Apple Jack
Footballguy
Not better than a direct quote from law enforcement, no. The correction of the Lanza's-mom-works-at-the-school error at the top of the story is especially entertaining in the context that you are presenting this.
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***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (5 Viewers)
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
How about a video from your flagship liberal network?"an AR-15 style rifle"Not an AR15.. just looked like one.. and more of the 'rifle was in the trunk' and 'only hand guns taken in the building'.....Surely you'll believe your brethren over at the MSNBC...
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
I don't watch MSNBC. And your brain is broken, so I'm out.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
With your tail tucked between your legs, you were wrong so you'll spout a few insults and run away sulking..
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I don't care if it was an AR-15 or a Bushmaster 6969, he used it to kill kids in the school. I've stated multiple times here that my concern is not the gun, but the high capacity magazines. The only reason I've continued discussing the gun is that you seem to think that regardless which it was, that it was not used in the killing. You are wrong. This is the State Police's official statement, issued not through the media but on the official STATE OF CONNECTICUT WEBSITE.http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
boots11234
Footballguy
I've bought over 50 30+ mags since this nonsense started, and I'm guessing over 3 million mags have been purchased by others. Lol and they won't even be banned is my guess. Obama has been the best thing for the gun industry since sliced bread. LOL!
timschochet
Footballguy
You're all set for home invasion, and defending yourself against the tyrannical government as well. Sad, pathetic, and laughable.
boots11234
Footballguy
USA! USA! USA!
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Was sliced bread particularly good for the gun industry?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
You know when you see a cat lady on the street wearing a Christmas sweater in March with lipstick smeared over half her face and your brain screams "Crazy Person! Crazy Person!" That's what most people's brains do when they read your posts.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
We use slices of stale bread for shotgun targets on our casual three gun courses. Littering the desert with broken clays is a no no. The sliced bread feeds the birds and is BLM approved.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Well, it's DiFis big day. We finally get a look at what the old ##### has in mind.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Are you sure it wasn't an AR15? So you weren't wrong? Or were you?Go back and read the original post..
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
If nothing else, it's nice to know you libies can stick together..
cobalt_27
Footballguy
You need mental help. Seriously.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
lol.. I got a laugh out of it
cobalt_27
Footballguy
As do you.lol.. I got a laugh out of it
Henry Ford
Footballguy
If you're being serious, this is the coolest thing in this thread. I'm definitely going to start lobbying for that around here.We use slices of stale bread for shotgun targets on our casual three gun courses. Littering the desert with broken clays is a no no. The sliced bread feeds the birds and is BLM approved.
Dvorak
Footballguy
And yet, his ownership of said property impacts your rights in absolutely no way whatsoever.William Bayes on the essence of libertarianism:
Your authoritarian position is weak, oppressive, and cowardly.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah, it's extreme views like this that caused me to quit the Libertarian party. I joined it over 20 years ago, and was very much involved; coming out of college, I was imbued with the ideas of Ayn Rand, Ludwig Von Mises, Hayek, and other writers. In many ways I still am. But around 10 years ago I was forced to quit because views such as yours became prevalent. I had become a Libertarian because I believed in essential issues of individual freedom, and because I typically agreed with progressives on most social issues and with conservatives on most economic issues. I did not become a Libertarian to argue about guns, or motorcycle helmets, or how tyrannical the federal government was becoming, or how evil the United Nations is. When the crazies started to dominate the party, I got out. There is a line between libertarianism, as our founding fathers understood it, and anarchy. When you join a civilized society, you are forced to sacrifice some of your individual freedoms in exchange for your security in that society. Thus, there are laws that you cannot cross the street against a red light. There are laws that you cannot drive at 50 mph in a residential neighborhood. And, in this case, there may be the necessity for laws making certain things illegal because their legality threatens public safety. None of this represents an "authoritarian position" except to extremists such as yourself.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
How would you even carry all of those?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
2 mag belt pouches. Thread 25 around your waist. Or skinny guys could use a four pouch tac vest to carry 8, toss 10 in a backpack and use 16 belt pouches.
I really wonder what it is in the states that makes what appears to be a significant portion of the population scared of their own shadow (even though they would never admit it)
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
It's probably been this way since Grok hit Grol over the head with a club and dragged his woman away by the hair.
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Ned
Footballguy
One of, if not the largest sportsman show in the country was cancelled today - My link.
There was a big uprising in the hunting community when they announced their decision to not include the MSR displays. I don't know the final count, but over 300 vendors pulled out as well as 40+ speakers to stand against the decision. It looks like the backlash was bad enough that they had to cancel the whole thing.
This spanned way beyond just the gun companies. Lots of archery, clothing, camping, etc. Pretty crazy stuff.
There was a big uprising in the hunting community when they announced their decision to not include the MSR displays. I don't know the final count, but over 300 vendors pulled out as well as 40+ speakers to stand against the decision. It looks like the backlash was bad enough that they had to cancel the whole thing.
This spanned way beyond just the gun companies. Lots of archery, clothing, camping, etc. Pretty crazy stuff.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I told you I don't care. I'm concerned with the high capacity magazines. You saying that this "assault-type" rifle and it's high capacity magazine were not used in the attack was the only reason I was discussing guns and then you cited two terrible articles, one from the day of the attack when all manner of media seemed to have erroneous information on every point imaginable and one from some long-winded conspiracy kook. I also made the mistake of trying to get clever and trusting a quote from REDSTATE.COM from December 29th citing the weapon as an AR-15. It turns out it was correctly identified as this .223 within hours, if not minutes, of being misidentified as an AR-15 on the day of the shooting. And, btw, based on the little research I've done, they are essentially the same thing anyway, only the .223 bullets are more deadly. Which makes me wonder why you're so wrapped up in what the gun was called in the press early on, but I digress. There is no question about whether or not there was an "assault-type" weapon used in the attack. Many sources cite the medical examiner as saying the wounds were from a rifle. Lt. J. Paul Vance said the primary weapon used was the rifle. ("BUT HE CALLED IT AN AR-15 AT FIRST [WHICH IT KINDA IS, ONLY MORE DEADLY] SO HE IS NOT CREDIBLE") So, the one cop misidentified a weapon as a weapon that it looks like in the first few hours...that does not discredit the police or the medical examiner and only reenforces why the police don't want to talk until a thorough investigation is completed. But then people will cry about not having information. So one of the downsides of this is that for an hour or two, people might think that the weapon was an AR-15 and not a gun that looks and acts like an AR-15, only is more deadly.Now about those high capacity magazines.
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IT certainly maybe but you don't hear as much 'i need to protect myself and my family speech' coming from europeans or canadians or south americans or asians..
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
It may feel good to frame it that way, but you're wrong. NRA fearmongering sparked an uptick in the firearms industry when Obama was originally elected, but it wasn't ridiculous like this. The NRA didn't have to say one word for this run on the industry to happen. In fact they were criticized for being mysteriously silent post Newtown and the run was well under way that weekend. Threats to ban products will always create runs on the product. Or just discontinue Twinkies. Pretty basic supply and demand.'Matthias said:
I think you are both right. The seeds of fear have already been stoked by the NRA...they don't need to say anything at this point. On the flip side supply and demand does obviously contribute.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Yep, Smith and Wesson and Mossberg led the charge. It wasn't the hunting community upset though. It was the manufacturers being told to keep their best selling merchandise and home. Old school hunters were mostly ambivalent. Tacticool kids and active military raised cain.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
You don't hear as much because it's proportional to the popularity of guns and crime in various societies. Both are unusually popular here.
So by having so many guns we have created this fantastic cycle of fear and paranoia that is going to be hard to get of. I think that makes sense...
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Yep. In gun related threads going back five years, I've agreed the 2nd amendment may be whacky.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
The run on the industry isn't about revolvers, bolt or break action single shot firearms. The run is specific to weapons that come with standard magazine capacities over 10 rounds. That which has been threatened is being horded. Very simple. NRA had nothing to do with it. Word spread like wildfire on the internet and the stockpiling commenced.'Matthias said:
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Speaking of word spreading on the internet, I visited my first gun board a few minutes ago. We're ######.
Dvorak
Footballguy
Now you want to ban cars that can go 50mph in a residential neighborhood? Because THAT is the apples to apples comparison you are making.
Ned
Footballguy
There's a 20+ page thread discussing boycotting the show on an archery forum I frequent. This reached a hell of a lot deeper than just some gun nuts.ETA: Here's a somewhat current list of who pulled out before they pulled the plug.
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Bow Shop, LLCDarkwoods BlindDCVRDan Christ Gallery / ArtistDead RingerDeer and Deer Hunting.comDeerassic Park Education CenterDirect Action Tactical FirearmsDirty Buck Soap and ScentsDirty Dog OutdoorsDomari Nolo Defense ConsultingDominance is Everything Hunting SystemDominator 365Dokken Oakridge KennelsDown N Dirty OutdoorsDrakes Migration NationDriven TVDroptine OutfittersDuckWater BoatsDunn KnivesDusk to Dawn BowfishingEastern Chapter Wild Sheep FoundationEastern OutdoorsEaston Bow HuntingExcalibur Crossbow US, IncExtreme Whitetails and ExoticsEZ Cut PrunersFarmland Trophies OutfittingFear No EvilField Proven CallsFirearms Industry Consulting GroupFirenockFirst African Outfitter / Hartzview Hunting SafarisFish Outdoor PropertiesFlatline ProductionsFlyway CustomsFoiles Migrators, IncFood Plots By DesignForbes Turkey CallsFOXPRO High Performance Game CallsFranchiFreds Waterfowl AdventuresFull Circle OutdoorsFurtakers TVGame Keeper CoolerGhillieSuits.comGhost River Outfitters – AlbertaGobbler Getter Turkey CallsGoey Hunting CallsGone Wild OutdoorsGoodling RiflesGrand-Safari.com – South Africa/Tanzania/CameroonGrow The Bone Deer AttractantGunBroker.comGut N Tag, LLCHart RiflesH.S. 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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Bullet points for DiFi's bill
Assault Weapons Ban of 2013
The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:
•All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
•All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
•All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
•All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
•All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
•157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this document).
The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:
• Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
• Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
• Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
• Antique weapons.
The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:
• The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.
The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:
• Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
- The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.
• Banning dangerous aftermarket modifications and workarounds.
- Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi- automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
- So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a workaround to prohibitions on detachable magazines.
- Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a workaround to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.
• Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
• Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.
The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines currently in existence by:
• Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault weapon.
- This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.
•Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.
•Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
• Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.
• Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices manufactured after the date of the bill’s enactment be engraved with the serial number and date of manufacture of the weapon
Assault Weapons Ban of 2013
The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:
•All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
•All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
•All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
•All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
•All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
•157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this document).
The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:
• Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
• Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
• Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
• Antique weapons.
The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:
• The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.
The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:
• Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
- The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.
• Banning dangerous aftermarket modifications and workarounds.
- Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi- automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
- So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a workaround to prohibitions on detachable magazines.
- Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a workaround to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.
• Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
• Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.
The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines currently in existence by:
• Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault weapon.
- This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.
•Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.
•Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
• Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.
• Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices manufactured after the date of the bill’s enactment be engraved with the serial number and date of manufacture of the weapon
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Here's the specifically named firearms to be banned.
They've missed tons but might have it covered with language. This is probably more interesting in the "buyers" thread.
They've missed tons but might have it covered with language. This is probably more interesting in the "buyers" thread.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
If anyone finds the complete text a link would be appreciated. Her chances federally are iffy, but for us Californians, this will probably be our new deal.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I'll remember all of this when I join a civilized society. Until then, I'm stuck on a planet full of nutjobs.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Maybe their shadows are allowed to by clips that fit 12 bullets instead of 10? That's pretty scary if you ask me'killface said:
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
A modified 22 round (.223) which in the shooting community is considered a varmint gun is an "assault-type" weapon? This is a novelty gun, made to look like the AR15, I can buy a pellet gun that looks like an AR15 as well. I gave you the Washington Post, and MSNBC which should have both been enough evidence for you.. And now the "cop" needed to wait till the investigation was over in order to tell the difference between a .223 and a 5.56? It will be plainly stamped into both the weapon and the ammunition..I told you what it was, you contested that, I proved it to you, and now somehow you have it twisted around.'Apple Jack said:
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I wasn't aware that our constitution was shared by the Europeans, Canadians, south Americans, and Asians..'killface said:
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
The common sense to avoid Apple Jack's understanding of firearms?
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
You say that as if the Obama administration isn't after banning certain types of weapons and weapon accessories..As it turns out, that wasn't a hollow warning was it?'killface said:
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Impressive. Every sentence is wrong.
Can you explain how this is wrong?
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