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If it's realistic to assume that someone would burn a church and paint a pro-candidate slogan as a means to drum up support for that candidate, why is it crazy to think that someone would burn a church and paint a pro-candidate slogan as a means to drum up support for the other candidate? 

I mean.. if someone is insane enough to burn a church... how is that small of a shift in rationale hard to imagine? 
 
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I'm not saying it could happen, but people are saying it.  Smart, fantastic people.  Not me.  But people are saying it could happen.

 
Hang 10 said:
So now Trump is Kim Kardashian? And I thought the Hitler comparisons were offensive...
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Kardashian is vastly superior to Trump.

What is one positive thing you can say about Trump's qualifications to be president that doesn't also apply to Kardashian? I can't come up with anything.

Now consider whether there's anything negative about Trump that doesn't apply to Kardashian.  I can come up with lots of things.

 
Hang 10 said:
Or maybe they wanted to make it a national story to bolster the craptastic arguments being floated in here. 
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Sure.  And you think that's four times as likely as some drunk Mississippi redneck burning down a black church and screaming "Vote Trump!"

 
Workhorse said:
Which is more likely:  An unhinged Trump supporter in the deep south, a part of the country where ignorant racists have historically burned churches to intimidate African-Americans for decades, feels empowered to burn a church by a candidate who has used racist buzzwords during his Presidential campaign. 

Or:

Hillary Clinton, who has engaged in some shady dealings in DC with her emails and coziness with all sorts of insiders, plants a false flag and has a supporter burn a church in the middle of nowhere Mississippi to try to compel African-Americans to go the polls.

The former fits into patterns of behavior for many generations in that part of the country. The latter exists at the fringes of political "thought" and wouldn't be credible as part of a movie.




 
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or the Bob Creamer component that was exposed this election cycle.  

 
Since I spend more time in Mississippi than most here, I should probably point out that when a town's location is best described as "Oh, about two hours' drive from Jackson" there's a very low likelihood of a vast conspiracy happening there.

 
Hang 10 said:
 Latent finger prints? Seems odd that you could hold a gun with enough force to shoot yourself without making decent prints. How long was he in the woods before his body was found?
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He left work at 100 pm 7/20 and they found his body around 530 pm. That's around p. 225.

However like I said they build up several other reasons connecting the gun to use by Foster including the hammer leaving a distinct mark on his thumb, so it did leave an impression.

eta: not from the file but I did see this online:

"I cannot make this point to you too strongly. There is no victory, no advantage, no fee, no favor which is worth even a blemish on your reputation for intellect and integrity," he said. ". . . Dents to the reputation in the legal profession are irreparable."
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- That's Vince Foster and he worked for the Clintons, imagine how he felt.

 
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I mean some of you on the Left need to just take a breath and calm down. I have voted for Trump already, but the chances of him winning are way out there. The map just doesn't work in his favor no matter how you slice it.

Clinton is more than likely going to win this (she is still at what 75% odds). It just drives me crazy--when she was up big time, you guys were already doing your victory lap and now (gasp!!) more dirt is found on her for a change (instead of the non-stop negative junk on Trump) and some of you are acting like this country is on the verge of becoming Nazi Germany.

Calm down. Your candidate probably has this sewn up and this whole email scandal may have actually been the best thing to happen to her--it energizes her base to vote when they could have bought the MSM narrative she was a shoe in.

Now just repeat after me "She has this. She has this". Now on election night just relax, take off your Birkenstocks and have a nice cup of chai tea, she just doesn't need your vote, she has this in the bag.

:P

 
Do you guys ever stop for a moment and consider the value in arguing over whether some nut job arsonist votes R or D? 

Why is this even something worthy of discussion?

 
sublimeone said:
Do you guys ever stop for a moment and consider the value in arguing over whether some nut job arsonist votes R or D? 

Why is this even something worthy of discussion?
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How else can we trot out the "No True Democrat/Republican" burn?

Edit: Ohhh...burn is a poor choice of words here.

 
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sublimeone said:
Do you guys ever stop for a moment and consider the value in arguing over whether some nut job arsonist votes R or D? 

Why is this even something worthy of discussion?
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I've discussed this over and over again, but because the President is primarily a figurehead whose election legitimizes the concerns and viewpoints of the voters who put him/her into office. 

 
NCCommish said:
About as anti-Hillary as they get. Doesn't excuse Trump for his rhetoric or the deliberately obtuse who pretend it isn't happening.
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This...now if only the establishment types hadn't worked so hard at ingraining in the electorate that a vote for someone not D or R is a "wasted" vote maybe we could have more free thinkers, but here we are.

 
Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon Will Quigg Endorses Hillary Clinton for President



He says he's retracting his endorsement of Donald Trump.

 
NCCommish said:
I think they didn't vote for anyone. What does it say about the GOP, it's policies and it's leadership that you think they would vote for them?
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Oh come on NC. You are a smart, long-time poster. If the GOP was running a frozen turkey against the black guy, do you honestly think the KKK would be staying home?

There are fringe, terrible groups on both sides of the political spectrum, stop making it seem like that the GOP owns them all.

 
If Trump gets elected, these things happen:

- Clintons and cronies get exposed (likely pardoned, but some scapegoats will go to jail)

- Trump is marginalized as the Dems win the Senate.  He has no idea how to get things done.  It's the worst gridlock ever.  Media will be on him at every turn.  Possibly impeached or killed.

- Dems regroup and get back to having fair primaries.

- GOP thinks they won something, but the country is mostly aligned with freedoms / social views from the left.

- We don't go to war with China or Russia.  

- Trumps team likely does negotiate better trade deals for our country.  Opposing TPP alone ensures that.

- Some of the corruption goes away 

Conclusion: It's a major ####-show temporarily, but it gets the USA back on the right track for 2020

 
Andy Dufresne said:
About the same as I would think The Communist Party of America would vote Democratic.
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Well at least that makes sense as the Communist Party has been telling it's voters to vote Democrat since 1988. Although they went heavy for Nader according to polling and I would assume.they still tend to vote a lot for third parties over establishment candidates.

 
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NCCommish said:
Well at.lwast that makes sense as the Communist Party has been telling it's voters to vote Democrat since 1988. Although they went heavy for Nader according to polling and I would assume.they still tend to vote a lot for third parties over establishment candidates.
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But WHY would they tell their voters to vote Democrat?

 
The republican party's platform is conservative, and the KKK is conservative, so therefore the KKK's endorsement is to be expected?

:loco:

 
David Dodds said:
If Trump gets elected, these things happen:

- Clintons and cronies get exposed (likely pardoned, but some scapegoats will go to jail)

- Trump is marginalized as the Dems win the Senate.  He has no idea how to get things done.  It's the worst gridlock ever.  Media will be on him at every turn.  Possibly impeached or killed.

- Dems regroup and get back to having fair primaries.

- GOP thinks they won something, but the country is mostly aligned with freedoms / social views from the left.

- We don't go to war with China or Russia.  

- Trumps team likely does negotiate better trade deals for our country.  Opposing TPP alone ensures that.

- Some of the corruption goes away 

Conclusion: It's a major ####-show temporarily, but it gets the USA back on the right track for 2020
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He'll get to nominate a conservative Justice and roll back every executive order Obama has made:

The easiest kind to roll-back is executive orders. Those merely require an executive order to take them back, and in fact Trump could issue a blanket order that rolls back every executive order Obama signed on the first day of his presidency, if he wanted to. He could also order every agency to begin a process of replacing the rules of the previous administration.
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David Dodds said:
If Trump gets elected, these things happen:

- Clintons and cronies get exposed (likely pardoned, but some scapegoats will go to jail)

- Trump is marginalized as the Dems win the Senate.  He has no idea how to get things done.  It's the worst gridlock ever.  Media will be on him at every turn.  Possibly impeached or killed.

- Dems regroup and get back to having fair primaries.

- GOP thinks they won something, but the country is mostly aligned with freedoms / social views from the left.

- We don't go to war with China or Russia.  

- Trumps team likely does negotiate better trade deals for our country.  Opposing TPP alone ensures that.

- Some of the corruption goes away 

Conclusion: It's a major ####-show temporarily, but it gets the USA back on the right track for 2020
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The guy touts Alex Jones as a great American mind. He gets his foreign policy from watching cable news. He's asking military advisors why not use nukes. He's a completely clueless wild card.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
But WHY would they tell their voters to vote Democrat?
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in their own words

I think the point is they loathe the Clintons and the neoliberalism they rode in on, but realistically understand the Trump problem; whereas, the white supremacist support for Trump is a cheering fanbase. Big difference.

Blocking the fascist threat

Does the attempt then to prevent the ascendance of a Trump by the election of a centrist Democrat with a neoliberal background assist fascism’s growth? To the degree that the Clinton campaign and the broad coalition supporting it challenges the raw racism, extreme nationalism, and the anti-constitutional and undemocratic underpinnings of the Trump campaign, it cannot but help push back against the danger. If it does not, then the answer is obvious. If after the election under the guise of bipartisanship backtracking occurs on the TPP, the minimum wage, privatizing Social Security etc, the problems associated with the rise of Trump can only grow worse. But first he must be defeated. Exposing Trump is critical. The GOP nominee represents a danger of a different type. The U.S. people and many of our comrades on the left are not accustomed to fighting a danger of this kind. Trump is seen as a performer, a reality T.V. star, a larger-than-life expert brander, a not-so-dangerous buffon. But buffoonery aside, the forces lurking in and around his campaign are no joke.
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David Dodds said:
If Trump gets elected, these things happen:

- Trump is marginalized as the GOP controlled Senate and House face internal revolt.  He has no idea how to get things done.  It's the worst gridlock ever.  Media will be on him at every turn.  Possibly impeached or killed.

- Dems regroup and get back to having fair primaries.

- GOP self destructs, resulting in an epic defeat in 2020, with the loss of multiple state houses and redistrcting opportunities that ultimately give the Dems control of the House.

Conclusion: It's a major ####-show temporarily, but it gets the USA back on the right track for 2020 from the Dems POV.
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Fixt.   The only reason I'm not voting Trump is the damage he'll do to us internationally.   

 
David Dodds said:
If Trump gets elected, these things happen:

- Clintons and cronies get exposed (likely pardoned, but some scapegoats will go to jail)

- Trump is marginalized as the Dems win the Senate.  He has no idea how to get things done.  It's the worst gridlock ever.  Media will be on him at every turn.  Possibly impeached or killed.

- Dems regroup and get back to having fair primaries.

- GOP thinks they won something, but the country is mostly aligned with freedoms / social views from the left.

- We don't go to war with China or Russia.  

- Trumps team likely does negotiate better trade deals for our country.  Opposing TPP alone ensures that.

- Some of the corruption goes away 

Conclusion: It's a major ####-show temporarily, but it gets the USA back on the right track for 2020
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Do these projections assume great inseason management?

 
Rohn Jambo said:
Will Huma take all the blame?

 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/huma-abedin-not-hillary-clinton-criminal-article-1.2853858
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Classified information on an unclassified system? Bad, unauthorized, improper or illegal.

Classified information printed out? Worse.

Classified information printed out at home? Worser.

Arguably technically having the information on a server located in one's home is the virtual equivalent of the printing. However Hillary and Abedin already got past that. The Feds have to show that Abedin doing this at home, as opposed to at State or near fellow SD employees, showed some kind of knowledge or understanding of the classified nature of the content within. If Abedin gets new, separate counsel (currently it's Karen Dunn), that would be a sign that things have gone south for Abedin (and thus Hillary).

 
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I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that maybe, just maybe the reason that the Klan, Neo Nazi's and such are supporting Trump is because they have been told since day one by everyone in the Clinton campaign and many many others that Trump is the biggest racist and xenophobe since Hitler.  Maybe even worse.  

I don't think that those guys are all that smart or intellectually ambitious, so maybe they haven't bothered to check and see what Trump has actually said about all of that stuff.

Again, I'm not a Trump guy, but this Trump is Hitler stuff is childish and dumb.

 
Courtjester said:
I mean some of you on the Left need to just take a breath and calm down. I have voted for Trump already, but the chances of him winning are way out there. The map just doesn't work in his favor no matter how you slice it.

Clinton is more than likely going to win this (she is still at what 75% odds). It just drives me crazy--when she was up big time, you guys were already doing your victory lap and now (gasp!!) more dirt is found on her for a change (instead of the non-stop negative junk on Trump) and some of you are acting like this country is on the verge of becoming Nazi Germany.

Calm down. Your candidate probably has this sewn up and this whole email scandal may have actually been the best thing to happen to her--it energizes her base to vote when they could have bought the MSM narrative she was a shoe in.

Now just repeat after me "She has this. She has this". Now on election night just relax, take off your Birkenstocks and have a nice cup of chai tea, she just doesn't need your vote, she has this in the bag.

:P
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And then again....maybe she doesn't 

:yes:

Watchout Nazi Germany & Hitler 2016

:wall:

 
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