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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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Dr. Jill Stein, pointing out the obvious:

Dr. Jill Stein ‏@DrJillStein  21h21 hours ago

Saudi Arabia:

-top Clinton Foundation donor

-lobbies US via Podesta group

-got record arms deals from Obama/Clinton

-top terrorism sponsor

 
I don't understand why people waste time on national polls?  We don't elect the elect the president that way.  I seriously think half of America thinks if you win the popular vote you are automatically the president.  

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
I don't understand why people waste time on national polls?  We don't elect the elect the president that way.  I seriously think half of America thinks if you win the popular vote you are automatically the president.  
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Nate Silver has said that the electoral college generally moves pretty closely with the popular vote, but it does seem silly that so many national polls are conducted.

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
I don't understand why people waste time on national polls?  We don't elect the elect the president that way.  I seriously think half of America thinks if you win the popular vote you are automatically the president.  
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There generally a correlation between who wins the popular vote and who wins the election (notable exception being Gore 2000, although if SCOTUS had not stepped in and stopped the recount he might have won the EC). And popular vote is an indicator as to the direction of where the electorate is trending.

 
Sinn Fein said:
This is something I was thinking about this morning - I think more people are turning out to vote for Clinton, than are turning out to vote for Trump.  There are still a lot of people who are voting against the opponent - but ultimately, I do think that Clinton actually has a more motivated base - in addition to a better ground game.

In the end, I think the late close by Trump will only help the GOP in down-ticket races, its not enough for him to overcome his own obstacles.
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That's what happens when your candidate talks like a fascist with no respect for the Constitution. 

 
Abraham said:
I love how you try to marginalize trumps rampant history of bad behavior by trying to lob Clinton in with him. "You know two things I hate most? Blue cheese and nazis. Those are the worst two things in the world"
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Marginalizing?   Not at all.  I think they both should be in jail.  You may believe there is a huge difference between them.   I see them as both felons.  

 
Interesting that yesterday people here kept pointing to #SpiritDinner trending all morning on Twitter, but oddly no mention of Clinton Rebounds doing the same. Wonder why? Anyway...

DynasticCosmo‏@DynasticCosmo 4m4 minutes ago

Clinton Rebounds on Enthusiasm;

Trump Slips Overall in Latest Poll - ABC News

http://abcn.ws/2e9Spia  (via @ABC)

Support for Donald Trump has slipped to its lowest in 10 days and enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton has recovered from its apparent damage by the latest FBI email investigation. Yet the race between them remains close in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll.

Forty-seven percent of likely voters support Clinton with 43 percent for Trump in the latest four-night results. Whether it holds is an open question: Monday night’s results, the best for Clinton in the series, will roll out tomorrow.

While the shifts have been within the survey’s margin of sampling error, the contest has gone from +1 Trump, 45-46 percent, Oct. 30, to +4 Clinton today. Trump’s support now is numerically its lowest since Oct. 25.
 
squistion said:
Interesting that yesterday people here kept pointing to #SpiritDinner trending all morning on Twitter, but oddly no mention of Clinton Rebounds doing the same. Wonder why? Anyway...

DynasticCosmo‏@DynasticCosmo 4m4 minutes ago

Clinton Rebounds on Enthusiasm;

Trump Slips Overall in Latest Poll - ABC News

http://abcn.ws/2e9Spia  (via @ABC)

Support for Donald Trump has slipped to its lowest in 10 days and enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton has recovered from its apparent damage by the latest FBI email investigation. Yet the race between them remains close in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll.

Forty-seven percent of likely voters support Clinton with 43 percent for Trump in the latest four-night results. Whether it holds is an open question: Monday night’s results, the best for Clinton in the series, will roll out tomorrow.

While the shifts have been within the survey’s margin of sampling error, the contest has gone from +1 Trump, 45-46 percent, Oct. 30, to +4 Clinton today. Trump’s support now is numerically its lowest since Oct. 25.
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Wait....was that one of those stories cowrote with the Clinton campaign.

oh, who to believe 

:excited:

**can we use these again? Was that just for one day?

 
enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton has recovered from its apparent damage by the latest FBI email investigation.
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I'm sticking to my belief that James Comey did Hillary a huge favor by sending that letter.  It scared the crap out of people who are terrified of Trump being President. 

Thanks, Comey!

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
I've been in here ragging on Hillary since before she was the nominee. I have voted against her directly twice, in 2008 and in 2016.

I'm here today to say that I'm voting for Hillary Clinton, and I'll be proud to do it. She's got a good platform, please read it. She is a policy person, and a person that my daughter can look up to. I absolutely can't stand the thought of Trump winning, and having to explain that to my daughter. He's clearly a buffoon and a racist, plainly.

Folks, it's not that complicated. Donald Trump is a big problem. Hillary Clinton has a platform and policies that would seek to move America forward. See it for what it is, simply. Thanks folks, it's been fun. See you on election night.
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Hillary = GOOD

Donald = BAD

got it....glad she figured out how to be GOOD enough for your vote when she wasn't previously.

apoarently she has cleaned up her unethical behavior and has worked to be in touch with the "folks"

 
jerry jones said:
Hillary = GOOD

Donald = BAD

got it....glad she figured out how to be GOOD enough for your vote when she wasn't previously.

apoarently she has cleaned up her unethical behavior and has worked to be in touch with the "folks"
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Hillary still bad.  But bad is a relative term.  Compared to Trump... well, at least Hillary has some good qualities.  

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
I don't understand why people waste time on national polls?  We don't elect the elect the president that way.  I seriously think half of America thinks if you win the popular vote you are automatically the president.  
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Because people like a horse race. So, that's what the ratings driven media presents. And helps reinforce.

These idiots talking about a left wing media bias. They have the same bias as most any other large Organization - looking out for number 1, aka $.  And if you are foolish enough to believe that's a benefit to anyone but Trump in this cycle, well, how could we expect logic to have any place in an emotionally driven "thought" process to begin with. 

 
jon_mx said:
Marginalizing?   Not at all.  I think they both should be in jail.  You may believe there is a huge difference between them.   I see them as both felons.  
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He's a bad person, a sexist, a racist, a narcissist, a liar and a felon. 

Shes a liar and a felon. 

Yes, huge difference. All presidents are liars.  Some are felons. It's been a while since we've had one that is a bad person, a sexist, and a racist. 

 
Abraham said:
He's a bad person, a sexist, a racist, a narcissist, a liar and a felon. 

Shes a liar and a felon. 

Yes, huge difference. All presidents are liars.  Some are felons. It's been a while since we've had one that is a bad person, a sexist, and a racist. 
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She's a bad person and a narcissist too.  She's also a hypocrite by funding so many overseas groups that treat women horribly.   Really the only difference in the two is she has government experience and he doesn't.

 
- Ambassador asked about attracting more investments/businesses to Rwanda, including mining/natural resources investors. I emphasized CGI as an opportunity for Kagame to engage investors. I also mentioned Barclays interest in doing something at CGI on investing in Africa. Also mentioned Kagame doing a side-meeting at/around CGI that convenes investors interested in Rwanda, akin to WJC's investor meeting for Ireland or session WJC did for Haiti last year at CGI.
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This is a charity or a global pr and consulting group?

 
Dedfin said:
Hi Quez,

Maybe you are just trying to be glib here, and it just comes off a little weird.  FYI most hispanic people in this country are actually from this country.  Suggesting hispanic people to go "back" to a country they've never called their own is about as ignorant as suggesting a black person to go "back" to you know where.
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He was making ridiculous generalizations about early Hispanic votes being positive for Clinton.  Most of the Hispanics in FL love Trump.

 
squistion said:
Michael Cohen‏@speechboy71 2h2 hours ago

To give you sense of why Nevada early vote matters ..

if Clinton wins NV she can lose OH, FL, NC, AZ, IA & NH & still be elected POTUS
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Just for the sake of argument: as I understood it it's down to winning 2 of 3, NV and/or CO and/or NH. CO is not on the list. If I'm not mistaken if Hillary wins NV she still needs to win CO (not on the list) to do this. I think she does do this (and gets several of the other states on that list) but just thought I'd point out it's kind of redundant.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Just for the sake of argument: as I understood it it's down to winning 2 of 3, NV and/or CO and/or NH. CO is not on the list. If I'm not mistaken if Hillary wins NV she still needs to win CO (not on the list) to do this. I think she does this (and gets several of the other states on that list) but just thought I'd point out it's kind of redundant.
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Yes, she still needs Colorado but based on the polls if she loses Colorado then it likely means she lost in a blowout.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
She's a good person?  honest person?  Not a felon?  Not narcissistic?  
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From:ntanden@gmail.com To: john.podesta@gmail.com

Date: 2015-09-03 18:27

Subject: Ahead of Andrea - unsolicited advice

Have her beat the #### out of a punch doll (or maybe a staffer)...so she would be warm and charming in the interview. During the height of the primaries when she was doing morning show after morning show she would be relatively unpleasant. But then she actually did a good job on the shows.
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- A real sweetheart.
 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Yeah I didn't think Neera Tanden was really suggesting John Podesta bring a vassal for her to beat before the throne room ceremony.

But I think we all get the joke.
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If she was a man this would be a non-issue.  Incredible that people don't see the double standard.  LBJ was a complete ####ing ###hole and a pretty good President.  It was ok for him to be that way though because he was a man.

 
Henry Ford said:
Is that what I bolded?
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That was everything else in the original post of the discussion.  We agree on their government experience.   If you were adding additional qualities you want to evaluate perhaps you should have listed them.  But honestly there isn't a whole lot of difference in the two of them as people.  They are both terrible people.  Arguing over who is a worse person is splitting hairs.  The one thing I agree with the Hillary gang here is she at least has government experience.  It's not enough to make me vote for her (not voting Trump either before anyone loses their mind) because I think she's run an enormous criminal enterprise with a lot of power and protection in DC.

 
Quez said:
He was making ridiculous generalizations about early Hispanic votes being positive for Clinton.  Most of the Hispanics in FL love Trump.
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Doubling down on the weird race ignorance.  Nice Trump move.  Quezilla, I like your football opinions, but not your political ones so much.  1 outta 2 aint bad :)  

 
cstu said:
If she was a man this would be a non-issue.  Incredible that people don't see the double standard.  LBJ was a complete ####ing ###hole and a pretty good President.  It was ok for him to be that way though because he was a man.
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Eh, that wasn't his rep to the people when he ran. Different time. We know everything about candidates now. Trump being a total ***hole is definitely a factor.

 
A majority of voters believe Hillary Clinton has done something illegal, according to a new McClatchy-Marist Poll days before the presidential election.

A total of 83 percent of likely voters believe that Clinton did something wrong – 51 percent saying she did something illegal and 32 percent saying she something unethical but not illegal. Just 14 percent said she’s done nothing wrong.

By comparison, 79 percent think Donald Trump did something wrong, though not nearly as many think he did something illegal. Just 26 percent think he’s done something illegal, while 53 percent think he’s dome something unethical but not illegal. Just 17 percent think he’s done nothing wrong.
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Link.

This has been a running debate that Squiz and I have had through the thread about how relevant this stuff would be.

It appears to me it is relevant right up until the end.

Here are the cross-tabs.

For Hillary:

- 13% of Democrats think she did something illegal.

- 50% of Democrats (on top of that 13) think she did something unethical.

So it's 63% of Dems who think she acted illegally or unethically.

With Independents those numbers are 57% and 34%, for a remarkable 91%.

Case rested.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Link.

This has been a running debate that Squiz and I have had through the thread about how relevant this stuff would be.

It appears to me it is relevant right up until the end.

Here are the cross-tabs.

For Hillary:

- 13% of Democrats think she did something illegal.

- 50% of Democrats (on top of that 13) think she did something unethical.

So it's 63% of Dems who think she acted illegally or unethically.

With Independents those numbers are 57% and 34%, for a remarkable 91%.

Case rested.
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I'm included in those numbers. I think she probably acted unethically. 

 
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