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squistion said:
Dude you kept predicting she would be indicted and went so far to say there was better than a 50/50 chance it would happen. But you wouldn't bet a penny on it, which spoke volumes of how certain you really were. And despite your months of ranting and raving about this, once again your dire predictions of doom for Hillary were completely wrong.
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We. Were. Right. About. All. Of. It.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
You do understand that millions and millions of folks do not agree with you but you can feel all superior for a minute or two if you like. 
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And I am going to continue to feel superior until election day in November, when I will feel even more superior after Hillary is elected.

#ImWithHer :pickle:

 
Mr. Ham said:
We. Were. Right. About. All. Of. It.
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Comey confirmed everything Republicans said about it.

It's especially galling when Comey basically spent 10 minutes carefully explaining how Hillary Clinton did, in fact, violate the law with respect to the storage and transfer of classified material, but that he wasn't recommending criminal charges anyway. I have no doubt in my mind after watching this press conference that he was specifically ordered not to recommend charges. However, I DO think that he decided to make life as difficult as possible for Clinton on the way out the door.
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This is as total of a denial of Clinton's position with respect to the email scandal that anyone could possibly muster. And it confirms that what Republicans have been saying about the server, and the carelessness with which Clinton set up this whole scheme, was exactly right. The final shiv at the end was when Comey suggested that Clinton basically ought to have her security clearance revoked. He was just prevented from actually charging her because of who his boss is.
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Mr. Ham said:
What was confirmed today was all of the worst of what those of us dubbed "Hillary haters" have said since at least January.  We were right, about all of it.  Sadly, it didn't matter.  
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Perhaps the most ridiculous thing you've ever posted.  And that's a high bar!  

 
This is good news for the American people. After a week of outrage by Hannity and company, there will be more focus on the real issues.

 
Mr. Ham said:
We. Were. Right. About. All. Of. It.
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I think you should clarify that you were right about what she did, but not about what would happen to her as a result.  Although anyone that's followed her career knew there wasn't a chance she was getting prosecuted.

 
Jayrok said:
My next to last statement was:  "But she did willingly have many messages deleted/destroyed."

Did she not have some of the emails deleted?  If she didn't then I apologize.  I didn't say anything about willingly having "classified" info deleted..  Like I said, she didn't know they were classified.... incompetent.   
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No you said she tried to cover it up I thought. 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Link to where he said security clearance should be revoked, or does that require reading between the lines? He actually said words, so I'll just read those for now.
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To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.
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Ministry of Pain said:
And what about the emails she and her camp destroyed that were to be turned over?
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All of her emails that weren't turned over were destroyed. Thousands of them were recovered by the FBI nonetheless. And they didn't seem to be different (i.e., worse) than the ones that were turned over. They didn't seem to have been singled out for devious reasons -- they just had metadata that caused them to be miscategorized.

 
Tom Servo said:
FYP
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Exactly, if you're calling for Hillary to be prosecuted under the negligence statutes and the DOJ never prosecutes under that statute, then you're just asking for political reasons.  The call all along was for her to be treated as they would other people under investigation - now that they're doing that people that were calling for such a standard are crying foul.  Of course their reaction was entirely predictable.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
All of her emails that weren't turned over were destroyed. Thousands of them were recovered by the FBI nonetheless. And they didn't seem to be different (i.e., worse) than the ones that were turned over. They didn't seem to have been singled out for devious reasons -- they just had metadata that caused them to be miscategorized.
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details shmetails

 
As you go to hire a new employee you find out they are facing charges of rape, in fact you find out it's not the first time they have had entanglements with the law although they were never convicted. The charges are not formerly pressed and the candidate now has a clean record but you also are aware that they have faced a legal type situation several times. 

Maybe sometimes it's easier to just pick someone else...unfortunately that doesn't seem to be possible or up for discussion. Was there anyone else who ran vs Clinton that maybe got a few votes along the way or won a couple states? If the South hadn't been so racist in their contempt for New York Jews, nowhere did Hilary win by a larger margin than across the racist South, the same party that will call the GOP and anyone that votes for them a racist but racism largely played a major role in the electing of Hilary Clinton. 

 
Rich Conway said:
timschochet said:
So question for the anti-Hillary crowd: you now know that Lynch is not going to interfere, she'll do whatever Comey recommends. 

So if Comey recommends no indictment, will you accept that Hillary is not a criminal? Or will you come to believe that Comey is himself corrupt? 
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We don't know that Lynch won't interfere.  We know that she said she won't interfere.  Those aren't the same thing.  We also don't know that one of her subordinates won't interfere, etc.

Assuming I was willing to take her statement at face value, my answer would be this.  If the FBI comes up with nothing, I will believe all of the following:

  • The primary purpose of Hillary's private server was to actively avoid FOIA and other public/government oversight.
  • She and her people did a piss poor job of securing the server.
  • She used extremely poor judgment on this issue.
  • She has repeatedly lied about what she and her people did and why.
  • There were multiple conflicts of interest between her (and her people's) role as SOS, with the Foundation, with her/Bill's speaking engagements, etc.
  • Ethically, her actions were wrong.  Period.
  • Whether any of the above was officially illegal or not, it should be disqualifying for public office.
None of those statements have anything to do with Trump, the GOP, Sanders, etc.  They are purely my view on Hillary herself, separate from this current election.
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From last week, still dead-on accurate.

 
timschochet said:
If you believe it is disqualifying, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think it was a wise decision, but it's not for me a momentous one. That would be true even if she were running against a less dangerous, more competent opponent. But the fact that she is running against Donald Trump makes this doubly so IMO. 
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Taken in a vacuum totally objectively, I can't see how it's not disqualifying. It's incredibly reckless of her and suggests she thinks she's above the law and can do stuff like this with impunity. It plays right in to every criticism she and Bill have been getting for decades, that they're corrupt liars who thumb their nose at the peons who would dare question their integrity. Even throughout this investigation she was dismissive in a way that was clearly disingenuous. She knew damn well this was a serious criminal investigation and not a "security review".

You want to say Trump would be far worse, you'll get no argument from me. In my opinion he's disqualified as well, for all the obvious reasons that need no rehashing here. So in this vast country with so much diverse knowledge and talent we have two disqualified candidates to lead us for the next 4 years and make decisions that will affect human lives. That is so sad and despicable that words fail to describe how far we've fallen. You should be outraged Tim. Anyone with a conscience in either party should be screaming from the rooftops that NEITHER of them should be their party's nominee. Not, "the other choice is worse". The state of being disqualified is a yes/no proposition. Both choices can be unacceptable and we shouldn't have to settle for one because it's (probably? hopefully?) less disastrous than the other. Isn't that an absurd and dangerous choice and don't we deserve far better?

 
Tom Servo said:
FYP
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Something is weird. You don't strike me as a super pro-Hillary poster, but your last few posts have been super pro-Hillary. First, channeling squistion, you suggest that Hillary's carelessness is no cause for concern. Then you suggest that the only reason to bring charges against Hillary would be for political opportunism. What gives?

 
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From @JustEric on twitter:

"Rich white people always get a pass from law enforcement." = Leftists

"Yay! Hillary won't be charged!" - same Leftists

 
Ministry of Pain said:
As you go to hire a new employee you find out they are facing charges of rape, in fact you find out it's not the first time they have had entanglements with the law although they were never convicted. The charges are not formerly pressed and the candidate now has a clean record but you also are aware that they have faced a legal type situation several times. 

Maybe sometimes it's easier to just pick someone else...unfortunately that doesn't seem to be possible or up for discussion. Was there anyone else who ran vs Clinton that maybe got a few votes along the way or won a couple states? If the South hadn't been so racist in their contempt for New York Jews, nowhere did Hilary win by a larger margin than across the racist South, the same party that will call the GOP and anyone that votes for them a racist but racism largely played a major role in the electing of Hilary Clinton. 
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Whom in the south are you calling racist?  Cause the south has the highest percentage of racial minorities in the country.  And those racial minorities are overwhelmingly democrats, who would have been voting in those primaries.  

 
McGarnicle said:
Taken in a vacuum totally objectively, I can't see how it's not disqualifying. It's incredibly reckless of her and suggests she thinks she's above the law and can do stuff like this with impunity. It plays right in to every criticism she and Bill have been getting for decades, that they're corrupt liars who thumb their nose at the peons who would dare question their integrity. Even throughout this investigation she was dismissive in a way that was clearly disingenuous. She knew damn well this was a serious criminal investigation and not a "security review".

You want to say Trump would be far worse, you'll get no argument from me. In my opinion he's disqualified as well, for all the obvious reasons that need no rehashing here. So in this vast country with so much diverse knowledge and talent we have two disqualified candidates to lead us for the next 4 years and make decisions that will affect human lives. That is so sad and despicable that words fail to describe how far we've fallen. You should be outraged Tim. Anyone with a conscience in either party should be screaming from the rooftops that NEITHER of them should be their party's nominee. Not, "the other choice is worse". The state of being disqualified is a yes/no proposition. Both choices can be unacceptable and we shouldn't have to settle for one because it's (probably? hopefully?) less disastrous than the other. Isn't that an absurd and dangerous choice and don't we deserve far better?
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Probably shouldn't have waited until after the primaries.  I think Bernie and his supporters are probably the only ones who can claim they did this.  

 
So Hillary has now been proven to be incredibly careless and ignorant, maybe not to an indictable level, but how does this make her any better than Trump?

Which is worse? Being ignorant about the protection of top secret, federally protected information, or shouting ignorant comments about race/ethnicity?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Does anyone think the Clinton have maybe learned a teachable lesson today of some sort???/ ..... Naaaahhhhh.
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Same lesson they have always learned...we are above the law and as long as we have a D next to our name there will be a sizable part of the population that will support and defend us regardless of whether we lie, treat women like dirt or make $ by gaming the system...

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Something is weird. You don't strike me as a super pro-Hillary poster, but your last few posts have been super pro-Hillary. First, channeling squistion, you suggest that Hillary's carelessness is no cause for concern. Then you suggest that the only reason to bring charges against Hillary would be for political opportunism. What gives?
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