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***Official Grilling and Smoking Thread*** (3 Viewers)

proninja said:
I don't know if you meant this as a challenge, but that's how I took it. ;)
Not a challenge. But when I go to a BBQ joint I always order the same thing. Burnt ends. That is what a pitmaster is to be judged by. It sure ain't the pulled pork!?!

 
Thanks guys!  I'm going to prep it tonight, and I'll get it on the egg tomorrow evening.  It should be ready for dinner on Wednesday with a few hours in a cooler.  This thing is 15 pounds, I'm going to need to invite some family over.  I'll let you all know how it turns out.

 
Did a brisket last week and the burnt ends came out great with just Sweet Baby Ray's and heat.   The flat still came out, well, flat.  Pulled from the WSM at internal of 203 (probe was in the flat this time, not the point) and then was in foil + towels + cooler for 3 hours.  Flat came out tougher than I wanted and not tender.  Is the flat tenderness a function of the amount of marbling in the meat itself, or should I be taking the flat off at an earlier temp? 

 
Did a brisket last week and the burnt ends came out great with just Sweet Baby Ray's and heat.   The flat still came out, well, flat.  Pulled from the WSM at internal of 203 (probe was in the flat this time, not the point) and then was in foil + towels + cooler for 3 hours.  Flat came out tougher than I wanted and not tender.  Is the flat tenderness a function of the amount of marbling in the meat itself, or should I be taking the flat off at an earlier temp? 
There are better briskets. I joined Costco just for their prime beef, particularly the steaks and the briskets. 

 
Does Costco typically have full packer briskets?  Last time i went to my costco they only had flats which was disappointing.  Maybe i should check another store? 

 
proninja said:
What grade of brisket? Meathead from amazing ribs basically days don't ask me why your brisket had issues if you don't use choice or better. 
I used Prime full packer brisket from Costco.  

 
proninja said:
In that case we're over my head in terms of expertise. Sounds like you did almost exactly what I do - same temps, same meat, same foiling - I haven't ever had it turn out like that. 
shrug.  the flat was still tasty, but not tender like I've had other places. 

 
Does Costco typically have full packer briskets?  Last time i went to my costco they only had flats which was disappointing.  Maybe i should check another store? 
Ask the butchers guys, and they only have a certain amount per week. When they are gone that's it.

 
Thanks guys!  I'm going to prep it tonight, and I'll get it on the egg tomorrow evening.  It should be ready for dinner on Wednesday with a few hours in a cooler.  This thing is 15 pounds, I'm going to need to invite some family over.  I'll let you all know how it turns out.
Take pics and share your process!  Looking forward to it.  You guys are going to make me get a brisket this weekend!

 
Take pics and share your process!  Looking forward to it.  You guys are going to make me get a brisket this weekend!
I haven't made a brisket in a year or so. I need to rectify that this weekend. Maybe I'll test out the WiFi capabilities of the Traeger Timberline. I'm co-hosting the Budweiser Big BBQ show on 550 here in St. Louis at 4. Throw in the brisket in the morning, go do the show in the afternoon and hope it's done when I get back. Letting it rest for 2 hours might be problematic if I don't get home till 5:30. OK, that may not work. Crap. I'm craving brisket now!

 
proninja said:
Hope? With the wifi you can check the doneness of the meat and adjust the temp remotely, can't you? Then when the meat hits the temp you want you could turn the Traeger down to 200, and simulate the rest, yes?
I'm not sure that's a true rest because it will be maintaining temp not coming down. I've never done it like that, so I have no idea. A big part of me doesn't want to risk throwing on a prime brisket and slice it early. I'd probably need to slice it by 6 or 6:30 if I wanted people to help me eat the monster. 

 
proninja said:
Hope? With the wifi you can check the doneness of the meat and adjust the temp remotely, can't you? Then when the meat hits the temp you want you could turn the Traeger down to 200, and simulate the rest, yes?
I'm not sure that's a true rest because it will be maintaining temp not coming down. I've never done it like that, so I have no idea. A big part of me doesn't want to risk throwing on a prime brisket and slice it early. I'd probably need to slice it by 6 or 6:30 if I wanted people to help me eat the monster. 

 
I have a Weber Kettle grill, what is the best way to measure the temperature?  You all talk about cooking at xxx temp and outside of using the bare hand over the coals have no means of telling what I am cooking at. 

 
I have a Weber Kettle grill, what is the best way to measure the temperature?  You all talk about cooking at xxx temp and outside of using the bare hand over the coals have no means of telling what I am cooking at. 
Go to the hardware store and buy a thermometer for a gas grill, drill a hole in the lid, attached the thermometer to the kettle lid and you're good to go. 

 
HOT FOOD HANDLING GLOVES FYI: You may be doing it wrong... 

This was something I thought was common knowledge until a recent FB thread of mine blew up over photo of me using this glove setup. For those of you still using bulky traditional silicone/rubber/etc gloves to handle hot food/pans... check this out. 

STEP ONE: Use Cotton/Poly glove liners like these

STEP TWO: Stretch a Nitrile glove (4-5mil powderless) over the liner. 

Boom. Under $20 for a months-to-year supply for the average backyard cook. 

The result is a sanitary outer layer and a surprisingly heat-resistant inner layer for handling hot pans, trays, foil wrapped meats. They're also great for pulling hot pork, or otherwise handling hot items directly.

The best part? They allow you to retain exceptional dexterity / fingertip control for tasks requiring fine motor skills.

I was using some this weekend to peel layers off a cabbage in boiling water. The steam and occasional dips into the rolling boil didn't bother me at all. The day before I was pulling a foil wrapped butt from a smoker and later pulling it while it was still steaming hot without issue. 

The easily replaceable nitrile layer is sanitary and can be changed out as needed. The inner liner stays clean  and is reusable. 

Just an FYI for those not already using this method.  :thumbup:

 
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Can brisket (just the flat or a point/flat combo?) be done in a gas grill?  Yes, I understand I'm a heathen, not using charcoal, but I only have a gas grill.

 
proninja said:
f I were to do it on gas I'd keep it outside in the smoke for a couple hours and then just finish in the oven. Would be way more efficient, easier, and produce virtually the same result. 
:goodposting:

 
HOT FOOD HANDLING GLOVES FYI: You may be doing it wrong... 

This was something I thought was common knowledge until a recent FB thread of mine blew up over photo of me using this glove setup. For those of you still using bulky traditional silicone/rubber/etc gloves to handle hot food/pans... check this out. 

STEP ONE: Use Cotton/Poly glove liners like these

STEP TWO: Stretch a Nitrile glove (4-5mil powderless) over the liner. 

Boom. Under $20 for a months-to-year supply for the average backyard cook. 

The result is a sanitary outer layer and a surprisingly heat-resistant inner layer for handling hot pans, trays, foil wrapped meats. They're also great for pulling hot pork, or otherwise handling hot items directly. The best part? They allow you to retain exceptional dexterity / fingertip control for tasks requiring fine motor skills.

I was using some this weekend to peel layers off a cabbage in boiling water. The steam and occasional dips into the rolling boil didn't bother me at all. The day before I was pulling a foil wrapped butt from a smoker and later pulling it while it was still steaming hot without issue. 

The easily replaceable nitrile layer is sanitary and can be changed out as needed. The inner liner stays clean  and is reusable. 

Just an FYI for those not already using this method.  :thumbup:
This is what I do when pull the pork from my whole hog cook on Memorial Day. It works well for pulling but not great for heat reduction. There are still times I have to yank my fingers out of the meat because they are burning. Also, should I want to add more coals to my kamado that is cranking at above 600 I can't use the silicon/cotton glove combo. So while this works better than I expected, there are still uses for the heavy duty gloves. I always keep a set on hand. I'm actually trying to get a glove sponsor right now. A glove company was watching one of my live broadcasts and reached out to be featured. 

 
This is what I do when pull the pork from my whole hog cook on Memorial Day. It works well for pulling but not great for heat reduction. There are still times I have to yank my fingers out of the meat because they are burning. 
Cmon nancy... build up a little bark on those booger pickers and you'll be able to handle pulling pork / pig pickin just fine  :D

 
proninja said:
It can be done in anything that can hold a temp with indirect heat. You could fire up the left burner, put the brisket on the right, and get some kind of device to produce smoke in there like an amazn. 

If I were to do it on gas I'd keep it outside in the smoke for a couple hours and then just finish in the oven. Would be way more efficient, easier, and produce virtually the same result. 
This is a great point. The meat only takes on the smoke for so long. Generally when the meat gets to 140-160 outside temp (as in the skin of the meat, not internal temp), it stops taking on smoke flavor. This is why the reverse sear method is so popular because searing first negates much smoke penetration. After a couple hours of smoke, it's not the smoke that's making the brisket great, it's the heat. That heat can come from a smoker or an oven at that point. 

 
proninja said:
Any of you guys gave a standalone sear burner? I've got natural gas plumbed outside to where I was planning on putting a gas grill, but I think between the egg and the traeger I have about zero use for the grill itself. But a burner that could get to 1200 degrees in a minute at the turn of a dial sounds amazing. So I'm thinking of just getting a built in like the fire magic,  making a cabinet, and getting a cover for it. 
The only thing would be if you were ever planning on doing burgers/brats/dogs for a crowd the full gas grill might be a good call. But then again, you could smoke them in the traeger and finish on the egg and everything would taste better. 

Oh, one other option, I cook breakfast on my gas grill all the time. Two cast iron griddles will cook 1 lb of bacon without stinking up the house or getting grease on the stove or counter tops. Now that it is warming up, we do breakfast 2-3 times a month on the deck. 

 
This is a great point. The meat only takes on the smoke for so long. Generally when the meat gets to 140-160 outside temp (as in the skin of the meat, not internal temp), it stops taking on smoke flavor. This is why the reverse sear method is so popular because searing first negates much smoke penetration. After a couple hours of smoke, it's not the smoke that's making the brisket great, it's the heat. That heat can come from a smoker or an oven at that point. 
This would work for all long time cooks, right? Would make the fire tending on my pbc reduce drastically, which would be a big thing when making varied food for a bunch of people...

ETA And it would allow for more different stuff to be smoked for any one sitting, right now it can get a bit tight wth the space on the pbc for all the stuff I want to do

 
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Ahhh. Sorry I posted the wrong link. The answer doesn't change though. In the comments sections someone actually asked about doing this on a Genesis 310. The answer was "Yes, you most certainly can! You need to go indirect, so only use one burner and situate the brisket over the two unlit burners. Maintain 225-250 and you should be good to go!"

Article for indirect cooking on gas grill

YouTube video on indirect cooking
I've never done this on a Genesis, but most gas grills have a hard time staying low. Even with one burner on. Don't be surprised if your chamber climbs well over 300. That's OK. Not as low and slow as people prefer, but it will work. 

 
The brisket is going on the smoker in about 15 minutes.  This thing is huge, I'm counting on at least 16 hours at 225.  I'm off tomorrow, so there is no need to hurry it along.  I'd love for it to be done in time for lunch tomorrow, so I can take some to my dads work.  We'll see, that's probably a bit ambitious.  Maybe I can get some burnt ends ready while the brisket goes into a cooler for dinner.

 
TheFanatic said:
I've never done this on a Genesis, but most gas grills have a hard time staying low. Even with one burner on. Don't be surprised if your chamber climbs well over 300. That's OK. Not as low and slow as people prefer, but it will work. 
Put it in the shade and crack the lid open.

 
The brisket is going on the smoker in about 15 minutes.  This thing is huge, I'm counting on at least 16 hours at 225.  I'm off tomorrow, so there is no need to hurry it along.  I'd love for it to be done in time for lunch tomorrow, so I can take some to my dads work.  We'll see, that's probably a bit ambitious.  Maybe I can get some burnt ends ready while the brisket goes into a cooler for dinner.
so..... howd it turn out. 

 
ok gents so i think im going to smoke a prime rib this weekend.  Ive done one in the oven but not in the smoker.  Tips?  Tricks?  Do i dry brine?  If so how long? 

Hot and fast or low and slow? 

Thanks you kindly.

 
so..... howd it turn out. 
It was great, easily the best brisket I've made.  It was so tender, I could've shredded it like pork.  The burnt ends were slightly too crunch.  It was on the smoker for 20 hours, and then in the cooler for 4.5 hours.  I'll post pictures in the morning.  Thanks again for the advice!

 
ok gents so i think im going to smoke a prime rib this weekend.  Ive done one in the oven but not in the smoker.  Tips?  Tricks?  Do i dry brine?  If so how long? 

Hot and fast or low and slow? 

Thanks you kindly.
I've done a lot of prime rib.  First, I've found that bone in doesn't add any flavor, but it is a better presentation.  I always do bone in for Christmas and boneless any other time.  I generally dry brine 2 days in advance.  One day is great, but 2 days seems better, it may just be in my head.  My go to steak rub is black pepper, garlic power, rosemary, and Thyme.  Honestly any salt free rub that you like will do.  I go heavy on the black pepper with small equal amounts of the rest.  

Throw it on the smoker at 225 and go light on the smoke.  I pull mine off at 120, and the sear all sides until the temperature gets to 130.  Pull it off, let it rest for a couple of minutes and enjoy.  I honestly like my beef warmer without the rest, but my wife freaks out when I try to cut it right off the grill.  

 
The only thing would be if you were ever planning on doing burgers/brats/dogs for a crowd the full gas grill might be a good call. But then again, you could smoke them in the traeger and finish on the egg and everything would taste better. 

Oh, one other option, I cook breakfast on my gas grill all the time. Two cast iron griddles will cook 1 lb of bacon without stinking up the house or getting grease on the stove or counter tops. Now that it is warming up, we do breakfast 2-3 times a month on the deck. 
Blasphemy.  

 
I've done a lot of prime rib.  First, I've found that bone in doesn't add any flavor, but it is a better presentation.  I always do bone in for Christmas and boneless any other time.  I generally dry brine 2 days in advance.  One day is great, but 2 days seems better, it may just be in my head.  My go to steak rub is black pepper, garlic power, rosemary, and Thyme.  Honestly any salt free rub that you like will do.  I go heavy on the black pepper with small equal amounts of the rest.  

Throw it on the smoker at 225 and go light on the smoke.  I pull mine off at 120, and the sear all sides until the temperature gets to 130.  Pull it off, let it rest for a couple of minutes and enjoy.  I honestly like my beef warmer without the rest, but my wife freaks out when I try to cut it right off the grill.  
Excellent post. 

here's a primer on prime rib. #SeeWhatIDidThere?

Also, about the resting thing. I was a huge proponent of that for decades. Then I read this.

 
I've done a lot of prime rib.  First, I've found that bone in doesn't add any flavor, but it is a better presentation.  I always do bone in for Christmas and boneless any other time.  I generally dry brine 2 days in advance.  One day is great, but 2 days seems better, it may just be in my head.  My go to steak rub is black pepper, garlic power, rosemary, and Thyme.  Honestly any salt free rub that you like will do.  I go heavy on the black pepper with small equal amounts of the rest.  

Throw it on the smoker at 225 and go light on the smoke.  I pull mine off at 120, and the sear all sides until the temperature gets to 130.  Pull it off, let it rest for a couple of minutes and enjoy.  I honestly like my beef warmer without the rest, but my wife freaks out when I try to cut it right off the grill.  
Spot on.  Course ground black pepper to give the crust that extra crunch!

 

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