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I'm getting more and more convinced that HRG has the negating power and not the Haitian. They're trying too hard to convince us it's the Haitian without giving any definitive proof.
Wasn't it just Eden and the Haitian who took down Sylar?
Yes, but he never had the chance to use his powers. Eden suggested that he didn't want to hurt her, then the Haitian took him down from behind.
Wait a second. I think I am on to something...1. Eden used her powers of suggesting while WITH the Haitian. This would suggest that if the Haitian cancels out powers, that he has control over this power and can turn it on or off, to allow Eden to use her power of suggestion.BUT...2. When the cop was staking out the Haitian and HRG, they didn't know he was there, but when the cop tried to read their minds, he got the static that came from his power being blocked, except for one word (Sylar).So if the Haitian has the power, but he didn't know that the cop was nearby, why did he have his power 'turned on' ? This would lead me to believe he has it on all the time, which wouldn't appear to be the case in point #1 above.SO...3. HRG must have the power...
OR... he always has it on and has to turn it off, or can controll who he turns off. Maybe has can enhance others powers too. Maybe he enhanced Eden's power while turning off Sylar's power.
 
First a couple of questions: What was the signifigance of Eden giving Isaac Hiros number and how did she get it?

Secondly, from the online comic it says that Sylar didnt escape, which i thought was odd.

 
Wait a second. I think I am on to something...1. Eden used her powers of suggesting while WITH the Haitian. This would suggest that if the Haitian cancels out powers, that he has control over this power and can turn it on or off, to allow Eden to use her power of suggestion.BUT...2. When the cop was staking out the Haitian and HRG, they didn't know he was there, but when the cop tried to read their minds, he got the static that came from his power being blocked, except for one word (Sylar).So if the Haitian has the power, but he didn't know that the cop was nearby, why did he have his power 'turned on' ? This would lead me to believe he has it on all the time, which wouldn't appear to be the case in point #1 above.SO...3. HRG must have the power...
The Haitian has to be in close contact with someone to use his power. You have seen him do this with Claire and Sylar. When Matt tries to read them from a distance it does not work because the area around the Haitian has negated power, even though Matt is far away their thoughts cannot get beyond the Haitian's ability.An interesting question is does the Haitian need to know what the power is to negate it? Maybe this is why Nathan flew.Lastly, HRG says outright that everyone else they have met has only one power, Sylar has many. The Haitian seems to have two powers: erasure and negate powers. Maybe it is not the Haitian that is doing the negating of powers?
 
First a couple of questions: What was the signifigance of Eden giving Isaac Hiros number and how did she get it?Secondly, from the online comic it says that Sylar didnt escape, which i thought was odd.
Based on Eden's actions and those of the Haitian I would say they are rebelling against either HRG or the organization they work for. I think Isaac already had Hiro's number from previous times they spoke. Peter has it also. I thought she only gave Isaac the means to escape.I'm not sure why they gave that away in the online comic.
 
I think you guys are over thinking the Haitian guys powers. I don't think he has "negation" powers at all. I think that his power is similar to Matt's, just light years beyond where Matt is. I think the Haitians powers are telepathic in nature, i.e. he can read thoughts, prevent others from reading his thoughts, and has a sort of mind control. Here is what I found real quick on wikipedia:

Superheroes and supervillains, and figures in many science fiction novels, etc commonly use telepathy. Notable telepaths include Lwaxana Troi of Star Trek: The Next Generation; Lyta Alexander, Alfred Bester, and the rest of the Psi Corps of Babylon 5; Dr. Wendy Smith of seaQuest DSV; and Charles Xavier, Jean Grey, Psylocke and Emma Frost of X-Men.The mechanics of telepathy in fiction vary widely. Some fictional telepaths are limited to receiving only thoughts that are deliberately sent by other telepaths, or even to receiving thoughts from a specific other person. For example, in Robert A. Heinlein's 1956 novel Time for the Stars, certain pairs of twins are able to send telepathic messages to each other. Some telepaths can read the thoughts only of those they touch. At the opposite end of the spectrum, some telepathic characters continuously sense the thoughts of those around them and may control this ability only with difficulty, or not at all. In such cases, telepathy is often portrayed as a mixed blessing or as a curse.Some fictional telepaths possess mind control abilities, which can include "pushing" thoughts, feelings, or hallucinatory visions into the mind of another person, or completely taking over another person's mind and body (similar to spiritual possession). Characters with this ability may or may not also have the ability to read thoughts.
His power is far advanced compared to Matt, but remember that Peter was able to somewhat block Matt from reading his mind by absorbing Matt's power and realizing that he was reading his mind. Matt only got "Sylar" from his attempt because the Haitian is so advanced that he can basically defend his mind subconcsiously.I think he used a sort of mind control to basically make Sylar fall pass out as he did with Matt in the bar. With mind reading/mind control, he is also able to wipe out memories.I didn't notice it at first, but Eden turning off the security system also shows that that room is what prevents Sylar from using his power, not HRG or the Haitian. If either of those guys had to be there to negate Sylar's power then HRG and the Haitian could not have visited Claire when she was home, which both did while Sylar was in custody.ETA: With as much as HRG's team has probably studied the Haitian and other powers, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that they could construct a device in that holding cell which somehow did something to brain waves to somehow counteract people's powers. I mean, it would be stretch in real life, but not on the show. ;)
 
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When Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?

 
Was the Haitian there the first time HRG met Eden?
Yes, he was.In that scene, it seemed like HRG was affected, but that the Haitian guy almost turned off the suggestion. I am going to go back and watch that scene. If that is the case, then the Haitian doesn't have "negating" powers, but just a hell of ability to alter someone's mind, which I think is seen sometimes as negating powers.Before someone jumps in, I understand that all of these powers are brain related (i.e. Sylar studying them) so in a way, the Haitians mind control can basically negate powers. I think the main thing is that he is better at stopping others with mental abilities like Matt and not folks like Nathan.
 
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QuestionWhen Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?
Along the same lines, was the Haitian speaking during this scene? Eden mentions that he can't speak, and they play it as a big deal that the Haitian CAN speak when he talks to Claire. Maybe he and HRG were speaking telepathically.
 
First a couple of questions: What was the signifigance of Eden giving Isaac Hiros number and how did she get it?

Secondly, from the online comic it says that Sylar didnt escape, which i thought was odd.
Based on Eden's actions and those of the Haitian I would say they are rebelling against either HRG or the organization they work for. I think Isaac already had Hiro's number from previous times they spoke. Peter has it also. I thought she only gave Isaac the means to escape.

I'm not sure why they gave that away in the online comic.
:goodposting: I don't think that they are rebelling against HRG in particular, but the higher ups that wanted to study Sylar. Even HRG hesitated, but he is more of a company guy, not a person with a power, so he is probably easier to keep in line. It looked to me like Eden gave Isaac a keycard to get out and a cell phone. I don't think she knows anything about Hiro (HRG might, but not her).

By the way, the online comic made it seem like HRG and the Haitian came into the room right after Sylar killed Eden. Sylar was probably trying to see if he could still use her, they surprised him and subdued him quick enough.

 
QuestionWhen Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?
Along the same lines, was the Haitian speaking during this scene? Eden mentions that he can't speak, and they play it as a big deal that the Haitian CAN speak when he talks to Claire. Maybe he and HRG were speaking telepathically.
HRG doesn't comment after Eden says thathe just says he has a lot of fires to put outmaybe he knows that the hatian can talk, but noone else does
 
I think you guys are over thinking the Haitian guys powers. I don't think he has "negation" powers at all. I think that his power is similar to Matt's, just light years beyond where Matt is. I think the Haitians powers are telepathic in nature, i.e. he can read thoughts, prevent others from reading his thoughts, and has a sort of mind control.
You're probably right, the Haitian would have to be able to read people's minds if he wanted to choose which memories to erase. Kinda sucks that they are already using powers over again though.
I didn't notice it at first, but Eden turning off the security system also shows that that room is what prevents Sylar from using his power, not HRG or the Haitian. If either of those guys had to be there to negate Sylar's power then HRG and the Haitian could not have visited Claire when she was home, which both did while Sylar was in custody.ETA: With as much as HRG's team has probably studied the Haitian and other powers, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that they could construct a device in that holding cell which somehow did something to brain waves to somehow counteract people's powers. I mean, it would be stretch in real life, but not on the show. ;)
I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
 
Can we assume that HRG hid the fact that he adopted Claire from the deceased parents and that the higher ups have no clue Claire exists and thats why hes trying so hard to hide her identity.

 
I also think that Peter's power is not necessarily just power mimicry....but more along the lines of super empathy.

He identifies so closely with people that he can mimic their powers. Also explains his dreams....he's empathizing with those he dreams about.

 
I think he used a sort of mind control to basically make Sylar fall pass out as he did with Matt in the bar. With mind reading/mind control, he is also able to wipe out memories.
They drugged Matt. HRG said so
You believe everything HRG says?
Not necessarily but considering he was about to erase Parkman's memory of that whole incident he had no reason whatsoever to lie.
 
I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
You think the fact that people can fly, regenerate, travel back in time, phase through walls etc is not silly, but a device to block these powers is silly?
 
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I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
You think the fact that people can fly, regenerate, travel back in time, phase through walls etc is not silly, but a device to block these powers is silly?
Yes.
I see. Do you remember that HRG said that Sylar could not use his powers there - assuming the security system was blocking the powers. I suppose that is silly too and we should ignore that fact?
 
I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
You think the fact that people can fly, regenerate, travel back in time, phase through walls etc is not silly, but a device to block these powers is silly?
Yes.
I see. Do you remember that HRG said that Sylar could not use his powers there - assuming the security system was blocking the powers. I suppose that is silly too and we should ignore that fact?
I'm assuming the "security system" is the Haitian. You're getting a little over the top handing out these "facts"....it's a TV show that they are making up as they go, they can change the "facts" anytime they want.
 
I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
You think the fact that people can fly, regenerate, travel back in time, phase through walls etc is not silly, but a device to block these powers is silly?
Yes.
I see. Do you remember that HRG said that Sylar could not use his powers there - assuming the security system was blocking the powers. I suppose that is silly too and we should ignore that fact?
I'm assuming the "security system" is the Haitian. You're getting a little over the top handing out these "facts"....it's a TV show that they are making up as they go, they can change the "facts" anytime they want.
NERD FIGHT! :boxing:
 
Another theory - Given that there is a device that blocks powers in that room Sylar is kept, It would be reasonable to assume there could also be a handheld version of this device. Perhaps something that HRG has in his possession. Another possible explanation for blocking of powers.

 
I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
You think the fact that people can fly, regenerate, travel back in time, phase through walls etc is not silly, but a device to block these powers is silly?
Yes.
I see. Do you remember that HRG said that Sylar could not use his powers there - assuming the security system was blocking the powers. I suppose that is silly too and we should ignore that fact?
I'm assuming the "security system" is the Haitian. You're getting a little over the top handing out these "facts"....it's a TV show that they are making up as they go, they can change the "facts" anytime they want.
The Haitian isnt always there though. What would keep Sylar from breaking out?
 
it's a TV show that they are making up as they go, they can change the "facts" anytime they want.
Exactly - its a TV show where they can do anything they want - given the powers everyone has. To think the powers are reasonable, but a power blocking device is silly, is hypocritical.
 
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I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
You think the fact that people can fly, regenerate, travel back in time, phase through walls etc is not silly, but a device to block these powers is silly?
Yes.
I see. Do you remember that HRG said that Sylar could not use his powers there - assuming the security system was blocking the powers. I suppose that is silly too and we should ignore that fact?
I'm assuming the "security system" is the Haitian. You're getting a little over the top handing out these "facts"....it's a TV show that they are making up as they go, they can change the "facts" anytime they want.
The problem with the security system being the Haitian is that he and HRG left the building. Remember Matt hearing "Sylar" and both visited Claire at her house.So, if the security system is the Haitian, then why even bother using Eden's power of persuasion to stop Sylar first and then have the Haitian take him down. The Haitian was close enough, so he could have shut him down by himself.I am with Gamblor on this, HRG's team has been studying these powers for around 16 years (adopted Claire afer "incident" with parents), so to me it seems pretty likely that they could create a Magneto room for Sylar. If you have watched any movie where an agency studies something, seems like the first thing they do is build some sort of protective chamber.
 
I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
You think the fact that people can fly, regenerate, travel back in time, phase through walls etc is not silly, but a device to block these powers is silly?
Yes.
I see. Do you remember that HRG said that Sylar could not use his powers there - assuming the security system was blocking the powers. I suppose that is silly too and we should ignore that fact?
I'm assuming the "security system" is the Haitian. You're getting a little over the top handing out these "facts"....it's a TV show that they are making up as they go, they can change the "facts" anytime they want.
The Haitian isnt always there though. What would keep Sylar from breaking out?
A lack of mobile objects he can use his powers on. Assuming everthing in and around the room is bolted/welded together his telekenisis can't lift it. The only time something mobile was presented, the Haitian blocked his power until it was removed from the room. When Eden presented herself as a mobile object without the Haitian there, he ripped her through the glass.
 
Another theory - Given that there is a device that blocks powers in that room Sylar is kept, It would be reasonable to assume there could also be a handheld version of this device. Perhaps something that HRG has in his possession. Another possible explanation for blocking of powers.
Although I am agreeing with you about the room, I think it is safe to say that there is no handheld version. First of all, HRG could have held it and gone with his daughter to homecoming to keep her completely safe. She wouldn't have had to know about it and Sylar wouldn't have had his power, so a couple of security guards could have taken him. Second, although I want to rewatch it, it seemed like Eden's power affected HRG at first, but then the Haitian removed the thought and HRG went back to normal. With the handheld device, no need for the Haitian there.
 
Another theory - Given that there is a device that blocks powers in that room Sylar is kept, It would be reasonable to assume there could also be a handheld version of this device. Perhaps something that HRG has in his possession. Another possible explanation for blocking of powers.
Although I am agreeing with you about the room, I think it is safe to say that there is no handheld version. First of all, HRG could have held it and gone with his daughter to homecoming to keep her completely safe. She wouldn't have had to know about it and Sylar wouldn't have had his power, so a couple of security guards could have taken him. Second, although I want to rewatch it, it seemed like Eden's power affected HRG at first, but then the Haitian removed the thought and HRG went back to normal. With the handheld device, no need for the Haitian there.
Yeah - not sure how likely this is. just a thought I threw out there.
 
it's a TV show that they are making up as they go, they can change the "facts" anytime they want.
Exactly - its a TV show where they can do anything they want - given the powers everyone has. To think the powers are reasonable, but a power blocking device is silly, is hypocritical.
No. I'm ok with suspending belief for a single premise, but when they start to have me suspend belief for many different things it starts to get silly. To want me beileve superpowers is ok.....when they also want me to believe that our technology is presently advanced enough to duplicate these powers in a mechanical form, I'm going to start to lose faith.Kinda like James Bond, I'm ok with a superspy that runs around saving the world multiple times.....I'm not ok with an invisible car.
 
Hmmm. We know Sylar can move inanimate objects through telekenesis. When nobody else was in the room or when HRG was in the room there was nothing he could use to break out. Once Eden went in there with the gun he used his telekenesis to move the gun quick enough to break the glass and break out. Just a guess.

 
I don't think so, the security system merely opens the door. If they're already building devices like that this show is going to get silly fast.
You think the fact that people can fly, regenerate, travel back in time, phase through walls etc is not silly, but a device to block these powers is silly?
Yes.
I see. Do you remember that HRG said that Sylar could not use his powers there - assuming the security system was blocking the powers. I suppose that is silly too and we should ignore that fact?
I'm assuming the "security system" is the Haitian. You're getting a little over the top handing out these "facts"....it's a TV show that they are making up as they go, they can change the "facts" anytime they want.
The Haitian isnt always there though. What would keep Sylar from breaking out?
A lack of mobile objects he can use his powers on. Assuming everthing in and around the room is bolted/welded together his telekenisis can't lift it. The only time something mobile was presented, the Haitian blocked his power until it was removed from the room. When Eden presented herself as a mobile object without the Haitian there, he ripped her through the glass.
I thought this scene was awesome.
 
Was the Haitian there the first time HRG met Eden?
Didn't Eden meet the Haitian first? After Eden tells Matt to go eat donuts, the Haitain was standing in front of her balck sports car, no? Or was that Bennett? :unsure:
QuestionWhen Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?
I think they were walking together in a distance, but not talking. At that time the Haitian had not yet spoken.
 
I am black dotting this baby. I haven't watched any of these yet, but recorded the first 6 episodes on the sci-fi channel marathon a week or so ago. I assume (hope?) they will be showing all of the episodes again before coming back in January so I can get the rest. Damn them for going up against football.

 
QuestionWhen Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?
Along the same lines, was the Haitian speaking during this scene? Eden mentions that he can't speak, and they play it as a big deal that the Haitian CAN speak when he talks to Claire. Maybe he and HRG were speaking telepathically.
Shady,Just because you are talking doesn't mean you stop thinking.Duff, I think he is silent a lot but he can speak. Just chooses not too. To all of you in general, I think you are way over thinking.
 
QuestionWhen Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?
Along the same lines, was the Haitian speaking during this scene? Eden mentions that he can't speak, and they play it as a big deal that the Haitian CAN speak when he talks to Claire. Maybe he and HRG were speaking telepathically.
Shady,Just because you are talking doesn't mean you stop thinking.Duff, I think he is silent a lot but he can speak. Just chooses not too. To all of you in general, I think you are way over thinking.
At one point HRG or eden said: "If the Haitian could speak" or something along those line.
 
QuestionWhen Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?
Along the same lines, was the Haitian speaking during this scene? Eden mentions that he can't speak, and they play it as a big deal that the Haitian CAN speak when he talks to Claire. Maybe he and HRG were speaking telepathically.
Shady,Just because you are talking doesn't mean you stop thinking.Duff, I think he is silent a lot but he can speak. Just chooses not too. To all of you in general, I think you are way over thinking.
At one point HRG or eden said: "If the Haitian could speak" or something along those line.
:goodposting: Sorry, iamsmilin, I am pretty sure snogger is correct and that the Haitian has been playing mute all this time, which is why it was so odd that he talked to Claire.You are correct though that Matt could have easily heard the thought of Sylar, since they just left the building where he was.
 
I'm on board with HRG having the cancellation power. It would be the main reason his organization set him up as being in charge.

Also, it might explain why Peter got sick. If your power is absorbing other powers but come in contact with someone who cancels out powers it could create a negative feedback loop that makes one sick.

 
I'm on board with HRG having the cancellation power. It would be the main reason his organization set him up as being in charge.Also, it might explain why Peter got sick. If your power is absorbing other powers but come in contact with someone who cancels out powers it could create a negative feedback loop that makes one sick.
So I guess youre just ignoring the writers who said the Haitian has that power, not HRG.
 
I am black dotting this baby. I haven't watched any of these yet, but recorded the first 6 episodes on the sci-fi channel marathon a week or so ago. I assume (hope?) they will be showing all of the episodes again before coming back in January so I can get the rest. Damn them for going up against football.
the other episodes are on the Heroes NBC website
 
Hmmm. We know Sylar can move inanimate objects through telekenesis. When nobody else was in the room or when HRG was in the room there was nothing he could use to break out. Once Eden went in there with the gun he used his telekenesis to move the gun quick enough to break the glass and break out. Just a guess.
What about HRG's glasses or his tie? Why not pull the tie up and hang HRG in the air or use his glasses to cut him/drive parts of it into his head.I guess it is possible, but Sylar can also move people. He threw Claire against the wall and made the blonde FBI lady's arm move with the gun. So, he could have pummelled HRG against the wall as much as he wanted to unless the room itself had an affect on him, whether through a device or through some sort of leave behind thing that the Haitian did.If it really was the gun that Sylar used to pull Eden through the glass then I am a bit disappointed. I think she disabled something to use her power and because he was ready for it this time, it didn't affect Sylar and he killed her.
 
QuestionWhen Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?
Along the same lines, was the Haitian speaking during this scene? Eden mentions that he can't speak, and they play it as a big deal that the Haitian CAN speak when he talks to Claire. Maybe he and HRG were speaking telepathically.
Shady,Just because you are talking doesn't mean you stop thinking.Duff, I think he is silent a lot but he can speak. Just chooses not too. To all of you in general, I think you are way over thinking.
At one point HRG or eden said: "If the Haitian could speak" or something along those line.
Eden said it. I think he can speak, just chooses not too. Like he only talks to HRG. In the scene, his mouth was moving, so he wasn't speaking her telpathicly (sp?)
 
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When Matt was trying to read HRG & Haitian's thoughts were they talking to eachother? If so how can Parkman read their minds if theyre speaking out loud?
Along the same lines, was the Haitian speaking during this scene? Eden mentions that he can't speak, and they play it as a big deal that the Haitian CAN speak when he talks to Claire. Maybe he and HRG were speaking telepathically.
Shady,Just because you are talking doesn't mean you stop thinking.

Duff,

I think he is silent a lot butundefined . Just chooses not too.

To all of you in general, I think you are way over thinking.
At one point HRG or eden said: "If the Haitian could speak" or something along those line.
:goodposting: Sorry, iamsmilin, I am pretty sure snogger is correct and that the Haitian has been playing mute all this time, which is why it was so odd that he talked to Claire.

You are correct though that Matt could have easily heard the thought of Sylar, since they just left the building where he was.
:confused: I said he can speak.
 
I'm on board with HRG having the cancellation power. It would be the main reason his organization set him up as being in charge.

Also, it might explain why Peter got sick. If your power is absorbing other powers but come in contact with someone who cancels out powers it could create a negative feedback loop that makes one sick.
So I guess youre just ignoring the writers who said the Haitian has that power, not HRG.
This is what bothers me the most. This means the Haitian can A) cancel powers and B) erase memories. That seems kind of unfair that he has 2 completely unrelated powers.It would make more sense if the Haitian was the eraser and HRG was the blocker, but it doesn't look like that's the case.

 
I'm on board with HRG having the cancellation power. It would be the main reason his organization set him up as being in charge.

Also, it might explain why Peter got sick. If your power is absorbing other powers but come in contact with someone who cancels out powers it could create a negative feedback loop that makes one sick.
So I guess youre just ignoring the writers who said the Haitian has that power, not HRG.
This is what bothers me the most. This means the Haitian can A) cancel powers and B) erase memories. That seems kind of unfair that he has 2 completely unrelated powers.It would make more sense if the Haitian was the eraser and HRG was the blocker, but it doesn't look like that's the case.
HRG definitely said that everyone they have met has only one power so eitherA) Haitian's power to erase and negate powers is the same - maybe he negates powers by making the brain forget how to use them for a short period of time?

B) The writer's threw out the Red Herring that the Haitian was the blocker and they plan on keeping it a secret that HRG has powers

 
HRG definitely said that everyone they have met has only one power so either

A) Haitian's power to erase and negate powers is the same - maybe he negates powers by making the brain forget how to use them for a short period of time?
We know this isn't the case cuz we saw Matt try really hard to read Claire's thoughts, but only got static. The Haitian is like kryptonite. :o
 

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