krista4
Footballguy
tim is making a mockery of this draft!
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Official Great Works Draft (3 Viewers)
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krista4
Footballguy
TidesofWar
Footballguy
Guys, if I am not in the thread by the first ten minutes of my clock, please skip during the day. I will make up my picks this afternoon or evening. Got some tourist stuff to do today.
Please do not skip after the clock is off - I hope to be checking in shortly after.
Salut!
Please do not skip after the clock is off - I hope to be checking in shortly after.
Salut!
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ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I have to say, this is a terrible awful show
krista4
Footballguy
Aw hell, since I've known for two rounds what I am taking, it's unfair to the others for me purposefully to thatguy the draft.
This is what I was tempted to take last time for fear of Abrantes' sniping it, which inexplicably he didn't.
24.20 La Sagrada Familia (Building/Structure)
Write-up of Gaudi's masterpiece to come.
This is what I was tempted to take last time for fear of Abrantes' sniping it, which inexplicably he didn't.
24.20 La Sagrada Familia (Building/Structure)
Write-up of Gaudi's masterpiece to come.
krista4
Footballguy
And Fennis' pick:
25.01 St. Louis Blues (song) best performed by Bessie Smith with Louis Armstrong on cornet
Take the 8 minutes and 49 seconds to watch and listen. It is worth every second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afS-jsXRBvQ
25.01 St. Louis Blues (song) best performed by Bessie Smith with Louis Armstrong on cornet
Take the 8 minutes and 49 seconds to watch and listen. It is worth every second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afS-jsXRBvQ
Postradamus
Footballguy
st louis blues was taken by wikkid
Postradamus
Footballguy
I have to be leaving in 10 mins...wont return til later, skip me.
timschochet
Footballguy
Good morning. The less said about my performance all throughout yesterday and especially last night, the better (though I am very happy with "God Bless The Child".) I'll do better today, I promise.
"St. Louis Blues" was just taken.
"St. Louis Blues" was just taken.
rodg12
Footballguy
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahbut nor-wood
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
rodg12
Footballguy
No worries. Not surprising you missed it. Your re-pick got more comments than when I originally took it.
Am I good to pick or should I wait a bit for krista/Fennis???
timschochet
Footballguy
Go ahead and pick. Our rule has been that when someone has a mispick, the next person is entitled to make their selection.No worries. Not surprising you missed it. Your re-pick got more comments than when I originally took it.
rodg12
Footballguy
25.02 - Symphony No. 6 Op. 74 'Pathetique' - Pyotr I. Tchaikovsky - Composition
Full performance here
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky's final symphony, written between February and the end of August 1893. The composer led the first performance in St. Petersburg on October 28 of that year, nine days before his death.
Wiki
Full performance here
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky's final symphony, written between February and the end of August 1893. The composer led the first performance in St. Petersburg on October 28 of that year, nine days before his death.
Wiki
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
There are still an absolute ton of good picks out there. My theme is going very well at this point too. I'm really liking my team. A few snipes have occurred by overall, I'm confident that it will be a true masterpiece of collective greatness.
Non fiction (1) The New Testament
Non fiction (2) Democracy in America
Non fiction (3) The Federalist Papers
Non fiction (4) Common Sense
Non fiction (5) Founding Brothers
It will be hard to match this non-fiction titanic offering. As a group they have to be upper upper top 3 tier. Individually, The New Testament is definately top 3, Democracy in America and the Federalist Papers should be well up there, Common Sense may get a hit but it was a very very important work, and Founding Brothers probably won't rank that high, but I had to have it.
Novel (1) The Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck
One of my favorite books read in school. A solid classic. Not too spectacular, but nothing weak either. Should be a solid selection, but there are obviously much better selections out there already. This category may end up being a weakness, overall, on my squad.
Short Story - The Legend of Sleepy Hollow
Solid solid choice here. I'm sure there are more world renowned selections so I don't know where it will fall but it should be closer to the top then the bottom.
Poem (1) The New Colossus
I'm guessing this doesn't rank very well in the category so I don't expect a huge score here. But it's probably one of the most known poems selected.
Invention (1) - Baseball
Invention (2) - American Football
I'm guessing the judge will have a hard time ranking these above more scientific choices which is ok. Still, I know most of you are jealous that you don't have them.
Painting (1) American Gothic
Painting (2) No. 5, 1948
No. 5 should vault me up a few notches, although it's relatively obvious that the judging here will focus on a ton on the classic masters, which means that I might fall because of that. Still, within the theme of my team, these are clearly the top 2 picks by far and so I'm happy with them. Middle of the road votes are probably, which is fine.
Sculpture - Statue of Liberty
The #1 in the category. Full arms have to count for something, no?
Movie (1) - Gettysburg
I took this about 4 rounds too early most likely, although the spotlighting that was occurring made me jump at it. I targeted it for my team from the beginning, so I'm glad I have it. It appears early on that it won't rank well against the selections already made, so I will have to work hard in this category to get my team up the ladder some more. Slight tangent - this category is so deep there is a part of me that is upset I took any selection here before round 50. But, like I said, spotlighting - not to mention what appeared at the time to be a mini run - made me jump.
Documentary - The Thin Blue Line
This should be a solid top 3 selection in the category. Hopefully the judge agrees with the documentary film crowd that agrees with me.
Building/Structure (1) The Great Wall of China
Building/Structure (2) The World Trade Center Twin Towers
Building/Structure (3) Yankee Stadium
The Great Wall is going to stand out in the theme here, but Americans love their Chinese food, and given the amount of Chinatown's we have, I'm ok with it. The World Trade Center was probably taken too early, and won't score very well against the wonders of the world structures. Yankee Stadium was all heart, so while I believe that is the most important sports venue in the world (yes, I said it - at least second to the Roman Colleseum) it probably won't rank too high. In that, I don't care. It's mine.
Play (1) Cats
Tim correctly pointed out that it isn't a concrete member of the theme, but it is the second longest running play in New York history, so that's how I fit it in. Many people attack it because it isn't Shakespeare, but the popularity and worldwide acclaim it received can't be ignored. It should be a top selection after the godlike ancient plays take the top 10 or so spots by default.
Song (1) - God Bless America
Song (2) - American Pie
I really think that American Pie was a steal where I grabbed it. It is the American Opus of rock and roll. God Bless America should rank high as well, but the judge has his work cut out for him.
Political Document - The Bill of Rights
The only pick I have in the categories I judge so I won't specifically rank or call attention to the selection. As an American document its top 5. As a world document, it will be interesting to see what else is taken.
Wildcard (1) 1969 Woodstock Festival
It appears that this is my worst pick by comments made. It was one of the things I was gunning for when I decided on my theme, so I went with it. Obviously, I could have taken it much much later so that hurts. The judging will probably end up with this in the lower half of choices, which is fine.
My overall team still looks good to me since the last time I did this review. The updated selections added have strengthened, not weakened the team to me. My theme is alive and well and kicking and it's been a blast to try to figure out picks to get in it. The categories I haven't selected from yet I don't think I'm hurt by given the selections made already and the depth available, so at this point the question is do I still focus on my top picks, no matter category, or do I start targeting certain categories to get them done and get something before the runs in them hurt my overall ranking by the judges.
Non fiction (1) The New Testament
Non fiction (2) Democracy in America
Non fiction (3) The Federalist Papers
Non fiction (4) Common Sense
Non fiction (5) Founding Brothers
It will be hard to match this non-fiction titanic offering. As a group they have to be upper upper top 3 tier. Individually, The New Testament is definately top 3, Democracy in America and the Federalist Papers should be well up there, Common Sense may get a hit but it was a very very important work, and Founding Brothers probably won't rank that high, but I had to have it.
Novel (1) The Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck
One of my favorite books read in school. A solid classic. Not too spectacular, but nothing weak either. Should be a solid selection, but there are obviously much better selections out there already. This category may end up being a weakness, overall, on my squad.
Short Story - The Legend of Sleepy Hollow
Solid solid choice here. I'm sure there are more world renowned selections so I don't know where it will fall but it should be closer to the top then the bottom.
Poem (1) The New Colossus
I'm guessing this doesn't rank very well in the category so I don't expect a huge score here. But it's probably one of the most known poems selected.
Invention (1) - Baseball
Invention (2) - American Football
I'm guessing the judge will have a hard time ranking these above more scientific choices which is ok. Still, I know most of you are jealous that you don't have them.
Painting (1) American Gothic
Painting (2) No. 5, 1948
No. 5 should vault me up a few notches, although it's relatively obvious that the judging here will focus on a ton on the classic masters, which means that I might fall because of that. Still, within the theme of my team, these are clearly the top 2 picks by far and so I'm happy with them. Middle of the road votes are probably, which is fine.
Sculpture - Statue of Liberty
The #1 in the category. Full arms have to count for something, no?
Movie (1) - Gettysburg
I took this about 4 rounds too early most likely, although the spotlighting that was occurring made me jump at it. I targeted it for my team from the beginning, so I'm glad I have it. It appears early on that it won't rank well against the selections already made, so I will have to work hard in this category to get my team up the ladder some more. Slight tangent - this category is so deep there is a part of me that is upset I took any selection here before round 50. But, like I said, spotlighting - not to mention what appeared at the time to be a mini run - made me jump.
Documentary - The Thin Blue Line
This should be a solid top 3 selection in the category. Hopefully the judge agrees with the documentary film crowd that agrees with me.
Building/Structure (1) The Great Wall of China
Building/Structure (2) The World Trade Center Twin Towers
Building/Structure (3) Yankee Stadium
The Great Wall is going to stand out in the theme here, but Americans love their Chinese food, and given the amount of Chinatown's we have, I'm ok with it. The World Trade Center was probably taken too early, and won't score very well against the wonders of the world structures. Yankee Stadium was all heart, so while I believe that is the most important sports venue in the world (yes, I said it - at least second to the Roman Colleseum) it probably won't rank too high. In that, I don't care. It's mine.
Play (1) Cats
Tim correctly pointed out that it isn't a concrete member of the theme, but it is the second longest running play in New York history, so that's how I fit it in. Many people attack it because it isn't Shakespeare, but the popularity and worldwide acclaim it received can't be ignored. It should be a top selection after the godlike ancient plays take the top 10 or so spots by default.
Song (1) - God Bless America
Song (2) - American Pie
I really think that American Pie was a steal where I grabbed it. It is the American Opus of rock and roll. God Bless America should rank high as well, but the judge has his work cut out for him.
Political Document - The Bill of Rights
The only pick I have in the categories I judge so I won't specifically rank or call attention to the selection. As an American document its top 5. As a world document, it will be interesting to see what else is taken.
Wildcard (1) 1969 Woodstock Festival
It appears that this is my worst pick by comments made. It was one of the things I was gunning for when I decided on my theme, so I went with it. Obviously, I could have taken it much much later so that hurts. The judging will probably end up with this in the lower half of choices, which is fine.
My overall team still looks good to me since the last time I did this review. The updated selections added have strengthened, not weakened the team to me. My theme is alive and well and kicking and it's been a blast to try to figure out picks to get in it. The categories I haven't selected from yet I don't think I'm hurt by given the selections made already and the depth available, so at this point the question is do I still focus on my top picks, no matter category, or do I start targeting certain categories to get them done and get something before the runs in them hurt my overall ranking by the judges.
rodg12
Footballguy
25.01 - Fennis - Re-pick needed (Selection was already taken)
Skipped
23.05 - Doug B (requested skip)
24.16 - Doug B (autoskip tonight)
25.03 - Postradamus (autoskip this pick)
25.04 - Timschochet - Up
25.05 - Doug B (autoskip)
25.06 - Abrantes - On Deck
25.07 - BobbyLayne - In The Hole
25.08 - Tides of War (autoskip today)
25.09 - Wikkidpissah
25.10 - Thatguy
25.11 - El Floppo (autoskip today)
25.12 - Uncle Humuna
25.13 - Misfit Blondes
25.14 - Bob Lee Swagger
Skipped
23.05 - Doug B (requested skip)
24.16 - Doug B (autoskip tonight)
25.03 - Postradamus (autoskip this pick)
25.04 - Timschochet - Up
25.05 - Doug B (autoskip)
25.06 - Abrantes - On Deck
25.07 - BobbyLayne - In The Hole
25.08 - Tides of War (autoskip today)
25.09 - Wikkidpissah
25.10 - Thatguy
25.11 - El Floppo (autoskip today)
25.12 - Uncle Humuna
25.13 - Misfit Blondes
25.14 - Bob Lee Swagger
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Wow. If we move today I think this will be the first time I get to pick in back to back days. Keep em movin' boys.
timschochet
Footballguy
Over 20 years ago in college, desperate for credits, I took a foreign films sampler class. They showed about a dozen of the foreign films considered among the best of all time. Sad to say I was just as much of a philistine then as I am now; most of them bored me. However, there were about 3-4 I remember really enjoying. One was 8 1/2, which really surprised me. Another was Seven Samurai, which was just sniped from me (albeit 13 rounds ago.) Here was a third:
25.04 The Bicycle Thief
Bicycle Thieves (Italian: Ladri di biciclette, also known as The Bicycle Thief) is a 1948 Italian neorealist film directed by Vittorio De Sica. It tells the story of a poor man searching the streets of Rome for his stolen bicycle, which he needs to be able to work. The film is based on the novel of the same name by Luigi Bartolini and was adapted for the screen by Cesare Zavattini. It stars Lamberto Maggiorani as the father and Enzo Staiola as the son.
The film is frequently on critics' and directors' lists of the best films ever made. It was given an Academy Honorary Award in 1950, and, just four years after its release, was deemed the greatest film of all time by the magazine Sight & Sound's poll of filmmakers and critics in 1952. The film placed sixth as the greatest ever made in the latest directors poll, conducted in 2002.
25.04 The Bicycle Thief
Bicycle Thieves (Italian: Ladri di biciclette, also known as The Bicycle Thief) is a 1948 Italian neorealist film directed by Vittorio De Sica. It tells the story of a poor man searching the streets of Rome for his stolen bicycle, which he needs to be able to work. The film is based on the novel of the same name by Luigi Bartolini and was adapted for the screen by Cesare Zavattini. It stars Lamberto Maggiorani as the father and Enzo Staiola as the son.
The film is frequently on critics' and directors' lists of the best films ever made. It was given an Academy Honorary Award in 1950, and, just four years after its release, was deemed the greatest film of all time by the magazine Sight & Sound's poll of filmmakers and critics in 1952. The film placed sixth as the greatest ever made in the latest directors poll, conducted in 2002.
krista4
Footballguy
I'd better get to work on picking up the rest of my foreign black-and-white films for the Fennis collection. Great pick.I'd make a comment, but it would be spotlighting...I'd better get to work on picking up the rest of my foreign black-and-white films for the Fennis collection. Great pick.
thatguy
Footballguy
I'd also make a comment, but it wouldn't be very nice.I'd make a comment, but it would be spotlighting...
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah, I know you're shocked. It actually surprises me when I like a film like this. Believe me, there are several supposedly "great" foreign films out there I'm aware of and could have selected them, but having seen them and disliked them, I could no more select them than I could take Ulysses as a novel.But 8 1/2 and The Bicycle Thief were different. I can't exactly explain why I really enjoyed these films- unlike Seven Samurai, which featured great action and a good plot. It was something about their feel, which I am not sophisticated enough to pinpoint or describe, having had no film education. I can say this: both movies were shown to me in a classroom on an old fashioned film projector. And this added to the feel- it was much better to watch them as actual "film" than to see a video of it on television, if that makes any sense.
Later on, after they have been selected, I'll make a list of all of the films in that class I despised, so that you can rest assured that I am still a barbarian.
krista4
Footballguy
I have three of four "locks" for the 20 rating in movies, but I go back and forth on the fourth. It's also possible that someone could make a future selection that gets that last spot.
So I'm wondering, what do you guys feel are the four 20s in movies so far? I'm just curious.
Here are the movies selected:
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Lawrence of Arabia
Seven Samurai
The Wizard of Oz
The Shawshank Redemption
Raging Bull
Psycho
Star Wars
Citizen Kane
North by Northwest
Schindler's List
The Godfather
Aguirre, The Wrath of God
The Silence of the Lambs
Vertigo
The Godfather Part II
Singin' In The Rain
Броненосец «Потёмкин», The Battleship Potemkin
8 1/2
JAWS
Casablanca
Rocky
Gettysburg
Dr Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying & Love the Bomb
Gone With the Wind
The Bicycle Thief
So I'm wondering, what do you guys feel are the four 20s in movies so far? I'm just curious.
Here are the movies selected:
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Lawrence of Arabia
Seven Samurai
The Wizard of Oz
The Shawshank Redemption
Raging Bull
Psycho
Star Wars
Citizen Kane
North by Northwest
Schindler's List
The Godfather
Aguirre, The Wrath of God
The Silence of the Lambs
Vertigo
The Godfather Part II
Singin' In The Rain
Броненосец «Потёмкин», The Battleship Potemkin
8 1/2
JAWS
Casablanca
Rocky
Gettysburg
Dr Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying & Love the Bomb
Gone With the Wind
The Bicycle Thief
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krista4
Footballguy
I can't wait to see this list! I think I have a good idea of what a couple of them might be.As for The Bicycle Thief (which is generally being called these days by its proper translation, The Bicycle Thieves, after being known as The Bicycle Thief for a zillion years), I would ask if you're a father as I think that makes a difference, as the movie can really get to you as a parent. But since you saw and liked it years ago, I guess that's not it.Yeah, I know you're shocked. It actually surprises me when I like a film like this. Believe me, there are several supposedly "great" foreign films out there I'm aware of and could have selected them, but having seen them and disliked them, I could no more select them than I could take Ulysses as a novel.But 8 1/2 and The Bicycle Thief were different. I can't exactly explain why I really enjoyed these films- unlike Seven Samurai, which featured great action and a good plot. It was something about their feel, which I am not sophisticated enough to pinpoint or describe, having had no film education. I can say this: both movies were shown to me in a classroom on an old fashioned film projector. And this added to the feel- it was much better to watch them as actual "film" than to see a video of it on television, if that makes any sense.I'd better get to work on picking up the rest of my foreign black-and-white films for the Fennis collection. Great pick.
Later on, after they have been selected, I'll make a list of all of the films in that class I despised, so that you can rest assured that I am still a barbarian.
timschochet
Footballguy
The Godfather, Citizen Kane, 8 1/2 (which you won't be ranking). The fourth could be Lawrence, Dr. Strangelove, or Casablanca. That's how I see it.
Abrantes
Footballguy
25.06 Modest Mussorgsky's Pictures At An Exhibition (Composition)
Promenade, Gnomus & Il Vecchio Castello
One of the first classical works I thoroughly enjoyed, after playing an arrangement in high school band. Wonderfully evocative pieces as we follow Mussorgsky down the halls of an art gallery. All sorts of imagery can be conjured up by the themes and impressive tonal variety woven here.
Promenade, Gnomus & Il Vecchio Castello
One of the first classical works I thoroughly enjoyed, after playing an arrangement in high school band. Wonderfully evocative pieces as we follow Mussorgsky down the halls of an art gallery. All sorts of imagery can be conjured up by the themes and impressive tonal variety woven here.
timschochet
Footballguy
I'll PM you a list. I wasn't so much emotionally moved by The Bicycle Thief as I was entranced by it. I'm going to have to watch it again now.
krista4
Footballguy
That reminds me...when we do rankings for these, should we just do--using movies as an example--four 20s through four 2s, leaving out the ones we selected? It's a bit more awkward than in the prior drafts because if you (tim) then slotted something into a spot, you can't move everything else automatically down. For instance, if I had The Godfather, Citizen Kane, Lawrence, and Dr. Strangelove as 20s, and you slotted 8-1/2 as a 20, would I then have to choose one to move down (and also choose in each succeeding level), or would we just have five 20s?
krista4
Footballguy
I absolutely love this. Learned it on the piano as a wee person and continue to love the piano version even more than the full symphonic one, but in either case it is just outstanding.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Without commenting on my pick, Seven Samurai (easiest pick in the world), Casablanca, 8 1/2 and Dr. Strangelove. That was simple. Citizen Kane can lounge in the 19-point area.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Good question. I haven't really thought about it. You will rank them as you see them, leaving out 5 scores. I will rank your films as I see them. If that gives us 5 or more 20s, so be it. It also allows you an out- if you feel, for instance, that there are only three films worthy of 20 (or 3 films worthy of 1, for example) then you can do it. You will be ranking 75 films total.
Abrantes
Footballguy
"Il Vecchio Castello" is the one that stuck with me the most, as it's absolutely haunting, but every other movement has incredible iconic power, from the madness of "Baba Yaga" to the towering epic of the "Great Gate of Kiev".
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krista4
Footballguy
OK, sounds good.
krista4
Footballguy
Yes, it is incredible from start to finish. I'm glad you took this. I probably would have later if still available, but I'm just glad when great works are getting their due. Aside from my favorite movie, there's nothing left out there that I feel I must have and I'm just glad to see great stuff being discussed.
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Fennis
Footballguy
first of all:Go ahead and pick. Our rule has been that when someone has a mispick, the next person is entitled to make their selection.No worries. Not surprising you missed it. Your re-pick got more comments than when I originally took it.
second of all how do you skip me when the clock had not even started?
krista4
Footballguy
I think El Floppo had something to do with it.first of all:Go ahead and pick. Our rule has been that when someone has a mispick, the next person is entitled to make their selection.No worries. Not surprising you missed it. Your re-pick got more comments than when I originally took it.
Fennis
Footballguy
that's a bunch of ####.... just skip me, ill be back to pick later.first of all:Go ahead and pick. Our rule has been that when someone has a mispick, the next person is entitled to make their selection.No worries. Not surprising you missed it. Your re-pick got more comments than when I originally took it.
rodg12
Footballguy
first of all:
second of all how do you skip me when the clock had not even started?
Sorry, GB.
Fennis
Footballguy
figures.
rodg12
Footballguy
Where you going to take something that was picked???that's a bunch of ####.... just skip me, ill be back to pick later.first of all:
Fennis
Footballguy
Nah, I meant link to the rule where I get skipped because my pick was taken. You guys make it very dificult to throw a hissy fit. It is my turn!I'm gonna BobbyLayne this draft.first of all:
second of all how do you skip me when the clock had not even started?Sorry, GB.
Fennis
Footballguy
semantics!Where you going to take something that was picked???that's a bunch of ####.... just skip me, ill be back to pick later.first of all:
timschochet
Footballguy
It's never been a stated rule. But several times when someone has made a "mispick", other people have not waited and gone ahead and made the next pick- this has happened in several drafts ever since I've been involved with them or beforehand, so I took it for granted that it was standard practice. The clock not being started was irrelevant. In retrospect, it seems like a bad practice though, so I think, if there's no objection, we'll reverse it now and say that from now on, if there is a "mispick", the person selecting has the remaining time allotted (although this won't apply to any picks that are vetoed.) Sorry, Fennis, I probably should have made this change beforehand. I hope you didn't lose out.first of all:
timschochet
Footballguy
Your cat pm'ed last night with congratulations- turns out he's a closet Lakers fan.
