***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (4 Viewers)

[SWC]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

some dudes buy fast cars some guys buy there wife a new pair of bosoms and some guys have to brag it up about how they have loaded guns in reaching distance but i think everyone sees it for exactly what it is brohan take that to the bank

 

[Otis]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

some dudes buy fast cars some guys buy there wife a new pair of bosoms and some guys have to brag it up about how they have loaded guns in reaching distance but i think everyone sees it for exactly what it is brohan take that to the bank

 

[MaxThreshold]

What would represent a significant change to address the problem?

I don't think there's a particularly good "solution" to the problem of people going crazy and deciding that they want to kill a bunch of other people. Nothing spring to mind that I'd be willing to live with. Like tim, I'm fine with extending background checks to private sales; that wouldn't have done anything to prevent the CT shooting, but it's just good public policy in general. I'm also okay with restrictions on magazine size. Again, I seriously doubt that that would mattered last week, but it might be helpful in other situations and doesn't do much damage to the rights of gun-owners. But the basic range of what people are allowed to own probably isn't going to change much, nor should it.

I'm not okay to any changes in the way we treat the media -- news, movies, games, etc -- in response to this.

The only thing is that if some gun-owners continue to treat these rather minor changes as destroying the 2nd Amendment and a threat to their freedom, (the way many are in this thread) they're only setting themselves up for much more stringent stuff later on, as the opposition will be able to paint them as crackpot extremists.

Maybe. On the other hand, extremist crackpots like Otis encourage many gun-owners to dig in, because they rightly believe that no matter what concessions they make now, the goalposts are going to get moved again in the future. So this sort of thing works both ways.

I'm a non liberal who thinks assault weapons in the hands of civilians is stupid, and who thinks the handgun ban in the UK is working, and I'm an "extremist crackpot."

I'm just a dad who wants my kids to be safe. You're all way too paranoid about the motives of people like me.

Okay, now I nearly spit MY soda out when I read this. Wow. Are you intentionally trying to mislead people or do you actually believe that?

 

[Otis]

What would represent a significant change to address the problem?

I don't think there's a particularly good "solution" to the problem of people going crazy and deciding that they want to kill a bunch of other people. Nothing spring to mind that I'd be willing to live with. Like tim, I'm fine with extending background checks to private sales; that wouldn't have done anything to prevent the CT shooting, but it's just good public policy in general. I'm also okay with restrictions on magazine size. Again, I seriously doubt that that would mattered last week, but it might be helpful in other situations and doesn't do much damage to the rights of gun-owners. But the basic range of what people are allowed to own probably isn't going to change much, nor should it.

I'm not okay to any changes in the way we treat the media -- news, movies, games, etc -- in response to this.

The only thing is that if some gun-owners continue to treat these rather minor changes as destroying the 2nd Amendment and a threat to their freedom, (the way many are in this thread) they're only setting themselves up for much more stringent stuff later on, as the opposition will be able to paint them as crackpot extremists.

Maybe. On the other hand, extremist crackpots like Otis encourage many gun-owners to dig in, because they rightly believe that no matter what concessions they make now, the goalposts are going to get moved again in the future. So this sort of thing works both ways.

I'm a non liberal who thinks assault weapons in the hands of civilians is stupid, and who thinks the handgun ban in the UK is working, and I'm an "extremist crackpot."

I'm just a dad who wants my kids to be safe. You're all way too paranoid about the motives of people like me.

Okay, now I nearly spit MY soda out when I read this. Wow. Are you intentionally trying to mislead people or do you actually believe that?

I'm not a democrat, I'm not a liberal, I don't associate with a specific party or specific politics. I think the extreme right is batcrap insane and didn't have a prayer in this last election, but I'd love to see the republican party mellow out a bit and come to the center with a real candidate. I believe in personal responsibility and I work very hard and believe I should't have to pay insanely high taxes to subsidize those who don't. I think the constitution is right to keep jesus out of schools, I think woman should be able to make their own choices, but I think kids today are too soft, and that many people are lazy, misdirected, complain to much, blame everyone but themselves, and have a sense of entitlement in that they expect the government to take care of them.All that said, I don't like seeing little children get slaughtered. I don't know what political bucket that falls into, but I guess count me in with the one that thinks it's stupid to make dangerous weapons more accessible. I'd rather not see kids get killed.

I guess that's funny.

 

[timschochet]

What would represent a significant change to address the problem?

I don't think there's a particularly good "solution" to the problem of people going crazy and deciding that they want to kill a bunch of other people. Nothing spring to mind that I'd be willing to live with. Like tim, I'm fine with extending background checks to private sales; that wouldn't have done anything to prevent the CT shooting, but it's just good public policy in general. I'm also okay with restrictions on magazine size. Again, I seriously doubt that that would mattered last week, but it might be helpful in other situations and doesn't do much damage to the rights of gun-owners. But the basic range of what people are allowed to own probably isn't going to change much, nor should it.

I'm not okay to any changes in the way we treat the media -- news, movies, games, etc -- in response to this.

The only thing is that if some gun-owners continue to treat these rather minor changes as destroying the 2nd Amendment and a threat to their freedom, (the way many are in this thread) they're only setting themselves up for much more stringent stuff later on, as the opposition will be able to paint them as crackpot extremists.

Maybe. On the other hand, extremist crackpots like Otis encourage many gun-owners to dig in, because they rightly believe that no matter what concessions they make now, the goalposts are going to get moved again in the future. So this sort of thing works both ways.

I'm a non liberal who thinks assault weapons in the hands of civilians is stupid, and who thinks the handgun ban in the UK is working, and I'm an "extremist crackpot."

I'm just a dad who wants my kids to be safe. You're all way too paranoid about the motives of people like me.

Okay, now I nearly spit MY soda out when I read this. Wow. Are you intentionally trying to mislead people or do you actually believe that?

I'm not a democrat, I'm not a liberal, I don't associate with a specific party or specific politics. I think the extreme right is batcrap insane and didn't have a prayer in this last election, but I'd love to see the republican party mellow out a bit and come to the center with a real candidate. I believe in personal responsibility and I work very hard and believe I should't have to pay insanely high taxes to subsidize those who don't. I think the constitution is right to keep jesus out of schools, I think woman should be able to make their own choices, but I think kids today are too soft, and that many people are lazy, misdirected, complain to much, blame everyone but themselves, and have a sense of entitlement in that they expect the government to take care of them.All that said, I don't like seeing little children get slaughtered. I don't know what political bucket that falls into, but I guess count me in with the one that thinks it's stupid to make dangerous weapons more accessible. I'd rather not see kids get killed.

I guess that's funny.

Based on this, I don't think you're a liberal. I would call you a centrist.

 

[timschochet]

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111383/the-national-rifle-association-decadent-and-depraved

Well, now we know why they waited a week. National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre just announced that guns are basically the only thing not responsible for the killing a week ago of 26 people, 20 of them small children, at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Against past experience as well as just basic common sense, it doesn’t even consider that working to decrease the number of guns, particularly dangerous guns, in circulation—via new bans, taxes, regulations, buy-back programs, and more—could possibly be the answer.

Which, in fairness, isn’t the NRA’s job: It is an advocacy group for guns. It loves guns the way dogs love food and sleep. (Which is why political crisis communications specialists I spoke to earlier this week unanimously advised the NRA to say nothing: “This is not a good time to try to have a meaningful conversation about gun violence, particularly if you fall on the pro–Second Amendment side of the debate,” Republican strategist Todd Harris said.)

A guide to the NRA's dislocation from reality:

LaPierre: "Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk."

Reality: LaPierre’s logic ironically follows that of the video games he elsewhere condemns: that evil killers are simply looking to maximize their body-count. If that were true, and if "Gun-Free School Zones" were the best way to accomplish this mission, we would actually have seen a lot more school shootings than we have. In fact, most American mass shootings have not taken place at “gun-free” day schools, the notable exceptions being the 1999 Columbine massacre and the shooting earlier this year at a Cleveland school. In those cases, the shooters were current students there; in Newtown’s case, the shooter was a former student. Meantime, mass shootings have taken place in such gun-heavy areas as a political rally in Tucson, Arizona (where concealed carry is legal) and on a military base. In sum, all evidence suggests that killers choose their victims according to metrics other than “safest place” and “minimum risk,” a notion confirmed by the fact that suspected Newtown killer Adam Lanza ended his spree in the least safe, riskiest way imaginable—namely, by killing himself.

LaPierre: "And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse."

Reality: Let’s see how much media attention Quentin Tarantino’s forthcoming, and reportedly violent, Django Unchained receives, and then maybe reassess the claim that the media try to conceal violent video games, movies, and the like. As for LaPierre’s subsequent contention that such media is responsible for the epidemic of mass shootings, this jibes neither with the fact that such media exist in plenty of countries without our epidemic (Canada, for instance) and with his own claim elsewhere that “our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters—people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them.” By his own reasoning, then, violent media have nothing to do with motivating these people.

LaPierre: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Reality: This might be the most accurate thing LaPierre said. Contra other conservatives, who have urged children to bum-rush the adult carrying the semi-automatic, this is in most cases true—it’s why Secret Service agents are, indeed, armed. What that sentence cowardly elides is that in most cases a good guy with a gun is not sufficient to stop a bad guy with a gun. One such good guy might be the armed guard who was at Columbine.

LaPierre: "With all the foreign aid, with all the money in the federal budget, we can’t afford to put a police officer in every school?"

Reality: LaPierre’s actually right about this, too. There has been absolutely no pressure, at all, to cut down on the amount of money the federal government presently spends, least of all from people like NRA board member Grover Norquist. And anyway, if funding police officers in each school is too expensive—Matt Yglesias estimates it would cost well more than $5 billion a year—then there’s no reason we can’t at least start planting new money trees now.

LaPierre: "But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by qualified, armed security? Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared? Is that so abhorrent to you that you would rather continue to risk the alternative?"

Reality: It’s possible. It’s also possible that that qualified, armed security would have been the second fatality of the day (the first was Lanza’s mother, who, as we know, owned guns). It’s also possible that the qualified, armed security, in the heat of the moment and firing at close quarters, would have shot the wrong people—much like New York’s Finest during the Empire State Building shooting earlier this year. So, in sum: Yes, it’s possible, but it’s not probable, and there is probably a better alternative to discouraging future mass shootings.

LaPierre: "I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school—and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."

Reality: Putting hundreds of thousands of guns in hundreds of thousands of new hands would require careful vetting to make sure that none of those hundreds of thousands of guns fall into the wrong hands. So clearly we should do that as hastily as possible.

Also, speaking of appropriating, wouldn’t lots of that new federal money go to gun manufacturers and sellers? The ones who fund the NRA? Could that have anything to do with this new proposal?

LaPierre: "We need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work—and by that I mean armed security."

Reality: Where is the proof that armed security is the optimal protection program, or even that it works at all? Should we be surprised that the National Rifle Association is jumping to the conclusion that guns are the answer to our gun problems?

The buzz phrase for describing the decline of the right is “epistemic closure.” Essentially, it is what happens when you only talk to other people who agree with you, and you all end up agreeing on an internally coherent set of facts and values that, objectively, are totally insane. Today’s press conference will provide an excellent case study for future generations.

 

[timschochet]

LaPierre: "Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk."

Reality: LaPierre's logic ironically follows that of the video games he elsewhere condemns: that evil killers are simply looking to maximize their body-count. If that were true, and if "Gun-Free School Zones" were the best way to accomplish this mission, we would actually have seen a lot more school shootings than we have. In fact, most American mass shootings have not taken place at "gun-free" day schools, the notable exceptions being the 1999 Columbine massacre and the shooting earlier this year at a Cleveland school. In those cases, the shooters were current students there; in Newtown's case, the shooter was a former student. Meantime, mass shootings have taken place in such gun-heavy areas as a political rally in Tucson, Arizona (where concealed carry is legal) and on a military base. In sum, all evidence suggests that killers choose their victims according to metrics other than "safest place" and "minimum risk," a notion confirmed by the fact that suspected Newtown killer Adam Lanza ended his spree in the least safe, riskiest way imaginable—namely, by killing himself.

I think this is a very strong argument. I am not convinced that gun free zones make us less safe, as so many people seem to believe. And I absolutely want schools to remain gun free.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111383/the-national-rifle-association-decadent-and-depraved

Well, now we know why they waited a week. National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre just announced that guns are basically the only thing not responsible for the killing a week ago of 26 people, 20 of them small children, at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Against past experience as well as just basic common sense, it doesn’t even consider that working to decrease the number of guns, particularly dangerous guns, in circulation—via new bans, taxes, regulations, buy-back programs, and more—could possibly be the answer.

Which, in fairness, isn’t the NRA’s job: It is an advocacy group for guns. It loves guns the way dogs love food and sleep. (Which is why political crisis communications specialists I spoke to earlier this week unanimously advised the NRA to say nothing: “This is not a good time to try to have a meaningful conversation about gun violence, particularly if you fall on the pro–Second Amendment side of the debate,” Republican strategist Todd Harris said.)

A guide to the NRA's dislocation from reality:

LaPierre: "Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk."

Reality: LaPierre’s logic ironically follows that of the video games he elsewhere condemns: that evil killers are simply looking to maximize their body-count. If that were true, and if "Gun-Free School Zones" were the best way to accomplish this mission, we would actually have seen a lot more school shootings than we have. In fact, most American mass shootings have not taken place at “gun-free” day schools, the notable exceptions being the 1999 Columbine massacre and the shooting earlier this year at a Cleveland school. In those cases, the shooters were current students there; in Newtown’s case, the shooter was a former student. Meantime, mass shootings have taken place in such gun-heavy areas as a political rally in Tucson, Arizona (where concealed carry is legal) and on a military base. In sum, all evidence suggests that killers choose their victims according to metrics other than “safest place” and “minimum risk,” a notion confirmed by the fact that suspected Newtown killer Adam Lanza ended his spree in the least safe, riskiest way imaginable—namely, by killing himself.

LaPierre: "And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse."

Reality: Let’s see how much media attention Quentin Tarantino’s forthcoming, and reportedly violent, Django Unchained receives, and then maybe reassess the claim that the media try to conceal violent video games, movies, and the like. As for LaPierre’s subsequent contention that such media is responsible for the epidemic of mass shootings, this jibes neither with the fact that such media exist in plenty of countries without our epidemic (Canada, for instance) and with his own claim elsewhere that “our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters—people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them.” By his own reasoning, then, violent media have nothing to do with motivating these people.

LaPierre: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Reality: This might be the most accurate thing LaPierre said. Contra other conservatives, who have urged children to bum-rush the adult carrying the semi-automatic, this is in most cases true—it’s why Secret Service agents are, indeed, armed. What that sentence cowardly elides is that in most cases a good guy with a gun is not sufficient to stop a bad guy with a gun. One such good guy might be the armed guard who was at Columbine.

LaPierre: "With all the foreign aid, with all the money in the federal budget, we can’t afford to put a police officer in every school?"

Reality: LaPierre’s actually right about this, too. There has been absolutely no pressure, at all, to cut down on the amount of money the federal government presently spends, least of all from people like NRA board member Grover Norquist. And anyway, if funding police officers in each school is too expensive—Matt Yglesias estimates it would cost well more than $5 billion a year—then there’s no reason we can’t at least start planting new money trees now.

LaPierre: "But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by qualified, armed security? Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared? Is that so abhorrent to you that you would rather continue to risk the alternative?"

Reality: It’s possible. It’s also possible that that qualified, armed security would have been the second fatality of the day (the first was Lanza’s mother, who, as we know, owned guns). It’s also possible that the qualified, armed security, in the heat of the moment and firing at close quarters, would have shot the wrong people—much like New York’s Finest during the Empire State Building shooting earlier this year. So, in sum: Yes, it’s possible, but it’s not probable, and there is probably a better alternative to discouraging future mass shootings.

LaPierre: "I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school—and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."

Reality: Putting hundreds of thousands of guns in hundreds of thousands of new hands would require careful vetting to make sure that none of those hundreds of thousands of guns fall into the wrong hands. So clearly we should do that as hastily as possible.

Also, speaking of appropriating, wouldn’t lots of that new federal money go to gun manufacturers and sellers? The ones who fund the NRA? Could that have anything to do with this new proposal?

LaPierre: "We need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work—and by that I mean armed security."

Reality: Where is the proof that armed security is the optimal protection program, or even that it works at all? Should we be surprised that the National Rifle Association is jumping to the conclusion that guns are the answer to our gun problems?

The buzz phrase for describing the decline of the right is “epistemic closure.” Essentially, it is what happens when you only talk to other people who agree with you, and you all end up agreeing on an internally coherent set of facts and values that, objectively, are totally insane. Today’s press conference will provide an excellent case study for future generations.

"the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," says wayne lapierre, a bad guy with a gunWhat a convoluted clustr####

 

[cstu]

Locked gun the the principles office or allow those properly trained to carry non-leathal tasers?

Here's the extent that I would personally compromise: if teachers or other school authorities desire to voluntarily train themselves with non-lethal weapons like tasers, then I suppose I would be OK with them having these in the classroom- I think. However, I don't see this as a reasonable alternative to the gun control laws I am in favor of.

Because a taser has never killed anyone?

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I'm really uncomfortable even with this. I just don't want this sort of thing in the classroom.

I don't want them where kids are going to be but in the principal's office I think it's an excellent idea. What I don't like is paying $80k a year for a guy to stand around doing nothing when that money would be better spent hiring a school counselor.

 

[Otis]

I feel like I've heard LaPierre and the NRA's views somewhere before.

 

[tommyGunZ]

NRA got lambasted by Nightline last night. Bloomberg was less than kind. I imagine their power over politicians is waning. Sea change in America?

Well, to be fair, Bloomberg has never been a fan. The key will be what Republicans in the House and Senate do when this issue comes up for a vote. So far they have been largely silent.

They profiled a female republican politician from Tennessee who was in the hip pocking of the NRA. However, she was against allowing Tenn citizens the right to carry a gun in a car (or something). The NRA attacked her like a pack of bullies and she lost her election. She's speaking out against them now. I think more than a few republicans are going to follow her lead. We'll see. If this isn't a turning point in our country, I'll be surprised.

I wish you were right GM, but I don't think we're going to see any changes of significance. Too many people unwilling to face reality.

 

[Slingblade]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

 

[Slingblade]

LaPierre: "Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk."

Reality: LaPierre's logic ironically follows that of the video games he elsewhere condemns: that evil killers are simply looking to maximize their body-count. If that were true, and if "Gun-Free School Zones" were the best way to accomplish this mission, we would actually have seen a lot more school shootings than we have. In fact, most American mass shootings have not taken place at "gun-free" day schools, the notable exceptions being the 1999 Columbine massacre and the shooting earlier this year at a Cleveland school. In those cases, the shooters were current students there; in Newtown's case, the shooter was a former student. Meantime, mass shootings have taken place in such gun-heavy areas as a political rally in Tucson, Arizona (where concealed carry is legal) and on a military base. In sum, all evidence suggests that killers choose their victims according to metrics other than "safest place" and "minimum risk," a notion confirmed by the fact that suspected Newtown killer Adam Lanza ended his spree in the least safe, riskiest way imaginable—namely, by killing himself.

I think this is a very strong argument. I am not convinced that gun free zones make us less safe, as so many people seem to believe. And I absolutely want schools to remain gun free.

Because that no gun sign stops all criminals with guns? Right? Amiright?

 

[tommyGunZ]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

What color is the fairy who's flying around your bedroom?

 

[Slingblade]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

What color is the fairy who's flying around your bedroom?

Typical anti-gun ignorance...

 

[Henry Ford]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

What color is the fairy who's flying around your bedroom?

Typical gunz ignorance...

fixed

 

[Mr Two Cents]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

 

[tom22406]

NRA got lambasted by Nightline last night. Bloomberg was less than kind. I imagine their power over politicians is waning. Sea change in America?

Well, to be fair, Bloomberg has never been a fan. The key will be what Republicans in the House and Senate do when this issue comes up for a vote. So far they have been largely silent.

They profiled a female republican politician from Tennessee who was in the hip pocking of the NRA. However, she was against allowing Tenn citizens the right to carry a gun in a car (or something). The NRA attacked her like a pack of bullies and she lost her election. She's speaking out against them now. I think more than a few republicans are going to follow her lead. We'll see. If this isn't a turning point in our country, I'll be surprised.

I hope you're right, but the bolded is why I am fearful that Republican lawmakers may refuse to go along. They have, at least in the past, been terrified of the power of the NRA for exactly this reason.

That's why I truly believe this is a watershed moment in our history. 9/11 changed things forever. I think this tragic event will do the same.

I doubt it. The courts have made it very clear that the basic right to own a firearm -- including and maybe especially firearms like semiautomatic pistols -- isn't going anywhere.Moments like this are exactly why written constitutions are a good idea in the first place. They ensure that legislation passed in a hurry in response to an event like this can't go too far.

I totally agree here.

 

[Thunderlips]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

Were your parents this way as well?... Did they or you ever fall victim to any violent crime/home invasion etc.?...Is this a common thought process or setup in the region or state you live in?I'm not trying to be a #### or covertly poke fun at what (some) might call you being a gun nut.....that particular aspect of your lifestyle is foreign to me.

 

[the moops]

Always opening your front door with a loaded gun in your hand is the most deranged thing I have heard in quite some time

 

[Apple Jack]

Always opening your front door with a loaded gun in your hand is the most deranged thing I have heard in quite some time

That's got fishing written all over it. Like anybody in their right mind would put up with their father/husband acting like a paranoid lunatic everytime somebody came to the door.

 

[tom22406]

I'm starting to wonder if most of the posters here live in areas where crime isn't that bad so it's only seen and heard on the news for the most part.

I would suggest a trip to Detroit's inner city or maybe Baltimore,Philly,St Louis or Memphis for a week to see how life is like in those areas as an experiment and see if any opinions may change or not.

I live in a pretty safe place myself(or I thought it was)until a rash of home invasions hit very close and violent crime as well overall has increased because of our population boom here.Have I ever had to defend myself yet?No and I hope it stays that way.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

Were your parents this way as well?... Did they or you ever fall victim to any violent crime/home invasion etc.?...Is this a common thought process or setup in the region or state you live in?I'm not trying to be a #### or covertly poke fun at what (some) might call you being a gun nut.....that particular aspect of your lifestyle is foreign to me.

Bought my first gun less than a year ago, after my grandson moved out of the house. One person at work was car jacked, a girl from work was home invaded, pistol whipped and raped. It is just part of society these days. My wife and I both agree that we do not want to become victims. You don't have to live in a dangerous place to be a victim of circumstances.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Always opening your front door with a loaded gun in your hand is the most deranged thing I have heard in quite some time

I go to the door and look out with a gun in my hand pointed at the ceiling. If it is someone I know the door is opened and gun put up as soon as I open the door. It is at no time a danger or deranged, but available if needed.

 

[3C's]

Always opening your front door with a loaded gun in your hand is the most deranged thing I have heard in quite some time

I go to the door and look out with a gun in my hand pointed at the ceiling. If it is someone I know the door is opened and gun put up as soon as I open the door. It is at no time a danger or deranged, but available if needed.

Sounds paranoid, if not deranged.

 

[boots11234]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

Were your parents this way as well?... Did they or you ever fall victim to any violent crime/home invasion etc.?...Is this a common thought process or setup in the region or state you live in?I'm not trying to be a #### or covertly poke fun at what (some) might call you being a gun nut.....that particular aspect of your lifestyle is foreign to me.

Bought my first gun less than a year ago, after my grandson moved out of the house. One person at work was car jacked, a girl from work was home invaded, pistol whipped and raped. It is just part of society these days. My wife and I both agree that we do not want to become victims. You don't have to live in a dangerous place to be a victim of circumstances.

Wow that sucks. When u go to the door is it visible? Can you see outside without them seeing you? I don't have a problem with what you are doing but me personally, I'd keep it hidden in case it was the Girl Scouts sellin cookies or something. Kind of assess the threat b4 scaring the crap out of them

 

[Mister Martie]

Always opening your front door with a loaded gun in your hand is the most deranged thing I have heard in quite some time

I go to the door and look out with a gun in my hand pointed at the ceiling. If it is someone I know the door is opened and gun put up as soon as I open the door. It is at no time a danger or deranged, but available if needed.

Sounds paranoid, if not deranged.

Totally bizarre and dangerous.

 

[pantherclub]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

you sound like you have ...........issues

 

[Mister Martie]

Do home invasions normally start off with someone knocking on your door or ringing the doorbell and waiting for you to answer the door?

 

[timschochet]

After watching LaPierre on Meet The Press, I'm pessimistic once again. The politics are that in order to get any bill passed, Republicans in the House have to support it. That's not going to happen. They're not going to support even the most modest proposals, IMO.

 

[Neovivo]

After watching LaPierre on Meet The Press, I'm pessimistic once again. The politics are that in order to get any bill passed, Republicans in the House have to support it. That's not going to happen. They're not going to support even the most modest proposals, IMO.

And, this will lead further to their extinction. Good for America!

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Do home invasions normally start off with someone knocking on your door or ringing the doorbell and waiting for you to answer the door?

Some do, when you open the door they attack you. Most home invasions occur at night.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Do home invasions normally start off with someone knocking on your door or ringing the doorbell and waiting for you to answer the door?

Some do, when you open the door they attack you. Most home invasions occur at night.

And which of these scenarios is you taking a loaded weapon to the door everytime, even though you look outside before opening it, going to prevent?

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

 

[tom22406]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I think they were after milk and cookies

 

[3C's]

Picturing this

http://images.hitfix.com/photos/2457287/Chuck-Zito-in-Sons-of-Anarchy_article_story_main.jpg

 

[Henry Ford]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

So, it's not just because you keep guns in your bedrooom. It's because you keep a loaded gun with you at all times.

 

[jafo]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I feel no one has the right to my take my stuff, whether they try and harm me doesn't change things..I am prepared to stop them. Why let the criminals rule?

 

[Henry Ford]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I feel no one has the right to my take my stuff, whether they try and harm me doesn't change things..I am prepared to stop them. Why let the criminals rule?

Guessing you've never actually shot anyone.

 

[Sammy3469]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

Just wow

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

People actually live like this?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I feel no one has the right to my take my stuff, whether they try and harm me doesn't change things..I am prepared to stop them. Why let the criminals rule?

I think by and large letting them have your stuff is just the better play. However the thought that people are only trying to take your TV is simply not true. In fact it is pretty stupid. My ex-wife was savagely beaten and raped by an intruder. He didn't take anything and he didn't even know her. His friend lived down the street. He saw her walk in the house and just went in a few minutes later. She was upstairs in the bedroom changing. He broke open the door.So anytime somebody says they keep a gun in their bedroom or anywhere else in their house, I don't dismiss those people as crazy. I simply think there is a good chance they have been touched by a similar tragedy. It is the same reason I can understand people saying they would never in a million years keep a gun in their home if they know somebody that had a kid die accidentally from a firearm. Neither position is unreasonable.I live in a city now that has not had a murder in a home in many many years and as far as I know hasn't had any cases of rape by a passer-by or invasion in as long as I have lived here. My house is 200 feet from the street and I have a dog that goes crazy if somebody steps foot on our property. Based on the numbers I think somebody in my house is more likely to suffer from an accidental firearm discharge than be saved by an intentional one so I don't own a firearm anymore(unless you count a BB gun). If I lived somewhere else I might conclude otherwise and would like to have the ability to get one. I don't think anything more than a 10 round handgun would be necessary.

 

[Henry Ford]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I feel no one has the right to my take my stuff, whether they try and harm me doesn't change things..I am prepared to stop them. Why let the criminals rule?

I think by and large letting them have your stuff is just the better play. However the thought that people are only trying to take your TV is simply not true. In fact it is pretty stupid. My ex-wife was savagely beaten and raped by an intruder. He didn't take anything and he didn't even know her. His friend lived down the street. He saw her walk in the house and just went in a few minutes later. She was upstairs in the bedroom changing. He broke open the door.So anytime somebody says they keep a gun in their bedroom or anywhere else in their house, I don't dismiss those people as crazy. I simply think there is a good chance they have been touched by a similar tragedy. It is the same reason I can understand people saying they would never in a million years keep a gun in their home if they know somebody that had a kid die accidentally from a firearm. Neither position is unreasonable.I live in a city now that has not had a murder in a home in many many years and as far as I know hasn't had any cases of rape by a passer-by or invasion in as long as I have lived here. My house is 200 feet from the street and I have a dog that goes crazy if somebody steps foot on our property. Based on the numbers I think somebody in my house is more likely to suffer from an accidental firearm discharge than be saved by an intentional one so I don't own a firearm anymore(unless you count a BB gun). If I lived somewhere else I might conclude otherwise and would like to have the ability to get one. I don't think anything more than a 10 round handgun would be necessary.

I agree with about all of this. Good post.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

I feel kind of sorry for a lot of gun owners...living in such fear all the time must be draining .Scared that some bad men are going to try and kill you and your family. Scared that the government is going to take all your rights away and try to kill you. Scared that people might try and take your guns away,so you dare them to..."go ahead and try to take my guns and see what happens'. Always looking over your shoulders,waiting for the inevitable day you will need your gun. Hanging onto the 2nd amendment like a life preserver. Its really sad. It almost seems like you are all waiting for something bad to happen where you would need to use your gun,to justify all your fears.

I love how you draw this conclusion. It's so ####### cute.You really think I'm scared? With a loaded handgun and shotgun within reaching distance as I type this, I feel pretty damn safe.

People who feel safe usually don't keep multiple loaded weapons within reach while surfing the net.

Pretty obvious. I surf the net in my bedroom. I have guns in my bedroom.

And you keep them loaded and within reach at all times.. It's like a Christmas poem.

Why would you have guns and not have them loaded? Typically I have a 9mm loaded. but not chambered at one end of the house, out of sight but not out of reach. I have a loaded semi-automatic 20ga shotgun at the bedroom end of the house, loaded, chambered with the safety on and my Judge (revolver) in whatever part of the house that I happen to be in and yes if I am outside it is handy but not visible. When ever I leave the house the Judge is in a little glove box holder that sits in front of the passenger seat. It is left open but can be closed with the push of a button. It does not bother my wife sitting there right in front of her.Right now I am sitting here in my Man Cave with my Judge sitting on my computer desk. I also have 3 small dogs that let me know if someone is walking up the driveway or in the back yard. I do not go to the front door without the Judge in my hand. Family is used to me opening the front door (window on top) with a gun in my right hand. It is not an issue nor is it a threat or dangerous.I do not live in a "dangerous" neighbor hood but my neighbors are not what I am concerned about. Car Jackings and Home Invasions are very real in today's society. It is just a fact and I would rather be prepared than a victim.

People actually live like this?

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[Chaos Commish]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I feel no one has the right to my take my stuff, whether they try and harm me doesn't change things..I am prepared to stop them. Why let the criminals rule?

I think by and large letting them have your stuff is just the better play. However the thought that people are only trying to take your TV is simply not true. In fact it is pretty stupid. My ex-wife was savagely beaten and raped by an intruder. He didn't take anything and he didn't even know her. His friend lived down the street. He saw her walk in the house and just went in a few minutes later. She was upstairs in the bedroom changing. He broke open the door.So anytime somebody says they keep a gun in their bedroom or anywhere else in their house, I don't dismiss those people as crazy. I simply think there is a good chance they have been touched by a similar tragedy. It is the same reason I can understand people saying they would never in a million years keep a gun in their home if they know somebody that had a kid die accidentally from a firearm. Neither position is unreasonable.I live in a city now that has not had a murder in a home in many many years and as far as I know hasn't had any cases of rape by a passer-by or invasion in as long as I have lived here. My house is 200 feet from the street and I have a dog that goes crazy if somebody steps foot on our property. Based on the numbers I think somebody in my house is more likely to suffer from an accidental firearm discharge than be saved by an intentional one so I don't own a firearm anymore(unless you count a BB gun). If I lived somewhere else I might conclude otherwise and would like to have the ability to get one. I don't think anything more than a 10 round handgun would be necessary.

I agree with about all of this. Good post.

2ndedDespite having a hunter's arsenal here, I've posted before that I would flee my property, if possible, before getting involved in a gun fight or even a simple lethal boom of a justifiable homicide. It's just not worth it, but it sure seems a lot of "modern" gun owners relish the opportunity. Oof.I have an extremely low opinion of what Mr. .02 considers prudent self defense, and I've wasted hours arguing about similar with others. I have a nephew visiting me for the holidays right now. He's an ex-Army weapons specialist who keeps a loaded .38 in a drawer at the front door, and "6 or 7" other firearms planted around a house he shares with another guy and his girlfriend. Statistically, the odds of a tragic accident are far greater than these weapons ever being needed, but whatever. The girlfriend was sexually assaulted a few years ago. Her screams brought an armed good citizen to the scene where he discharged his weapon into the ground sending the assailant fleeing into the night. These anecdotes don't survive statistical scrutiny weighed against accident data from irresponsibly kept firearms, but on a personal level these folks say the same thing their adversaries say. If it saves just one life, then it is worth it. Ugh.All my firearms but one are stored action open, unloaded, locked away, ammo locked up in another room, like my father taught me. I used to keep a shotgun behind the headboard, unloaded, ammo side saddle, but I sold it. The one is in a cheap biometric safe, unloaded, flashlight and magazine hidden nearby.

 

[urbanhack]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I feel no one has the right to my take my stuff, whether they try and harm me doesn't change things..I am prepared to stop them. Why let the criminals rule?

So you are prepared to murder for petty theft?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I feel no one has the right to my take my stuff, whether they try and harm me doesn't change things..I am prepared to stop them. Why let the criminals rule?

I think by and large letting them have your stuff is just the better play. However the thought that people are only trying to take your TV is simply not true. In fact it is pretty stupid. My ex-wife was savagely beaten and raped by an intruder. He didn't take anything and he didn't even know her. His friend lived down the street. He saw her walk in the house and just went in a few minutes later. She was upstairs in the bedroom changing. He broke open the door.So anytime somebody says they keep a gun in their bedroom or anywhere else in their house, I don't dismiss those people as crazy. I simply think there is a good chance they have been touched by a similar tragedy. It is the same reason I can understand people saying they would never in a million years keep a gun in their home if they know somebody that had a kid die accidentally from a firearm. Neither position is unreasonable.I live in a city now that has not had a murder in a home in many many years and as far as I know hasn't had any cases of rape by a passer-by or invasion in as long as I have lived here. My house is 200 feet from the street and I have a dog that goes crazy if somebody steps foot on our property. Based on the numbers I think somebody in my house is more likely to suffer from an accidental firearm discharge than be saved by an intentional one so I don't own a firearm anymore(unless you count a BB gun). If I lived somewhere else I might conclude otherwise and would like to have the ability to get one. I don't think anything more than a 10 round handgun would be necessary.

I agree with about all of this. Good post.

2ndedDespite having a hunter's arsenal here, I've posted before that I would flee my property, if possible, before getting involved in a gun fight or even a simple lethal boom of a justifiable homicide. It's just not worth it, but it sure seems a lot of "modern" gun owners relish the opportunity. Oof.I have an extremely low opinion of what Mr. .02 considers prudent self defense, and I've wasted hours arguing about similar with others. I have a nephew visiting me for the holidays right now. He's an ex-Army weapons specialist who keeps a loaded .38 in a drawer at the front door, and "6 or 7" other firearms planted around a house he shares with another guy and his girlfriend. Statistically, the odds of a tragic accident are far greater than these weapons ever being needed, but whatever. The girlfriend was sexually assaulted a few years ago. Her screams brought an armed good citizen to the scene where he discharged his weapon into the ground sending the assailant fleeing into the night. These anecdotes don't survive statistical scrutiny weighed against accident data from irresponsibly kept firearms, but on a personal level these folks say the same thing their adversaries say. If it saves just one life, then it is worth it. Ugh.All my firearms but one are stored action open, unloaded, locked away, ammo locked up in another room, like my father taught me. I used to keep a shotgun behind the headboard, unloaded, ammo side saddle, but I sold it. The one is in a cheap biometric safe, unloaded, flashlight and magazine hidden nearby.

I think statistics can support gun ownership. Think of how many rapes, kidnappings, and murders there are each year. Then think of how many accidental firearm deaths there are. I don't think the numbers are even comparable. I realize not all accidents result in a death, but on the flip side I don't think you can compare getting shot in the foot with getting raped or kidnapped. One will be healed in a few months, the other can ruin your entire life. Not saying they always do, simply pointing out that they can.

 

[Apple Jack]

Don't the vast majority of home invasions just want your stuff and not to harm you? I'm not really afraid of those.

I feel no one has the right to my take my stuff, whether they try and harm me doesn't change things..I am prepared to stop them. Why let the criminals rule?

So you are prepared to murder for petty theft?

In these situations I always ask myself, "what would the taliban do?"

 

[tommyGunZ]

What would represent a significant change to address the problem?

I don't think there's a particularly good "solution" to the problem of people going crazy and deciding that they want to kill a bunch of other people. Nothing spring to mind that I'd be willing to live with. Like tim, I'm fine with extending background checks to private sales; that wouldn't have done anything to prevent the CT shooting, but it's just good public policy in general. I'm also okay with restrictions on magazine size. Again, I seriously doubt that that would mattered last week, but it might be helpful in other situations and doesn't do much damage to the rights of gun-owners. But the basic range of what people are allowed to own probably isn't going to change much, nor should it.

I'm not okay to any changes in the way we treat the media -- news, movies, games, etc -- in response to this.

The only thing is that if some gun-owners continue to treat these rather minor changes as destroying the 2nd Amendment and a threat to their freedom, (the way many are in this thread) they're only setting themselves up for much more stringent stuff later on, as the opposition will be able to paint them as crackpot extremists.

Maybe. On the other hand, extremist crackpots like Otis encourage many gun-owners to dig in, because they rightly believe that no matter what concessions they make now, the goalposts are going to get moved again in the future. So this sort of thing works both ways.

I'm a non liberal who thinks assault weapons in the hands of civilians is stupid, and who thinks the handgun ban in the UK is working, and I'm an "extremist crackpot."

I'm just a dad who wants my kids to be safe. You're all way too paranoid about the motives of people like me.

Okay, now I nearly spit MY soda out when I read this. Wow. Are you intentionally trying to mislead people or do you actually believe that?

I'm not a democrat, I'm not a liberal, I don't associate with a specific party or specific politics. I think the extreme right is batcrap insane and didn't have a prayer in this last election, but I'd love to see the republican party mellow out a bit and come to the center with a real candidate. I believe in personal responsibility and I work very hard and believe I should't have to pay insanely high taxes to subsidize those who don't. I think the constitution is right to keep jesus out of schools, I think woman should be able to make their own choices, but I think kids today are too soft, and that many people are lazy, misdirected, complain to much, blame everyone but themselves, and have a sense of entitlement in that they expect the government to take care of them.All that said, I don't like seeing little children get slaughtered. I don't know what political bucket that falls into, but I guess count me in with the one that thinks it's stupid to make dangerous weapons more accessible. I'd rather not see kids get killed.

I guess that's funny.

Based on this, I don't think you're a liberal. I would call you a centrist.

Wrong. That's pretty much the liberal platform.