Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

[David Dodds]

I'm not going to continue to engage in pointless back and forth on this, but there is nothing wrong with peaceful demonstration. When violence and destruction come into play it's wrong no matter who is doing it. Personally I think the Dems doing it now should have been out knocking on doors for the last month but they have every right to express themselves now. As for the "both sides don't do it", that's just nonsense. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests




 

How about when MoveOn.org uses Soros money to organize the protests, make the signs, etc?  

 

[IvanKaramazov]

From Twitter:

Clinton lost PA, MI, WI by 109,000 votes—or less people can than fit in Michigan Stadium (115,000)

I'm trying to decide which image is worse: 100K Trump supporters crammed into Michigan Stadium, or 100K Michigan fans crammed into Michigan Stadium.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

How about when MoveOn.org uses Soros money to organize the protests, make the signs, etc?  

Not sure why that would make a difference? As long as demonstrations are peaceful they are protected speech. 

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

He won't be president for a second term.

Jesus Christ we have learned nothing.

 

[IC FBGCav]

She's dead Jim.

 

[The Commish]

I'm trying to decide which image is worse: 100K Trump supporters crammed into Michigan Stadium, or 100K Michigan fans crammed into Michigan Stadium.

:finger:

 

[mrip541]

The overwhelmingly vast majority of people didn't vote against or not vote for Hillary because of her gender or because they agreed with Trump's comments on women and minorities.  If the left can get past this stupid hang up, they will start to understand and do better next time.  If they insist on sticking to the racist/sexist narrative, we will see a lot more of the same.

If a law is supposedly enacted without racist intent but has a discriminatory effect, it's still a racist law, and the lawmakers who supported that law are at best insensitive to the issue.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I took a cursory look at Colorado since it's my home state. Overall participation was very slightly higher (+11,000 votes 2016 vs. 2012) though with population growth it's probably proportionally lower. Pretty close though. In terms of net votes vs. 2012, using Obama and Romney's totals:

Clinton -115,006 votes (-8.7%)
Trump -48,889 (-4.1%)
Johnson +93,538 (+263%)
Stein +25,501 (+340%)
McMullin + 26,715 (not on 2012 ballot)

So instant analysis for CO, which Clinton won by a smaller margin than Obama did, looks like third party candidates made the biggest difference. 

Will be taking a look at all 50 states and in particular states that passed voter restriction laws (in CO it's really easy to vote). 

 

[tonydead]

Yeah, pretty much so. It was dismissed as "locker room talk."

Exactly, the majority of American's must agree with that.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

If you think the media is biased, I'm giving 7/1 odds - you in?

You were giving but not paying!

 

[Slapdash]

Exactly, the majority of American's must agree with that.

Majority of Americans didn't vote this election

 

[beavers]

Jesus Christ we have learned nothing.

Yes. He will fail on promising the world to his supporters.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I found something more fun to do on Tuesday night - I'll be sitting in a class learning a discounted cash flow program for 3 hours.

Good cash flow is to not pay your bets.

 

[beavers]

Exactly, the majority of American's must agree with that.

Not really. Nice try tho.

 

[jon_mx]

I think '7 to 1' is going to be a punchline around here for a while.  

 

[tonydead]

Majority of Americans didn't vote this election

If you can't count them then they, well, don't count.

 

[Jayrod]

If a law is supposedly enacted without racist intent but has a discriminatory effect, it's still a racist law, and the lawmakers who supported that law are at best insensitive to the issue.

Apples and oranges.  Laws can have a predictive, direct effect.  The results of the actions that result from the personal beliefs of a candidate are much more difficult to ascertain.  Especially when we aren't even certain what those beliefs really are.

 

[Parrothead]

God I wish there had been a film crew there.

I give her a pass on this- how did you expect her to react?  She's been campaigning for President for the last 20 years, and it all came crashing down at 2:30 AM against TRUMP!  Had to be a tough pill to swallow  

 

[Jayrod]

Yes. He will fail on promising the world to his supporters.

So did Obama and he got re-elected.

The reversal of the roles between 2008 and 2016 are so symmetrical its scary.

 

[beavers]

So did Obama and he got re-elected.

The reversal of the roles between 2008 and 2016 are so symmetrical its scary.

Actually, Obama had a lot of success that made me vote for him the second term.

 

[tonydead]

Not really. Nice try tho.

You suggested the locker room talk excuse as the reason why they voted for Trump, not me.  If you're not saying that anymore then what is the explanation for them overlooking sexual assault?  Do you really believe the majority of Americans (that voted) believe that other political issues are more important than that?

 

[avoiding injuries]

God I wish there had been a film crew there.

Romney had one, but he wasn't a fake, superficial candidate who blew snot bubbles when he lost. 

 

[beavers]

You suggested the locker room talk excuse as the reason why they voted for Trump, not me.  If you're not saying that anymore then what is the explanation for them overlooking sexual assault?  Do you really believe the majority of Americans (that voted) believe that other political issues are more important than that?

Already answered this question earlier.

 

[Jayrod]

Actually, Obama had a lot of success that made me vote for him the second term.

And I predict the same for Trump.  His supporters will be happy with a handful of things and his detractors will be jumping up and down screaming about how he didn't do exactly what he said he was going to do.

 

[ffldrew]

I took a cursory look at Colorado since it's my home state. Overall participation was very slightly higher (+11,000 votes 2016 vs. 2012) though with population growth it's probably proportionally lower. Pretty close though. In terms of net votes vs. 2012, using Obama and Romney's totals:

Clinton -115,006 votes (-8.7%)
Trump -48,889 (-4.1%)
Johnson +93,538 (+263%)
Stein +25,501 (+340%)
McMullin + 26,715 (not on 2012 ballot)

So instant analysis for CO, which Clinton won by a smaller margin than Obama did, looks like third party candidates made the biggest difference. 

Will be taking a look at all 50 states and in particular states that passed voter restriction laws (in CO it's really easy to vote). 

I have some friends in the Libertarian Party leadership - almost an oxymoron there - but they are getting better and better at this in my opinion. They have some basic building blocks going down for longer term growth - I wouldn't vote that way - but I was impressed. Their chats and facebook posts are struggling with the "purity" issue - but some adult voices seemed to have prevailed in order to move on.

The McMullin part was interesting as well as the Mormons were really rallying around him - he seemed to lose some steam towards election day but if Trump is a clown or really makes some missteps it will be interesting if that turns into some sort of movement in Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Colorado. He had a pretty impressive resume for a third party candidate and he's young. Much better chance that it fades into the sunset IMO - but something to follow nonetheless.

 

[tonydead]

Already answered this question earlier.

Then retracted it.

Never mind, good luck with whatever quest you are on.  

 

[ffldrew]

Next election Dems need to skip the TV ads and use that money for on the ground get out the vote operations.  The lack of creativity boggles my mind.

Rock the vote?

How about you bring in your mail ballot and get free entry into a concert the week of voting if you are under 35?  The election came down to 40k votes in these states.  That's one concert.  It sounds silly but it adds up.

They tried some of this - there was a way to download some songs from Head and Heart among others for getting involved. I haven't heard what effect it may have had.

 

[jon_mx]

She couldn't stop bawling after being informed she is a loser. Man, that is the icing on the cake.

She couldn't stop crying.

"Her friend said — her female friend from way, way, back — said that it was even hard to understand what she was saying, she was crying so hard.

"This is Hillary we're talking about," Klein said.

 AWESOME!!!!! She had to be blowing snot bubbles.

Kind of painful to look at.  Even knowing what an arrogant ##### she can be.  

 

[rodg12]

They tried some of this - there was a way to download some songs from Head and Heart among others for getting involved. I haven't heard what effect it may have had.

They can try.  Problem is the voter suppression is only going to get worse, I fear.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-gops-attack-on-voting-rights-was-the-most-under-covered-story-of-2016/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yaknow you better be careful what you ask for, I'm guessing millions of uninformed, disinterested persons aren't necessarily going to vote like you want and very well likely may not make good decisions.

 

[Jayrod]

She couldn't stop bawling after being informed she is a loser. Man, that is the icing on the cake.

She couldn't stop crying.

"Her friend said — her female friend from way, way, back — said that it was even hard to understand what she was saying, she was crying so hard.

"This is Hillary we're talking about," Klein said.

 AWESOME!!!!! She had to be blowing snot bubbles.

What is the source of this information.  I would like to read more.

 

[timschochet]

Loan Sharks: 

You know at first I was going to write a long post disagreeing with you, and pointing out what I consider to be the major flaws in your response to me. But then I thought better of it. 

The election's over. Your side won. I want to move forward now. Donald Trump is going to be my President, and I want him to succeed, just as I wanted Obama to succeed. I wish you well. 

 

[Statorama]

What is the source of this information.  I would like to read more.

It was the lead on Yahoo news for a while

 

[Statorama]

The election's over. Your side won. I want to move forward now. Donald Trump is going to be my President, and I want him to succeed, just as I wanted Obama to succeed. I wish you well. 

I never cared about Obama succeeding, and I don't really care about Trump succeeding either.  I want America to succeed.

 

[Chaos Commish]

What is the source of this information.  I would like to read more.

It's on my google news page. A little more too it. Inconsolable tears and blaming it on Comey and Obama. Obama being blamed not for lack of support, but for not killing Comey... er I mean the Comey investigation.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Loan Sharks: 

You know at first I was going to write a long post disagreeing with you, and pointing out what I consider to be the major flaws in your response to me. But then I thought better of it. 

The election's over. Your side won. I want to move forward now. Donald Trump is going to be my President, and I want him to succeed, just as I wanted Obama to succeed. I wish you well. 

First time I've liked a post of yours or quoted you. January Jones got you off ignore. He went low, real low, low like Michael Moore described in that moving missive. He gave you the big FU between the cheeks. Good job not taking the bait. 

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I've continued to go through battleground state results. Need to set up controls for population growth, etc. but the general trend is that Trump generally does about the same as Romney in total votes. Sometimes up a little, sometimes down a little but pretty steady. Clinton is consistently a few points worse than Obama.

Johnson and Stein's vote gains are consistently about 3x over 2012 and generally account for the margin of Trump's wins in state Obama won and Clinton lost. They don't, however, make up all of Clinton's missing votes.

High level take right now: 3rd party votes and Obama voter apathy produced President Trump. The Comey letter was probably huge because of the timing.

Also, Republicans seem to be more at ease with Trump being a belligerent, racist, sexual predator than Democrats (or Obama voters at least) are with Clinton's possible Wall Street ties and email management.

 

[RnR]

They can try.  Problem is the voter suppression is only going to get worse, I fear.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-gops-attack-on-voting-rights-was-the-most-under-covered-story-of-2016/

C'mon, Rodg. Having a valid personal ID is not an unreasonable request to ensure a fair election. Everyone gets a fair shake at early voting, and the need to register to vote is pretty transparent in most states. Calling it suppression is a cop out. Where has personal responsibility gone in this country? I brought a valid ID to the polls in one of these states and I was in and out on election day in under 2 minutes. No joke. Present your ID, they have you provide signature by your name, and hand you a ballot to take to the machine.

It's 2016. We have the technology to ensure that all eligible voters are registered and have their vote counted once, if they choose to place one. It's time to ensure that's happening for all involved.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

C'mon, Rodg. Having a valid personal ID is not an unreasonable request to ensure a fair election. Everyone gets a fair shake at early voting, and the need to register to vote is pretty transparent in most states. Calling it suppression is a cop out. Where has personal responsibility gone in this country? I brought a valid ID to the polls in one of these states and I was in and out on election day in under 2 minutes. No joke. Present your ID, they have you provide signature by your name, and hand you a ballot to take to the machine.

It's 2016. We have the technology to ensure that all eligible voters are registered and have their vote counted once, if they choose to place one. It's time to ensure that's happening for all involved.

Counterpoint. Fewer than half of eligible voters participated. It's 2016, we have the technology to ensure eligible voters are registered and their vote counted. Relying on 20th century IDs that have been documented to place a greater burden on low income and minority voters makes no sense unless, for some reason, certain groups aren't looking to encourage their votes. 

 

[RnR]

Counterpoint. Fewer than half of eligible voters participated. It's 2016, we have the technology to ensure eligible voters are registered and their vote counted. Relying on 20th century IDs that have been documented to place a greater burden on low income and minority voters makes no sense unless, for some reason, certain groups aren't looking to encourage their votes. 

I'm all for making sure everyone that wants to cast a vote (and is a legal US citizen of appropriate age) is afforded the opportunity to do so... once. If you have a 21st century way of insuring this happens without the use of traditional ID methods, I'm game. As long as it doesn't involve going 100% digital with the process. I'm not sure we're ready for that just yet.

 

[squistion]

What is the source of this information.  I would like to read more.

About what one would expect "conservative author Ed Klein" who is also a tabloid writer and gossip columnist and once wrote a book about Hillary and would seems to have serious credibility issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Klein

Klein received extensive criticism for his 2005 biography of Hillary Clinton, The Truth About Hillary. Politico criticized the book for "serious factual errors, truncated and distorted quotes and overall themes [that] don't gibe with any other serious accounts of Clinton's life."[9]

 

[AAABatteries]

The statistic I nickname 'the dagger':

Of voters who said 'Donald Trump is not qualified to be president', Trump got 19% of the vote. 

One in five people who felt he was not capable of doing the job still preferred him to Hillary. 

If true, that is a pretty damning stat.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I'm all for making sure everyone that wants to cast a vote (and is a legal US citizen of appropriate age) is afforded the opportunity to do so... once. If you have a 21st century way of insuring this happens without the use of traditional ID methods, I'm game. As long as it doesn't involve going 100% digital with the process. I'm not sure we're ready for that just yet.

Here's a recent article on this 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

I don't think this needs to be complicated. Register with your SSN, keep your address current with the post office. Have accommodations for transient people to vote via provisional ballot on election day. Colorado works incredibly smoothly. 

 

[AAABatteries]

This place is better with you here, stay out of trouble 

 

 

[AAABatteries]

Imo, Trump is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place here.  If he pardonsher, or doesn't go after her, then he risk fractioning his base.  True, it's probably better for our country to just let her disappear, bit he ran his campaign on "lock her up".  If he doesn't follow through his slim chances of re-election will become even slimmer.

I don't believe Trump has a base and it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't run for re-election.

 

[Black Box]

About what one would expect "conservative author Ed Klein" who is also a tabloid writer and gossip columnist and once wrote a book about Hillary and would seems to have serious credibility issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Klein

Klein received extensive criticism for his 2005 biography of Hillary Clinton, The Truth About Hillary. Politico criticized the book for "serious factual errors, truncated and distorted quotes and overall themes [that] don't gibe with any other serious accounts of Clinton's life."[9]

Textbook poisoning the well. Well done.

 

[squistion]

Textbook poisoning the well. Well done.

Please. It is not poisoning the well. He wrote a discredited book about Hillary that had factual errors, truncated and distorted quotes. He now is spreading some unsubstantiated gossip about her on a conservative talk show. Same subject matter, so this is very relevant as it shows credibility issues since his previous book about Hillary was of dubious validity. In other words, he made up stuff about her before and probably is again.

 

[Guest]

Hillary set records for ground game GOTV AND advertising. Hillary had a top flight operation, totally professional, first class experts in their field. She was a bad candidate.

Yes!!!!!!!!

 

[bagger]

I'm all for making sure everyone that wants to cast a vote (and is a legal US citizen of appropriate age) is afforded the opportunity to do so... once. If you have a 21st century way of insuring this happens without the use of traditional ID methods, I'm game. As long as it doesn't involve going 100% digital with the process. I'm not sure we're ready for that just yet.

How can I show an ID when I mail in my vote?

 

[bagger]

I don't believe Trump has a base and it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't run for re-election.

If he's smart he goes out "on top" without risk of a blemish. Then he can save up another 4 years 12 year from now ?