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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)
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HellToupee
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Koya
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God I can't stand Hillary. But damn, the stakes are way to high here. Love that Bernie brings to the limelight some really essential and structural issues that we as a nation face.
However, I can't imagine the potential backward slide we as a society could actually take, especially in the face of these issues of income inequality and a system which forces good companies to keep their money in tax shelters and allows bad companies to essential pillage the earth.
More important to me, is the risk of at best stalling if not erasing our huge gains in achieving the true dream of our nation's founders - equality and freedom for all. Not for whites, or straights or theists - ALL.
And since so many of my fellow american seem to not have to backbone to truly embrace what freedom really means, and what it necessitates (including accepting the rights of OTHERS to have every freedom that you do... no more, no less) #### it, I'm 100% behind Hillary and getting the right Justices to lay the groundwork for LITERALLY the rest of my life.
Can't #### this up, even if it means I have to live with this carpet bagging hag as President.
However, I can't imagine the potential backward slide we as a society could actually take, especially in the face of these issues of income inequality and a system which forces good companies to keep their money in tax shelters and allows bad companies to essential pillage the earth.
More important to me, is the risk of at best stalling if not erasing our huge gains in achieving the true dream of our nation's founders - equality and freedom for all. Not for whites, or straights or theists - ALL.
And since so many of my fellow american seem to not have to backbone to truly embrace what freedom really means, and what it necessitates (including accepting the rights of OTHERS to have every freedom that you do... no more, no less) #### it, I'm 100% behind Hillary and getting the right Justices to lay the groundwork for LITERALLY the rest of my life.
Can't #### this up, even if it means I have to live with this carpet bagging hag as President.
squistion
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Willie Neslon
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Sanders never went after her so she hasn't had to play defense at all yet in the primaries except of course when stories detailing her shady behavior hit the wires. In the general it's all going to be defense. Hammered over and over and over. It's going to be a turkey shoot.
Willie Neslon
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Two time Obama voter. No chance Hillary will get my vote and there are many of us.Says the guy who voted for Mitt Romney.
Riversco
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I looked at this wiki page, which has all the general election state polling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016#Pennsylvania
Florida, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania are too close to call. There are two Florida polls, one with Hillary beating Trump & one Trump winning. Pennsylvania is really tight with Hillary having a 2-3 point lead. Conflicting polls have either Trump or Hillary winning North Carolina. But Trump must win all 3 to beat Hillary.
Rubio looks like a stronger national candidate because he leads in all polling vs Hillary in Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. There are NO polls showing Hillary beating Rubio in any of those 3 states. Rubio turns those 3 states red and is winning the Colorado polls as well.
I think the GOP really wants Trump out of the race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016#Pennsylvania
Florida, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania are too close to call. There are two Florida polls, one with Hillary beating Trump & one Trump winning. Pennsylvania is really tight with Hillary having a 2-3 point lead. Conflicting polls have either Trump or Hillary winning North Carolina. But Trump must win all 3 to beat Hillary.
Rubio looks like a stronger national candidate because he leads in all polling vs Hillary in Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. There are NO polls showing Hillary beating Rubio in any of those 3 states. Rubio turns those 3 states red and is winning the Colorado polls as well.
I think the GOP really wants Trump out of the race.
squistion
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That is not what you said in 2012, when you were supposedly living in Tulsa and polling your friends there and looking at yard signs. You stated here, in this forum, that although you were an "independent" you were voting for Romney, Then, after he lost, the Willie Neslon alias you use disappeared for about a year until you felt comfortable facing people again in this forum.
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NutterButter
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Why does he absolutely need PA? OH, FL, VA and the likes of a NH or Iowa alone give him 270+.
HellToupee
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Higgs
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NutterButter
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Yard signs. That was a good time. Wasn't that in western PA?
Willie Neslon
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I never disappeared. All of this was discussed in the podcast. I never felt uncomfortable facing anyone. Just making stuff up. Romney carried every county in my state.
Smack Tripper
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To my knowledge, the testimony predated the interview with the CIA bureau chief confirming this information.
And definitely predated the release of her emails confirming that the day after she had knowledge it was not related to a video.
So what was her adequate explanation there?
squistion
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You didn't post for almost a year starting the day after election day 2012. Maybe you posted under another alias, but the Willie Neslon moniker you used disappeared for a substantial period of time.
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NutterButter
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Great news for the Dems if they can wrap this up a lot sooner before the convention. That was a big concern.
Willie Neslon
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Simply not true. I suppose I posted more leading up to the election but I never left. I would say that you didn't post after election day but I don't think I ever noticed you before a few weeks ago. Man.
Mister CIA
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Higgs
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tommyGunZ
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Let's be honest Ham, we're essentially getting a 3rd Obama term. How is that "horrible for America"?
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
tommyGunZ
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Welcome aboard Koya. Leave the grade school "hag" stuff - that stuff doesn't fly at the adult table.
Koya
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One time Obama one time Gary Johnson voter. With all due respect, let's get our ####### priorities straight here.
Then sit me at the kids table. Done too much in my life to lot express my displeasure at the "establishment" at least by being honest about my thought re: sHillary.
Let me be clear, kid as I may be. She is a shill. Not a shill of the people, nor the downtrodden. Not a shill of freedom nor true equality and Liberty. Oh, she is so ####### wrong on Liberty, but I digress.
My god, do you see the other option(s).
so yes, Hillary is a shill. A political animal and creation. But for now, she's our ####### shill.
Just appoint someone who values the actually CONSTRUCTIONIST view of our nations founding ideology. Equality and freedom. For all.
she may be an awful candidate unworthy of our affections. Hell, not may, she IS just that.
But compared to heartless or, at best, selfish facism? I'll take it.
Count me as one vote for future suprem court nominees. That is, literally, the only thing that keeps me on this train.
Adults could probably learn a lot of #### here at the kids table.
tommyGunZ
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I highly encourage you to do a bit of reading on Hillary's work for women and children as well as much of the great work the Clinton Foundation has done. She's not the monster many of you are making her out to be.
Koya
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Never called her a Monster. And I believe her intentions, generally speaking, are good.
Except those intentions, as so many things Clinton, get lost in a sea of political expediency with a strong tinge of doing what is best for the Clinton's as opposed to the greater good.
I don't need to read a book to that which I have witnessed.
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NorvilleBarnes
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Not creepy at all.
Binky The Doormat
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Its pretty creepy with tommy talking about others not qualifying to "sit at the adult table."
Made me wince anyway.
Made me wince anyway.
SIDA!
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Be honest. Some time in the last 12 months you pounded one out while fantasizing about Hillary, right? I mean. ..at least once.
timschochet
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tommyGunZ
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Nah. I supported Obama over Hillary in '08. She's by no means perfect, but the criticisms by those on the right and far left are way over the top.
SaintsInDome2006
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chauncey
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As for Benghazi, the Republicans are idiots. Trying to pin the attack on Hillary
Exactly. They were so caught up in trying to blame her for the attack. Sometimes terrible #### just happens.
Her response, and the administration's response, initially blaming it on a video is where criticism might be appropriate. It is understandable for an administration to lie about something if it is in the interest of security, for example if they had a lead on the perpetrators and wanted to keep things quiet until they caught them. The reason Benghazi gets messy is that this misdirection took place within 8-9 weeks of a presidential election where a confirmed terrorist attack on American soil that cost American lives could have reflected poorly on Obama.
chauncey
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To maintain the middle class and remain economically competitive and secure, we need to change some things that will not change under Hillary:
1. Campaign finance reform (also needed to preserve any concept of basic fairness and reverse the trend in government from the sheer idiocracy it has become)
2. Wall Street reform (namely the tax speculation introduces while adding nothing to GDP, skimming hundreds of billions from ma and pa and destabilizing the economy)
On top of this, I have pet issues like wanting to see technological investment and supporting legislation around the environment (in conflict with many corporations), medicine (in conflict with others) and radical transformation in every stage of education.
Hillary is in the pockets of her donors and will not bite the many wallets that feed her.
Hillary is a relic when it comes to technology, which underlies all of this and has to be understood particularly now because exponential advances here will reshape the world and world power in virtually every industry in the next decade. This could be its own thread. Legislation must keep pace with the power of this innovation and because it will conflict with the establishment but promise enormous benefits to billions, I think Hillary will interfere will progress here as well.
For all of these reasons, I think her rigorous adherence to status quo are bad for the country.
AAABatteries
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Hopefully Goldman Sachs is for equality and justice for all - we may actually get it then.
IvanKaramazov
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I've said all along that she would win both the nomination and general, although I'll admit Bernie had my hopes up for a while there.
Ultimately, it's sad (though not surprising) that the voters can't see this woman for the truly horrible person she is. Ultimately, it's sad (though not surprising) that the GOP can't get out of their own way and even include a quality candidate in their primary. It's sad (though not surprising) that so many people can't see past thirty second soundbites. It's sad (though not surprising) that Idiocracy is coming true.
Ultimately, it's sad (though not surprising) that the voters can't see this woman for the truly horrible person she is. Ultimately, it's sad (though not surprising) that the GOP can't get out of their own way and even include a quality candidate in their primary. It's sad (though not surprising) that so many people can't see past thirty second soundbites. It's sad (though not surprising) that Idiocracy is coming true.
SaintsInDome2006
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For those who considered honesty as the most important criteria (23%) Hillary won that group 51-49. Definitely an improvement over the three prior primaries but still her worst group by far.
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Dem
John Bender
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Although I'm a bit disappointed that the last 2 pages here have turned into what resembles a YouTube comments section flame war between teenagers (on both sides), it's good to see the big win here for Hillary in S Carolina. Seems like it's a lot of momentum going into Tuesday and that's going to really help.
Just curious if there were any stats on correlation between what happens in SC when it was held the Saturday before Super Tuesday. Does the winner in SC before Super Tuesday usually lead to a Super Tuesday trouncing for the same candidate? Tia
Just curious if there were any stats on correlation between what happens in SC when it was held the Saturday before Super Tuesday. Does the winner in SC before Super Tuesday usually lead to a Super Tuesday trouncing for the same candidate? Tia
SaintsInDome2006
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No idea on the stats but it's a big deal, it's considered a bellwether for the South on Super Tuesday and it provides the Big Mo.
SaintsInDome2006
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I truly don't see how this is possible. There should be no person ever who thinks honesty is the single most important criteria yet votes for Hillary. The only possible explanation is that they voted based on "electability", meaning honesty wasn't actually their most important criteria after all.
SaintsInDome2006
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hxperson
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Perhaps they are just thinking of the term on a relative basis...as in compared to, say Donald Trump.
SaintsInDome2006
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Well I'll take a shot at saying considering Hillary won whites 54-46, Bernie won white men 56-44, and Bernie won the 18-24 yo's 60-40, and then that Hillary won the black vote 85-15, I'm going to guess that older black voters likely did the most propping up on this issue and demographically that is the biggest difference from IA, NH & NV.
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