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No. Were you expecting that? I suppose we should reject the proposal then. 
Actually that would not be a bad idea unless the projects are thoroughly thought thru...a healthy infra-structure sounds great and who isn't for it...but too often these projects become Union slush-funds where the four most important jobs are "don't kill the job"...and yes I am jaded...having seen the Big Dig and seeing the complete and utter mismanagement  of the MBTA I don't want to see more public money go down the drain for half-### projects...put cost controls and deadline accountability to these projects and I am all for it...if not than it's nothing more than throwing a bone to a Democratic constituency... 

 
Actually that would not be a bad idea unless the projects are thoroughly thought thru...a healthy infra-structure sounds great and who isn't for it...but too often these projects become Union slush-funds where the four most important jobs are "don't kill the job"...and yes I am jaded...having seen the Big Dig and seeing the complete and utter mismanagement  of the MBTA I don't want to see more public money go down the drain for half-### projects...put cost controls and deadline accountability to these projects and I am all for it...if not than it's nothing more than throwing a bone to a Democratic constituency... 
Look, I agree that any time the federal government is involved there's going to be a lot of waste, and inefficiency, and pork. No question that the private sector is almost always more efficient. 

But in the case of the nation's infrastructure, I see no private sector alternative. If we're going to solve this, then the government HAS to get involved. So let the proposal go to Congress and Republicans can offer amendments to make it more accountable. But simply rejecting the idea out of hand because of your stated concerns makes no sense to me. 

 
Look, I agree that any time the federal government is involved there's going to be a lot of waste, and inefficiency, and pork. No question that the private sector is almost always more efficient. 

But in the case of the nation's infrastructure, I see no private sector alternative. If we're going to solve this, then the government HAS to get involved. So let the proposal go to Congress and Republicans can offer amendments to make it more accountable. But simply rejecting the idea out of hand because of your stated concerns makes no sense to me. 
I didn't reject it or ask that it be private sector...right now I think many of these projects are wildly mismanaged...prove that it can be run correctly within the original budget that is proposed than I think most people will be onboard...

 
Actually that would not be a bad idea unless the projects are thoroughly thought thru...a healthy infra-structure sounds great and who isn't for it...but too often these projects become Union slush-funds where the four most important jobs are "don't kill the job"...and yes I am jaded...having seen the Big Dig and seeing the complete and utter mismanagement  of the MBTA I don't want to see more public money go down the drain for half-### projects...put cost controls and deadline accountability to these projects and I am all for it...if not than it's nothing more than throwing a bone to a Democratic constituency... 
Look, I agree that any time the federal government is involved there's going to be a lot of waste, and inefficiency, and pork. No question that the private sector is almost always more efficient. 

But in the case of the nation's infrastructure, I see no private sector alternative. If we're going to solve this, then the government HAS to get involved. So let the proposal go to Congress and Republicans can offer amendments to make it more accountable. But simply rejecting the idea out of hand because of your stated concerns makes no sense to me. 
:lmao:   Calm down Tim...he just asked if she mentioned any sort of accountability measures were in play with her plans.  It's a question worthy of discussion.  Our government has laid in the "well it's the government, so I expect it to be inefficient" bed for way to long.  The sad thing is, the electorate has made that bed for them and seem to be happy to remake it for them over and over.

 
:lmao:   Calm down Tim...he just asked if she mentioned any sort of accountability measures were in play with her plans.  It's a question worthy of discussion.  Our government has laid in the "well it's the government, so I expect it to be inefficient" bed for way to long.  The sad thing is, the electorate has made that bed for them and seem to be happy to remake it for them over and over.
No he's also saying that unless and until I can demonstrate that the plan won't be inefficient, he's opposed to it. 

That's the answer that I've heard from conservatives for years whenever it comes to public spending, and it seems to me that it's a convenient excuse to reject every proposal. 

 
No he's also saying that unless and until I can demonstrate that the plan won't be inefficient, he's opposed to it. 

That's the answer that I've heard from conservatives for years whenever it comes to public spending, and it seems to me that it's a convenient excuse to reject every proposal. 
Are you serious...you think asking to show a plan won't be inefficient is asking too much...there you have it folks...reason #1 on how your money gets pissed away...just shut-up, don't ask questions and we'll do as we please...and if a few of our constituents get greased and the project is a boondoogle the good news is we had great intentions...

 
Are you serious...you think asking to show a plan won't be inefficient is asking too much...there you have it folks...reason #1 on how your money gets pissed away...just shut-up, don't ask questions and we'll do as we please...and if a few of our constituents get greased and the project is a boondoogle the good news is we had great intentions...
I just don't want to dismiss it out of hand because of this. As I wrote, once Hillary gets elected, she makes the proposal, and then Republicans (and fiscally responsible Democrats) can get together and work on making it accountable and less of a boondoggle. And your concerns will be satisfied. 

But if Republicans argue, "We're against it from the start because we know it will be a boondoggle" then nothing will get done. And this is an urgent problem which needs to be solved. 

 
Look, I agree that any time the federal government is involved there's going to be a lot of waste, and inefficiency, and pork. No question that the private sector is almost always more efficient. 

But in the case of the nation's infrastructure, I see no private sector alternative. If we're going to solve this, then the government HAS to get involved. So let the proposal go to Congress and Republicans can offer amendments to make it more accountable. But simply rejecting the idea out of hand because of your stated concerns makes no sense to me. 
Don't they outsource the projects to private contractors? So the waste, inefficiency and pork is specifically going to be in the management of said outsourced task?

Doesn't it strike you as odd that private companies can manage projects like this more efficiently? It basically boils down to effective negotiation and holding companies accountable to the agreed project plan. Why is it acceptable that there is inefficiency, and waste, let alone pork in such a situation?

 
Don't they outsource the projects to private contractors? So the waste, inefficiency and pork is specifically going to be in the management of said outsourced task?

Doesn't it strike you as odd that private companies can manage projects like this more efficiently? It basically boils down to effective negotiation and holding companies accountable to the agreed project plan. Why is it acceptable that there is inefficiency, and waste, let alone pork in such a situation?
I don't know the answer. And I don't find it acceptable. I'm in favor of any suggestion or idea to minimize the waste. 

But what I don't want is the waste to be used as an excuse to shelve the whole idea. We can't afford that. 

 
I don't know the answer. And I don't find it acceptable. I'm in favor of any suggestion or idea to minimize the waste. 

But what I don't want is the waste to be used as an excuse to shelve the whole idea. We can't afford that. 
How about outsourcing the management of these projects too

 
And I want to point out that conservatives never make these sorts of objections when it comes to military spending. But- if you want to spend government money on infrastructure repair, or education, or health care- any "liberal" issue- suddenly waste and efficiency becomes a huge issue. 

 
And I want to point out that conservatives never make these sorts of objections when it comes to military spending. But- if you want to spend government money on infrastructure repair, or education, or health care- any "liberal" issue- suddenly waste and efficiency becomes a huge issue. 
So...your defense consists of "Well they do it too!! "? 

That sounds rather childish. 

 
So...your defense consists of "Well they do it too!! "? 

That sounds rather childish. 
HE STARTED IT!

No, my defense is that there are certain things, like military, like infrastructure, like education- that the government needs to be involved in. And we can't shirk that responsibility because we are concerned about waste. We should try to solve the waste as best we can, but we should never not do these things because of that issue. 

 
How we looking if she wraps things up tonight?

Why are we not more worried about California?  That's a lot of delegates with a lot of young people and college kids who I would think would love to hear the typical Bernie message?

 
Because they'll never give up that much control. 

Come on, I don't need to tell you this. 
And why do they want that control?

(Do I really have to drag the words out of you? We don't have to call it corruption, we can call it influence peddling if you like)

 
And why do they want that control?

(Do I really have to drag the words out of you? We don't have to call it corruption, we can call it influence peddling if you like)
I don't care what you call it. It's the only system we've ever had. For all it's flaws, it's better than the rest. And I don't think you can "fix" it. 

 
HE STARTED IT!

No, my defense is that there are certain things, like military, like infrastructure, like education- that the government needs to be involved in. And we can't shirk that responsibility because we are concerned about waste. We should try to solve the waste as best we can, but we should never not do these things because of that issue. 
Hey, cut it out!

 
How we looking if she wraps things up tonight?

Why are we not more worried about California?  That's a lot of delegates with a lot of young people and college kids who I would think would love to hear the typical Bernie message?
I think Bernie narrowly wins California.  Not enough, though.

 
Bernie appears finished after tonight.  Of course he'll continue on.   I just hope he does so in a manner that adds to his worthy causes without the damaging rhetoric.  

 
I love the CNN talking heads concerned about Bernie tarnishing Clinton going forward. Yeah he should just drop out and stop pointing out the bad things about her 

 
So Hillary Clinton effectively won the nomination tonight. And on the other side, it looks to be Trump after all. 

Most experts think this will be a blowout. Sometimes I tend to agree, other times I think it's going to be a tough race. Who knows? All I know is, this is going to be the most fascinating general election of my lifetime. 

 
I love the CNN talking heads concerned about Bernie tarnishing Clinton going forward. Yeah he should just drop out and stop pointing out the bad things about her 
They are correct. Since he has now no shot of winning, he damages his cause by continuing to attack her. He shouldn't drop out, but he should refrain from the mudslinging. 

 
They are correct. Since he has now no shot of winning, he damages his cause by continuing to attack her. He shouldn't drop out, but he should refrain from the mudslinging. 
He won't be slinging any mud.  He hasn't the entire campaign, so no reason to expect he would start now.

He will, however, continue to validly point out her weaknesses and points of distinction.

 
He won't be slinging any mud.  He hasn't the entire campaign, so no reason to expect he would start now.

He will, however, continue to validly point out her weaknesses and points of distinction.
I don't think he should criticize her at all at this point, frankly. I hope he refrains from that. 

 
I don't think he should criticize her at all at this point, frankly. I hope he refrains from that. 
Obviously, I disagree. She needs the practice.  Trump is going to unleash, and she still can't take Bernie's needling?  She needs more practice.

 
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