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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (6 Viewers)
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cstu
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NCCommish
Footballguy
So the old lesser of two evils. That's your choice to make. However that game is why we have what we have today and I refuse to play it anymore.
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6008
Podesta discussing "wet works" (KGB slang for assassination) 3 days before Scalia died. Saying "we better buckle up and double down" while the person he's discussing with says the "bedwetters" are nervous about it.
It's also mentioned that it's going to be "a bad night."
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5793je/this_needs_to_gain_traction_a_fellow_centipede/
Whoa. One of the conspiracy theories at the time related to Scalia murdered because of upcoming rulings that would adversely affect Monsanto. (I vaguely remember reading this).
Podesta was emailing with...
Steve Elmendorf (who said "I am all in" in the email) is a lobbyist for Monsanto
Steve Elmendorf: Monsanto’s New Man on the Hill http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gail-sullivan/steve-elmendorf-monsanto_b_7724814.html
Big Campaign Cash for Clinton From Monsanto Lobbyist http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34688-big-campaign-cash-for-clinton-from-monsanto-lobbyist
Podesta discussing "wet works" (KGB slang for assassination) 3 days before Scalia died. Saying "we better buckle up and double down" while the person he's discussing with says the "bedwetters" are nervous about it.
It's also mentioned that it's going to be "a bad night."
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5793je/this_needs_to_gain_traction_a_fellow_centipede/
Whoa. One of the conspiracy theories at the time related to Scalia murdered because of upcoming rulings that would adversely affect Monsanto. (I vaguely remember reading this).
Podesta was emailing with...
Steve Elmendorf (who said "I am all in" in the email) is a lobbyist for Monsanto
Steve Elmendorf: Monsanto’s New Man on the Hill http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gail-sullivan/steve-elmendorf-monsanto_b_7724814.html
Big Campaign Cash for Clinton From Monsanto Lobbyist http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34688-big-campaign-cash-for-clinton-from-monsanto-lobbyist
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squistion
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Remember when the Hillary haters here kept talking about how she is afraid to do press conferences and would give us a daily count as to how long it had been since the last one? Odd we haven't heard that recently. Wonder why?
Sopan Deb @SopanDeb 2h2 hours ago
It's been 78 days since Trump last held a presser. He took Qs from limited group 39 days ago.
Clinton has taken Qs 10 times in three weeks.
Sopan Deb
It's been 78 days since Trump last held a presser. He took Qs from limited group 39 days ago.
Clinton has taken Qs 10 times in three weeks.
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Yes, that is the choice I am making. The last time we had anyone as simple-minded and unexperienced as Trump in the oval office he left us with the worst terrorist attack in our history, a rise in radical islamic movement, two wars and the worst economy since the depression. So yes, I will take the person with more experience.
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TobiasFunke
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Two kind of important points I feel I should make here:https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6008
Podesta discussing "wet works" (KGB slang for assassination) 3 days before Scalia died. Saying "we better buckle up and double down" while the person he's discussing with says the "bedwetters" are nervous about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5793je/this_needs_to_gain_traction_a_fellow_centipede/
1. February 9, 2016 was the night of the New Hampshire primaries, won handily by Bernie Sanders. Do you honestly think when two Clinton supporters are saying that "it will be a bad nite" and "we need to buckle up and double down" they're talking about a planned assassination four days later and not a loss in the first primary of the campaign that same night?
2. You really should consider staying away from reddit and conspiracy theory blogs. Just my
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6008
Podesta discussing "wet works" (KGB slang for assassination) 3 days before Scalia died. Saying "we better buckle up and double down" while the person he's discussing with says the "bedwetters" are nervous about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5793je/this_needs_to_gain_traction_a_fellow_centipede/
Whoa. One of the conspiracy theories at the time related to Scalia murdered because of upcoming rulings that would adversely affect Monsanto. (I vaguely remember reading this).
Podesta was emailing with...
Steve Elmendorf (who said "I am all in" in the email) is a lobbyist for Monsanto
Steve Elmendorf: Monsanto’s New Man on the Hill http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gail-sullivan/steve-elmendorf-monsanto_b_7724814.html
Big Campaign Cash for Clinton From Monsanto Lobbyist http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34688-big-campaign-cash-for-clinton-from-monsanto-lobbyist
Those dinguses on reddit are dissecting what the Vineyard means is relating it to some ranch in Texas. They are making reference to Martha's Vineyard, pretty obvious when rich folks refer to something as the Vineyard. A few days before the NH debate, the campaign probably figured they were in for a bloodbath with the NH debate and primary results.
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Wait a minute. Both Reddit AND 4chan said it's "Undeniable Proof." You seem less sure than that, so I'm going with them.Two kind of important points I feel I should make here:
1. February 9, 2016 was the night of the New Hampshire primaries, won handily by Bernie Sanders. Do you honestly think when two Clinton supporters are saying that "it will be a bad nite" and "we need to buckle up and double down" they're talking about a planned assassination four days later and not a loss in the first primary of the campaign that same night?
2. You really should consider staying away from reddit and conspiracy theory blogs. Just my
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TobiasFunke
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Here's one thing I find absolutely amazing- there's a huge parade of dip####s in that reddit thread and all over the internet spouting that nonsense about the Podesta/Ehlendorf "wet works" email and stretching to guess it applies to something that happened a few days later. Literally dozens upon dozens of people who spend a ton of time internet sleuthing to put this sort of thing together.
Yet NOT ONE of them thought to themselves "hey, maybe I should google 'February 9 2016 Clinton' to see if maybe they're talking about something way more obvious." Because that's literally all I did to solve this great mystery. It took me ten seconds. I checked the reddit thread- no mention of "primary" or "New Hampshire."
Yet NOT ONE of them thought to themselves "hey, maybe I should google 'February 9 2016 Clinton' to see if maybe they're talking about something way more obvious." Because that's literally all I did to solve this great mystery. It took me ten seconds. I checked the reddit thread- no mention of "primary" or "New Hampshire."
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So now it turns out the Hillary double was actually Lana Kane and while the Real Hillary was in a cryo chamber staving of the effects of her PArkinson's Lana went out and assasinated Justice Scalia, at the bidding of Podesta et al., because Monsanto doesn't like conservative judges.
I can buy that.
I can buy that.
Sammy3469
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NCCommish
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Clinton is going to take us into more wars. She has made it pretty clear. Expect a further rise in radical Isalm.
Looks like they are also combing google maps for vineyards near the Texas ranch or something with Scalia. How can not one see something referred to the Vineyard and not just assume it's Martha's Vineyard and just a reference to saying basically this week is not going to be like a fun vacation.
Looks like they are also combing google maps for vineyards near the Texas ranch or something with Scalia. How can not one see something referred to the Vineyard and not just assume it's Martha's Vineyard and just a reference to saying basically this week is not going to be like a fun vacation.
squistion
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Michelle Obama is basically baiting Trump to attack her now.
If I were Kellyanne, I'd take Trump's phone and swallow it.
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Disagree. She has said no more ground troops. This means no escalation of current policy, which seems to be working. (You will obviously take issue with that because it doesn't fit your narrative, but Mosul will fall soon and recruiting numbers for ISISare almost non existent)
I believe an intelligent person can learn from their mistakes. An unintelligent person--like Trump--can't even admit he has made a mistake and blames everyone else.
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NCCommish
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Can't establish no fly and safe zones without boots on the ground and massive civilian casualties. She has called for both as recently as a few days ago. She is a Neocon we will be in more wars.
Not sure what you think my narrative is except for actually listening to what Hillary says and taking her at her word.
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James Daulton
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I think Barack and Michelle are 1a and 1b right now. Michelle definitely has the presence and smarts to run after Hilldog's terms.
Baloney Sandwich
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Boom...it has just come out why they targeted Scalia and it has to do with an oil tycoon named Victor Mattiece. He was looking to drill on Louisiana marshland which is a major habitat of an endangered species of pelican.https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6008
Podesta discussing "wet works" (KGB slang for assassination) 3 days before Scalia died. Saying "we better buckle up and double down" while the person he's discussing with says the "bedwetters" are nervous about it.
It's also mentioned that it's going to be "a bad night."
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5793je/this_needs_to_gain_traction_a_fellow_centipede/
Whoa. One of the conspiracy theories at the time related to Scalia murdered because of upcoming rulings that would adversely affect Monsanto. (I vaguely remember reading this).
Podesta was emailing with...
Steve Elmendorf (who said "I am all in" in the email) is a lobbyist for Monsanto
Steve Elmendorf: Monsanto’s New Man on the Hill http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gail-sullivan/steve-elmendorf-monsanto_b_7724814.html
Big Campaign Cash for Clinton From Monsanto Lobbyist http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34688-big-campaign-cash-for-clinton-from-monsanto-lobbyist
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NOPE. Ground troops are not a requirement for a no fly zone: http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2015/05/everything-you-need-know-about-no-fly-zones/111898/
Enforcing a no-fly zone usually requires a large amount of military forces, including aircraft, the operators who fly them, and support personnel to protect and maintain them. Unless the no-fly zone is relatively small, it will take multiple flying units operating different kinds of aircraft.
Enforcing a no-fly zone usually requires a large amount of military forces, including aircraft, the operators who fly them, and support personnel to protect and maintain them. Unless the no-fly zone is relatively small, it will take multiple flying units operating different kinds of aircraft.
NCCommish
Footballguy
A no fly zone without ground troops accomplishes nothing in the end. ISIS doesn't have planes. They will still be killing people on the ground. To create a no fly zone will take massive civilian casualties as Syria placed their AA batteries in neighborhoods.
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Good grief. Really? The no fly zone isn't directed at ISIS, rather it is directed at the Russians.
You keep painting this issue with "massive casualties" to try and win this point. It is not valid here. And, if you main concern "massive casualties" I assume you were just as indignant when Bush decided to invade Iraq, or just as indignant over the mounting casualties in Aleppo.
You keep painting this issue with "massive casualties" to try and win this point. It is not valid here. And, if you main concern "massive casualties" I assume you were just as indignant when Bush decided to invade Iraq, or just as indignant over the mounting casualties in Aleppo.
timschochet
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NC Commish is consistent. I don't agree with him on Hillary, but I would never accuse him of hypocrisy. Of course he was opposed to Iraq.
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That is good to hear. But where is his indignation over the massive casualties occurring in Aleppo now?
A no fly zone ≠ massive casualties
No fly zone will inhibit massive casualties.
A no fly zone ≠ massive casualties
No fly zone will inhibit massive casualties.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah I was and am, you must be new here. I was one of the lone voices against the invasion of Iraq.
And what do you think happens when we shoot down a Russian plane? And even Hillary acknowledged there would be large scale civilian casualties with establishing a no fly zone in 2011.
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No, I do not believe this would escalate into a war with Russia. It is pretty clear we have air superiority over Russia. That is a losing proposition for them.
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But again, if your primary objective is to prevent/avoid massive casualties what is your proposal for Aleppo, where massive casualties are an everyday occurrence?
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cstu
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It will never be over until Assad steps down. We need to keep supporting the Syrian people until that happens.
JZilla
Footballguy
We enforced no fly zones over north and south Iraq for ~10 years, with 0 ground troops.
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Thank you. Geez.
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These are all good questions that should have before asked by the Bush administration before they foolishly decided to invade Iraq. At this point it is about damage control and limiting massive casualties, as was your main objection to a no fly zone.
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NCCommish
Footballguy
Were they safe zones? You know preventing casualties on the ground that have nothing to do with planes. You guys keep forgetting that part.
The Commish
Footballguy
Why would we ask questions of the Bush administration about Iraq to determine the answers for those same questions with regard to Syria? Incidentally, NCC is asking these questions AGAIN like he and a few others did with Iraq. My guess is, the government won't ask those questions of themselves with Syria just like they didn't with Iraq.....SSDD.
What do you mean "won't"? They already didn't - and with Clinton, have no intention of worrying about the aftermath.
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Footballguy
I only bring up the Bush administration because the current situation in Syria is directly related to the destabilization of Iraq in that it led to the rise of various radical groups. I agree that the government doesn't have a clear policy now, other then not committing ground troops in mass. (FWIW, I opposed the initial invasion in Iraq as well.) But patting each other on the back about our stance now does nothing to solve the issue in Syria. What do you propose we do about the on going massive casualties in Aleppo?
SaintsInDome2006
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JZilla
Footballguy
They were set up to protect the Shia and Kurds from Saddam's warplanes, and after a downed Sukhoi or two they worked beautifully
You said specifically a no fly zone won't work without troops. You're talking out your ### about this stuff. Your guesswork about what HC will do with these situations is no better than anybody else's. But your concerns strike me as completely irrational. And if you prefer Trump, you're off your rocker.
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JZilla
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Who said anything about ISIS?
He said a no fly zone won't work without ground troops, I disagreed. I didn't bring it up.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Right I am completely irrational. She has said she wants a more muscular foreign policy. That means more military interventions. She has said Obama's foreign policy is silly. Obama is also against the no fly zones by the way. And if you read the first post before you jumped in we were talking about both no fly zones and safe zones which Hillary has said she wants. BTW you don't need planes to kill people on the ground. As ISIS proves daily.
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