Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (11 Viewers)

[dparker713]

FWIW....I don't think this is a big deal for the two to meet.  The cover up is worse than the crime IMO.  I don't have a problem with Lynch talking to Bill.  What's comical is they just "happen" to run into each other in a private hanger.  That's the first thing.  The second is, there is NO WAY Bill didn't bring it up....none.  Did Lynch shut him down?  I'd like to think so

End the end, this is just another example of poor judgment and lack of character by the Clintons.  It doesn't matter if they discussed Hillary or not.  It completely lacks in self awareness on Bill's part.  Not much more to it than that.

What's comical to me is the idea that they'd be this incompetent at meeting in secret.  It was a private meeting - like most meetings are.  It was not a secret meeting.  And what would even be the point of the meeting now?  What information would have been so important to require a face to face for their conspiracy, but not important enough for them to take precautions so that people wouldn't find out?  And in the presence of her husband as well, why add that extra layer of risk?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Absolutely, she's compromised herself. It's a shame. She should resign. I don't usually say stuff like that but she should. That presser today was a disaster too considering the DOJ immediately walked it back.

Someone needs to take a deep breath.

I didn't say it lightly, Lynch - maybe through Bill Clinton's own fault admittedly - has tainted the single most politically important investigation the FBI will conduct this year, and it may be the most politically significant decision the DOJ has had to make since Watergate and before you scoff at that give me a more serious one, or really how about 5 since 1974. I'm speaking politically. All they had to do was be completely above board. When people have compromised themselves like this they need to resign. Yes, I know it won't happen.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The interview is regarding the emails.  So either they didn't discuss the emails or they did.  

And Bill doesn't need to establish good will - it's long standing.

Well he obviously did knowing his wife was going to be interviewed in the next few days.

Or he wanted to ping Lynch to see how she reacted to get a sense of how serious it is.

 

[dparker713]

I didn't say it lightly, Lynch - maybe through Bill Clinton's own fault admittedly - has tainted the single most politically important investigation the FBI will conduct this year, and it may be the most politically significant decision the DOJ has had to make since Watergate and before you scoff at that give me a more serious one, or really how about 5 since 1974. I'm speaking politically. All they had to do was be completely above board. When people have comrpormised themselves like this they need to resign. Yes, I know it won't happen.

Even if she talks to him about the emails, how is she compromised?  Even if this were a pending case before a court, she's in the position of a prosecutor.  Prosecutors talk to the accused and their families all the time.  She's not in charge of the investigation and we've no idea the extent of her briefings on the case.  You've got no actual evidence of impropriety and you're making every inference even tenuously plausible against Lynch.  

And it's only politically important because of the timing.  Had this been finished in a timely manner, Hillary would have either been indicted or cleared and then the primary voters would have adjusted.  BTW, forget about a conviction if she's indicted and she has to give up the nomination or its taken from her.  Despite what you see on this board, there are plenty of people out there that are firmly in her camp.

 

[dparker713]

Well he obviously did knowing his wife was going to be interviewed in the next few days.

Or he wanted to ping Lynch to see how she reacted to get a sense of how serious it is.

Or he wanted to visit a couple of friends.  You've gone completely off the deep end here.  

 

[Guest]

If she's not lying, then what the hell are you talking about? She says they talked about grandchildren. What "stink" is there, unless she is lying? Please explain. 

She is lying.  She told her detail no phones, no cameras.  She agreed to meet him and talk and didn't think it would go public.  He was there to ask or demand something very specific.  And yes, she is lying about what was and was not discussed.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Or he wanted to visit a couple of friends.  You've gone completely off the deep end here.  

That sounds more reasonable to you?

Guy shows up in advance of his wife's FBI interview. Wanted to talk baby pics and golf. Really?

Maybe he wanted to say 'we can't wait to have you in our administration'. No mention of emails or any other investigation needed.

Maybe he just "Thank you" already knowing the result is emailed in.

Neither of those things would have required Lynch's "conversation" and they're so "nefarious" sounding but they're a lot closer to the shallow side of the pool than where you are.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And it's only politically important because of the timing.

THANK YOU.

Yes, it's politically important and there should be no politics in it. You want to get back to saying the DOJ can't help being political, great, then we're in the same place anyway now.

 

[Guest]

I will be in a panicked mood if she is charged.  I would hope at that point Clinton withdraws and the nomination goes to someone with a better shot at beating Trump.  However, if she doesn't, I'd still vote for her, provided she doesn't pick a Palin-like VP.

I will gladly vote for whomever the party puts up other than her.  Hell, I'll take their mascot.  They don't even need to saddle it.  

 

[cobalt_27]

Or he wanted to visit a couple of friends.  You've gone completely off the deep end here.  

It seems more off the deep end to believe Bill was just wanting to catch up with an old friend.  In the context, that takes some serious acrobatics.

 

[Guest]

That sounds more reasonable to you?

Guy shows up in advance of his wife's FBI interview. Wanted to talk baby pics and golf. Really?

Maybe he wanted to say 'we can't wait to have you in our administration'. No mention of emails or any other investigation needed.

Maybe he just "Thank you" already knowing the result is emailed in.

Neither of those things would have required Lynch's "conversation" and they're so "nefarious" sounding but they're a lot closer to the shallow side of the pool than where you are.

You have to realize -- Hillary is (or was!!!) about to walk into an interview and has no idea the extent of what they know or are seeking, and by extension how much risk to take.  A wise lawyer would absolutely tell her to take the 5th at this point, and it's going to look horrible if every answer is "I don't recall."  Things change further if the invetigation is in fact scoped on public corruption, or if the FBI has retrieved the emails she deleted and is targeting specific lines of questioning. Lynch has all of these answers and could steer the Clintons toward or away from a strategy.

This is why the meeting was a giant breech of ethics.  Any inside dope, even a head nod as to whether they have a smoking gun or don't is of major value to Hillary when deciding how she walks the wire.  

FBI must be furious!

And why a private meeting at an airport?  No records, plausible deniability (if in the worst case they were caught...whoops!)

 

[dparker713]

THANK YOU.

Yes, it's politically important and there should be no politics in it. You want to get back to saying the DOJ can't help being political, great, then we're in the same place anyway now.

No politics in it?  What are you 12?  That's a fantasy land that's never existed and never will exist.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

No politics in it?  What are you 12?  That's a fantasy land that's never existed and never will exist.

You're saying Lynch's decision to not indict will be political?

Great \[reaches hand out to shake on it]/

 

[dparker713]

That sounds more reasonable to you?

Guy shows up in advance of his wife's FBI interview. Wanted to talk baby pics and golf. Really?

Maybe he wanted to say 'we can't wait to have you in our administration'. No mention of emails or any other investigation needed.

Maybe he just "Thank you" already knowing the result is emailed in.

Neither of those things would have required Lynch's "conversation" and they're so "nefarious" sounding but they're a lot closer to the shallow side of the pool than where you are.

Again, what information was so critical for their conspiracy that it needed to be delivered in a face to face, with her husband also present, yet not important enough for them to take more precautions or have a ready made excuse?  Cause the examples you've given make no sense.  They're banalities and would hardly need to be delivered face to face.

Its like you don't realize that these people are humans with private lives.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Again, what information was so critical for their conspiracy that it needed to be delivered in a face to face, with her husband also present, yet not important enough for them to take more precautions or have a ready made excuse?  Cause the examples you've given make no sense.  They're banalities and would hardly need to be delivered face to face.

Its like you don't realize that these people are humans with private lives.  

You can leave the word "conspiracy" out of this.

You said it was politics, it's politics and it's political. Right?

 

[dparker713]

You have to realize -- Hillary is (or was!!!) about to walk into an interview and has no idea the extent of what they know or are seeking, and by extension how much risk to take.  A wise lawyer would absolutely tell her to take the 5th at this point, and it's going to look horrible if every answer is "I don't recall."  Things change further if the invetigation is in fact scoped on public corruption, or if the FBI has retrieved the emails she deleted and is targeting specific lines of questioning. Lynch has all of these answers and could steer the Clintons toward or away from a strategy.

This is why the meeting was a giant breech of ethics.  Any inside dope, even a head nod as to whether they have a smoking gun or don't is of major value to Hillary when deciding how she walks the wire.  

FBI must be furious!

And why a private meeting at an airport?  No records, plausible deniability (if in the worst case they were caught...whoops!)

I doubt it.  She'd be getting progress reports, not micro managing their investigation.

 

[dparker713]

You're saying Lynch's decision to not indict will be political?

Great \[reaches hand out to shake on it]/

No, I'm saying that will be a factor in every part of this investigation.  People don't leave their biases entirely at the door in any endeavor.  To think that any single person involved in this entire affair is entirely untouched by their opinions and politics is beyond naive.

 

[dparker713]

You can leave the word "conspiracy" out of this.

You said it was politics, it's politics and it's political. Right?

Again, what information was so critical they needed to meet face to face with a third party present yet not important enough for them to take real precautions?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Again, what information was so critical they needed to meet face to face with a third party present yet not important enough for them to take real precautions?

Met in a private hangar. +:

"The FBI there on the tarmac instructing everybody around ‘no photos, no pictures, no cell phones."

- ABC Phoenix reporter.

 

[Guest]

I doubt it.  She'd be getting progress reports, not micro managing their investigation.

She knows the basic scope, and certainly the broad strokes about what they do and do not have on her.  That's gold when you're scared to #### about whether you're either going to be blindsided by something that (let's face it) you did, are walking into a perjury trap -- or you have to seriously consider taking the 5th as a presumptive nominee.  Scary times -- calling for desperate measures.

 

[dparker713]

Met in a private hangar. +:

- ABC Phoenix reporter.

So, they used the FBI as security for her to brief him on an FBI investigation he's not supposed to know about?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

No, I'm saying that will be a factor in every part of this investigation.  People don't leave their biases entirely at the door in any endeavor.  To think that any single person involved in this entire affair is entirely untouched by their opinions and politics is beyond naive.

Politics is not political opinions. Don't straddle the fence. This is about politics. 2-3 posts up you told me I was naive for thinking politics should be out of the AG decision.

 

[dparker713]

She knows the basic scope, and certainly the broad strokes about what they do and do not have on her.  That's gold when you're scared to #### about whether you're either going to be blindsided by something that (let's face it) you did, are walking into a perjury trap -- or you have to seriously consider taking the 5th as a presumptive nominee.  Scary times -- calling for desperate measures.

You really have no idea what lawyers do, do you?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

What's unfortunate about this is that it appears that Loretta Lynch's reputation is going to be tarnished, not by anything she did wrong, not by any lies she told, but because the Clinton haters can't handle the fact that she's not going to be indicted and so feel the need to accuse everyone in sight of impropriety. It's sad and pathetic. 

I'm not that influential, sorry. 

First, it's not a "fact" that Clinton's not going to be indicted. Second, you're simply wrong - I don't feel the need to accuse anyone of anything.

She had a secret meeting with Bill, got busted, and then claimed it was about golf and grandchildren. Not buying that BS - simple as that - relax. It's not any more sad or pathetic than you proudly claiming to be naive. To be honest, I don't event think it's a very good lie. Hillary's probably shaking her head "Some people are just not cut out for secrecy."

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So, they used the FBI as security for her to brief him on an FBI investigation he's not supposed to know about?

You brought up precautions, on the premise that no precautions meant no intent - obviously they took precautions so that conclusion does not hold.

The premise here is that Bill Clinton was aware of not only the investigation but the forthcoming interview, which had to have been scheduled some time before. And they took precautions to keep the meeting secret.

What they discussed or how whatever was discussed, we don't know.

The security was to keep the public from knowing. I guess they couldn't help the reporter being tipped off but clearly the standing order was to prevent dissemination of visual documentation of the event. It's not really clear how the reporter got there aside from again his having been tipped off by someone there. He has not revealed his source.

 

[dparker713]

Politics is not political opinions. Don't straddle the fence. This is about politics. 2-3 posts up you told me I was naive for thinking politics should be out of the AG decision.

It's a factor and always will be a factor. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's a factor and always will be a factor. 

Done. Why argue the point then. I was willing to accept that Lynch would handle this appropriately. Now I think it's politics. You think it's politics. We think it's politics.

 

[dparker713]

Done. Why argue the point then. I was willing to accept that Lynch would handle this appropriately. Now I think it's politics. You think it's politics. We think it's politics.

No, I think it's a factor. You seem to think that people can't do their jobs despite biases. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

No, I think it's a factor. You seem to think that people can't do their jobs despite biases. 

I did think so in this instance.

- eta - btw I see you still don't get it, I'm not saying Lynch has biases that will affect this case. Politics is not political opinions. Do you not understand this?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

They're banalities and would hardly need to be delivered face to face.

 

[Smack Tripper]

#### this. I am so sick to death of this ####.

Hey Saints. Loretta Lynch is a career public service with a long record of personal integrity. Over the past few days she has stated several times that she did not discuss the Hillary email investigation with Bill Clinton. Is she lying? Yes or no? If you think she's lying just come out and say it. 

Yes for the love of God are you batty?  Of course they did. 

This is oj jury levels of denial

 

[IvanKaramazov]

See, you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to be able to impugn Bill Clinton without impugning Loretta Lynch. That won't fly. Either there was no impropriety, no bad behavior here, or she is a liar. 

I have no idea what happened and neither do you, but you are laughably naive if you think that person of authority -- a former president and soon-to-be president in residence, say -- can't say something without really saying anything.  I've done this, had it done it me, and seen it done to others on many occasions, and I'm a scrub.  

 

[timschochet]

Saints, this one is for you. Old times! 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/01/the_clinton-lynch_conversation_--_all_innuendo_no_facts_131082.html

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints, this one is for you. Old times! 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/01/the_clinton-lynch_conversation_--_all_innuendo_no_facts_131082.html

"Lanny, it sounds like it will be a terrific article."

 

[bueno]

Saints, this one is for you. Old times! 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/01/the_clinton-lynch_conversation_--_all_innuendo_no_facts_131082.html

Why can't you even conceive the fact that they met the way they did so there would be no facts?

 

[Guest]

"Lanny, it sounds like it will be a terrific article."

OMG -- that's hysterical.  A case study in why Hillary can't be trusted and how she's corrupted Washington and the media.  And Tim posted it straight faced!!!

 

[cobalt_27]

Yes for the love of God are you batty?  Of course they did. 

This is oj jury levels of denial

Tim is not stable.  I feel for the dude.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Tim is not stable.  I feel for the dude.

When everyone knows a well is poisoned, Tim will be the one to lower the pail to get another long drink.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Abedin's deposition was pretty smooth sailing and had a few interesting facts come out.

One was this: she granted the admission that she and Hillary emailed about official work solely on the personal server, thus it would not have been captured within the State system or in Hillary's email delivery because she only treated what she sent to State as "official".

This is important because I think it's this same case where Hillary filed a signed affidavit swearing that she had turned over all her official records. If what Abedoin says is accepted as fact, then Hillary has fallen into a perjury trap.

Ok I'm finally heading into the 4th, have a great long weekend y'all. Hopefully if all goes well we're  while Hillary is getting reamed by the men in black. - SID

 

[timschochet]

Tim is not stable.  I feel for the dude.

Well thanks cobalt. I feel for you too! 

 

[jon_mx]

Abedin's deposition was pretty smooth sailing and had a few interesting facts come out.

One was this: she granted the admission that she and Hillary emailed about official work solely on the personal server, thus it would not have been captured within the State system or in Hillary's email delivery because she only treated what she sent to State as "official".

This is important because I think it's this same case where Hillary filed a signed affidavit swearing that she had turned over all her official records. If what Abedoin says is accepted as fact, then Hillary has fallen into a perjury trap.

Ok I'm finally heading into the 4th, have a great long weekend y'all. Hopefully if all goes well we're  while Hillary is getting reamed by the men in black. - SID

Perjury....obstruction of justice.....insider trading...mishandling classified data.....so many choices.   No wonder it has taken a long time to complete the investigation.

 

[jon_mx]

Well thanks cobalt. I feel for you too! 

Thanks for sharing, but take it to a private room.  

 

[dparker713]

Abedin's deposition was pretty smooth sailing and had a few interesting facts come out.

One was this: she granted the admission that she and Hillary emailed about official work solely on the personal server, thus it would not have been captured within the State system or in Hillary's email delivery because she only treated what she sent to State as "official".

This is important because I think it's this same case where Hillary filed a signed affidavit swearing that she had turned over all her official records. If what Abedoin says is accepted as fact, then Hillary has fallen into a perjury trap.

Ok I'm finally heading into the 4th, have a great long weekend y'all. Hopefully if all goes well we're  while Hillary is getting reamed by the men in black. - SID

Can't imagine anyone trying to get a perjury conviction on the passages you cited. It's unwinnable. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Damn I missed Tim lose his mind over Lynch today.  

 

[Boston]

Watergate...part Deux...

 

[timschochet]

Damn I missed Tim lose his mind over Lynch today.  

I missed it too. 

 

[The Commish]

FWIW....I don't think this is a big deal for the two to meet.  The cover up is worse than the crime IMO.  I don't have a problem with Lynch talking to Bill.  What's comical is they just "happen" to run into each other in a private hanger.  That's the first thing.  The second is, there is NO WAY Bill didn't bring it up....none.  Did Lynch shut him down?  I'd like to think so

End the end, this is just another example of poor judgment and lack of character by the Clintons.  It doesn't matter if they discussed Hillary or not.  It completely lacks in self awareness on Bill's part.  Not much more to it than that.

What's comical to me is the idea that they'd be this incompetent at meeting in secret.  It was a private meeting - like most meetings are.  It was not a secret meeting.  And what would even be the point of the meeting now?  What information would have been so important to require a face to face for their conspiracy, but not important enough for them to take precautions so that people wouldn't find out?  And in the presence of her husband as well, why add that extra layer of risk?

It almost feels like "hide in plain sight" to me.  "No one would ever believe I was THAT stupid!!!!!"

 

[bueno]

I missed it too. 

Don't worry Tim, you have the whole weekend to find your mind.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

:X

Where do I start?

How can anyone in their right mind not see a conflict of interest with the Attorney General meeting with Bill Clinton on the tarmac at an airport? It's so insulting to Bernie Sanders and all the folks who voted for him. There is no end to their corruptness. It's Frank and Claire without a good looking 1st lady. 

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

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