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[BobbyLayne]

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Layne getting antsy??? Abrantes has been in and out of this thread this PM - does he know he can pick now?

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[Abrantes]

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Layne getting antsy??? Abrantes has been in and out of this thread this PM - does he know he can pick now?

SEEI really didn't want to just tke my time putting a list together because I knew - from personal experience, naturally - that there would be other drafters more than ready to go. Whatever, I don't want to just go with a VBD pick in a category with limited choices. I'll be the first to dive in headfirst into one of the deeper categories, and the one that interests me the most. Screw waiting on it just because there's plenty of good choices to be had later on. :X

Its critical accolades don't matter much to me here. I'm picking it based on the sheer perfection of the music itself. It feels like I've listened to it enough times to internalize every note and tone, but every listen still brings back the same joy I had hearing it for the first time.

1.06 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue (Album)

Flamenco Sketches

Move along now, you savages.

PS. Wikkid betta not come in here with his "how can you pick Miles before xxxxx, xxxxxxxx, or xxxx?????" again.

 

[Postradamus]

Great album.

 

[Abrantes]

Great album.

Great...or greatest?

 

[TidesofWar]

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Layne getting antsy??? Abrantes has been in and out of this thread this PM - does he know he can pick now?

SEEI really didn't want to just tke my time putting a list together because I knew - from personal experience, naturally - that there would be other drafters more than ready to go. Whatever, I don't want to just go with a VBD pick in a category with limited choices. I'll be the first to dive in headfirst into one of the deeper categories, and the one that interests me the most. Screw waiting on it just because there's plenty of good choices to be had later on.

Its critical accolades don't matter much to me here. I'm picking it based on the sheer perfection of the music itself. It feels like I've listened to it enough times to internalize every note and tone, but every listen still brings back the same joy I had hearing it for the first time.

1.06 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue (Album)

I admire your Moxy - and taste

 

[Postradamus]

Great album.

Great...or greatest?

It's no Mona Lisa

 

[TidesofWar]

Great album.

Great...or greatest?

It's no Mona Lisa

Legend has it that the Mona was smiling cause she had an Ipod with Miles Davis in her ear

 

[wikkidpissah]

1.06 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue (Album)

PS. Wikkid betta not come in here with his "how can you pick Miles before xxxxx, xxxxxxxx, or xxxx?????" again.

waaaay too high in the scheme of things, which i really prefer folks to be conscious of thru at least one round, but a draft pick is elementally the thing u want most that you dont think will get back to you, so i understand the "cant bear to let anyone else have it" tip.dunno if i'm allowed to do this (never been an official judge) but, if you were looking to lock up a #1 in a cat, you may well have done so. wikkid say it's the best & most important popular record ever made and only further consideration of historical context could knock it out of the top slot.

and my criticism of Mr Miles in the GWD was as an instrumentalist (dont even think he'd rate himself in the top 5 @ his instrument) not as a music figure, where he's a collossus. nufced.

 

[Mister CIA]

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Layne getting antsy??? Abrantes has been in and out of this thread this PM - does he know he can pick now?

SEEI really didn't want to just tke my time putting a list together because I knew - from personal experience, naturally - that there would be other drafters more than ready to go. Whatever, I don't want to just go with a VBD pick in a category with limited choices. I'll be the first to dive in headfirst into one of the deeper categories, and the one that interests me the most. Screw waiting on it just because there's plenty of good choices to be had later on.

Its critical accolades don't matter much to me here. I'm picking it based on the sheer perfection of the music itself. It feels like I've listened to it enough times to internalize every note and tone, but every listen still brings back the same joy I had hearing it for the first time.

1.06 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue (Album)

Nice pick. Pretty sure Freddie Freeloader is my favorite here.

 

[Abrantes]

1.06 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue (Album)

PS. Wikkid betta not come in here with his "how can you pick Miles before xxxxx, xxxxxxxx, or xxxx?????" again.

waaaay too high in the scheme of things, which i really prefer folks to be conscious of thru at least one round, but a draft pick is elementally the thing u want most that you dont think will get back to you, so i understand the "cant bear to let anyone else have it" tip.

I actually planned on taking the Pyramid of Giza before Doug torpedoed that plan one pick before me.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1.07 (7th pick) - Political Document



IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock

New Hampshire:

Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:

John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:

Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:

Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:

William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:

Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:

Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:

Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:

Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:

George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:

William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:

Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:

Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

 

[BobbyLayne]

1.08 Tides of War - Next Selection, clock is off

(until 10 a.m. Thursday)

1.09 wikkidpissah - On Deck

1.10 thatguy - In The Hole

 

[ScottNorwood]

Some curious picks in the early going

 

[El Floppo]

I kinda thought the Dec of Indy would go before the Constitution. Nice pick.

And I agree with everything WP just said about Miles and Kind of Blue- all-world album with an all-world cast. Definitely a worthy top Album choice... not sure if the 1st round is where I'd go locking up such a worthy album though.

But I have no idea what the hell I'm going to pick for myself this round, let alone any other, and really no idea how to strategize this whole thing. So my 2c are useless.

 

[timschochet]

Guys, I need some advice here about a type of choice. I can't discuss it here without spotlighting. Whoever takes my PM has to agree not to draft what I want to discuss in the first round. Is anyone willing to take my PM and give me some advice?

 

[ScottNorwood]

Guys, I need some advice here about a type of choice. I can't discuss it here without spotlighting. Whoever takes my PM has to agree not to draft what I want to discuss in the first round. Is anyone willing to take my PM and give me some advice?

You should talk to these guys since they pick after you:1. Fennis2. Rodg123. Postradamus

 

[Big Rocks]

Guys, I need some advice here about a type of choice. I can't discuss it here without spotlighting. Whoever takes my PM has to agree not to draft what I want to discuss in the first round. Is anyone willing to take my PM and give me some advice?

I'm not in the draft, so I can help if needed.

 

[timschochet]

Guys, I need some advice here about a type of choice. I can't discuss it here without spotlighting. Whoever takes my PM has to agree not to draft what I want to discuss in the first round. Is anyone willing to take my PM and give me some advice?

I'm not in the draft, so I can help if needed.

Great-sending PM.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I don't want to say that the constitution or dec of independence are weak picks, but that's not the direction I would've gone.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I kinda thought the Dec of Indy would go before the Constitution. Nice pick.

Thanks. Wasn't planning on going that way, but I also figured both would be gone by the 7th pick. Five of my top six are off the board now.

 

[Mister CIA]

Some curious picks in the early going

I'm surprised shocked Iggy Pop's physique has gone undrafted.

 

[Mister CIA]

To be sure, lyrics count as poetry, yes? I'm up the creek otherwise.

 

[Postradamus]

I kinda thought the Dec of Indy would go before the Constitution. Nice pick.

Thanks. Wasn't planning on going that way, but I also figured both would be gone by the 7th pick. Five of my top six are off the board now.

My list is looking pretty solid.

 

[BobbyLayne]

To be sure, lyrics count as poetry, yes? I'm up the creek otherwise.

Biggie?

 

[rodg12]

To be sure, lyrics count as poetry, yes? I'm up the creek otherwise.

Interesting question here. Ruling??

 

[wikkidpissah]

To be sure, lyrics count as poetry, yes? I'm up the creek otherwise.

limericks & lyrics (esp. jingles) are the only poetry that matters.

 

[Bonzai]

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Layne getting antsy??? Abrantes has been in and out of this thread this PM - does he know he can pick now?

SEEI really didn't want to just tke my time putting a list together because I knew - from personal experience, naturally - that there would be other drafters more than ready to go. Whatever, I don't want to just go with a VBD pick in a category with limited choices. I'll be the first to dive in headfirst into one of the deeper categories, and the one that interests me the most. Screw waiting on it just because there's plenty of good choices to be had later on.

Its critical accolades don't matter much to me here. I'm picking it based on the sheer perfection of the music itself. It feels like I've listened to it enough times to internalize every note and tone, but every listen still brings back the same joy I had hearing it for the first time.

1.06 Miles Davis' Kind of Blue (Album)

Was in the mix for my pick. In the conversation for best piece of music ever.

 

[BobbyLayne]

To be sure, lyrics count as poetry, yes? I'm up the creek otherwise.

Interesting question here. Ruling??

Tupac?

 

[timschochet]

To answer the question about poetry:

Everything counts as poetry.

If you wanted to, you could quote the line: everything counts as poetry by timschochet, and submit it as your poem. Now how the judge (whoever that ends up being) evaluates it is another story entirely. I'm hoping for someone who is some kind of poetry expert.

 

[Mister CIA]

To be sure, lyrics count as poetry, yes? I'm up the creek otherwise.

Biggie?

David and Nigel.

 

[wikkidpissah]

To answer the question about poetry:

Everything counts as poetry.

If you wanted to, you could quote the line: everything counts as poetry by timschochet, and submit it as your poem. Now how the judge (whoever that ends up being) evaluates it is another story entirely. I'm hoping for someone who is some kind of poetry expert.

if we did not have a song category, i would agree. since we do, i dont.

 

[BobbyLayne]

To answer the question about poetry:

Everything counts as poetry.

If you wanted to, you could quote the line: everything counts as poetry by timschochet, and submit it as your poem. Now how the judge (whoever that ends up being) evaluates it is another story entirely. I'm hoping for someone who is some kind of poetry expert.

if we did not have a song category, i would agree. since we do, i dont.

No worries; every draft needs a Hulk Hogan or Anna Nicole Smith.

 

[Steve Tasker]

What does being a category judge entail and do you need one?

 

[timschochet]

I'm getting numerous PMs sent to me "would this qualify as this?" in several different categories. I really admire people who think outside the box, and I imagine this will increase as we get deeper into this draft. (I'm frankly a little surprised at these questions in the first round.)

If you know me, you know I usually accept everything- it's up to the judge of the category to evaluate the strength of your selection. Very rarely will I not allow something. Of course, I may subject you to ridicule, and I won't be the only one.

As far as my question to Big Rocks, it involves a work where, if someone selects it, I'm going to insist that they choose either the first half or the second half- you won't be allowed to choose both parts. Can't say more without spotlighting.

 

[timschochet]

To answer the question about poetry:

Everything counts as poetry.

If you wanted to, you could quote the line: everything counts as poetry by timschochet, and submit it as your poem. Now how the judge (whoever that ends up being) evaluates it is another story entirely. I'm hoping for someone who is some kind of poetry expert.

if we did not have a song category, i would agree. since we do, i dont.

Well let me clarify: I am hoping everyone submits a work that is an actual, published poem. I want a category judge to evaluate these works as the greatest 20 poems of all times.But if someone insists on selecting something else and securing last place for themselves, I won't stop them.

 

[timschochet]

What does being a category judge entail and do you need one?

The OP shows the judges that are still needed. You need to rank the picks when the draft is over. I'm looking for people who know something about the subject, are willing to engage in conversation to defend their picks.

 

[wikkidpissah]

As far as my question to Big Rocks, it involves a work where, if someone selects it, I'm going to insist that they choose either the first half or the second half- you won't be allowed to choose both parts. Can't say more without spotlighting.

you mean we gotta choose between the first & second records of "Pat Boone's Greatest Hymns"?!?!

 

[Steve Tasker]

I could probably do one of: Novel, Invention, Movie, Game, or Acting Performance

How much "experience" do I have to have in these topics? I think I'm fairly well-versed in them but I'm not like a PhD in Literature or some super movie geek who's seen every movie from the 60s...

 

[BobbyLayne]

I could probably do one of: Novel, Invention, Movie, Game, or Acting PerformanceHow much "experience" do I have to have in these topics? I think I'm fairly well-versed in them but I'm not like a PhD in Literature or some super movie geek who's seen every movie from the 60s...

60 rounds x 20 drafters = 1,200 picks1,200 picks / 80-100 per week = August finishWe'll expect you to have achieved a certain level of mastery of whatever category you are judging by then.

 

[ScottNorwood]

As far as my question to Big Rocks, it involves a work where, if someone selects it, I'm going to insist that they choose either the first half or the second half- you won't be allowed to choose both parts. Can't say more without spotlighting.

I know what it is now, and I will snipe it.

 

[Mister CIA]

As far as my question to Big Rocks, it involves a work where, if someone selects it, I'm going to insist that they choose either the first half or the second half- you won't be allowed to choose both parts. Can't say more without spotlighting.

you mean we gotta choose between the first & second records of "Pat Boone's Greatest Hymns"?!?!

I'm guessing Smokey and the Bandit.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Invention (5) Need not be attributable to one person, but the discovery must be known. For instance, we don't know when fire was discovered, or the wheel, so these would be ineligible. We do know when a/c was discovered, so this would be eligible.

Alright, I'll take this one. Someone inform me when there's work to be done....do I have to handle questions related to specific invention category issues?

 

[BobbyLayne]

OK, category judges so far:I'll take wildcards, as always (hardest and most fun!)wikkidpissah is music judge. (all categories.)BobbyLayne is paintings judge.Yankee is political thought and TV shows.Somebody (don't remember who) is sports records; anyone know?All other categories are open.

I can judge inventions.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Invention (5) Need not be attributable to one person, but the discovery must be known. For instance, we don't know when fire was discovered, or the wheel, so these would be ineligible. We do know when a/c was discovered, so this would be eligible.

Alright, I'll take this one. Someone inform me when there's work to be done....do I have to handle questions related to specific invention category issues?

no, but u hafta invent something by august

 

[Steve Tasker]

OK, category judges so far:I'll take wildcards, as always (hardest and most fun!)wikkidpissah is music judge. (all categories.)BobbyLayne is paintings judge.Yankee is political thought and TV shows.Somebody (don't remember who) is sports records; anyone know?All other categories are open.

I can judge inventions.

Well, the first post wasn't updated then...

 

[Postradamus]

What does being a category judge entail and do you need one?

The OP shows the judges that are still needed. You need to rank the picks when the draft is over. I'm looking for people who know something about the subject, are willing to engage in conversation to defend their picks.

I offered to do inventions earlier, could do poetry but I would be biased toward literary giants rather than average song lyrics. Obviously some lyrics speak to us individually but may not necessarily be widely hailed as great, while there are certain lyricists who obviously should be mentioned ex: Dob Bylan (no spotlighting)Also homemade limericks and Roses are Red poems will be considered if they are funny enough

 

[BobbyLayne]

Invention (5) Need not be attributable to one person, but the discovery must be known. For instance, we don't know when fire was discovered, or the wheel, so these would be ineligible. We do know when a/c was discovered, so this would be eligible.

Alright, I'll take this one. Someone inform me when there's work to be done....do I have to handle questions related to specific invention category issues?

timschochet needs to rule on whether that category still needs a judge.ETA: I see Postradamus has graciously stepped over to Poetry, so you're in.

As for the dialog timschochet mentioned - we would appreciate judges who are willing to engage drafters after they post their rankings. If there are disagreements with your rankings, we want to know the justification or methodology that was employed.

Its very rare for a judge to change their rankings - happened maybe once that I recall in the Greatest American Draft and the World's Greatest Draft. Think we also had one judge wuss out when people wanted to engage him.



Seriously, it's no big deal. It is Serious Business™, but also not really. Whatever you end up judging, you will learn a ton about your category during the research process.

It would help everyone if you can explain what your criteria will be up front - but do so in a way that does not spotlight any specific choices. Hope that makes sense - if not, keep asking Qs.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Also homemade limericks and Roses are Red poems will be considered if they are funny enough

Mister CIA likes to post drive by picks from his iPhone. I can see it now...

Hey, I see I'm up. I need a poem. Well, I just happen to be sitting in the men's room, so here is my next pick...

 

[timschochet]

Steve tasker, you are inventions judge.

Postradamus, you've got poetry. And it's just my opinion, but I want you to rank lyrics below poems. I think that if we're choosing the 20 greatest poems of all time, lyrics shouldn't be taken, and if they are, they go on the bottom of the list. But again, that's only how I see it; you are free to do as you like.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Invention (5) Need not be attributable to one person, but the discovery must be known. For instance, we don't know when fire was discovered, or the wheel, so these would be ineligible. We do know when a/c was discovered, so this would be eligible.

Alright, I'll take this one. Someone inform me when there's work to be done....do I have to handle questions related to specific invention category issues?

timschochet needs to rule on whether that category still needs a judge.As for the dialog timschochet mentioned - we would appreciate judges who are willing to engage drafters after they post their rankings. If there are disagreements with your rankings, we want to know the justification or methodology that was employed.Its very rare for a judge to change their rankings - happened maybe once that I recall in the Greatest American Draft and the World's Greatest Draft. Think we also had one judge wuss out when people wanted to engage him. Seriously, it's no big deal. It is Serious Business™, but also not really. Whatever you end up judging, you will learn a ton about your category during the research process.It would help everyone if you can explain what your criteria will be up front - but do so in a way that does not spotlight any specific choices. Hope that makes sense - if not, keep asking Qs.

Yeah I've done a handful of these, but only real specific ones like drafting an all-time NFL team or video games.I think it'd be fun to do novels, personally, but I'd be worried that since there'd be a lot that I haven't read, my rankings won't be as good...