Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

[Parrothead]

 

Some truth is now clear.  It is known she set up a system to obscure open records, and probably should have security clearances pulled. 

Given who she is up against, I will vote for her.  I would vote, however, with good reason for any viable alternative.  Any.  

But given I don't have a choice of a viable candidate...  Congrats on installation of a candidate whose judgment was just indicted, and who would have been fired from her SoS job if she still held it.

But what choice do I have?  What choice do any of us?

Gary Johnson

 

[dparker713]

Ironically what Comey said was true: if Clinton were still in government, they could do something administratively - she would lose her security clearance, she could be suspended, fired, banned from future federal work, and fined. All these things would be awaiting someone in Hillary's position in federal government.

You can't ban someone from holding an elected office.  I'm not even sure you could ban someone being appointed.  

 

[Sand]

Do you believe him that in similar situations, usually charges are not brought? 

In all fairness this situation is unique and there isn't anything close to analogous to go off of.  This is the one statement Comey made that was patently wrong.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Ironically what Comey said was true: if Clinton were still in government, they could do something administratively - she would lose her security clearance, she could be suspended, fired, banned from future federal work, and fined. All these things would be awaiting someone in Hillary's position in federal government.

So they're pursuing wide-ranging discipline of the career folks at State who sent and received this stuff?

 

[Zegras11]

 

Some truth is now clear.  It is known she set up a system to obscure open records, and probably should have security clearances pulled. 

Given who she is up against, I will vote for her.  I would vote, however, with good reason for any viable alternative.  Any.  

But given I don't have a choice of a viable candidate...  Congrats on installation of a candidate whose judgment was just indicted, and who would have been fired from her SoS job if she still held it.

But what choice do I have?  What choice do any of us?

Gary Johnson

https://johnsonweld.com/issues/

 

[Mister CIA]

i bet the GOP wishes low energy Jeb! Was running right about now. 

Or even that weird religious Doctor... 

Anyone but trump this would be an issue that's hard to overcome 

Massive failure by the republicans - Could have controlled Congress and the White House, and they would have been sitting in the catbird seat to stack the Supreme Court.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Yeah Trump's Petreus/Hillary comparison is complete fail, very different scenarios. 

 

[timschochet]

In terms of politics alone, the timing couldn't be any better. Two weeks, perhaps less, of bad news. And then it's over. 

 

[whoknew]

In all fairness this situation is unique and there isn't anything close to analogous to go off of.  This is the one statement Comey made that was patently wrong.

Why do you say that? Surely similar type email breaches have happened, right?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Based on the context of the fbi director's statements, re: intent, I don't know how the creation and existence of her own email server doesn't immediately check that box. This wasn't interdepartmental procedural questions in terms of parsing intent.  

She is the sole architect of a flawed structure 

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Oh, here goes Trump

If that's the most mileage he gets from this, politically she'll move past this quickly.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So they're pursuing wide-ranging discipline of the career folks at State who sent and received this stuff?

I think you have a good point, however obviously the distinction here is Hillary is the one who created the server and she was responsible for it. I think as you move away from her the culpability is not there.

However obviously Pagliano did do his immunity agreement, some level criminal culpability is/was out there for others. That has not gone away. Pags is out of government now too and I assure you he will never work in it again.

 

[sho nuff]

If that's the most mileage he gets from this, politically she'll move past this quickly.

Even if he gets a few more miles out of it, he will say or do something stupid again to take the focus off of her (as he always does).

 

[dparker713]

You dont like them?

Well, they're entirely draconian, used mainly as fundraisers for municipalities, have accomplished nothing except destroying our civil liberties, and are entirely unnecessary as recklessly injuring another while operating a vehicle was already a crime.  But other than that they're just peachy.   

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

In terms of politics alone, the timing couldn't be any better. Two weeks, perhaps less, of bad news. And then it's over. 

Trump will do something fantastic / stupid to steal the headline. I give it 3 days.

 

[Brady Marino]

 

Some truth is now clear.  It is known she set up a system to obscure open records, and probably should have security clearances pulled. 

Given who she is up against, I will vote for her.  I would vote, however, with good reason for any viable alternative.  Any.  

But given I don't have a choice of a viable candidate...  Congrats on installation of a candidate whose judgment was just indicted, and who would have been fired from her SoS job if she still held it.

But what choice do I have?  What choice do any of us?

Gary freaking Johnson. Quit being a lemming and thinking there's only two choices.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Based on the context of the fbi director's statements, re: intent, I don't know how the creation and existence of her own email server doesn't immediately check that box. This wasn't interdepartmental procedural questions in terms of parsing intent.  

You think she set up an email server to willfully give away classified information? 

 

[Jayrok]

Personally, I'm not relieved by this; I'm disappointed. I honestly never thought this story was as big a deal as other people, like Saints did. Hillary said on several occasions that she never sent or received classified information. Obviously that was an untrue statement. Some of my respect for her has been lost. 

Many of those email conversations were classified simply for the subject matter being discussed.  She changed her position to say she didn't send or receive any information "marked" classified.  But that doesn't matter and it doesn't make a sentence any less classified.

When David Petraues wrote down the information in his journal to hand over to the woman, that information in the journal was not "marked" classified either.  So why did he face charges?  Because the information was classified whether it was marked as such or not.  And he willingly handed it over.  HRC could say the info was not "marked" classified.  

Her saying she didn't know because it was never "marked" doesn't float.  She didn't willingly hand it over to someone;  she was incompetent.  But she did willingly have many messages deleted/destroyed.  Incompetent then tried to cover up.  But, she is untouchable, so...  

 

[Mister CIA]

So they're pursuing wide-ranging discipline of the career folks at State who sent and received this stuff?

Probably not, due to the power of a presidential pardon. Let sleeping dogs lie, and all that.

 

[BowieMercs]

Trump will do something fantastic / stupid to steal the headline. I give it 3 days.

Wait till he announces Bill Cosby as his VP to show he's not racist

 

[Joe Summer]

Trump:

The system is rigged. General Petraeus got in trouble for far less. Very very unfair! As usual, bad judgment.

Petraeus voluntarily pled guilty to mishandling classified information (a misdemeanor) to avoid being charged with lying to the FBI (a felony).

Also, Petraeus took classified documents (containing the identities of undercover operatives) and gave them to a girl he was having an affair with. That's a tad more serious than what Hillary did.

 

[TripItUp]

Nothing new here, I've said all along there was nothing criminal here...just proves the point I keep making in this forum, Hillary makes poor decisions and is a terrible decision maker.

God save this country if the woman is elected.

P.S. thanks Hillary for voting for the Iraq war, subsequently destabilizing the region and creating ISIS...another brilliant Hillary move.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Trump:
 

Petraeus voluntarily pled guilty to mishandling classified information (a misdemeanor) to avoid being charged with lying to the FBI (a felony).

Also, Petraeus took classified documents (containing the identities of undercover operatives) and gave them to a girl he was having an affair with. That's a tad more serious than what Hillary did.

details shmetails

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

just proves the point I keep making in this forum, Hillary makes poor decisions and is a terrible decision maker.

Hey I agree, if you remove criminality out of it the Clintons do impulsive, stupid stuff repeatedly.

 

[Guest]

What sucks is that Comey says she lied about sending and receiving SAP data!!!!! She's been exposed, and it's been exposed she did this to avoid record keeping.  How is this not negligence?  Huh?!!  

But most people don't even understand nor will absorb what it has been confirmed she did.  

 

[squistion]

More importantly, where's @squistion?  His only form of communication is random tweets.

I slept in this morning and awoke to glorious news. 

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED!!!!!!!!!!! /TRUMP

This is not the NBA Don, maybe you can come up with some new and improved material.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I highly doubt after a long holiday weekend after they interviewed her they are going to announce there will not be an indictment. 

As usual, great call.  

 

[Guest]

I slept in this morning and awoke to glorious news. 

Listen to Comey's comments.  Scathing.  We know you don't care, and the scoreboard is all that matters - so congrats.  

 

[pantagrapher]

What time is Bernie's announcement that he's dropping out?

 

[whoknew]

Many of those email conversations were classified simply for the subject matter being discussed.  She changed her position to say she didn't send or receive any information "marked" classified.  But that doesn't matter and it doesn't make a sentence any less classified.

When David Petraues wrote down the information in his journal to hand over to the woman, that information in the journal was not "marked" classified either.  So why did he face charges?  Because the information was classified whether it was marked as such or not.  And he willingly handed it over.  HRC could say the info was not "marked" classified.  

Her saying she didn't know because it was never "marked" doesn't float.  She didn't willingly hand it over to someone;  she was incompetent.  But she did willingly have many messages deleted/destroyed.  Incompetent then tried to cover up.  But, she is untouchable, so...  

So you don't believe Comey when he said that there was no evidence she destroyed emails purposely to cover up? That it was just routine deleting emails?

 

[cstu]

Gary freaking Johnson. Quit being a lemming and thinking there's only two choices.

Quit being a lemming and thinking that if Trump and Clinton are terrible that he's a good choice.  His fiscal policies are a disaster.

 

[Guest]

CNN just pointed out...  If she still worked for Obama he would be forced to fire her.  Instead what's he doing?  Endorsing her for her promotion.  Bizarre.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

CNN just pointed out...  If she still worked for Obama he would be forced to fire her.  Instead what's he doing?  Endorsing her for her promotion.  Bizarre.

Yep.

 

[Jayrok]

So you don't believe Comey when he said that there was no evidence she destroyed emails purposely to cover up? That it was just routine deleting emails?

I believe he would say that but how can he say it can be proven that she did it to cover up?  I'm with him.  Unless there is proof of a coverup, they got nothing.  That doesn't mean she didn't have them deleted to cover something up.  Just that the FBI can't prove it.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What sucks is that Comey says she lied about sending and receiving SAP data!!!!! She's been exposed, and it's been exposed she did this to avoid record keeping.  How is this not negligence?  Huh?!!  

But most people don't even understand nor will absorb what it has been confirmed she did.  

TRUE.

- iF HILLARY HAD BEEN INDICTED THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FOUNDATION OF THE CASE.

 

[Smack Tripper]

You think she set up an email server to willfully give away classified information? 

I think it was a structure deliberately established circumvent secure channels.  This wasn't a blackberry Huma left in a taxi. 

 

[tonydead]

Comey said that, of the 30,000 or so Clinton emails provided by the State Department,110 messages in 52 email chains were determined to have contained classified information at the time they were sent or received.

Eight of those email chains contained information that was top secret at the time they were sent or received, the FBI reported; 36 of the email chains contained secret information at the time; and contained lesser confidential information.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

You think she set up an email server to willfully give away classified information? 

I think it was a structure deliberately established circumvent secure channels.  This wasn't a blackberry Huma left in a taxi. 

Then I guess you don't understand the definition of intent.   

 

[squistion]

CNN just pointed out...  If she still worked for Obama he would be forced to fire her.  Instead what's he doing?  Endorsing her for her promotion.  Bizarre.

No he wouldn't. Not a chance.

 

[Sand]

THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED!!!!!!!!!!! /TURMP

This is not the NBA Don, maybe you can come up with some new and improved material.

Clinton meets with Lynch.

News comes out the next day that Clinton wants Lynch to stay on.

Obama and Clinton schedule an appearance together 3 hours before announcement.

Yeah, nothing to see here.  I don't usually see conspiracy theories here, but the gears were turning on this days ago.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Here's the transcript of Comey's statement.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

As usual, great call.  

I have no problem that I was wrong but it isn't as usual as you claim. 

 

[NREC34]

Many of those email conversations were classified simply for the subject matter being discussed.  She changed her position to say she didn't send or receive any information "marked" classified.  But that doesn't matter and it doesn't make a sentence any less classified.

When David Petraues wrote down the information in his journal to hand over to the woman, that information in the journal was not "marked" classified either.  So why did he face charges?  Because the information was classified whether it was marked as such or not.  And he willingly handed it over.  HRC could say the info was not "marked" classified.  

Her saying she didn't know because it was never "marked" doesn't float.  She didn't willingly hand it over to someone;  she was incompetent.  But she did willingly have many messages deleted/destroyed.  Incompetent then tried to cover up.  But, she is untouchable, so...  

Didn't the man specifically say the opposite of your next to last sentence? Or did I watch something different than you?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Election 2016: The Kobayashi Maru

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

CNN just pointed out...  If she still worked for Obama he would be forced to fire her.  Instead what's he doing?  Endorsing her for her promotion.  Bizarre.

If she still worked for Obama, he may be forced to fire her if he could replace her with a qualified person of his choosing. But if the replacement had to be Trump, he'd find a way not to fire her.

 

[RBM]

Nobody should be surprised by this outcome. She has proven to be completely incompetent in almost every decision making role she's ever held, but, she also happens to be royalty in the party of corruption. She is next in line to the throne. Obama and Lynch were never going to let something like this take them off course. 

 

[whoknew]

Clinton meets with Lynch.

News comes out the next day that Clinton wants Lynch to stay on.

Obama and Clinton schedule an appearance together 3 hours before announcement.

Yeah, nothing to see here.  I don't usually see conspiracy theories here, but the gears were turning on this days ago.

If you believe this, then you obviously have to include the FBI in on the conspiracy. You're basically saying Comey is a liar who has been bought by the Clintons.

I'm fine with impeaching the FBI's credibility -  I'm just kind of surprised right wingers would be. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Summary:

- Hillary did send and receive emails that were classified at the time.

- Hillary's email server was negligently insecure.

- Hillary did not archive or provide public records as she was supposed to.

- Hillary's attorneys did delete and destroy emails they were supposed to turn over.

- Hillary was in contact with people who were hacked by other countries.

-Hillary sent classified emails unencrypted from within hostile countries .

- Hillary  sent TS/SCI emails from her account and "knew, or should have known" that unclassified email was "not appropriate" for that conversation or means of communication.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED!!!!!!!!!!! /TURMP

This is not the NBA Don, maybe you can come up with some new and improved material.

Clinton meets with Lynch.

News comes out the next day that Clinton wants Lynch to stay on.

Obama and Clinton schedule an appearance together 3 hours before announcement.

Yeah, nothing to see here.  I don't usually see conspiracy theories here, but the gears were turning on this days ago.

Well there you have it.