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jon_mx said:
It is the same arguement Democrats have raised every time their fear a shift in the court. They vow to protect the balance of the Supreme Court because the women's right to choose is just one vote away.  The GOP should have made the same arguement and use things such as the individual right to bear arms, and thus the 2nd Amendment is just one vote away from being lost forever.  
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Oh, puleeze.

 
jon_mx said:
It is the same arguement Democrats have raised every time their fear a shift in the court. They vow to protect the balance of the Supreme Court because the women's right to choose is just one vote away.  The GOP should have made the same arguement and use things such as the individual right to bear arms, and thus the 2nd Amendment is just one vote away from being lost forever.  
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And you wonder why the GOP doesn't win Presidential elections.

 
Joe Summer said:
Jon_mx:
 

Well, not quite the exact same thing:

Schumer: "I will recommend to my colleagues that we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court except in extraordinary circumstances.”

McCain: “I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up."
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Same difference.   No, not worded the exact same way, but the exact same in effect.  McCain can not make a promise for how others will act, so his threat is beyond his capabilities.  But both are saying they would fight any nominee. 

 
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David Dodds said:
Here is an email Tim will enjoy about her and Israel:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1518

but it's cool.  Say you are pro-Israel when talking to everyone else, but collect money from some very anti-Israel folks.  Nothing to see here people.  Public / Private conversations only.
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This is easy to explain.  One needs a public position where they say what they must, and a private position where they do what they want.

 
The worst thing about leaking these speeches is the impact it will have on other Wall Street firms paying.  No one is going to pay top dollar for reused material. 

 
David Dodds said:
Here is an email Tim will enjoy about her and Israel:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1518

but it's cool.  Say you are pro-Israel when talking to everyone else, but collect money from some very anti-Israel folks.  Nothing to see here people.  Public / Private conversations only.
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I didn't read the whole thing; I stopped when so saw it was written by Jennifer Rubin. 

For those who don't know, Ms Rubin is an Israeli hawk who seems to believe that anyone who disagrees with Bibi Netanyahu is an anti-Semite. 

 
timschochet said:
Remembering that Lincoln was one of her favorite films...are there posts available for Bernie and Liz Warren? 
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Yes I loved the part where Hillary told a room full of K Street & Wall Street lobbyists and their clients how Lincoln and Seward called on courageous lobbyists to pass the 13th Amendment. Brave stuff.

 
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David Dodds said:
I suggest everyone read Hillary's paid Goldman Sachs speeches.  Good stuff on how many countries we will be in war with soon.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11011

The speeches are the three attachments.  Cool of Hillary to keep Wall Street completely in the loop here for campaign contributions.  She does work for them after all.
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Self-serving pleas for self-regulation and protests about how important Wall Street is to America aside ...

... what in these speeches is WORTH $300-500K per speech?

 
timschochet said:
Why do you hate her so much HT? I know you're a conservative, but I've noticed you have a special antipathy in your heart for Warren. 
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I think she is a liar & a fraud and it goes well beyond the Native American stuff .  She's a grandstanding advocate of socialism & big government who cares little or nothing about anything unrelated to her own advancement. You might agree with me on this point , much like Trump she loves to call attention to herself.

I'm a political junkie both national & MA . I don't just hate Ds and love Rs. Big fan of several MA D's , Stephen Lynch , Seth Moulton and Fast Eddie Markey. I liked our past Gov Deval Patrick(D) better than our current on Baker(R)

 
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Investigators claim Clinton may avoid impeachment because, "We don't know where the #### to start." 

 
Speaking of Warren, one reason why Hillary is winning this election is her collection of "stars". Think about it:

Barack Obama

Michelle Obama

Chelsea Clinton

Bill Clinton

Bernie Sanders

Liz Warren

Joe Biden

I'm not even mentioning Tim Kaine. Hillary's campaign can send these people out to any state she likes, at any time. Trump has himself and Mike Pence. I don't recall such a lopsided situation ever.

 
timschochet said:
Speaking of Warren, one reason why Hillary is winning this election is her collection of "stars". Think about it:

Barack Obama

Michelle Obama

Chelsea Clinton

Bill Clinton

Bernie Sanders

Liz Warren

Joe Biden

I'm not even mentioning Tim Kaine. Hillary's campaign can send these people out to any state she likes, at any time. Trump has himself and Mike Pence. I don't recall such a lopsided situation ever.
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She's winning because of Trump.

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Politician Spock said:
I think there are modern attributes that have magnified the problem. Lincoln would never be elected in the modern age. He was just too butt ugly. That was not the "branding" issue back then as it has now become. 

And while I'm responding, since I've pointed out the problem, let me suggest a solution. I think political office should be a process much like jury selection. I think political duty should be similar to jury duty. Obviously I think there should be some qualifying aspects, so that the guy who can't keep a job isn't randomly selected for political duty. Perhaps 20 years in the same field (doctor, teacher, business owner, etc....) puts one into the pool of possible candidates. When an office is up to be filled a few dozen or so are selected as candidates for the office. Then have four or five "elections" to narrow it down to 2 or 3 candidates, and the final election determines the new office holder. As for serving, I don't think relocating the DC or to state capitals is necessary anymore. Technology would allow these people to serve the office without moving their families. That's just a high level solution, and it's not really changing the current system. It's just determining who the candidates are. It's how the candidates are decided currently that is the current problem. And I think the branding problem would return to this system, but would eliminate the prerequisite branding needed with the current system. All candidates would essentially be branding from scratch.
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I've toyed as a thought exercise about modeling the House of Representatives and whatever the various states call the equivalent (House of Delegates here in Maryland) around jury duty.  However, there are a couple of rather big problems for me with the idea.

The first is that presuming the "legislative duty" is for one term and then back to being a regular, ordinary citizen then there is no accountability.   While on one hand this is a "feature" in that next to impossible tasks such as raising taxes, cutting entitlements, terminating useless weapon contracts, etc.  will be a lot easier to achieve when there is no worry about being re-elected or "primaried".  The problem is everything becomes a lot easier.  That is great if "my" agenda is being pursued, but a disaster if it is "yours".  Incrementalism is frustrating to progress, but lets not pretend that every idea from our legislatures is progress.  And I think worst of all we would have less control to keep from reacting to the last bad, but popular idea with the next bad, but popular idea.

I also believe that most people who get into politics do so for honest, often noble reasons.  Maybe selfishly trying to "right" a perceived "wrong" but not to become what we commonly think of politicians.   Its not until they get into office  that the "system" "turns them".  Now one might argue that "one and done" would mitigate this, but I think that throwing ordinary citizens into the "system" would have them much less prepared as opposed to a career politician working up the ladder to keep from being "chewed up and spit out" by the "system". 

I also think that such an arrangement would create a class of pretty much permanent legislative staffs that would be needed to acclimate the newly elected representative and keep them focused day to day on the legislative business which would be all foreign to them.  So much so that government would be largely run by these unelected staffs if you expect anything to get done.  Maybe this would functionally contradict what I just wrote above about bouncing from bad, popular idea and creates an even more entrenched establishment?   That might be a feature if you believed that the establishment was immune to such, but I assume you hold no such belief. 

Ultimately I think the way you reform the system is to end tax expenditures and end welfare as we know it (replace with a BIG) so there is a brighter light on the remaining spending and a lot less reason for K Street to exist.  If we just want to reform the nomination process then exclusively publicly finance campaigns with relatively low thresholds to qualify for funding, but that has problems of its own.  

 
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Lincoln wasn't really elected in 1860, not like modern day politicians are elected. The Republican party was elected. Lincoln was chosen, barely, as the leader of the Republican party.

But it would be incorrect to state that looks didn't matter in 1860. A big reason why Jefferson Davis was selected to be the Confederate President was because he looked stately.

 
msommer said:
The bit about only fossil fuel companies needing fossil fuels is not true. Take a look at your daily life and eliminate any plastic, nylon, polyethelene or polystyrene you see or interact with. Find out how much the cheapest alternative available today costs on comparison and reevaluate
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Does it cost more than having to move very single human being out of the Middle East when it becomes uninhabitable by humans?

 
Getzlaf15 said:
You haven't even watched it.  Lot of critical thinking there!  Don't know who that guy is or have I ever been to those sites you mentioned.

I'd like to know how all those conversations on tape are fake.
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The same way he has faked them time and time again. And if you really don't know who he is maybe you should do some research on your source. 

 
 


Jordan Verified account ‏@JordanChariton


.@HillaryClinton camp wrote gun hit piece on @BernieSanders; then put gun violence victim as author #PodestaEmails10 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12278 …
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12278

Hey everyone -- >>>> >>>> Ron Klain wrote a riff for HRC and sent it to Teddy on guns. We thought it could make a strong Medium post from someone who could really speak to this issue (not HRC and not someone on our campaign). >>>> >>>> Here's the draft, which I edited and can personalize depending on who we want to use as an author. A survivor of gun violence? An advocate or family member? >>>> >>>> If we can find someone, and if folks want, we could get this posted today to Medium in someone's name (not us).

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...Byline: >>>> >>>> <<I’m an xyz and here’s why this issue is really important to me>> >>>> >>>> This week, President Obama did something no president has ever done. He announced that he’ll take new steps to take on the epidemic of gun violence in America—and not a moment too soon. Gunshots have now surpassed car crashes as a leading cause of death in our country. African Americans are four times more likely to die from a gunshot than any other cause. There were 330 mass shootings in 2015. And 147 people in the U.S. were killed by guns in just the first four days of 2016. We can’t go on like this. >>>> >>>> Like most Americans, I’m grateful to President Obama for taking action, and calling on all of us—including responsible gun owners—to do the same. I’d expect nothing less from someone I voted for twice. And I expect nothing less from our next president. >>>> >>>> I like Senator Sanders, and there are a lot of issues where I agree with him. But when it comes to gun violence, he’s not on my side—in fact, he’s taken the side of the gun lobby. >>>> >>>> Senator Sanders talks about supporting gun violence measures. Today, his campaign even said that there is “zero daylight between the President and Senator Bernie Sanders on guns.” But when you look at his voting record, his actions don’t match his words. >>>> >>>> Senator Sanders voted against the Brady Bill five times. That’s legislation that instituted federal background checks for gun sales, and has kept 2 million guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them. Senator Sanders voted against it. And against it. And against it. And against it. And against it. >>>> ...
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12278
 
Stock market will do well when she is elected.  

Health care will cost more than ever and have almost 100% of the country enrolled and nothing will be done with pricing.  Benefit to Health sector.

We will be at war, actual war.  Cost of oil will be higher as a result.  Benefit to defense sector, banking, and energy sector.

Global trade deals will benefit large corporations as a whole, increasing corporate profits and ####### over the middle class.  Benefit to all sectors.  

 
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