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[strykerpks]

More on Sylar:

It's possible that when he take someone's powers (by eating their brain, damnit!) that he doesn't permanently get their abilities (much like Peter doesn't keep the powers of those he is around). That's why we haven't seen him freeze anybody in his two appearances. This would also drive him to continually be looking for new people because otherwise he will just become a normal person.

Both times "sylar" has frozen bodies (kitchen crime scene and cop station) the little girl was there also. Coincedance or something to do with the girl?

I don't think he froze anyone at the cop station. Just pinned him to the ceiling with a folding chair.I think only the girl's dad was frozen (that we saw), or maybe the painter was frozen in Hiro's jump to the future... can't recall.

Nope - cop frozen on the floor of the cop station. And Isaac wasnt frozen - I dont think. Makes you wonder if it is Sylar or the girl with the freezing power.http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/images/photos/hro_1003_001.jpg

Wasn't someone stuck to the ceiling as well?

Yah, I remember that as well. I can't tell in that picture but it looks like a foot hanging from the ceiling in the upper right hand corner...

 

[Gamblor]

More on Sylar:

It's possible that when he take someone's powers (by eating their brain, damnit!) that he doesn't permanently get their abilities (much like Peter doesn't keep the powers of those he is around). That's why we haven't seen him freeze anybody in his two appearances. This would also drive him to continually be looking for new people because otherwise he will just become a normal person.

Both times "sylar" has frozen bodies (kitchen crime scene and cop station) the little girl was there also. Coincedance or something to do with the girl?

I don't think he froze anyone at the cop station. Just pinned him to the ceiling with a folding chair.I think only the girl's dad was frozen (that we saw), or maybe the painter was frozen in Hiro's jump to the future... can't recall.

Nope - cop frozen on the floor of the cop station. And Isaac wasnt frozen - I dont think. Makes you wonder if it is Sylar or the girl with the freezing power.http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/images/photos/hro_1003_001.jpg

Wasn't someone stuck to the ceiling as well?

Yeah - I think so. But one frozen cop for sure. Not sure if its significant, as I think I remember Audrey saying that "freezing" was Sylar's MO. Just interesting that the only two cases we have seen are when the girl is there too.

 

[Wheelhouse]

OK, so Sylar always wears a broken watch that reads 7 minutes to midnight. It was shown in the cafe and it was shown when Chandra Suresh was murdered in the taxicab. Didn't Isaac have a painting with a clock on it that also read that time?

Anyhow...

When Mr. Bennet tells Isaac Mendez that fourteen years ago, a woman with special powers died in his custody, leaving behind a toddler daughter (claire)...I wonder who that woman was and if we'll ever find out? Maybe we'll find out Claire's father too? Could Claire's father be Sylar or is Sylar too young to be Claire's father? If Sylar was Claire's father does that tie in to anything we've seen so far?

 

[Gamblor]

Another interesting concept I read:

The Audrey/Matt/little girl storyline is in the past and the little girl is Claire (AKA Molly). (whose parents died in a mysterious way)

Only character that has overlapped from the two stories is the horn rimmed glasses guy and the black dude - but they dont appear any different physically in the two story lines, given that the timeline would be 12-14 years apart.

Pretty far fetched - and I dont think there is any merit to it. Interesting thought though as it would be a huge twist if the writers were giving us two time lines.

 

[The Noid]

OK, so Sylar always wears a broken watch that reads 7 minutes to midnight. It was shown in the cafe and it was shown when Chandra Suresh was murdered in the taxicab. Didn't Isaac have a painting with a clock on it that also read that time?

Anyhow...

When Mr. Bennet tells Isaac Mendez that fourteen years ago, a woman with special powers died in his custody, leaving behind a toddler daughter (claire)...I wonder who that woman was and if we'll ever find out? Maybe we'll find out Claire's father too? Could Claire's father be Sylar or is Sylar too young to be Claire's father? If Sylar was Claire's father does that tie in to anything we've seen so far?

I think we were shown the watch breaking when he killed the dad. Might mean that now the heroes will know what exact time to go back to in order to save the dad, or capture Sylar.

 

[Buckychudd]

OK, so Sylar always wears a broken watch that reads 7 minutes to midnight. It was shown in the cafe and it was shown when Chandra Suresh was murdered in the taxicab. Didn't Isaac have a painting with a clock on it that also read that time?

Anyhow...

When Mr. Bennet tells Isaac Mendez that fourteen years ago, a woman with special powers died in his custody, leaving behind a toddler daughter (claire)...I wonder who that woman was and if we'll ever find out? Maybe we'll find out Claire's father too? Could Claire's father be Sylar or is Sylar too young to be Claire's father? If Sylar was Claire's father does that tie in to anything we've seen so far?

I think we were shown the watch breaking when he killed the dad, if that means anything.

Correct.Ok, here is a theory. Bennett is going to see the time on the watch and assume that Sylar is coming for his daughter at 7 till.....unfortunately since the watch is busted, he's going to be way off on when it happens.

 

[Gamblor]

OK, so Sylar always wears a broken watch that reads 7 minutes to midnight. It was shown in the cafe and it was shown when Chandra Suresh was murdered in the taxicab. Didn't Isaac have a painting with a clock on it that also read that time?

I didnt know this before - but there is a "doomsday clock" at the University of Chicago which has read 7 minutes to midnight since the 1960's.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

This storyline seems to be a play on that. Dont remember Isaacs painting with a clock, I do remember that when Hiro went forward in time and witnessed the explosion, it was light outside, and not 7 minutes to midnight.

 

[The Duff Man]

If the little girl has the freezing power then one would assume that Sylar has power similar to Peter's, that he can mimic the powers of those he is in close contact with. I assume the girl would not freeze her father or the police officer.

 

[The Duff Man]

Another interesting concept I read:The Audrey/Matt/little girl storyline is in the past and the little girl is Claire (AKA Molly). (whose parents died in a mysterious way)Only character that has overlapped from the two stories is the horn rimmed glasses guy and the black dude - but they dont appear any different physically in the two story lines, given that the timeline would be 12-14 years apart.Pretty far fetched - and I dont think there is any merit to it. Interesting thought though as it would be a huge twist if the writers were giving us two time lines.

Interesting concept. That would mean that Sylar either time travelled or has been killing people for 16 years. In my other post I mentioned Sylar could have abilities similar to Peter. If that was the case maybe he is not successful getting Claire in the current timeframe so he "borrows" Hiro's power to go back in time to try to get her as a child.

 

[malice]

I'm still not convinced based on what we've seen that Eden has the power of persuasion, or any power for that matter. She works for/with Bennet, who's organization studies heroes, but she wasn't able to persuade Mohinder to stay in the US to continue his father's research. Wouldn't it be in her organization's best interest to convince him to stay and work with Bennet and show Mohinder that his father was on to something real and not just chasing a myth like he believes? IIRC Eden kissed him and he still went back to India. I think she was a spy that was keeping tabs on papa Shuresh's research and reporting back to Bennett when a new hero was ID'd on his wall map.

Did you watch the last episode?HRG hands her the heroin and says something along the lines of, "you're the easy way, and you know what the hard way is". Then she whispers in his ear. Then he's high and painting.That was fairly straightforward.

 

[malice]

Another interesting concept I read:The Audrey/Matt/little girl storyline is in the past and the little girl is Claire (AKA Molly). (whose parents died in a mysterious way)Only character that has overlapped from the two stories is the horn rimmed glasses guy and the black dude - but they dont appear any different physically in the two story lines, given that the timeline would be 12-14 years apart.Pretty far fetched - and I dont think there is any merit to it. Interesting thought though as it would be a huge twist if the writers were giving us two time lines.

Interesting concept. That would mean that Sylar either time travelled or has been killing people for 16 years. In my other post I mentioned Sylar could have abilities similar to Peter. If that was the case maybe he is not successful getting Claire in the current timeframe so he "borrows" Hiro's power to go back in time to try to get her as a child.

Hmm...makes you wonder what might happen if Peter comes into contact with Mirror Nikki.

 

[Limp Ditka]

If the little girl has the freezing power then one would assume that Sylar has power similar to Peter's, that he can mimic the powers of those he is in close contact with. I assume the girl would not freeze her father or the police officer.

Which could explain how he got into the back room of the diner and killed the waitress with no one noticing.

 

[bane]

I'm still not convinced based on what we've seen that Eden has the power of persuasion, or any power for that matter. She works for/with Bennet, who's organization studies heroes, but she wasn't able to persuade Mohinder to stay in the US to continue his father's research. Wouldn't it be in her organization's best interest to convince him to stay and work with Bennet and show Mohinder that his father was on to something real and not just chasing a myth like he believes? IIRC Eden kissed him and he still went back to India. I think she was a spy that was keeping tabs on papa Shuresh's research and reporting back to Bennett when a new hero was ID'd on his wall map.

Did you watch the last episode?HRG hands her the heroin and says something along the lines of, "you're the easy way, and you know what the hard way is". Then she whispers in his ear. Then he's high and painting.That was fairly straightforward.

When HRG tells her to do it, she said something to the effect of, "You told me I wouldn't have to do this again." After which he reminded her of the condition she was in when he "found" her. I believe she was talking about using her powers of persuasion.

 

[Drifter]

If the little girl has the freezing power then one would assume that Sylar has power similar to Peter's, that he can mimic the powers of those he is in close contact with. I assume the girl would not freeze her father or the police officer.

Which could explain how he got into the back room of the diner and killed the waitress with no one noticing.

True that. Maybe he has the exact same power as Peter. He absorbs their power when he is around someone but he keeps it (or at least keeps it longer) if he eats their brain (maybe Peter could do this as well is he chose to)

 

[rhawkins68]

OK, so Sylar always wears a broken watch that reads 7 minutes to midnight. It was shown in the cafe and it was shown when Chandra Suresh was murdered in the taxicab. Didn't Isaac have a painting with a clock on it that also read that time?

I didnt know this before - but there is a "doomsday clock" at the University of Chicago which has read 7 minutes to midnight since the 1960's.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

This storyline seems to be a play on that. Dont remember Isaacs painting with a clock, I do remember that when Hiro went forward in time and witnessed the explosion, it was light outside, and not 7 minutes to midnight.

The Doomsday clock is slow. Should be two minutes to midnight.

 

[strykerpks]

OK, so Sylar always wears a broken watch that reads 7 minutes to midnight. It was shown in the cafe and it was shown when Chandra Suresh was murdered in the taxicab. Didn't Isaac have a painting with a clock on it that also read that time?

I didnt know this before - but there is a "doomsday clock" at the University of Chicago which has read 7 minutes to midnight since the 1960's.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

This storyline seems to be a play on that. Dont remember Isaacs painting with a clock, I do remember that when Hiro went forward in time and witnessed the explosion, it was light outside, and not 7 minutes to midnight.

The Doomsday clock is slow. Should be two minutes to midnight.

[hijack]WIERD....That song JUST came on the radio as I read this

[/hijack]

 

[rhawkins68]

If the little girl has the freezing power then one would assume that Sylar has power similar to Peter's, that he can mimic the powers of those he is in close contact with. I assume the girl would not freeze her father or the police officer.

Which could explain how he got into the back room of the diner and killed the waitress with no one noticing.

True that. Maybe he has the exact same power as Peter. He absorbs their power when he is around someone but he keeps it (or at least keeps it longer) if he eats their brain (maybe Peter could do this as well is he chose to)

Maybe he just has to be around the brain where the actual "powers" are. Hence him taking the Brians. We have seen that the power lingers for Peter after he is around someone. So Syler probably has a bedroom full of brains in storage. Goes to bed with brains on each bed post while he sleeps then gets the powers for the rest of the day. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Joseph]

So Hiro's Blog being "blank" now is supposed to indicate that Hiro is back in the past, and since we're sort of following him through the story, the blog entries haven't happened yet?

 

[The Duff Man]

So Syler probably has a bedroom full of brains in storage. Goes to bed with brains on each bed post while he sleeps then gets the powers for the rest of the day. Rinse and repeat.

This is a disturbing image yet kinda cool.

 

[Yitbos69]

So Hiro's Blog being "blank" now is supposed to indicate that Hiro is back in the past, and since we're sort of following him through the story, the blog entries haven't happened yet?

I would think that if he goes into the past to change whatever....he could come back to the same point that he left and it would be like he never left......you would never see him leave....unless he is not returning to the same time......

 

[The Duff Man]

I know this has been brought up before, but I can't get over it. All special people are american except for Hiro and now the little boy. How is Hiro involved being from Japan?MO

There is no reason to think that there aren't special people starting to develop all over the world. At this point this show is about the explosion in New York and Sylar (as far as bad guys go). They are showing the events surrounding the lives of heroes who will be stopping it. Doesn't mean there aren't a bunch of heroes in Australia, China or wherever who are going to develop powers and deal with their own issues.Hiro teleported to New York, that is why he is involved. Had he teleported to Australia maybe he would be on a mission to stop a catastrophe there instead.

 

[Dulymus Mudhounds]

I know this has been brought up before, but I can't get over it. All special people are american except for Hiro and now the little boy. How is Hiro involved being from Japan?MO

There is no reason to think that there aren't special people starting to develop all over the world. At this point this show is about the explosion in New York and Sylar (as far as bad guys go). They are showing the events surrounding the lives of heroes who will be stopping it. Doesn't mean there aren't a bunch of heroes in Australia, China or wherever who are going to develop powers and deal with their own issues.Hiro teleported to New York, that is why he is involved. Had he teleported to Australia maybe he would be on a mission to stop a catastrophe there instead.

He should have gone to Australia and stopped Steve Irwin's death by stingray!!!!!!!!!!! i miss you steve...MO

 

[EYLive]

I'm still not convinced based on what we've seen that Eden has the power of persuasion, or any power for that matter. She works for/with Bennet, who's organization studies heroes, but she wasn't able to persuade Mohinder to stay in the US to continue his father's research. Wouldn't it be in her organization's best interest to convince him to stay and work with Bennet and show Mohinder that his father was on to something real and not just chasing a myth like he believes? IIRC Eden kissed him and he still went back to India. I think she was a spy that was keeping tabs on papa Shuresh's research and reporting back to Bennett when a new hero was ID'd on his wall map.

Did you watch the last episode?HRG hands her the heroin and says something along the lines of, "you're the easy way, and you know what the hard way is". Then she whispers in his ear. Then he's high and painting.That was fairly straightforward.

When HRG tells her to do it, she said something to the effect of, "You told me I wouldn't have to do this again." After which he reminded her of the condition she was in when he "found" her. I believe she was talking about using her powers of persuasion.

You guys are probably right. I just don't find the application of her supposed power (and a crappy power at that) very convincing. Issac already knew that he can't paint the future without drugs )or at least he hasn't been able to harness his abilities enough to paint without them). He knows that a huge explosion would happen in the future. All of his painted comic frames lead to the idea of "save the cheerleader, save the world", as stated by Peter. Now Issac finds that Bennet's daughter is the cheerleader. Now, if I were Isaac, it wouln't take a whole helluva lot of persuading to get me to shoot up so I can save the world. At the begining of the series, he had a hard time convincing Simone (or anyone) of his ability, now there's a bunch of people that not only believe in him, but are acutally asking him to use it to avoid a catastrophe. Hell yes, he'll shoot up.

 

[malice]

I'm still not convinced based on what we've seen that Eden has the power of persuasion, or any power for that matter. She works for/with Bennet, who's organization studies heroes, but she wasn't able to persuade Mohinder to stay in the US to continue his father's research. Wouldn't it be in her organization's best interest to convince him to stay and work with Bennet and show Mohinder that his father was on to something real and not just chasing a myth like he believes? IIRC Eden kissed him and he still went back to India. I think she was a spy that was keeping tabs on papa Shuresh's research and reporting back to Bennett when a new hero was ID'd on his wall map.

Did you watch the last episode?HRG hands her the heroin and says something along the lines of, "you're the easy way, and you know what the hard way is". Then she whispers in his ear. Then he's high and painting.That was fairly straightforward.

When HRG tells her to do it, she said something to the effect of, "You told me I wouldn't have to do this again." After which he reminded her of the condition she was in when he "found" her. I believe she was talking about using her powers of persuasion.

You guys are probably right. I just don't find the application of her supposed power (and a crappy power at that) very convincing. Issac already knew that he can't paint the future without drugs )or at least he hasn't been able to harness his abilities enough to paint without them). He knows that a huge explosion would happen in the future. All of his painted comic frames lead to the idea of "save the cheerleader, save the world", as stated by Peter. Now Issac finds that Bennet's daughter is the cheerleader. Now, if I were Isaac, it wouln't take a whole helluva lot of persuading to get me to shoot up so I can save the world. At the begining of the series, he had a hard time convincing Simone (or anyone) of his ability, now there's a bunch of people that not only believe in him, but are acutally asking him to use it to avoid a catastrophe. Hell yes, he'll shoot up.

They also kidnapped him against his will under the guise that they were trying to help him get clean. I can buy him being a little confused and unwilling to participate at another stranger's request.

 

[TheFanatic]

OK, just got thru 21 pages of this thread and am up to date on the show so I have some observations:

1) Many people asked why Claire was getting autopsied. She was killed and dumped into a body of water. The only way to determine time of death and possible location is to cut into the lungs and see if they have water in them. Killed and then put into water, no water in lungs. Killed in the water (fell in and landed on a stick) then she was killed in the water.

2) What does Isaac take in order to paint the future? Not acid, coke, crack, etc. Of course it's Heroin.....HERO-IN. Love the play on the spelling of heroin.

3) I don't think Symer steals powers. Everyone is assuming that therefore I think the writers go in another direction as to why he seems to be harvesting Hero Brains. Just my theory

4) Lots of Biblical names. Peter, Isaac, Micah. Doesn't Micah save the world in the old testament? Not sure on that one

5) I thought it was flat out WEAK the way Mohinder went from approaching Flying Congressmen to giving up on his search in a single episode. The Congressman's brother shows up on his door step and he still gives up. That and he took a picture of the map on Sylar's wall. That map had cities and pics of mutants in those cities and possibly names. Sure the place was cleaned out, but he still had the pic. Why not blow up the people pinned to the map and try to find them? He had a lot of avenues to pursue and he went from a raving optimist that flies halfway across the world to drive a cab and follow his's dad's footsteps and then turns into the constant pessimist when finding the truth of his dad's research was just a biscuit away.

Otherwise, this show rules!?!?!

 

[Yitbos69]

OK, just got thru 21 pages of this thread and am up to date on the show so I have some observations:1) Many people asked why Claire was getting autopsied. She was killed and dumped into a body of water. The only way to determine time of death and possible location is to cut into the lungs and see if they have water in them. Killed and then put into water, no water in lungs. Killed in the water (fell in and landed on a stick) then she was killed in the water.2) What does Isaac take in order to paint the future? Not acid, coke, crack, etc. Of course it's Heroin.....HERO-IN. Love the play on the spelling of heroin.3) I don't think Symer steals powers. Everyone is assuming that therefore I think the writers go in another direction as to why he seems to be harvesting Hero Brains. Just my theory4) Lots of Biblical names. Peter, Isaac, Micah. Doesn't Micah save the world in the old testament? Not sure on that one5) I thought it was flat out WEAK the way Mohinder went from approaching Flying Congressmen to giving up on his search in a single episode. The Congressman's brother shows up on his door step and he still gives up. That and he took a picture of the map on Sylar's wall. That map had cities and pics of mutants in those cities and possibly names. Sure the place was cleaned out, but he still had the pic. Why not blow up the people pinned to the map and try to find them? He had a lot of avenues to pursue and he went from a raving optimist that flies halfway across the world to drive a cab and follow his's dad's footsteps and then turns into the constant pessimist when finding the truth of his dad's research was just a biscuit away. Otherwise, this show rules!?!?!

I am with you on #5. It was very sudden when things seemed to be coming together for him.

 

[strykerpks]

5) I thought it was flat out WEAK the way Mohinder went from approaching Flying Congressmen to giving up on his search in a single episode. The Congressman's brother shows up on his door step and he still gives up. That and he took a picture of the map on Sylar's wall. That map had cities and pics of mutants in those cities and possibly names. Sure the place was cleaned out, but he still had the pic. Why not blow up the people pinned to the map and try to find them? He had a lot of avenues to pursue and he went from a raving optimist that flies halfway across the world to drive a cab and follow his's dad's footsteps and then turns into the constant pessimist when finding the truth of his dad's research was just a biscuit away.

Otherwise, this show rules!?!?!

IIRC Mohindar only came to America because he was skeptical about the circumstances surrounding his fathers death. He was never convinced about his fathers research and in fact was embarassed by it (hence the argument before his father came to America). Even after Peter came to visit him, he remained skeptical since he couldn't prove anything and Nathan pretty much shot him down. Only when he received his fathers ashes and when Peter couldn't produce any real 'sign' of special powers did he decide to go back home. Thats probably not 100% chronologically correct but you catch my drift.

I see where you're coming from but I wouldn't consider him a raving optimist. He was more concerned about finding Sylar since he thought he had something to do with his fathers death. Interesting thoughts though, especially about "hero-in" and the biblical connection

 

[TheFanatic]

Concerning the theory about the waitress and her birthday gift (Japanese to English Phrase Book) coming from Hiro, well, I don't think that could've happened. If he had been there at her birthday, the picture wouldn't have changed. He would've been in the picture before she died.....

 

[Regular Crust Pizza]

4) Lots of Biblical names. Peter, Isaac, Micah. Doesn't Micah save the world in the old testament? Not sure on that one

Interesting you bring up the biblical names, hadn't noticed. Micah is one of the lesser known prophets in the old testament. He's mainly concerned with justice, socail justice, corrupt leaders and things of the sort and invisions a time of peace later. God does not seek burnt offerings for sins, but that people do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly with God (6:6-8). This seems to fit with the character of Micah, he's very concerned about the well being of his mother and what the right thing to do is. Peter is obviously one of the more famous christian leaders of the early church. Called the rock upon which Christ would found his church (or something to the extent) Peter was a leader in the early church.Peter in the show seems to fall into the this role of leader, trying to bring people together for good.Isaac was the son of Abraham and was to be sacrificed on the mountain to prove abraham's devotion before God stopped him and gave him a ram instead. Later in life he was tricked into marrying the wrong sister, became a very wealth farmer, and when about to die blessed the wrong (younger) son. I don't really see any connection with Isaac from the show, but maybe something will appear...

 

[TheFanatic]

5) I thought it was flat out WEAK the way Mohinder went from approaching Flying Congressmen to giving up on his search in a single episode. The Congressman's brother shows up on his door step and he still gives up. That and he took a picture of the map on Sylar's wall. That map had cities and pics of mutants in those cities and possibly names. Sure the place was cleaned out, but he still had the pic. Why not blow up the people pinned to the map and try to find them? He had a lot of avenues to pursue and he went from a raving optimist that flies halfway across the world to drive a cab and follow his's dad's footsteps and then turns into the constant pessimist when finding the truth of his dad's research was just a biscuit away.

Otherwise, this show rules!?!?!

IIRC Mohindar only came to America because he was skeptical about the circumstances surrounding his fathers death. He was never convinced about his fathers research and in fact was embarassed by it (hence the argument before his father came to America). Even after Peter came to visit him, he remained skeptical since he couldn't prove anything and Nathan pretty much shot him down. Only when he received his fathers ashes and when Peter couldn't produce any real 'sign' of special powers did he decide to go back home. Thats probably not 100% chronologically correct but you catch my drift.

I see where you're coming from but I wouldn't consider him a raving optimist. He was more concerned about finding Sylar since he thought he had something to do with his fathers death. Interesting thoughts though, especially about "hero-in" and the biblical connection

When he first came to the US, he was all about proving the theories of his father. You have a short memory my friend.....Why did he go to see the politician if he was embarassed about the work and shunning it?

 

[Regular Crust Pizza]

What exactly is Nikki's power? So far I've gathered she is really strong, that's about it.

I don't think that the Jessica/other Nikki character is a power at all. I think it's that Nikki has a split personality disorder. Maybe there is some sort of mental block in place so that only the other half of her psyche can use the powers (strength) she has, but I don't see having two personalities as a power. I see it as

 

[Gamblor]

Concerning the theory about the waitress and her birthday gift (Japanese to English Phrase Book) coming from Hiro, well, I don't think that could've happened. If he had been there at her birthday, the picture wouldn't have changed. He would've been in the picture before she died.....

You have to let your mind go when it comes to the time travel stuff. He was there at her birthday. Hence the party hat and cake.

 

[Gamblor]

What exactly is Nikki's power? So far I've gathered she is really strong, that's about it. I don't think that the Jessica/other Nikki character is a power at all. I think it's that Nikki has a split personality disorder. Maybe there is some sort of mental block in place so that only the other half of her psyche can use the powers (strength) she has, but I don't see having two personalities as a power. I see it as

I think of her like the Hulk, just without the green and muscles.

 

[strykerpks]

5) I thought it was flat out WEAK the way Mohinder went from approaching Flying Congressmen to giving up on his search in a single episode. The Congressman's brother shows up on his door step and he still gives up. That and he took a picture of the map on Sylar's wall. That map had cities and pics of mutants in those cities and possibly names. Sure the place was cleaned out, but he still had the pic. Why not blow up the people pinned to the map and try to find them? He had a lot of avenues to pursue and he went from a raving optimist that flies halfway across the world to drive a cab and follow his's dad's footsteps and then turns into the constant pessimist when finding the truth of his dad's research was just a biscuit away.

Otherwise, this show rules!?!?!

IIRC Mohindar only came to America because he was skeptical about the circumstances surrounding his fathers death. He was never convinced about his fathers research and in fact was embarassed by it (hence the argument before his father came to America). Even after Peter came to visit him, he remained skeptical since he couldn't prove anything and Nathan pretty much shot him down. Only when he received his fathers ashes and when Peter couldn't produce any real 'sign' of special powers did he decide to go back home. Thats probably not 100% chronologically correct but you catch my drift.

I see where you're coming from but I wouldn't consider him a raving optimist. He was more concerned about finding Sylar since he thought he had something to do with his fathers death. Interesting thoughts though, especially about "hero-in" and the biblical connection

When he first came to the US, he was all about proving the theories of his father. You have a short memory my friend.....Why did he go to see the politician if he was embarassed about the work and shunning it?

Perhaps. However, I just don't see him as the "raving optimist" you portray him as...at least until after he gets to America...that's why he was able to change his mind so quickly. I think we may be getting into a semantic battle here. Agree to disagree.

 

[Gamblor]

Another interesting theory. Sylar is Claire's biological father.

 

[TheFanatic]

Concerning the theory about the waitress and her birthday gift (Japanese to English Phrase Book) coming from Hiro, well, I don't think that could've happened. If he had been there at her birthday, the picture wouldn't have changed. He would've been in the picture before she died.....

You have to let your mind go when it comes to the time travel stuff. He was there at her birthday. Hence the party hat and cake.

Oh, I fully think that he went back after she died and wound up at the B-Day party, but he didn't give her the Japanese to English Phrase book at her birthday. When he showed up at the diner, it was obviously the first time he had met her. This is where the unlimited possibilities of time travel that make this particular feat a little too cheesy because it can make anything possible like in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure where they say to each other to remember to go back and place some things that will help to get out of the mess they are in. They talk about showing the limitations of Hiro's time travel abilities soon and I hope they reign it in and keep him on a leash....

 

[Gamblor]

Concerning the theory about the waitress and her birthday gift (Japanese to English Phrase Book) coming from Hiro, well, I don't think that could've happened. If he had been there at her birthday, the picture wouldn't have changed. He would've been in the picture before she died.....

You have to let your mind go when it comes to the time travel stuff. He was there at her birthday. Hence the party hat and cake.

Oh, I fully think that he went back after she died and wound up at the B-Day party, but he didn't give her the Japanese to English Phrase book at her birthday. When he showed up at the diner, it was obviously the first time he had met her. This is where the unlimited possibilities of time travel that make this particular feat a little too cheesy because it can make anything possible like in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure where they say to each other to remember to go back and place some things that will help to get out of the mess they are in. They talk about showing the limitations of Hiro's time travel abilities soon and I hope they reign it in and keep him on a leash....

Yeah - I see what you mean. Hard to decide what exactly happens with time travel. Ill have to rewatch the "Back to the Futures" to get refreshed.

 

[Gamblor]

This damn show is addicting. I find myself reading a few boards now to get all the theories.

Another interesting fact which I missed from the last episode:

When HRG entered the paper company and was walking down the hall, there was a sign on the wall that mentioned the organization was established in 1962 - the same year the newspaper mentioned Syler's birth year was. Perhaps Sylar was their first subject.

 

[The Duff Man]

5) I thought it was flat out WEAK the way Mohinder went from approaching Flying Congressmen to giving up on his search in a single episode. The Congressman's brother shows up on his door step and he still gives up. That and he took a picture of the map on Sylar's wall. That map had cities and pics of mutants in those cities and possibly names. Sure the place was cleaned out, but he still had the pic. Why not blow up the people pinned to the map and try to find them? He had a lot of avenues to pursue and he went from a raving optimist that flies halfway across the world to drive a cab and follow his's dad's footsteps and then turns into the constant pessimist when finding the truth of his dad's research was just a biscuit away.

Watch it again if you have it recorded. After confronting Nathan and before being escorted away, a nut job homeless person bumps into Mohinder, spouting jibberish. I believe that he sees this person and realizes "this is what I must look like to Nathan". This realization causes him to give up.The show didn't play this up enough for it to come across clearly, in fact I just realized it now after reading your post. But the scene was quite deliberate and I think that is what they were going for.

 

[The Duff Man]

A couple of new things I noticed after re-watching the last episode.

Hiro only wanted to go back ONE DAY to stop the killing. Oops, he is in the birthday picture from 6 months ago. He clearly doesn't have his powers fine tuned enough to control what time he moves to, making it impossible for him to show back up after his friend counts to five.

As others mentioned, there is a VERY noticeable blip when Hiro is headed to the bathroom, before the red head gets killed. This could be the point where time diverts. We then watch the sequence that happens when Hiro does not save her. We may later see what happens in the "new" time continueum where she gets saved (if they want to go that route)

The file on the kid has articles about sleep, so he could have the sleep power. It fits better if Mohinder has it (because he gave it to Peter)

When Sylar kills Mohinder's dad, it doesn't appear that his watch gets broken. So why does it stop? Mohinder is screaming STOP STOP STOP. Could be something there.

 

[GreekFreak]

Concerning the theory about the waitress and her birthday gift (Japanese to English Phrase Book) coming from Hiro, well, I don't think that could've happened. If he had been there at her birthday, the picture wouldn't have changed. He would've been in the picture before she died.....

But the waitress mentioning that "they don't get many toursists around here" makes it kind of obvious to me that it was Hiro who gave her the book. Who else would be carrying around a Japanese to English Phrase Book in the middle of Texas where no tourists go?This thread is pretty damn good!! I haven't been this into a TV show in a long time

 

[Drifter]

A couple of new things I noticed after re-watching the last episode.Hiro only wanted to go back ONE DAY to stop the killing. Oops, he is in the birthday picture from 6 months ago. He clearly doesn't have his powers fine tuned enough to control what time he moves to, making it impossible for him to show back up after his friend counts to five.

It could be one of the limits to his power that he can't time-teleport to a time where he might possibly run into himself and thus breach the space-time continuum.

 

[porkins]

I'm still not convinced based on what we've seen that Eden has the power of persuasion, or any power for that matter. She works for/with Bennet, who's organization studies heroes, but she wasn't able to persuade Mohinder to stay in the US to continue his father's research. Wouldn't it be in her organization's best interest to convince him to stay and work with Bennet and show Mohinder that his father was on to something real and not just chasing a myth like he believes? IIRC Eden kissed him and he still went back to India. I think she was a spy that was keeping tabs on papa Shuresh's research and reporting back to Bennett when a new hero was ID'd on his wall map.

She did tell Bennet that he would be back. She implanted something that will make him return.

Maybe she persuaded him to leave. Maybe she had her own agenda. She didn't want to see Mohinder end up like his dad. If Sylar knew there was someone in his apartment, hence he cleaned it out, maybe he knew who was there too. She can probably defend herself from him, but persuading him to not hurt her, but Mohinder is defenseless.I agree she told him to come back at some point.

 

[rick6668]

Concerning the theory about the waitress and her birthday gift (Japanese to English Phrase Book) coming from Hiro, well, I don't think that could've happened. If he had been there at her birthday, the picture wouldn't have changed. He would've been in the picture before she died.....

But the waitress mentioning that "they don't get many toursists around here" makes it kind of obvious to me that it was Hiro who gave her the book. Who else would be carrying around a Japanese to English Phrase Book in the middle of Texas where no tourists go?This thread is pretty damn good!! I haven't been this into a TV show in a long time

If Hiro gave her the Japanese to English Phrase Book for her birthday, she would have recognized him at the diner. Therefore, in the original timeline, Hiro did NOT meet her months ago and give her the book.He may very well give her the book now and the new timeline might possibly not have either of them in the diner, or if they are, she recognizes him.Based on Hiro going back to her birthday party and being in the picture, the events that we just saw occur cannot happen on that timeline.Time Travel will mess up yor mind.

 

[GoL]

Concerning the theory about the waitress and her birthday gift (Japanese to English Phrase Book) coming from Hiro, well, I don't think that could've happened. If he had been there at her birthday, the picture wouldn't have changed. He would've been in the picture before she died.....

But the waitress mentioning that "they don't get many toursists around here" makes it kind of obvious to me that it was Hiro who gave her the book. Who else would be carrying around a Japanese to English Phrase Book in the middle of Texas where no tourists go?This thread is pretty damn good!! I haven't been this into a TV show in a long time

She has obviously talked to the locals about wanting to take a trip around the world. She even tells Hiro that Tokyo is going to be her 3rd stop. If I knew someone who wanted to take a trip around the world I would give them phrase and travel books as gifts.The fact that her birthday picture changes tells us that what we saw won't be what Hiro and the waitress experience.

 

[(HULK)]

What exactly is Nikki's power? So far I've gathered she is really strong, that's about it. I don't think that the Jessica/other Nikki character is a power at all. I think it's that Nikki has a split personality disorder. Maybe there is some sort of mental block in place so that only the other half of her psyche can use the powers (strength) she has, but I don't see having two personalities as a power. I see it as

I'm onboard with this.

 

[UOFI_316]

What exactly is Nikki's power? So far I've gathered she is really strong, that's about it. I don't think that the Jessica/other Nikki character is a power at all. I think it's that Nikki has a split personality disorder. Maybe there is some sort of mental block in place so that only the other half of her psyche can use the powers (strength) she has, but I don't see having two personalities as a power. I see it as

I'm onboard with this.

I was talking last night with some friends who watch and we were wondering why a woman who just goes crazy everyonce in a while has a special power?? We all have past girlfriends who were like this, never did we think that maybe they were just heroes.Her power is different from the others, there appears to be no real point to it. She can talk to herself, see a different person in the mirror, and then kill people who put her in danger. How does that help anyone else?? Once a month my wife almost fits those characteristics.

 

[Gamblor]

Some info for those trying to remember what the FBI know about Sylar. Deosnt really tell us much, but at least the wording is here. Someone on another board rewatched the episosde and posted this:

Okay, I took a transcript of exactly what Audrey tells Matt about Sylar. This speech occurs in the 3rd episode of the series, as they walk together in the L.A. FBI building on their way to visit Molly.

Matt: "Who is this 'Sylar?' Whats he doing?"

Audrey: "Leaves a trail across a dozen states... ALL people impaled by household objects. Bones broken. ALL without any traceable sign of physical contact. But, only some of them involve any mutilation of the head or neck, so they don't see the connections."

Matt: "But you think its all him?"

Audrey: (long pause) "I think, its going to get a lot worse if someone doesn't go after him."

Apparently the other FBI agents ("they") keeping jerking Audrey's chain about the whole Sylar thing. Audrey bemoans that she's been "stuck" with the Sylar case for three months. Probably the other agents are having her chase down any unnatural cause of death, and she's fed up and aggrivated by getting the "laughing stock" assignments, which is why she's so fired up to make a real 'collar' in the case.

 

[porkins]

The more I think about that funny skip in the show just before the waitress gets killed, the more I'm convinced that it's Hiro that does it. He probably jumped too far in the past, tries to jump more forward, goes too far and sees that she is instrumental in helping Sylar and decides to jump back and off her himself.

 

[(HULK)]

The more I think about that funny skip in the show just before the waitress gets killed, the more I'm convinced that it's Hiro that does it. He probably jumped too far in the past, tries to jump more forward, goes too far and sees that she is instrumental in helping Sylar and decides to jump back and off her himself.

I rewatched this episode last night looking specifically for this "skip".I didn't see it. When does it occur, and are we sure this wasn't just a cut edit or something?