Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (7 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

We know damn well who's paying those legal fees and they will be expecting favors in return once Hillary is elected.

 

[Hov34]

And for that matter imagine if a white person used the N word the way black people do- totally racist, right?

Come on, man. You're better than this. This is the crap that gives "Berniebros" a bad name.

Wat?

 

[jon_mx]

History shows when the Clintons resort to finger-wagging, it does not end well for them.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I found the below interesting as many of the people being asked questions will be those connected to the Clinton foundation.   So it seems like the focus is establishing a quid pro quo with donations to the Clinton foundation   

Nearly a dozen people who worked with Clinton at State, as well as others linked to the Clinton family’s nonprofit foundation have received, or are expected to receive, formal interview requests from the bureau, the source told Fox News. The Los Angeles Times reported Sunday that the FBI was setting up interviews with Clinton’s closest associates and would likely seek an interview with her.

If anyone with the Foundation is questioned that's a big deal. The IG may have had a second referral, or it may put the deleted emails having been recovered in play.

 

[Sinn Fein]

And for that matter imagine if a white person used the N word the way black people do- totally racist, right?

Come on, man. You're better than this. This is the crap that gives "Berniebros" a bad name.

Seriously?  If Bernie or Trump had jabbed a finger in anyone's face the way Clinton did, it would be front page news...

Clinton has accused others of sexism for less.  If she can't handle an annoying person in a rope-line, how is she going to handle really stressful things?  And, for the record - she went after Bernie here, when the facts do not support her, she and her super pacs take a lot of money from people in the energy sector, and this was the work of environmental activists - no connection with Sanders...

 

[BeaverCleaver]

And for that matter imagine if a white person used the N word the way black people do- totally racist, right?

Come on, man. You're better than this. This is the crap that gives "Berniebros" a bad name.

What? And we know you aren't better than this.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

edited - re: the opne lawyer ;egal strategy posted by BS:
 
- One thing I find interesting is the mention of Heather Samuelson. This is the first time I recall seeing her as the person who sorted Hillary's emails. That's a new one on me. Hillary's has said for a long time it was her lawyers. Now it's Samuelson. She's an underling essentially.




- The single lawyer strategy does speak of confidence. Or it could be overconfidence. I think anyone doing this is taking a big risk in a criminal investigation. Typically this is what politicians caught in corruption investigations want their employees and cohorts to do. The smart ones don't do it. Now of course maybe this is no big deal after all, but this can also be read as circling the wagons and keeping the story air tight with the script being provided to the witnesses for them to follow. This strategy is designed to protect Hillary foremost, not them.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Seriously?  If Bernie or Trump had jabbed a finger in anyone's face the way Clinton did, it would be front page news...

Clinton has accused others of sexism for less.  If she can't handle an annoying person in a rope-line, how is she going to handle really stressful things?  And, for the record - she went after Bernie here, when the facts do not support her, she and her super pacs take a lot of money from people in the energy sector, and this was the work of environmental activists - no connection with Sanders...

Accusing her of sexism is ignoring context.  I don't think the allegations would be fair if aimed at anyone here, but they're particularly stupid when aimed at a woman speaking to another woman. It's nonsense. Women can be sexist against other women of course, but the notion that there's sexism behind her actions is that much stupider considering she's a woman.  Imagine the situation was the same but the protester was in Obama's face and was black. Would you accuse him of racism because if a white candidate behaved in that manner he might be accused of racism? I assume not.

Anyway, Clinton was right here. She's been accused of taking donations directly from the industry, and that's a lie.  She's taken money from people who work in the industry, but so has Sanders. And the whole attack is stupid, anyway. She's no ally of the fossil fuel industry- she's strongly in favor of the CPP and the Paris Agreement, and there's nothing in her past to suggest that she has a particular affinity for the industry. It's a misguided attempt to color her as something she's not, and waste of time. Attack her for things that matter like her hawkish tendencies on foreign policy or her transparency issues, not this garbage.

 

[Sinn Fein]

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary Clinton chose a former campaign staffer who followed her to the State Department to make the initial determination about which of her emails should be preserved as federal records, according to closed-door testimony by Clinton’s former chief of staff Cheryl Mills, a GOP source told POLITICO.

Heather Samuelson, a lawyer and 2008 Clinton campaign staffer, worked under Mills and Clinton’s attorney David Kendall to sift through her ex-boss’ messages. She helped separate those that were purely personal, which were not turned over to the State Department, from those that were work-related.

... But Clinton-related sources said that Kendall and Mills, not Samuelson, ultimately made the determinations about which emails should be preserved before Clinton decided to delete the rest.

... On Thursday, Mills testified that employees for Denver-based IT firm Platte River Networks — which housed Clinton's server until the FBI took hold of it — initially pulled emails off the server and sent them to Clinton's legal team. Samuelson did the initial sift through of the documents, pulling ones she thought were federal records. In that regard, she initially determined which should be preserved — though Kendall and Mills ultimately signed off on what Clinton sent State.
Clinton deleted the rest of her emails from her computer, wiping it clean.

It is unclear if Samuelson had a security clearance and if Kendall and Mills simply approved her recommendations, made adjustments or looked through the emails she did not pull to ensure she didn’t miss any important documents.

According to her Linked-In profile, Samuelson, who received her law degree from American University, began working for Clinton in the fall of 2002 as the assistant treasurer for her political action committee, Hill PAC, and as deputy director of compliance for Friends of Hillary.

She stayed there four years before joining Hillary Clinton for President in January 2007. For nine months she worked on compliance issues before serving as director of vetting in the campaign’s counsel’s office.

When Clinton moved to State, so did she, working for four years as senior advisor and White House liaison at the State Department from January 2009 to March 2013.

She then served as assistant counsel at the White House from then until April of 2014.

It is unclear where she is now, but a Maryland State Bar Association listing shows her address is now in Brooklyn, N.Y., which is also where Hillary for America is headquartered.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-insider-emails-heather-samuelson-screened-2016-213350#ixzz44aA0MfWp

- 9/4/15

- Considering Hillary was contacted and ordered to turn over her records in summer of 2014, Samuelson may very well have been working for Hillary's campaign at that time. Funny that her LinkedIn doesn't show anything after April 2014.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Hey, at least you're laughing now instead of whining about the unfair double standards us poor men have to face in this country.

Would have been curious to hear to address the substance too (whether the attacks on Clinton as an ally of the fossil fuel industry are fair), but I realize that's asking too much.

 

[Hov34]

Accusing her of sexism is ignoring context.  I don't think the allegations would be fair if aimed at anyone here, but they're particularly stupid when aimed at a woman speaking to another woman. It's nonsense. Women can be sexist against other women of course, but the notion that there's sexism behind her actions is that much stupider considering she's a woman.  Imagine the situation was the same but the protester was in Obama's face and was black. Would you accuse him of racism because if a white candidate behaved in that manner he might be accused of racism? I assume not.

Anyway, Clinton was right here. She's been accused of taking donations directly from the industry, and that's a lie.  She's taken money from people who work in the industry, but so has Sanders. And the whole attack is stupid, anyway. She's no ally of the fossil fuel industry- she's strongly in favor of the CPP and the Paris Agreement, and there's nothing in her past to suggest that she has a particular affinity for the industry. It's a misguided attempt to color her as something she's not, and waste of time. Attack her for things that matter like her hawkish tendencies on foreign policy or her transparency issues, not this garbage.

I'm going to try to say this as nicely as possible because I don't want to get anything "shut down".

You and Tim have your heads so firmly planted up Hillary's ### that I don't know how either of you breath.  And it's not just a Hillary problem, it's the "two party system" problem.  We are forced on one side or the other and then have to "defend" absolutely horrible candidates all because we have to "win".  So no matter what a horrible liar and shill Hillary is the Dems "have" to support her and cover for her.  Same with the Republicans who are just a mess.

You citizens who feel you have choose a side and stick with it just so you side can "win" are what is wrong with politics and why we have the two ####ty choices we have today.  What are you really winning?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm going to try to say this as nicely as possible because I don't want to get anything "shut down".

You and Tim have your heads so firmly planted up Hillary's ### that I don't know how either of you breath.  And it's not just a Hillary problem, it's the "two party system" problem.  We are forced on one side or the other and then have to "defend" absolutely horrible candidates all because we have to "win".  So no matter what a horrible liar and shill Hillary is the Dems "have" to support her and cover for her.  Same with the Republicans who are just a mess.

You citizens who feel you have choose a side and stick with it just so you side can "win" are what is wrong with politics and why we have the two ####ty choices we have today.  What are you really winning?

Hey, cool angry rant that has nothing at all to do with what I posted.  Also, I'm voting for Sanders; I just don't like the tone and tactics taken by some of his supporters.

Other than that, you totally nailed it

 

[Hov34]

Hey, cool angry rant that has nothing at all to do with what I posted.  Also, I'm voting for Sanders; I just don't like the tone and tactics taken by some of his supporters.

Other than that, you totally nailed it

You, of all people accusing someone of being angry.  Hypocrisy, you totally nailed it. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

You, of all people accusing someone of being angry.  Hypocrisy, you totally nailed it.

Relax, man. It's Friday. It's springtime. Opening Day is just around the corner. Life is good

 

[Sinn Fein]

Hey, at least you're laughing now instead of whining about the unfair double standards us poor men have to face in this country.

Would have been curious to hear to address the substance too (whether the attacks on Clinton as an ally of the fossil fuel industry are fair), but I realize that's asking too much.

She is very much a friend to the fossil fuel industry...why do you think she supported the keystone pipeline?  Her policies in the mid-east are very much pro-fossil fuel.

Taking my Bernie hat off for a moment, I think there are two reasons she supports fossil fuel industry:  Money and Money.  First, she is a direct beneficiary from the fossil fuel industry through donations to her, her super pacs, and her foundation.  When people line your pockets with cash - you tend to support them.  Second, and perhaps just as important, there is an economic reason for supporting fossil fuel industry - petrodollars.  If the US lost its standing as the world's reserve currency, there could be very drastic reactions to our own economy as the need to hold dollars drops.  I think this drives as much of our foreign policy these days as anything else - its a valid concern, within reason.  We have created an artificial bubble for US currency, and we all know what eventually happens to bubbles.  Personally, I prefer that we prepare to deal with an economy not built on a bubble - but I can understand why the establishment wants to hold on to what it has...

 

[Henry Ford]

Yeah, it's important to remember that the reason we are so hell bent on propping up oil is that the only reason we have as stable a currency as we do is oil.  Great point.

The hilarity when Russia tried to get the world to trade oil in rubles was spectacular.

 

[TobiasFunke]

She is very much a friend to the fossil fuel industry...why do you think she supported the keystone pipeline?  Her policies in the mid-east are very much pro-fossil fuel.

Taking my Bernie hat off for a moment, I think there are two reasons she supports fossil fuel industry:  Money and Money.  First, she is a direct beneficiary from the fossil fuel industry through donations to her, her super pacs, and her foundation.  When people line your pockets with cash - you tend to support them.  Second, and perhaps just as important, there is an economic reason for supporting fossil fuel industry - petrodollars.  If the US lost its standing as the world's reserve currency, there could be very drastic reactions to our own economy as the need to hold dollars drops.  I think this drives as much of our foreign policy these days as anything else - its a valid concern, within reason.  We have created an artificial bubble for US currency, and we all know what eventually happens to bubbles.  Personally, I prefer that we prepare to deal with an economy not built on a bubble - but I can understand why the establishment wants to hold on to what it has...

The bolded is false, as confirmed by that factcheck link.  At latest count according to this article and the Center for Responsive Politics, she had accepted nothing from fossil fuel companies and $307,000 from their employees. Big deal- Sanders has accepted $54,000 himself from such employees. The superpacs have gotten money, but my understanding is that some of that is from tenuous connections to the industry, like for example hedge funds that invest in those companies.I object more to her taking money from hedge funds than I care about where those funds invest, which as I said seems tenuous.

I've disagreed with some of the big Sanders folks here on Clinton and the fossil fuel industry in the Sanders thread. I went through my feelings on stuff like Keystone (don't care) and fracking (don't like the hard no, think a case by case pro/con is better). We're gonna have to agree to disagree on those particulars.  My only thing here is that Clinton doesn't strike me a great ally of the industry, and she hasn't necessarily done anything or taken any positions that suggest she is IMO. Like I said she's pro-CPP and Paris Agreement; those are two fairly significant anti-fossil fuel positions. 

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Accusing her of sexism is ignoring context.  I don't think the allegations would be fair if aimed at anyone here, but they're particularly stupid when aimed at a woman speaking to another woman. It's nonsense. Women can be sexist against other women of course, but the notion that there's sexism behind her actions is that much stupider considering she's a woman.  Imagine the situation was the same but the protester was in Obama's face and was black. Would you accuse him of racism because if a white candidate behaved in that manner he might be accused of racism? I assume not.

Anyway, Clinton was right here. She's been accused of taking donations directly from the industry, and that's a lie.  She's taken money from people who work in the industry, but so has Sanders. And the whole attack is stupid, anyway. She's no ally of the fossil fuel industry- she's strongly in favor of the CPP and the Paris Agreement, and there's nothing in her past to suggest that she has a particular affinity for the industry. It's a misguided attempt to color her as something she's not, and waste of time. Attack her for things that matter like her hawkish tendencies on foreign policy or her transparency issues, not this garbage.

 


Hillary's State Department pushed fracking all over the world and she put David Goldwyn in charge of international energy affairs.  He is a bought and paid for shill for Big Oil.

 

[timschochet]

 


Hillary's State Department pushed fracking all over the world and she put David Goldwyn in charge of international energy affairs.  He is a bought and paid for shill for Big Oil.

Goldwyn is an extremely knowledgeable guy with a very impressive resume: 

http://goldwynstrategies.com/Content/David.aspx

The "shill" part is your interpretation. It also implies that oil companies are somehow villainous and work in opposition to the interests of the middle class, which is untrue. 

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Goldwyn is an extremely knowledgeable guy with a very impressive resume: 

http://goldwynstrategies.com/Content/David.aspx

The "shill" part is your interpretation. It also implies that oil companies are somehow villainous and work in opposition to the interests of the middle class, which is untrue. 

He was a representative of the oil industry from '05-'09, it really isn't a stretch to call him a shill.  Do you deny that Hillary's State Department was very pro-fracking in almost all parts of the world during her tenure?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Goldwyn is an extremely knowledgeable guy with a very impressive resume: 

http://goldwynstrategies.com/Content/David.aspx

The "shill" part is your interpretation. It also implies that oil companies are somehow villainous and work in opposition to the interests of the middle class, which is untrue. 

Tim why do you take self-serving position statements and self-written bios as even persuasive of anything? Goldwyn himself says he himself is a fair and honest guy who is not an industry insider writing the rules for their own benefit.at.all. Shocker.

 

[timschochet]

He was a representative of the oil industry from '05-'09, it really isn't a stretch to call him a shill.  Do you deny that Hillary's State Department was very pro-fracking in almost all parts of the world during her tenure?

No. But as we've learned more about fracking she's gotten more hesitant, which is reasonable. Actually she's just where I'm at. I started out very much pro-fracking and now I'm unsure. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

He was a representative of the oil industry from '05-'09, it really isn't a stretch to call him a shill.  Do you deny that Hillary's State Department was very pro-fracking in almost all parts of the world during her tenure?

I'm not familiar with this. Could you explain it a little more?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Goldwyn is an extremely knowledgeable guy with a very impressive resume: 

http://goldwynstrategies.com/Content/David.aspx

The "shill" part is your interpretation. It also implies that oil companies are somehow villainous and work in opposition to the interests of the middle class, which is untrue. 

Tim here are some articles written by a public interest environmentalist group. I think based on your views of global warming they are much persuasive and insightful than Mr. Goldwyn's own public bio of himself.

http://www.desmogblog.com/taxonomy/term/15659/all

By the way this research has been greatly helped by DeSmog's use of Foia, which Hillary and State stiff-armed illegally for years.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm not familiar with this. Could you explain it a little more?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I'm not familiar with this. Could you explain it a little more?

I won't cut & paste the whole article as it is lengthy but here is a good start for you:

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Under her leadership, the State Department worked closely with energy companies to spread fracking around the globe — part of a broader push to fight climate change, boost global energy supply, and undercut the power of adversaries such as Russia that use their energy resources as a cudgel. But environmental groups fear that exporting fracking, which has been linked to drinking-water contamination and earthquakes at home, could wreak havoc in countries with scant environmental regulation. And according to interviews, diplomatic cables, and other documents obtained by Mother Jones, American officials — some with deep ties to industry — also helped US firms clinch potentially lucrative shale concessions overseas, raising troubling questions about whose interests the program actually serves. …

Clinton … sent a cable to US diplomats asking them to collect information on the potential for fracking in their host countries. These efforts eventually gave rise to the Global Shale Gas Initiative, which aimed to help other nations develop their shale potential. Clinton promised it would do so “in a way that is as environmentally respectful as possible.” But environmental groups were barely consulted, while industry played a crucial role. …

In late 2011, Clinton … promised to instruct US embassies around the globe to step up their work on energy issues and “pursue more outreach to private-sector energy” firms, some of which had generously supported both her and President Obama’s political campaigns.

 

[Henry Ford]

Incidentally, that's why she was trying not to just come out and say she's anti-fracking.  She spent years talking to heads of state in other countries convincing them to let American companies use hydraulic fracturing.  If she then supports a ban in her own country, she's lost a huge amount of credibility on the foreign policy front.

Which is a big impact for a President during a period when we're talking about trying to shift our trade agreements.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

At latest count according to this article and the Center for Responsive Politics, she had accepted nothing from fossil fuel companies and $307,000 from their employees.

FactCheck is just a blog, which is fine, but they are only as good as their links used for backup.

Those kinds of ties raise “serious concerns” for the folks at 350 Action, even though none of that has any bearing on the pledge.

An analysis by the Huffington Post concluded that nearly all of Clinton’s top bundlers have ties with the fossil fuel industry. They include the likes of ExxonMobil executive Theresa Mary Fariello, who raised $21,200 for the Clinton campaign, and Gordon Giffin, a former lobbyist for TransCanada, the company who tried to build Keystone XL, who has raised over $100,000. Meanwhile, the Clinton Global Initiative has accepted millions of dollars from major fossil fuel companies like Exxon and Chevron, along with Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest oil exporter.

Patterson: So, you will commit to not, if you are getting their money, to stop taking it?

Clinton: Well, I’m going to take a look and see…I mean, you’re asking me a question I never pay any attention to because they don’t actually come and talk to me. I think they think I’m a lost cause.

http://350action.org/video-hillary-clinton-opposes-all-offshore-drilling-vows-to-look-into-fossil-fuel-industry-donations/

- Those bundlers will be working in Hillary's administrations and they will be writing the rules for the energy industry.

- File this with her promise to look into releasing her transcripts.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Thanks, guys. The statement struck me as a little odd because shale gas formations aren't necessarily a global phenomenon- as that link shows there's only ten nations with 200+tcf recoverable, and most of them don't need encouraging when it comes to fossil fuel production and/or pay no mind to what the US State Department wants. And the fact that Kerry has continued to push for it, and that it came under Obama's leadership and presumably with his knowledge, leads me to wonder if this wasn't a genuinely preferred policy choice due to the fact that natural gas burns cleaner and it allows allies further independence from oil-rich countries, rather than simply Clinton being a "shill" for the industry.  Still, interesting stuff here, it's pretty clear she was pushing it in some locations whatever the reason might be. If you're not a fan of fracking it's fair to criticize her for that.

 

[Henry Ford]

Thanks, guys. The statement struck me as a little odd because shale gas formations aren't necessarily a global phenomenon- as that link shows there's only ten nations with 200+tcf recoverable, and most of them don't need encouraging when it comes to fossil fuel production and/or pay no mind to what the US State Department wants. And the fact that Kerry has continued to push for it, and that it came under Obama's leadership and presumably with his knowledge, leads me to wonder if this wasn't a genuinely preferred policy choice due to the fact that natural gas burns cleaner and it allows allies further independence from oil-rich countries, rather than simply Clinton being a "shill" for the industry.  Still, interesting stuff here, it's pretty clear she was pushing it in some locations whatever the reason might be. If you're not a fan of fracking it's fair to criticize her for that.

Chevron has shale fields in Argentina, China, Australia, South Africa, Eastern Europe, and Canada in addition to the U.S.

What does "a global phenomenon" mean, in your view?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Chevron has shale fields in Argentina, China, Australia, South Africa, Eastern Europe, and Canada in addition to the U.S.

What does "a global phenomenon" mean, in your view?

A semantics argument?

My point was that it's a much much bigger deal here than elsewhere. But I appreciate you correcting my statement, there are indeed recoverable reserves in shale formations all over the globe, and I should have phrased that sentence differently.  Do something fun with those internet points

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Meet the climate activist who upset Hillary Clinton by asking about fossil fuel money


... Fossil fuel company employees aren’t the only ones with industry connections contributing to Clinton’s campaign. A number of lobbyists who have represented fossil fuel companies are raising money for her campaign. Greenpeace has tracked donations from “bundlers” who act as mega-fundraisers for Clinton and found that $1,259,280 has been bundled or donated from people currently registered as lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry. (Greenpeace has also found that “large donors connected to the fossil fuel industry” have contributed $3,250,000 to the main super PAC supporting Clinton, but the Clinton campaign is legally prohibited from coordinating with super PACs, so that’s not something she can control.)

Even though Greenpeace plays up the amount Clinton has gotten from fossil fuel company employees and lobbyists, Dorozenski argues that Clinton could afford to forgo the donations. “It’s not such a huge amount; she doesn’t need the money,” said Dorozenski on Wednesday. Taking the group’s pledge and giving up money from fossil fuel lobbyists “would be a smart move to reach out to people who are voting for Bernie,” she argues. ...

http://fusion.net/story/287040/this-climate-activist-just-made-hillary-clinton-very-upset/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I won't cut & paste the whole article as it is lengthy but here is a good start for you:

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

...

This is a hell of an article.

And according to interviews, diplomatic cables, and other documents obtained by Mother Jones...

- Again the importance of the Foia laws and whistleblowers. Gosh just can't imagine what was in that over half of all Hillary emails she deleted (not to mention her other email adds).

According to diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks, one of Goldwyn's first acts at the State Department was gathering oil and gas industry executives "to discuss the potential international impact of shale gas." Clinton then sent a cable to US diplomats, asking them to collect information on the potential for fracking in their host countries. These efforts eventually gave rise to the Global Shale Gas Initiative, which aimed to help other nations develop their shale potential.

... In some cases, Clinton personally promoted shale gas. During a 2010 gathering of foreign ministers in Washington, DC, she spoke about America's plans to help spread fracking abroad. "I know that in some places [it] is controversial," she said, "but natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel available for power generation today." She later traveled to Poland for a series of meetings with officials, after which she announced that the country had joined the Global Shale Gas Initiative.

That August, delegates from 17 countries descended on Washington for the State Depart­ment's first shale gas conference. The media was barred from attending, and officials refused to reveal basic information, including which countries took part. When Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) inquired about industry involvement, the department would say only that there had been "a limited industry presence." (State Department officials have since been more forthcoming with Mother Jones: In addition to a number of US government agencies, they say attendees heard from energy firms, including Devon, Chesapeake, and Halliburton.)

During the cursory press conference that followed, Goldwyn, a short, bespectacled man with a shock of dark hair, argued that other nations could avoid the environmental damage sometimes associated with fracking by following America's lead and adopting "an umbrella of laws and regulations."

...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

State Department Halts Its Clinton Email Investigation, Defers to FBI


The U.S. Department of State has halted its internal review of Hillary Clinton's most sensitive emails until the FBI's own investigation is complete, the State Department announced today.

"We do not want our internal review to complicate or impede [the FBI probe]," spokeswoman Elizabeth Trudeau said. "We are prioritizing the law enforcement investigation."

In January the department revealed that during its review of Clinton's 52,000 pages of private email it had come across 22 documents that had to be upgraded to "Top Secret" and totally withheld from public release. It said at the time that it would conduct a separate internal review to determine if the secret information in those emails had been mishandled at the time the emails were sent.

Today the State Department said it is deferring that judgment to the FBI, which is conducting a more comprehensive security review of Clinton's email. The outcome of that investigation is highly anticipated amid the 2016 election cycle. Clinton has said she is confident that will not happen and that she did not break any laws with her use of a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state.

A department spokesman said it is standard practice to allow a law enforcement agency to first complete its work before any parallel investigation is done. Trudeau called the move announced today a prudent "procedural matter."

In March the FBI responded to a formal inquiry from the State Department about how it should proceed with its internal review. It recommended that the State Department follow standard practice and put its investigation on hold.

The State Department has not ruled out conducting its own review after the FBI investigation is complete, with Trudeau saying her agency will "reassess" at the appropriate time.

The FBI is expected to interview Clinton's closest aides and the presidential candidate may also be part of its investigation. It's not clear when the investigation will be completed. The FBI has not formally named Clinton as a target and she has not been accused of any crimes.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state-department-halts-clinton-email-investigation-defers-fbi/story?id=38083129

- Since last March this thing has only moved forward, never backward.

 

[The Commish]

John Kerry:  "I want nothing to do with this goat rodeo"

 

[RCon]

No. But as we've learned more about fracking she's gotten more hesitant, which is reasonable. Actually she's just where I'm at. I started out very much pro-fracking and now I'm unsure. 

How can you still be unsure?  Honestly, you get all bent out of shape about "climate change deniers", yet you act the same way about fracking.

 

[jon_mx]

How can you still be unsure?  Honestly, you get all bent out of shape about "climate change deniers", yet you act the same way about fracking.

In terms of 'settled science' the dangers of fracking are far more established.  

 

[jon_mx]

"The State Department had been reviewing the 22 Clinton emails, which were housed on her private email server, to determine whether the information in them was classified when the messages were first sent."

Read more:  http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/01/breaking-state-dept-pauses-its-review-of-hillarys-22-top-secret-emails/#ixzz44byJPqJhFrom the Daily Caller:

I am not sure what is to investigate?  BFS has already told us nothing Hillary sent was classified at the time  

 

[Quint]

Q: if HRC is [eventually] called in to be interviewed by the FBI/DoJ, does she retain the option to "plead the 5th" or otherwise refuse to answer their questions?

 

[timschochet]

Q: if HRC is [eventually] called in to be interviewed by the FBI/DoJ, does she retain the option to "plead the 5th" or otherwise refuse to answer their questions?

Sure but then her campaign is over. And then if she's already elected and this happens she'd be impeached or forced to resign. 

So it will never happen. 

 

[timschochet]

"The State Department had been reviewing the 22 Clinton emails, which were housed on her private email server, to determine whether the information in them was classified when the messages were first sent."

Read more:  http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/01/breaking-state-dept-pauses-its-review-of-hillarys-22-top-secret-emails/#ixzz44byJPqJhFrom the Daily Caller:

I am not sure what is to investigate?  BFS has already told us nothing Hillary sent was classified at the time  

I'm not sure either. 

 

[timschochet]

How can you still be unsure?  Honestly, you get all bent out of shape about "climate change deniers", yet you act the same way about fracking.

I need to read more about the dangers of fracking. With regard to climate change, the vast majority of the world's brightest people believe it is a major threat tommankind's furure existence. jon's comment about "settled science" is absurd. 

 

[Quint]

Sure but then her campaign is over. And then if she's already elected and this happens she'd be impeached or forced to resign. 

So it will never happen. 

why would the campaign be over?

as a hypothetical: she gets called in, and gives answers along the lines of "I don't remember" or "I can't recall" and offers no [potentially] damning testimony. the FBI recommends an indictment, and Lynch refuses. her campaign then just chugs along, with cries from the Right that "she lied" and derision from the Left about "Vast Right Wing Conspiracies" that never come to fruition. correct?

 

[timschochet]

why would the campaign be over?

as a hypothetical: she gets called in, and gives answers along the lines of "I don't remember" or "I can't recall" and offers no [potentially] damning testimony. the FBI recommends an indictment, and Lynch refuses. her campaign then just chugs along, with cries from the Right that "she lied" and derision from the Left about "Vast Right Wing Conspiracies" that never come to fruition. correct?

She has already made her position clear on this issue. She won't try to hide anything from the FBI. 

 

[RCon]

I need to read more about the dangers of fracking. With regard to climate change, the vast majority of the world's brightest people believe it is a major threat tommankind's furure existence. jon's comment about "settled science" is absurd. 

Check your thread.  I put a fracking link in there while you were away.

Regarding settled science, I personally think the science is settled that the planet is warming.  Exactly how fast, and exactly what percentage of the warming should be attributed to what factors is still open, in my book, but it's definitely warming.  What to do about it is still an open question, although I'm leaning towards more solar.

 

[RCon]

She has already made her position clear on this issue. She won't try to hide anything from the FBI. 

Well, if she said that, then we're good.  She'd never lie.

 

[Guest]

She has already made her position clear on this issue. She won't try to hide anything from the FBI. 

Still not seeing it?  Newest lie revealed to today is that the 30k emails deleted were not in fact reviewed by her "legal team," but by a staffer who holds a law degree.  (They're setting her up for a fall by revealing this).  Why?  Because the FBI has those emails (they were in the Platter River backup despite Hillary's office gradually asking them to reduce the backup in hopes they'd write over it.  They didn't and exchanged internal emails saying that it looked like Hillary Co. was in fact trying to hide something -- so they preserved the data) and guess what -- there's stuff in there that wasn't "personal," and didn't pertain to Yoga.  At minimum there was plenty of Clinton Foundation business in there.  Things are starting to look grimmer with each new revelation.  Can't imagine at this point that FBI doesn't take action, and there's very likely no one responsible below Hillary.  

Pagliano broke laws when working for Hillary and not divulging to State, where he was also employed.  Sources close (FBI most likely) said yesterday that "rats are jumping off the ship."  I think things are all over for your hero, Tim.  Just a matter of formalities while the curtain is closed.

And damn everyone whom pretended she wasn't corrupt, and wasn't a liar.   

 

[jon_mx]

I need to read more about the dangers of fracking. With regard to climate change, the vast majority of the world's brightest people believe it is a major threat tommankind's furure existence. jon's comment about "settled science" is absurd. 

As usual you have it assbackwards.  The dangers of fracking at least how it relates to affecting clean water is easily established.  You are also very incorrect in what the vast majority of scientist believe about global warming.  The vast majority believe that a link to some undefined extent has been proven between man-made greenhouse gases and raising temps.  There is absolutely no consensus on the level of threat it poises to mankind's existence. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Still not seeing it?  Newest lie revealed to today is that the 30k emails deleted were not in fact reviewed by her "legal team," but by a staffer who holds a law degree.  (They're setting her up for a fall by revealing this).  Why?  Because the FBI has those emails (they were in the Platter River backup despite Hillary's office gradually asking them to reduce the backup in hopes they'd write over it.  They didn't and exchanged internal emails saying that it looked like Hillary Co. was in fact trying to hide something -- so they preserved the data) and guess what -- there's stuff in there that wasn't "personal," and didn't pertain to Yoga.  At minimum there was plenty of Clinton Foundation business in there.  Things are starting to look grimmer with each new revelation.  Can't imagine at this point that FBI doesn't take action, and there's very likely no one responsible below Hillary.  

Pagliano broke laws when working for Hillary and not divulging to State, where he was also employed.  Sources close (FBI most likely) said yesterday that "rats are jumping off the ship."  I think things are all over for your hero, Tim.  Just a matter of formalities while the curtain is closed.

And damn everyone whom pretended she wasn't corrupt, and wasn't a liar.   

Hey, did anyone ever find out if Heather Samuelson had the security clearance to view the classified information in those documents?