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Official Great Works Draft (2 Viewers)
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flysack
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
That pick is horse ####.I hate it when my new nemesis makes a good pick.Good pick.
Tirnan
Footballguy
"You gonna bark all day little doggy, or are you gonna bite?"That pick is horse ####.I hate it when my new nemesis makes a good pick.Good pick.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Fennis
Footballguy
I'm out!Fixed.MisfitBlondes said:Do you two three need a room?Mrs. Fennis, :callme:
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
I'm out!Fixed.MisfitBlondes said:Do you two three need a room?Mrs. Fennis, :callme:
Mister CIA
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
See, I never get that from Sunflowers.I hate the movement, but respect for this guy. This is, what, the second surrealist painting? Umm...probably more, I've been asleep part of the draft...but I find it kinda hilarious that this might rank above the one above the other one taken 27 rounds ago.Glad to see Magritte gettin' some love.
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TidesofWar
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Well done on Syrah and Shiraz - do you know the differences between Pinot Grigio and Pinot Gris?See, I never get that from Sunflowers.I hate the movement, but respect for this guy. This is, what, the second surrealist painting? Umm...probably more, I've been asleep part of the draft...but I find it kinda hilarious that this might rank above the one above the other one taken 27 rounds ago.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Great ones, Tirnan. Tactics wise On War blows away Art of War. Keynes influence at Breton Woods is undeniable; when your model becomes global monetary policy for more than a quarter century after WWII, you are rightly considered a giant. Totally with you on the Tarantino picks, but I think those may get killed in the judging and any popular vote we have. Good on ya for knowing that and still going with your personal choices.
Bonzai - you shall not be forgiven - evah - for your impeccable taste. Strange Fruit should have been long gone, and its my fault for letting one of the three picks I wanted from the get go slide for too long.
Abrantes was the first to snipe me with Gulag Archipelago. No one to blame but myself for not being around, and I let the Special Advisor have a bit too much freedom; I should have just asked someone to pick off my list.
Guess I ought to feel lucky I still was able to nab Shelby Foote's Civil War: A Narrative.
So many places to go here - lots of great inventions left even though some think its already time to get cute and paint corners, great intellectuals and scientists unrepresented yet people are wasting picks on broad topics that aren't even a discovery, and top shelf compositions just waiting to be had. Since my favorite is gone I now have like five songs I'm mulling over but none really doing it for me at the moment. There are two non-english albums in the Rolling Stone 500, and I want both for my one slot. There are several albums they could vie for greatest live jazz album, including two obvious choices out there for someone else to take - I just can't see taking them since the recording production is less than ideal.
I'll have to settle for the #1 studio jazz album of all-time. This is insane value for the 34th round.
34.14 (674th pick) - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Album
Charles Mingus
ETA: Ugh...should have checked my PMs, my man Abrantes found tracks these on another site:
Track A and Track C
Bonzai - you shall not be forgiven - evah - for your impeccable taste. Strange Fruit should have been long gone, and its my fault for letting one of the three picks I wanted from the get go slide for too long.
Abrantes was the first to snipe me with Gulag Archipelago. No one to blame but myself for not being around, and I let the Special Advisor have a bit too much freedom; I should have just asked someone to pick off my list.
Guess I ought to feel lucky I still was able to nab Shelby Foote's Civil War: A Narrative.
So many places to go here - lots of great inventions left even though some think its already time to get cute and paint corners, great intellectuals and scientists unrepresented yet people are wasting picks on broad topics that aren't even a discovery, and top shelf compositions just waiting to be had. Since my favorite is gone I now have like five songs I'm mulling over but none really doing it for me at the moment. There are two non-english albums in the Rolling Stone 500, and I want both for my one slot. There are several albums they could vie for greatest live jazz album, including two obvious choices out there for someone else to take - I just can't see taking them since the recording production is less than ideal.
I'll have to settle for the #1 studio jazz album of all-time. This is insane value for the 34th round.
34.14 (674th pick) - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Album
Charles Mingus
Wish I could represent with more YouTube or MySpace hookups, but this one is in lockdown - found several links with the video or MP3 already removed.
ETA: Ugh...should have checked my PMs, my man Abrantes found tracks these on another site:
Track A and Track C
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Fennis
Footballguy
California vintners in the Napa Valley area primarily produce Pinot Blanc, Pinot Noir and Pinot Grigio wines. Now they have developed a new hybrid grape that acts as an anti-diuretic.
It is expected to reduce the number of trips older people have to make to the bathroom during the night.
What will they call this new wine? Why, Pinot More, of course!
It is expected to reduce the number of trips older people have to make to the bathroom during the night.
What will they call this new wine? Why, Pinot More, of course!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pinot Moops!Tides, just read a great article on that subject, will try to find it online and post.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Dunno 'bout Black Saint & Sinner Lady being the #1 jazz studio album of all time, but it's a mother####er, and I definitely considered it for one of my album slots. Mind-melting awesomeness. In the end, it just came down to the fact that I'm far more likely to listen to my three albums than this one, regardless of compositional mastery.
timschochet
Footballguy
Abrantes, let me now if you're planning on picking shortly. If you're going to wait, then I'll take off; otherwise, I'll hang around.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
WTF knows, eh. Make a list every week for a year and you'd have about 40 discrete rankings. Kind of Blue is iconic but I'd put Birth of the Cool or Biatches Brew above it just because they both went in a whole new direction - but all 3 are above BS&SL IMO. But a lot of other folks think this one is the top dog. Matters, eh.Starting to see the value of krista4's suggestion of no judging. The tape measuring and chest thumping gets tedious quick. Sharing and learning, though, never gets old. Seriously.
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Abrantes
Footballguy
Ah, hell. Forgot it was my pick.
Go ahead and skip me, Tim. I'll make my pick shortly.
Bonzai
Footballguy
I don't know about #1, but I'd be fine with it being #2.
Abrantes
Footballguy
I know exactly what you mean. Mingus has that sound DOWN. There's this contagious urgency to a lot of his music (the buildup in Haitian Fight Song for one, or the primal energy of Moanin'), and it can get really unsettling/fascinating.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The real debate for me was whether I should put it here or in composition. Just figured its going to rank out better as an album.I know Mingus was always dirt poor/getting ripped off/blowing his wad, but I cannot believe they laid this down in one day. Obviously it was a budgetary decision, but YOWZA.
TidesofWar
Footballguy
Got a Charity Golf Tourney tomorrow with a Dinner to boot, so I doubt I can check in enough to make a pick.
So please skip me and I will catch up most likely tommorow night sometime.
Cheers, Salut!, and Play in the short grass
So please skip me and I will catch up most likely tommorow night sometime.
Cheers, Salut!, and Play in the short grass
Abrantes
Footballguy
Figures.Really though, any number of albums could be argued as #1 and this is one of them. This thread is #1 all-time for endless write-up hyperbole, though.
Abrantes
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Abrantes, I think the only way to get through 60 rounds is apathy.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Probably not a great choice for this draft (?) but Moanin' is smoking.
timschochet
Footballguy
34.17 Byron Nelson wins 11 Golf Tournaments in a row (1945)
Not much to say about this extraordinary accomplishment, which has never been matched. Some people have brought up the fact that this occurred during a war year, so the competition was weak.
Wikipedia comments:
There has been debate to how impressive these results are, as it was believed to be a weakened tour due to the war.[11] But in reality many of the leading golfers of that time, including Sam Snead and Ben Hogan still played a full or at least part schedule that year.[11] Both Snead and Hogan won multiple times on the tour in 1945.
The 11 in a row record was part of the greatest single year by one golfer in sports history. Nelson won 18 tournaments total (also a record) finished in 2nd place 7 times, and set a record for scoring average that was intact until Tiger broke it in 2000.
Not much to say about this extraordinary accomplishment, which has never been matched. Some people have brought up the fact that this occurred during a war year, so the competition was weak.
Wikipedia comments:
There has been debate to how impressive these results are, as it was believed to be a weakened tour due to the war.[11] But in reality many of the leading golfers of that time, including Sam Snead and Ben Hogan still played a full or at least part schedule that year.[11] Both Snead and Hogan won multiple times on the tour in 1945.
The 11 in a row record was part of the greatest single year by one golfer in sports history. Nelson won 18 tournaments total (also a record) finished in 2nd place 7 times, and set a record for scoring average that was intact until Tiger broke it in 2000.
Fennis
Footballguy
Pretty amazing.
rodg12
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Knew that would go soon, nice value.Back in those days only the top 20 golfers got paid. So when Tiger broke Nelson's consecutive cut streak of 113, he really didn't - Byron's record was 113 straight cashes, e.g., top 20s.
In 1945, Nelson't motivation was to buy a small cattle ranch in Texas. With every win, “I could see the prize money going into the ranch, buying a tractor, or a cow. It gave me incentive". He retired from full-time competitive golf in 1946.
The USGA uses a mechanical swing machine to test equipment to make sure it conforms to their limits. Its called Iron Byron - because Nelson had the most fluid, perfectly repeating swing the game has ever known. When Jack Nicklaus was a teenager he went to a clinic, and Byron took out a 5 iron and bounced ten balls in a row off an 18 inch drainage pipe - from 150 yards!
I could go on and on, but suffice to say he was the ultimate gentleman. Truly a sweet person who gave back much during his life - his PGA Tour event contributed over $100 million to charity while he was alive.
Its a great record, terrific pick.
timschochet
Footballguy
Thanks for the backstory, BL. I don't know a lot about golf history, but I read about this record a couple of years back when Tiger flirted with it for a short time (how many did he win- 7?) and it occurred to me just how impossible winning 11 in a row must be, even back then.
"Yesterday" is one of the most beautiful songs ever written.
"Yesterday" is one of the most beautiful songs ever written.
Fennis
Footballguy
I do a mean version of the song in the shower. (un)fortunately it is unrecorded.
Fennis
Footballguy
The brains behind Team Fennis is rarely on this late, but I'll stick around for a bit in case she shows up. If not, Ill PM her my pick as she gets an early start in the morning.
Hint: I am taking the best musical as my play.
ETA: Unless I change my mind, which I often do waiting to make my pick.
Hint: I am taking the best musical as my play.
ETA: Unless I change my mind, which I often do waiting to make my pick.
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rodg12
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Status update, then I'm off to bed.
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Big Rocks
Footballguy
34.12 World Almanac, nonfiction
Seriously, who hasn't used this as a reference sometime during their lives? When the internet wasn't as common as it was in the years past, I was often at the library combing through the hundreds of pages. There was just so much information contained within the massive book that it was easy to learn something new.
Definitely great value in the 34th round.
Wiki link
Seriously, who hasn't used this as a reference sometime during their lives? When the internet wasn't as common as it was in the years past, I was often at the library combing through the hundreds of pages. There was just so much information contained within the massive book that it was easy to learn something new.
Definitely great value in the 34th round.
Wiki link
Uncle Humuna
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Uncle Humuna
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BobbyLayne
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Yup, 7 is Tiger's best streak so far. Pretty sure the next best streaks are two of 6 (Woods again, and Ben Hogan), and then it drops to 4. Its hard to win a golf tournament, let alone put together a winning streak.Another Nelson record to chew on...
Right now Tiger is, ya know, 'slumping' - lots of talk he isn't the same since the knee reconstruction. Well, he has the longest top ten streak in PGA Tour history - 16 straight. Won 11 of his last 18 tournaments. Very impressive.
Except the official records only go back to 1970. That's when the PGA Tour became a separate entity from the PGA of America (teaching pros org was founded in 1916, runs the PGA Championship and the Ryder Cup). Anyway, back the dark ages of golf record keeping, Billy Casper had a streak in the teens, Sam Snead did the same three times, Walter Hagen had 25 straight top tens, Ben Hogan had streaks of 28 and 26.
Byron Nelson? 65. Five straight years of top tens, 53 were top three finishes. Dude wanted that ranch bad.
Oh, and Woods slumping...A week after Woods won the 2002 U.S. Open at Bethpage Black for his eighth major championship, Golf Digest ran an online survey asking if he would break Jack Nicklaus' record of 18 majors, and 73 percent said yes. Two years later, after Woods had gone eight majors without winning, the magazine posed the same question, and 71 percent said no. 14 and counting for now...
So Wiki backs up the Guinness claim about Yesterday having a record 3,000 recorded versions. Interesting.
There is a jazz standard which has 17,500 recorded versions.
Must be one of those deals where somewhere along the line a qualifier got dropped from the statement; repeat oft enough, legend born.
Regardless, great pick rodg12.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Kind of Blue was pretty much a whole new direction also.In some ways more than the other two you mentioned.
Starting to see the value of krista4's suggestion of no judging. The tape measuring and chest thumping gets tedious quick. Sharing and learning, though, never gets old. Seriously.
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BB had a definite pre-cursor in In a Silent Way, and Birth of the Cool was a collection of previously released singles.
There was not much (by Miles) that prepared anyone for Kind of Blue.
(Can't believe I succombed to this much spotlighting - 20 lashes with a wet noodle).
eta -> I forgot about Milestones (the song)
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Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
I went to a performance of Epitaph in 1991 at the Davies Sympony Hall in SF.Unbefreakinlievable.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Kind of Blue was pretty much a whole new direction also.In some ways more than the other two you mentioned.WTF knows, eh. Make a list every week for a year and you'd have about 40 discrete rankings. Kind of Blue is iconic but I'd put Birth of the Cool or Biatches Brew above it just because they both went in a whole new direction - but all 3 are above BS&SL IMO. But a lot of other folks think this one is the top dog. Matters, eh.
Starting to see the value of krista4's suggestion of no judging. The tape measuring and chest thumping gets tedious quick. Sharing and learning, though, never gets old. Seriously.
ETA: exhausted, making mistakes
BB had a definite pre-cursor in In a Silent Way, and Birth of the Cool was a collection of previously released singles.
There was not much (by Miles) that prepared anyone for Kind of Blue.
(Can't believe I succombed to this much spotlighting - 20 lashes with a wet noodle).
eta -> I forgot about Milestones
@ spotlightingI don't care, even with this discussion its going to be massively underrepresented with only 60 albums.While its true In a Silent Way was the first fusion album, the arrangements, the rhythm sections, the dark edge - EVERYTHING about BB is different. OK, they both have electronic instruments.
I'm aware Birth is a compilation - dude, there are two feet of Miles vinyl on my shelf - but its such a grand statement. Enough with the bebop - we're going cool, we're gonna go where the white boys can't follow us no more (sorry Benny - you're a good guy, but we don't like you that much). It's the eponymous cool jazz album. Symbolically, that one defines the break.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Great synopsis (although I thought bebop was the place created to lose Benny and the Jets. If anything, cool let whitey back in - Gil Evans, Gerry Mulligan, Lee Konitz, etc.)Kind of Blue was pretty much a whole new direction also.In some ways more than the other two you mentioned.
Starting to see the value of krista4's suggestion of no judging. The tape measuring and chest thumping gets tedious quick. Sharing and learning, though, never gets old. Seriously.
ETA: exhausted, making mistakes
BB had a definite pre-cursor in In a Silent Way, and Birth of the Cool was a collection of previously released singles.
There was not much (by Miles) that prepared anyone for Kind of Blue.
(Can't believe I succombed to this much spotlighting - 20 lashes with a wet noodle).
eta -> I forgot about Milestones
While its true In a Silent Way was the first fusion album, the arrangements, the rhythm sections, the dark edge - EVERYTHING about BB is different. OK, they both have electronic instruments.
I'm aware Birth is a compilation - dude, there are two feet of Miles vinyl on my shelf - but its such a grand statement. Enough with the bebop - we're going cool, we're gonna go where the white boys can't follow us no more (sorry Benny - you're a good guy, but we don't like you that much). It's the eponymous cool jazz album. Symbolically, that one defines the break.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
UH - you're right, senior moment there...42-43 Dizzy and Yardbird were creating (unrecorded!! because of the strike) the new sound that lost the whiteys. The 'Cool Jazz Break' is overexaggerated, though - most of the guys came from bebop.
OK, done boiling baby bottles, one last Hipple® for the road...
This kind of free flowing discussion - arguing which album had more influence, sharing concert or exhibit experiences, back story info, talking about how a pick impact your life in a personal way - that is the best part of the draft.
'twas a lot of that, especially early, in the Greatest American Draft. That's why most of us liked that one best.
There was a lot more self-pimping in the Worlds Greatest. The two biggest debbie downers were religion and Sun Tzu 1.01, but whipping it out to see who's bigger gets old quick.
IN BOTH DRAFTS, the judging sucked. Some were better than others. But IMO, there just wasn't much added value - and it caused a lot of dissension. Too much nashing of teeth for something that should be fun. Ditto for the playoffs, which were a jok:e:
This draft? Actually...I'm not sure, I haven't really paid attention (as I have demonstrated with my :honda: picks). I know everyone is weary of arguments about wrestlemania and soap.
That's why I have had an epiphany this week that krista4 is right. Judging, rankings, its OK if that is what the majority wants, but seriously, the enrichment factor is from the discussion, not who wins.
OK, done boiling baby bottles, one last Hipple® for the road...
This kind of free flowing discussion - arguing which album had more influence, sharing concert or exhibit experiences, back story info, talking about how a pick impact your life in a personal way - that is the best part of the draft.
'twas a lot of that, especially early, in the Greatest American Draft. That's why most of us liked that one best.
There was a lot more self-pimping in the Worlds Greatest. The two biggest debbie downers were religion and Sun Tzu 1.01, but whipping it out to see who's bigger gets old quick.
IN BOTH DRAFTS, the judging sucked. Some were better than others. But IMO, there just wasn't much added value - and it caused a lot of dissension. Too much nashing of teeth for something that should be fun. Ditto for the playoffs, which were a jok:e:
This draft? Actually...I'm not sure, I haven't really paid attention (as I have demonstrated with my :honda: picks). I know everyone is weary of arguments about wrestlemania and soap.
That's why I have had an epiphany this week that krista4 is right. Judging, rankings, its OK if that is what the majority wants, but seriously, the enrichment factor is from the discussion, not who wins.
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Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
UH - you're right, senior moment there...42-43 Dizzy and Yardbird were creating (unrecorded!! because of the strike) the new sound that lost the whiteys. The 'Cool Jazz Break' is overexaggerated, though - most of the guys came from bebop.
OK, done boiling baby bottles, one last Hipple® for the road...
This kind of free flowing discussion - arguing which album had more influence, sharing concert or exhibit experiences, back story info, talking about how a pick impact your life in a personal way - that is the best part of the draft.
'twas a lot of that, especially early, in the Greatest American Draft. That's why most of us liked that one best.
There was a lot more self-pimping in the Worlds Greatest. The two biggest debbie downers were religion and Sun Tzu 1.01, but whipping it out to see who's bigger gets old quick.
IN BOTH DRAFTS, the judging sucked. Some were better than others. But IMO, there just wasn't much added value - and it caused a lot of dissension. Too much nashing of teeth for something that should be fun. Ditto for the playoffs, which were a jok:e:
This draft? Actually...I'm not sure, I haven't really paid attention (as I have demonstrated with my :honda: picks). I know everyone is weary of arguments about wrestlemania and soap.
That's why I have had an epiphany this week that krista4 is right. Judging, rankings, its OK if that is what the majority wants, but seriously, the enrichment factor is from the discussion, not who wins.
Postradamus
Footballguy
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