Official Great Works Draft (13 Viewers)

[DCThunder]

For the record, I have no problem with Wikid's pick of Secretariat's 31 length win as a "sports record". It's a great achievement and there weas a human jockey riding him. It certainly fits in with Wikid's original concept of the "Greatest of Everything" draft. But it ain't my decision...

 

[Yankee23Fan]

For the record, I have no problem with Wikid's pick of Secretariat's 31 length win as a "sports record". It's a great achievement and there weas a human jockey riding him. It certainly fits in with Wikid's original concept of the "Greatest of Everything" draft. But it ain't my decision...

Why would there be a problem with it? the horse isn't running that race at that rate without a midget sitting on him whipping him to it. You think wild horses lineup at the biggest tree and race each other each Saturday in the summer while the donkeys place bets and watch?

 

[BobbyLayne]

I've been tiering the painting picks as they are selected. Probably wouldn't be necessay if there were only 20, but with 60 it would be difficult to scramble at the last minute. I've also been doing writeups, mostly back story research, so the final touches won't take as long.

Staycation Day Two: Momma just popped the first 7 of the 10 daily pills that keep everything regulated and working. Baby girl is teething; 110 decibals coming out of a 15 pound package is impressive. Looking at a day of 5th Ave shopping and matinee of a craptastic musical. Baby Momma is cranky, which is about like reporting the sun came up.

Life is good.

 

[BobbyLayne]

For the record, I have no problem with Wikid's pick of Secretariat's 31 length win as a "sports record". It's a great achievement and there weas a human jockey riding him. It certainly fits in with Wikid's original concept of the "Greatest of Everything" draft. But it ain't my decision...

Why would there be a problem with it? the horse isn't running that race at that rate without a midget sitting on him whipping him to it. You think wild horses lineup at the biggest tree and race each other each Saturday in the summer while the donkeys place bets and watch?

FWIW, I thought the simple (obvious) solution was to pick Ron Turcot riding Secretariat.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Interesting spread in my judging categories so far. A correction on the Google page - The Federalist Papers should go under Non Fiction, and the Bill of Rights should be moved to Political document. The lists below were taken from the google site so if anything got moved to another category I haven't accounted for that yet (except mine above).

Political Philosophical Idea

1 Discourse on the Method

2 Democracy

3 The Social Contract

4 Natural Rights

5 Republicanism

Still a lot more to go there. This isn't a ranking, just a list. A damn good list, by the way.

Political Document

1 Magna Carta

2 Declaration of Independence

3 United Nations Charter

4 Edict of Milan

5 I Have a Dream Speech

6 Emancipation Proclamation

7 Gettysburgh Address

8 Treaty of Westphalia

9 Communist Manifesto

10 Treaty of Totasillas

11 United States Constitution

12 Universal Declaration of Human Rights

13 The Bill of Rights

Almost everyone has one here already. Again, not a ranking. Just the list. I haven't got to sorting any of this out yet, although it looks like this category may get done first at this rate.

TV Show

1 The Honeymooners

2 Seinfeld

3 Saturday Night Live

4 All in the Family

5 Twilight Zone

6 The Wire

7 The Sopranos

8 MASH

9 The Simpsons

10 Monty Python's Flying Circus

Still a lot more to go here. I'm really annoyed I didn't get All in the Family. I just don't know if at this point in the draft it's worth it to take a TV show.

Very impressive picks in the categories though. Juding will not be easy.

 

[Mister CIA]

A correction on the Google page - The Federalist Papers should go under Non Fiction, and the Bill of Rights should be moved to Political document. The lists below were taken from the google site so if anything got moved to another category I haven't accounted for that yet (except mine above).

Fixed

 

[Doug B]

Worst pick: Stirrup

 

[DCThunder]

For the record, I have no problem with Wikid's pick of Secretariat's 31 length win as a "sports record". It's a great achievement and there weas a human jockey riding him. It certainly fits in with Wikid's original concept of the "Greatest of Everything" draft. But it ain't my decision...

Why would there be a problem with it? the horse isn't running that race at that rate without a midget sitting on him whipping him to it. You think wild horses lineup at the biggest tree and race each other each Saturday in the summer while the donkeys place bets and watch?

The problem is that Tim disallowed it because it wasn't a "human achievement". Then Wikid lived up to his name and got pissahed and picked that Jackson Pollock thing that sounds like feminine deoderant spray. "I feel so fresh with Lavendar Mist #5!".

 

[ScottNorwood]

the clear pick for #1 movie is still on the board

 

[timschochet]

WP could have appealed my ruling. Or he could have done what BL suggested and chosen the jockey riding the horse. Instead he chose to make another pick.

 

[El Floppo]

Worst pick: Stirrup

I thought it was a decent, not great pick within the cat- but still lots of better picks out there, IMO.Do I go at 10:00?

 

[El Floppo]

the clear pick for #1 movie is still on the board

Without spotlighting... is it Staying Alive?

 

[timschochet]

Worst pick: Stirrup

I thought it was a decent, not great pick within the cat- but still lots of better picks out there, IMO.Do I go at 10:00?

No- thatguy goes on the clock for 1 hour.

 

[ScottNorwood]

the clear pick for #1 movie is still on the board

Without spotlighting... is it Staying Alive?

Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo

 

[Doug B]

For the record, I have no problem with Wikid's pick of Secretariat's 31 length win as a "sports record". It's a great achievement and there weas a human jockey riding him. It certainly fits in with Wikid's original concept of the "Greatest of Everything" draft. But it ain't my decision...

Why would there be a problem with it? the horse isn't running that race at that rate without a midget sitting on him whipping him to it. You think wild horses lineup at the biggest tree and race each other each Saturday in the summer while the donkeys place bets and watch?

FWIW, I thought the simple (obvious) solution was to pick Ron Turcot riding Secretariat.

I could go for this. Horce racing is a human pursuit ... the humans to credit are the breeders, trainers, and jockeys.

 

[Doug B]

Political Philosophical Idea

1 Discourse on the Method

2 Democracy

3 The Social Contract

4 Natural Rights

5 Republicanism

Still a lot more to go there. This isn't a ranking, just a list. A damn good list, by the way.

No kidding. Still can't believe we didn't stay at 60 deep here

 

[timschochet]

the clear pick for #1 movie is still on the board

Without spotlighting... is it Staying Alive?

Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo

A comparison between the two of these films demonstrates that both of them have much to offer. Staying Alive was directed by Sylvester Stallone, features a song by his brother Frank, and continues the saga of Tony Manero. On the other hand, Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo does feature Ice-T, and it's heroes have names like "Turbo" and "Ozone". I would be hard pressed to rank both of these against each other; I just hope if they're drafted, somebody else takes them and not Krista so that I won't have to get involved.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Political Philosophical Idea

1 Discourse on the Method

2 Democracy

3 The Social Contract

4 Natural Rights

5 Republicanism

Still a lot more to go there. This isn't a ranking, just a list. A damn good list, by the way.

No kidding. Still can't believe we didn't stay at 60 deep here

We did, and then it got changed mid-draft. Probably wouldn't have taken DOM in the first round had I known that the category would be pared down.

 

[Doug B]

Worst pick: Stirrup

I thought it was a decent, not great pick within the cat- but still lots of better picks out there, IMO.

It's a humble, unassuming invention that revolutionized communications, transportation, and warfare. The stirrup completely changed the geopolitical layout of the known world. We're speaking a different language today without the stirrup.

 

[Doug B]

On the other hand, Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo does feature Ice-T, and it's heroes have names like "Turbo" and "Ozone". I would be hard pressed to rank both of these against each other; I just hope if they're drafted, somebody else takes them and not Krista so that I won't have to get involved.

Don't sleep on the original -- it was Jean Claude Van Damme's film debut

 

[ScottNorwood]

On the other hand, Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo does feature Ice-T, and it's heroes have names like "Turbo" and "Ozone". I would be hard pressed to rank both of these against each other; I just hope if they're drafted, somebody else takes them and not Krista so that I won't have to get involved.

Don't sleep on the original -- it was Jean Claude Van Damme's film debut

The "sweeping the floor" scene could potentially get a nod in the greatest performances category.

 

[mad sweeney]

Worst pick: Stirrup

I thought it was a decent, not great pick within the cat- but still lots of better picks out there, IMO.

It's a humble, unassuming invention that revolutionized communications, transportation, and warfare. The stirrup completely changed the geopolitical layout of the known world. We're speaking a different language today without the stirrup.

Plus no Secretariat.

 

[El Floppo]

gotta go... can somebody take a pm with my pick please?

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

gotta go... can somebody take a pm with my pick please?

 

[El Floppo]

gotta go... can somebody take a pm with my pick please?

PM sent... gracias.

 

[DCThunder]

On the other hand, Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo does feature Ice-T, and it's heroes have names like "Turbo" and "Ozone". I would be hard pressed to rank both of these against each other; I just hope if they're drafted, somebody else takes them and not Krista so that I won't have to get involved.

Don't sleep on the original -- it was Jean Claude Van Damme's film debut

The "sweeping the floor" scene could potentially get a nod in the greatest performances category.

Meh. It's no Joe Don Baker in "Walking Tall" or Tom Laughlin in "The Ballad of Billy Jack". Now THOSE are great performances...

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

gotta go... can somebody take a pm with my pick please?

PM sent... gracias.

Nice one.

 

[Doug B]

Worst pick: Stirrup

I thought it was a decent, not great pick within the cat- but still lots of better picks out there, IMO.

It's a humble, unassuming invention that revolutionized communications, transportation, and warfare. The stirrup completely changed the geopolitical layout of the known world. We're speaking a different language today without the stirrup.

Plus no Secretariat.

Probably would've only won by 3 or 4 lengths. That's if the jockey didn't slide off halfway through.

 

[TidesofWar]

I will be out the rest of the day - if it gets back to me, just skip.

Will be beack to select my 16.13 tonight

Cheers, mates

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

thatguy times out in 20 minutes, right?

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

thatguy times out in 20 minutes, right?

 

[krista4]

Kicking off the Team Fennis invention category (finally) with one near to my heart:

14.20 Oral Contraceptives (Invention)

If this were a truly great invention it would be 100% effective.And I would be asleep right now.

 

[Bob Lee Swagger]

Okay, well, thatguy timed out by my clock, so here's Floppo's pick:

15.11 Movie- Staying Alive featuring Satan's Alley (slam-dunk Wild Card winner- two picks in one!)

15.11 Poem- The Road Not Taken, Robert Frost 1920.

1. The Road Not Taken

TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,

And sorry I could not travel both

And be one traveler, long I stood

And looked down one as far as I could

To where it bent in the undergrowth; 5

Then took the other, as just as fair,

And having perhaps the better claim,

Because it was grassy and wanted wear;

Though as for that the passing there

Had worn them really about the same, 10

And both that morning equally lay

In leaves no step had trodden black.

Oh, I kept the first for another day!

Yet knowing how way leads on to way,

I doubted if I should ever come back. 15

I shall be telling this with a sigh

Somewhere ages and ages hence:

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—

I took the one less traveled by,

And that has made all the difference. 20

 

[Mister CIA]

Okay, I checked with Tim on this and he said it was okay. If anyone objects, get your objections in and let it roll to the panel (or, Doug and/or Krista can weigh in immediately and put this to bed)

15.12 - The Super Bowl (all of them) - TV Show

Clearly I'm willing to sacrifice the Philly vote with this selection.

 

[krista4]

Okay, I checked with Tim on this and he said it was okay. If anyone objects, get your objections in and let it roll to the panel (or, Doug and/or Krista can weigh in immediately and put this to bed)

15.12 - The Super Bowl (all of them) - TV Show

Clearly I'm willing to sacrifice the Philly vote with this selection.

OK by me.

 

[timschochet]

Yeah, in my opinion, the Super Bowl, though it's changed styles and networks over the years, should be allowed as one TV show, and it's an excellent pick, could make an argument for #1 in the category.

 

[krista4]

I have a question about songs, and I'm sorry if it has been covered somewhere.

When we take a song, are we taking the composition of the song itself--i.e., we get all performances of the song by any person--or are we choosing merely the performance of a song?

 

[timschochet]

I have a question about songs, and I'm sorry if it has been covered somewhere.When we take a song, are we taking the composition of the song itself--i.e., we get all performances of the song by any person--or are we choosing merely the performance of a song?

First, I strongly doubt, given 60 songs, that this will ever come up. I don't think more than one person is going to choose the same song by two different artists.That said, IMO it's up to the drafter. When "Amazing Grace" was selected, it was obviously based on the composition of the song, not on any single performance. When "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Like A Rolling Stone" were selected, the specific performance was very much part of the selection. It's going to be up to WP to rank all this, but I think both options are acceptable.

 

[Abrantes]

I have a question about songs, and I'm sorry if it has been covered somewhere.When we take a song, are we taking the composition of the song itself--i.e., we get all performances of the song by any person--or are we choosing merely the performance of a song?

I'm not the judge, but for my personal list, I'm sticking to specific performances. Just the way I see it.

 

[krista4]

I have a question about songs, and I'm sorry if it has been covered somewhere.When we take a song, are we taking the composition of the song itself--i.e., we get all performances of the song by any person--or are we choosing merely the performance of a song?

First, I strongly doubt, given 60 songs, that this will ever come up. I don't think more than one person is going to choose the same song by two different artists.That said, IMO it's up to the drafter. When "Amazing Grace" was selected, it was obviously based on the composition of the song, not on any single performance. When "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Like A Rolling Stone" were selected, the specific performance was very much part of the selection. It's going to be up to WP to rank all this, but I think both options are acceptable.

I missed the Amazing Grace pick, which essentially answers the question. Thanks.

 

[rodg12]

Okay, well, thatguy timed out by my clock, so here's Floppo's pick:

15.11 Movie- Staying Alive featuring Satan's Alley (slam-dunk Wild Card winner- two picks in one!)

15.11 Poem- The Road Not Taken, Robert Frost 1920.

1. The Road Not Taken

TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,

And sorry I could not travel both

And be one traveler, long I stood

And looked down one as far as I could

To where it bent in the undergrowth; 5

Then took the other, as just as fair,

And having perhaps the better claim,

Because it was grassy and wanted wear;

Though as for that the passing there

Had worn them really about the same, 10

And both that morning equally lay

In leaves no step had trodden black.

Oh, I kept the first for another day!

Yet knowing how way leads on to way,

I doubted if I should ever come back. 15

I shall be telling this with a sigh

Somewhere ages and ages hence:

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—

I took the one less traveled by,

And that has made all the difference. 20

Love this poem. Was on my list of targets for the category.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

15.13 Twin Peaks - (Crap Box)

TV as art.

Who knew.

 

[Abrantes]

15.13 Twin Peaks - (Crap Box)

TV as art.

Who knew.

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

 

[Uncle Humuna]

15.13 Twin Peaks - (Crap Box)

TV as art.

Who knew.

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

<-midget

 

[krista4]

15.13 Twin Peaks - (Crap Box)

TV as art.

Who knew.

I have no idea why I didn't think of this one. Absolutely awesome pick.

 

[krista4]

15.13 Twin Peaks - (Crap Box)

TV as art.

Who knew.

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Karma.

 

[Abrantes]

CIA is my boy, but for the purpose of this draft, I'm not a big fan of the Super Bowl pick. Does it really qualify as a "great work"? It's a sporting event, and nothing is inherently "better" about the game itself than any of the other games played during the regular season, apart from the stakes. It hinges mostly on the hype and tension of the situation, rather than the content of the program. As such, it's a bit unfair, because Super Bowls don't happen in a vacuum. They're the culmination of a year's worth of NFL programming which isn't being technically selected, but on its own, there's nothing overly remarkable that distinguishes the Super Bowl game. It's almost exclusively reliant on context, and there's little artistic merit to speak of.

Naturally, I can respect the pick from an emotional point of view, but for the sake of defining the greatest TV shows, rather than sporting events, it seems silly.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

15.13 Twin Peaks - (Crap Box)

TV as art.

Who knew.

Great personal memories here.I was 26 and living in San Luis Obispo.

Had an awesome apartment downtown on the main drag.

(This was one of 3 apartments above a New York style deli, and the only apartments on the block.

2 band mates at the time had the middle apartment, and a good friend had the front one.

I was in the back one that had a sliding glass door that led out to the rooftops.)

Anyway, SLO had/has a weekly farmer's market on Thursday nights, also on the main drag.

It was always quite the scene.

When Twin Peaks came out, any of the crew who had been at farmer's market (usually about 20 people) would shoot up and cram into my apartment to watch David Lynch's weekly awesomeness.

Afterward, we'd hit the bars and usually end up partying on the roof til all hours of the night.

Amazing times.

 

[Doug B]

Yeah, in my opinion, the Super Bowl, though it's changed styles and networks over the years, should be allowed as one TV show, and it's an excellent pick, could make an argument for #1 in the category.

Wouldn't have even come close to allowing the Super Bowl as a TV show if it were just me ... but I see that I am outvoted. It is an event that merely happens to be on TV -- the broadcast is an important cultural happening, yes, but it's not the "art" of television. Also, it opens the door for one-time televised news events to be taken as Television Shows.That said, way to think outside of the box, CIA.

 

[Doug B]

Naturally, I can respect the pick from an emotional point of view, but for the sake of defining the greatest TV shows, rather than sporting events, it seems silly.

It doesn't belong as a TV show at all, IMHO.