celtic chariots introduced an iron rim around the wheel in the 1st millennium BC. The spoked wheel had been in continued use without major modification until the 1870s CE, when wire wheels and pneumatic tires were invented.[11]

The invention of the wheel has also been important for technology in general, important applications including the water wheel, the cogwheel (see also antikythera mechanism), the spinning wheel, and the astrolabe or torquetum. More modern descendants of the wheel include the propeller, the jet engine, the flywheel (gyroscope) and the turbine.

This rule is not being followed, so I think the wheel is clearly eligible: Need not be attributable to one person, but the discovery must be known. For instance, we don't know when fire was discovered, or the wheel, so these would be ineligible. We do know when a/c was discovered, so this would be eligible.

I've never been able to make the distinction between stirrup or gunpowder on the one hand and wheel on the other. That said, since it was specifically stated as not acceptable, WHY IS MY PARTNER MAKING TROUBLE?

Stressful day at work and I don’t want to kick the dog.

 

[rodg12]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

eta:

Helpful Link

 

[El Floppo]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

42.

2/10

 

[timschochet]

Just going over my picks on page 1... Painting, Prodigal Son by Rembrandt is not mine.

Thanks. I will correct. There's probably more than one of these. If everyone will please look from time to time?

 

[krista4]

Team Fennis is going to follow the brilliance of the eyeglasses pick with another invention. Guess it wasn't a good idea to bash the commissioner before taking this pick:

33.01 The Wheel - Invention

Most authorities regard the wheel as one of the oldest and most important inventions, which originated in ancient Mesopotamia in the 5th millennium BC.originally in the function of potter's wheels. Near the northern side of the Caucasus several graves were found, in which since 3700 BC people had been buried on wagons or carts (both types). The earliest depiction of what may be a wheeled vehicle (here a wagon—four wheels, two axles), is on the Bronocice pot, a ca. 3500 BC clay pot excavated in southern Poland.[4]

The wheel reached Europe and Western Asia in the 4th millennium BC, and the Indus Valley by the 3rd millennium BC. In China, the wheel is certainly present with the adoption of the chariot in ca. 1200 BC,[5] although Barbieri-Low (2000) argues for earlier Chinese wheeled vehicles, circa 2000 BC. Whether there was an independent "invention of the wheel" in East Asia or whether the concept made its way there after jumping the Himalayan barrier remains an open question.

Although they did not develop the wheel proper, the Olmec and certain other western hemisphere cultures seem to have approached it, as wheel-like worked stones have been found on objects identified as children's toys dating to about 1500 BC. Early antiquity Nubians used wheels for spinning pottery and waterwheels.[6][7] It is thought that Nubian waterwheels may have been ox-driven[8] It is also known that Nubians used horse-driven chariots imported from Egypt.[9]

The invention of the wheel thus falls in the late Neolithic, and may be seen in conjunction with the other technological advances that gave rise to the early Bronze Age. Note that this implies the passage of several wheel-less millennia even after the invention of agriculture. Looking back even further, it is of some interest that although paleoanthropologists now date the emergence of anatomically modern humans to ca.150,000 years ago, 143,000 of those years were "wheel-less". That people with capacities fully equal to our own walked the earth for so long before conceiving of the wheel may be initially surprising, but populations were extremely small through most of this period and the wheel, which requires an axle and socket to actually be useful, is not as simple a device as it may seem. Making and balancing a wheel requires a skilled wheelwright.

Wide usage of the wheel was probably delayed because smooth roads were needed for wheels to be effective.[10] Carrying goods on the back would have been the preferred method of transportation over surfaces that contained many obstacles. The lack of developed roads prevented wide adoption of the wheel for transportation until well into the 20th century in less developed areas.

Early wheels were simple wooden disks with a hole for the axle. Because of the structure of wood a horizontal slice of a trunk is not suitable, as it does not have the structural strength to support weight without collapsing; rounded pieces of longitudinal boards are required.

The spoked wheel was invented more recently, and allowed the construction of lighter and swifter vehicles. The earliest known examples are in the context of the Andronovo culture, dating to ca 2000 BC. Shortly later, horse cultures of the Caucasus region used horse-drawn spoked-wheel war chariots for the greater part of three centuries. They moved deep into the Greek peninsula where they joined with the existing Mediterranean peoples to give rise, eventually, to classical Greece after the breaking of Minoan dominance and consolidations led by pre-classical Sparta and Athens. Celtic chariots introduced an iron rim around the wheel in the 1st millennium BC. The spoked wheel had been in continued use without major modification until the 1870s CE, when wire wheels and pneumatic tires were invented.[11]

The invention of the wheel has also been important for technology in general, important applications including the water wheel, the cogwheel (see also antikythera mechanism), the spinning wheel, and the astrolabe or torquetum. More modern descendants of the wheel include the propeller, the jet engine, the flywheel (gyroscope) and the turbine.

This rule is not being followed, so I think the wheel is clearly eligible: Need not be attributable to one person, but the discovery must be known. For instance, we don't know when fire was discovered, or the wheel, so these would be ineligible. We do know when a/c was discovered, so this would be eligible.

I've never been able to make the distinction between stirrup or gunpowder on the one hand and wheel on the other. That said, since it was specifically stated as not acceptable, WHY IS MY PARTNER MAKING TROUBLE?

Stressful day at work and I don’t want to kick the dog.

Wanna collaborate on a pick?

 

[El Floppo]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

eta:

Helpful Link

4/10

 

[flysack]

Alright, alright. I'll make my picls.

32.15 Luigi Pirandello's Six Characters In Search of An Author (Play)

I love chaos in stage performances, and this has plenty of it. Lots of room for interpretation, creativity and scenery-chewing while still adhering to a tight narrative. There's plenty written about the play itself, but the dry elaborations concerning its impact and meaning don't do justice to the sheer entertainment value of the idea behind the play and its execution.

Six Characters in Search of an Author (Sei personaggi in cerca d'autore) is the most famous and celebrated play by the Italian writer Luigi Pirandello.

The play is a satirical tragicomedy. It was first performed in 1921 at the Teatro Valle in Rome, to a very mixed reception, with shouts from the audience of "Manicomio!" ("Madhouse!"). Subsequently the play enjoyed a much better reception. This improved reception was helped in 1925 when, with the third edition of the play, Pirandello provided a foreword clarifying the structure and ideas contained in the play.

Gotta say, I'm surprised and impressed at the number of works in this draft that were met with outrage upon their debuts.

According to Professor Grant L. Voth of Monterrey Peninsula College in his course for the Teaching Company titled the History of World Literature, the following of which is a summary, Pirandello was part of a movement in the early 20th century called theatricalism or anti-illusionism. The theatricalists rejected realist drama and substituted the dreamlike, the expressive, and the symbolic. The theatricalists disapproved of realism because it had abandoned the defining tools of drama, such as poetry, interaction between actors and audience, soliloquies, asides and bare stages. They thought realism could not depict the inner life of human beings.

The play demonstrates these ideas in several ways. The focus of the play is on the interactions of the six characters with the real actors in the theater. This suggests that human beings cannot distinguish between the real and the apparent – the distinction itself is illusory. “Reality” is merely what one happens to believe in at the moment.

The Father character argues that fictional characters are more “real” than living ones, since they are fixed eternally, while a living person is constantly changing and subject to time.



'The Father [with a cry]: No, sir, not ours! Look here! That is the very difference! Our reality doesn't change: it can't change! It can't be other than what it is, because it is already fixed for ever. It's terrible. Ours is an immutable reality which should make you shudder when you approach us if you are really conscious of the fact that your reality is a mere transitory and fleeting illusion, taking this form today and that tomorrow, according to the conditions, according to your will, your sentiments, which in turn are controlled by an intellect that shows them to you today in one manner and tomorrow . . . who knows how? . . . Illusions of reality represented in this fatuous comedy of life that never ends, nor can ever end! Because if tomorrow it were to end . . . then why, all would be finished.'

Pirandello, in the preface to the play, says that whenever a reader opens Dante’s Inferno, Francesca will drift down from the dark wind in her circle of Hell and tell the Pilgrim her story; and it will always be for the first time – just as the Mother in Pirandello’s play at one point makes an agonizing cry, always for the first time.

Each character sees events and the other characters differently. Their readings of reality do not match up. No one character is more correct than the other. There are as many versions of the story as there are characters in the play. Each character is in fact many characters; each has a sense of who he or she is, but each also is what the others believe he or she is.

The play suggests that we are more victims of forces we cannot control than captains of our own fate and demonstrates Pirandello's conception that in place of a continuous ego, self or "I" are states of mind, masks or personae; the temporary result of forces brought to bear on us at that moment. The self becomes an anthology of such roles or masks. Theatricalists thought life was more like theater than vice versa. As in theater, we put on and take off masks, try out various roles, and make up our lives as we go along.

I really need to see this somehow.

 

[Postradamus]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

eta:

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4/10

You can't handle the answers!!!

 

[Abrantes]

I want answers, and I want them ####### now people.

eta:

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4/10

My answer was so much better. Your scoring criteria are ####### wack.

 

[Fennis]

OK, so much for the appeal:

33.01 Fire..

ok

33.01 Submarine - Invention by Cornelius Drebbel in 1620

He also built the first navigable submarine in 1620 while working for the English Royal Navy.[6][7] Using William Bourne's design from 1578, he manufactured a steerable submarine with a leather-covered wooden frame. Between 1620 and 1624 Drebbel successfully built and tested two more submarines, each one bigger than the last. The final (third) model had 6 oars and could carry 16 passengers. This model was demonstrated to King James I in person and several thousand Londoners. The submarine stayed submerged for three hours and could travel from Westminster to Greenwich and back, cruising at a depth of from 12 to 15 feet (4 to 5 metres). Drebbel even took James in this submarine on a test dive beneath the Thames, making James I the first monarch to travel underwater. [8] This submarine was tested many times in the Thames, but it couldn't attract enough enthusiasm from the Admiralty and was never used in combat.

To re-oxygenate the air inside one or more of these submarines, he likely generated oxygen by heating nitre (potassium nitrate or sodium nitrate) in a metal pan to make it emit oxygen. That would also turn the nitrate into sodium or potassium oxide or hydroxide, which would tend to absorb carbon dioxide from the air around. That may explain how Drebbel's men were not affected by carbon dioxide build-up as much as would be expected. If so, he accidentally made a crude rebreather nearly three centuries before Fluess and Davis.[9] Drebbel had been taught by the alchemist Michael Sendivogius (1566-1636) (perhaps when both were at the court of Rudolf II) that warming nitre produced oxygen (considered the food of life).[10] The most reliable source suggesting the use of oxygen is a note by Robert Boyle. In 1662 Boyle wrote that he had spoken with an excellent mathematician, who was still alive and had been on the submarine, who said that Drebbel had a chemical liquor that would replace that quintessence of air that was able to cherish the vital flame residing in the heart.

 

[timschochet]

I realize that I have allowed the invention rule to be stretched, because the original wording was too tight to encompass human achievement. The problem with the wheel as a selection is that I specifically mentioned it in the OP as not allowable: Probably I should not have, but I did. Therefore for you to take it now would be unfair to every other drafter who considered this choice and did not take it because of what I wrote. So I have to disallow this choice, and I'm really sorry about that; if anything, the fault is mine, not yours. You're welcome to appeal.

Yet you overruled me on my selections because you weren't specific until you felt the need...should we just ask you to make our selections since you know what you want and what you don't want drafted?

You know, I'm beginning to enjoy your comments. Please keep it up; it's very entertaining.

 

[krista4]

33.01 Submarine - Invention by Cornelius Drebbel in 1620

The best type of sammich drafted so far.

We should have had a sammich category. 1.01 Tuna Melt

 

[El Floppo]

32.10 TV, Dekalog (Poland) - Written and Directed by Krzysztof Kieslowski

Kieslowski's (Red, Blue, White) telling of the Ten Commandments made for Polish TV. I got to see these when they started showing them in theaters here in NYC... some of the most amazing filmed anything I've ever seen- TV, Movie or Porn. So subtle and brilliant... just thinking about it makes me want to rent the series (but I've got some catching up to do watching some of the picks you guys have made). I'll let Wikki tell the story...

The Decalogue (Polish: Dekalog) is a 1988 Polish television drama series directed by Krzysztof Kieślowski and co-written by Kieślowski with Krzysztof Piesiewicz, with music by Zbigniew Preisner. It consists of ten one-hour films, each of which represents one of the Ten Commandments and explores possible meanings of the commandment—often ambiguous or contradictory—within a fictional story set in modern Poland. The series is Kieślowski's most acclaimed work and has won numerous international awards, though it was not widely released outside Europe until the late 1990s. Filmmaker Stanley Kubrick wrote an admiring foreword to the movie in 1991[1].

Production

Though each film is independent, most of them share the same setting (a large housing project in Warsaw) and some of the characters are acquainted with each other. There is also a nameless character (Artur Barciś), possibly supernatural, who observes the main characters at key moments but never intervenes. The large cast includes both famous actors and unknowns, many of whom Kieślowski also used in his other films. Typically for Kieślowski, the tone of most of the films is melancholic, except for the final one, which (like Three Colors: White, which features two of the same actors) is a black comedy.

The series was conceived when Piesiewicz, who had seen a 15th-century artwork illustrating the commandments in scenes from that time period, suggested the idea of a modern equivalent. Kieślowski was interested in the philosophical challenge and also wanted to use the series as a portrait of the hardships of Polish society, while deliberately avoiding the political issues he had depicted in earlier films. He originally meant to hire ten different directors, but decided to direct the films himself, though using a different cinematographer for each.

Themes

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The ten films are titled simply by number (e.g. Decalogue: One). In English, they are sometimes referred to[citation needed] by the commonly used short forms of the commandments based on the King James Bible text (see below). According to Ebert's introduction to the DVD set, Kieślowski said that the films did not correspond exactly to the commandments, and never used their names himself. However, they appear[citation needed] to follow the Roman Catholic enumeration of the commandments, which is based on that in Deuteronomy.

One: Thou shalt have no other gods before me. A university professor (Henryk Baranowski) trains his young son in the use of reason and the scientific method, but is confronted with the unpredictability of fate. Reason is deified with tragic results.

Two: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. A young woman (Krystyna Janda) is pregnant, but asks her husband's doctor (Aleksander Bardini) to make a medical pronouncement of the fate of her husband, because the child she bears is not his and she would like to abort the child if her husband survives.

Three: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. A family man (Daniel Olbrychski) abandons his family duties on Christmas Eve to deal with a former lover in a crisis (Maria Pakulnis).

Four: Honour thy father and thy mother. Uncertainty about her real parentage complicates the bond between a young woman (Adrianna Biedrzyńska) and her father (Janusz Gajos).

Five: Thou shalt not kill. A brutal and seemingly motiveless murder brings together a drifter (Mirosław Baka), a cruel taxi driver (Jan Tesarz), and an idealistic lawyer (Krzysztof Globisz). This is the only one of the films with an explicit political stance, reflecting Kieślowski's opposition to the death penalty. An expanded 84 minutes cinema version of this episode was released as Krótki film o zabijaniu (A Short Film About Killing).

Six: Thou shalt not commit adultery. A naive young man (Olaf Lubaszenko) spies on a stranger (Grażyna Szapołowska) through her window and falls in love with her. An extended 86 minutes feature version is Krótki film o miłości (A Short Film About Love).

Seven: Thou shalt not steal. A young woman (Maja Barelkowska) abducts her own child, who has been raised by her parents as her sister.

Eight: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. A Holocaust survivor (Teresa Marczewska) confronts an ethics professor (Maria Kościałowska) who once refused to help her on the basis of this commandment. The story was based on an experience of the filmmakers' mutual friend, the journalist Hanna Krall.

Nine: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife. A man who has become impotent (Piotr Machalica) discovers that his wife (Ewa Błaszczyk) has a lover. (A minor character in this film, a young singer with a heart condition, inspired Kieślowski's and Piesiewicz's next film, The Double Life of Véronique.)

Ten: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods. Two brothers (Jerzy Stuhr and Zbigniew Zamachowski) inherit a stamp collection but give a most valuable series away before realizing its extremely high worth. When they realize this they try to get it back...

(This list follows Catholic and Lutheran tradition; most other Christian denominations and Judaism follow the original division of the commandments as they are written in the Exodus [1]. Poland is predominantly Catholic.)

Kieślowski expanded Five and Six into longer feature films (A Short Film About Killing and A Short Film About Love), using the same cast and changing the stories slightly. This was part of a contractual obligation with the producers, since feature films were easier to distribute outside Poland.

 

[krista4]

32.10 TV, Dekalog (Poland) - Written and Directed by Krzysztof Kieslowski

Wow, great. Would never have thought of this for the TV category.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

33.01 Submarine - Invention by Cornelius Drebbel in 1620

The best type of sammich drafted so far.

We should have had a sammich category. :( 1.01 Tuna Melt

:honda: fer sure, but I'll stil play1.02 Reuben /draft

 

[Fennis]

forté,

What are you some kind of frenchmen?

 

[El Floppo]

33.01 Submarine - Invention by Cornelius Drebbel in 1620

The best type of sammich drafted so far.

We should have had a sammich category. :( 1.01 Tuna Melt

:honda: fer sure, but I'll stil play1.02 Reuben /draft

1.03 Hamburger Sandwich

 

[rodg12]

SKIPPED

23.05 - Doug B (requested skip)

24.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

25.05 - Doug B (autoskip)

26.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

27.05 - Doug B - (autoskip)

28.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

28.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

29.05 - Doug B (autoskip)

29.10 - thatguy (autoskip)

30.11 - thatguy (autoskip until further notice)

30.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

31.05 - Doug B (autoskip)

31.10 - Thatguy (autoskip)

31.19 - Tirnan (autoskip if not around)

32.02 - Tirnan (autoskip if not around)

32.09 - Team CIA (autoskip)

32.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

32.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

33.05 - Doug B (autoskip)

33.08 - Tides of War - Up

33.09 - Big Rocks

33.10 - Thatguy (autoskip)

33.11 - El Floppo

33.12 - Team CIA (autoskip)

33.13 - Uncle Humuna

33.14 - MisfitBlondes

33.15 - Bob Lee Swagger

33.16 - Scott Norwood

33.17 - DC Thunder

 

[Abrantes]

33.01 Submarine - Invention by Cornelius Drebbel in 1620

The best type of sammich drafted so far.

We should have had a sammich category. 1.01 Tuna Melt

:honda: fer sure, but I'll stil play1.02 Reuben /draft

1.03 Hamburger Sandwich

1.04 Ice Cream Sandwich

 

[El Floppo]

No autoskip for me tonight, please.

 

[Postradamus]

1.05 cheesesteak

value pick.

 

[rodg12]

No autoskip for me tonight, please.

Post updated.ETA: Take you off it for future picks as well???