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Simpler.  They put their own wants, desires and wallets first.   And they cover it up with a veil of righteousness.  
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Honestly, this nonsense is so utterly stupid.  Yes they're power-hungry, just like all politicians.  But Hillary has an irrefutable record of decades spent in service of children and others, both before her husband was a prominent politician and after.  And as I've pointed out a trillion times, if they wanted to line their own wallets they could have retired from public service decades ago, not bothered with the Clinton Foundation, and lived out the rest of their lives in extreme wealth and without the critical eyes of the public and the press simply by giving speeches, publishing books and/or joining law or lobbying firms as seven figure rainmakers.

What's more, every single time I've said this not one of you political hyenas has even bothered to provide any facts that contradict it.  You just move on to the next line of Clinton crap spoon-fed to you by the fine folks at Fox News.

 
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Honestly, this nonsense is so utterly stupid.  Yes they're power-hungry, just like all politicians.  But Hillary has an irrefutable record of decades spent in service of children and others, both before her husband was a prominent politician and after.  And as I've pointed out a trillion times, if they wanted to line their own wallets they could have retired from public service decades ago, not bothered with the Clinton Foundation, and lived out the rest of their lives in extreme wealth and without the critical eyes of the public and the press simply by giving speeches, publishing books and/or joining law or lobbying firms as seven figure rainmakers.

What's more, every single time I've said this not one of you political hyenas has even bothered to provide any facts that contradict it.  You just move on to the next line of Clinton crap spoon-fed to you by the fine folks at Fox News.
Has anybody mentioned she is just trying to make history at our expense...

 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-the-media-isnt-biased-against-hillary-clinton/


Commentary: No, the media isn't biased against Hillary Clinton


There’s an argument going around that the media has it out for Hillary Clinton. Over at The New York Times, Paul Krugman doesn’t like the coverage of her foundation, and frets that she’s being portrayed as an out-of-touch stiff a la Al Gore. Journalism professor Jeff Jarvis, meanwhile, recently wrote a long post on Medium despairing over the media’s habit of always looking for a Clinton scandal.

Both Krugman and Jarvis have some fair points to make. Some reporting onClinton’s emails and her family’s foundation have been a bit too breathless – all journalists are concerned with traffic to their stories, which lends itself to an unfortunate tendency to oversell shoddy goods.

It happens. Not all coverage is good or fair. But this idea that Bill, Hillary and their defenders have proffered for decades – that there exists a pronounced anti-Clinton bias in the press – is off base.

Does your average political reporter harbor much affection for Hillary Clinton? Probably not, which is to their credit, because in terms of policies the Clintons are likely right where most journalists are politically. It’s no secret that journalists tend to lean center-left, and it would be quite hard, if not impossible, to find a mainstream reporter who’s voting for Donald Trump.

But let’s grant for a moment that reporters are naturally suspicious of the Clintons and go looking for scandals. Why would that be, if ideology isn’t the reason? Maybe it’s guilt: journalists (at least the ones who vote) will be turning out for Clinton in droves come November, and overcorrect by being extra adversarial in print.

Maybe. But here’s another: it’s the Clintons’ general shadiness, which likely stems from their lack of concern about appearances. As the Clinton’s defenders often note, nobody has ever proven that they do special favors for their donors. Nobody can say definitively that they’re corrupt in any legal sense of the word. But that doesn’t mean it’s all kosher.

The fact is you don’t have to hate the Clintons to wonderwhy Marc Rich was pardoned. You don’t have to believe the Clinton Foundation is a massive slush fund to ask why reactionary Gulf State monarchies would bestow a progressive charity with millions of dollars. It’s not unreasonable to wonder why Goldman Sachs thinks a single Hillary speech is worth so much money, or think she shouldn’t spend the last few weeks of summer giving an extended private audience to Hamptons billionaires. And so on, and so on.

“America and the world can’t afford another election tipped by innuendo,” Krugman warns, raising the specter of the 2000 election. But as political writer Josh Barro has pointed out, it’s bad for the country when politicians like the Clintons are so cavalier about the appearance of corruption.

Trust in America’s institutions and leaders are frighteningly low, a trend the Clintons seem interested only in exacerbating. They invite the innuendo, and when challenged, immediately go into attack mode against the press, a particularly beleaguered institution when it comes to public confidence.

The media isn’t biased truly against Clinton. Skeptical, yes, and often exhausted by their endless emails and financial dealings and slipperiness. But ultimately just about every mainstream political journalist in D.C. and New York wants her to win, or rather for Trump to lose, which by itself blows up the idea that they can be all that biased against her.

Again, the coverage can be tough, sometimes unduly so. But to the extent Clinton partisans are uncomfortable with the level of scrutiny she’s received this election, they only have their candidate to blame. 

 
"the quotations could be arranged to put like with like"

Yeah, I can use Google, too. 

It's still ilk, not like.
"the quotations could be arranged to put your like with his like"

It's a noun, son. Nouns can be possessed by pronouns. Go back to grammar school and stop ruining the thread.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Mr. Ham said:
Simpler.  They put their own wants, desires and wallets first.   And they cover it up with a veil of righteousness.  
counterpoint

Honestly, this nonsense is so utterly stupid.  Yes they're power-hungry, just like all politicians.  But Hillary has an irrefutable record of decades spent in service of children and others, both before her husband was a prominent politician and after.  And as I've pointed out a trillion times, if they wanted to line their own wallets they could have retired from public service decades ago, not bothered with the Clinton Foundation, and lived out the rest of their lives in extreme wealth and without the critical eyes of the public and the press simply by giving speeches, publishing books and/or joining law or lobbying firms as seven figure rainmakers.

What's more, every single time I've said this not one of you political hyenas has even bothered to provide any facts that contradict it.  You just move on to the next line of Clinton crap spoon-fed to you by the fine folks at Fox News.
Not sure if I'm in the demo you are addressing, but I see no reason why they can't be out for themselves while doing some good things to.  I'm on record here saying I applaud her actions when it comes to children and women.  You can tell she cares...she's a different person when she is talking about those issues.  So much so, I look for that version of her in other areas sorta as a Hillary meter if you will.

I will point out the egos and power hungry part don't mesh with just retiring and living out their lives, content with what they have amassed.  That's just not how people motivated by those things are wired.  That's not unique to the Clintons and is merely an observation.  It's my opinion that it's the power they're after more than personal wealth (they already have that) so dropping out of the public eye is not an option.  Working for a lobby just doesn't have the pizzazz that being the most powerful person in the country / world? does.  It's the ultimate ego stroke.

I guess my point is, these things that either side is bringing up isn't either/or.  The Clinton Foundation can represent keeping the name recognition going, using it for favors etc and at the same time represent a lot of good things.  

 
Not sure if I'm in the demo you are addressing, but I see no reason why they can't be out for themselves while doing some good things to.  I'm on record here saying I applaud her actions when it comes to children and women.  You can tell she cares...she's a different person when she is talking about those issues.  So much so, I look for that version of her in other areas sorta as a Hillary meter if you will.

I will point out the egos and power hungry part don't mesh with just retiring and living out their lives, content with what they have amassed.  That's just not how people motivated by those things are wired.  That's not unique to the Clintons and is merely an observation.  It's my opinion that it's the power they're after more than personal wealth (they already have that) so dropping out of the public eye is not an option.  Working for a lobby just doesn't have the pizzazz that being the most powerful person in the country / world? does.  It's the ultimate ego stroke.

I guess my point is, these things that either side is bringing up isn't either/or.  The Clinton Foundation can represent keeping the name recognition going, using it for favors etc and at the same time represent a lot of good things.  
I'm on board with that description, I think it applies to the Clintons, and really to all but the worst politicians. In fact other than the suggestion that they're using the Clinton Foundation for favors on any significant scale I have no quarrel with anything in your post! :hifive:

 
Not sure if I'm in the demo you are addressing, but I see no reason why they can't be out for themselves while doing some good things to.  I'm on record here saying I applaud her actions when it comes to children and women.  You can tell she cares...she's a different person when she is talking about those issues.  So much so, I look for that version of her in other areas sorta as a Hillary meter if you will.

I will point out the egos and power hungry part don't mesh with just retiring and living out their lives, content with what they have amassed.  That's just not how people motivated by those things are wired.  That's not unique to the Clintons and is merely an observation.  It's my opinion that it's the power they're after more than personal wealth (they already have that) so dropping out of the public eye is not an option.  Working for a lobby just doesn't have the pizzazz that being the most powerful person in the country / world? does.  It's the ultimate ego stroke.

I guess my point is, these things that either side is bringing up isn't either/or.  The Clinton Foundation can represent keeping the name recognition going, using it for favors etc and at the same time represent a lot of good things.  
What I've said repeatedly is that someone can be power hungry and still be a good President.  Winning the Presidency is a huge ego boost, but a bigger ego boost is retiring as one of the best Presidents in history.  She may not get there but it's foolish to think that's not her goal.

 
Politician Spock said:
"the quotations could be arranged to put your like with his like"

It's a noun, son. Nouns can be possessed by pronouns. Go back to grammar school and stop ruining the thread.
Unless you fancy yourself akin to Shakespeare or Shaw, it's still ilk if you are using it with a genitive.

 
Not sure if I'm in the demo you are addressing, but I see no reason why they can't be out for themselves while doing some good things to.  I'm on record here saying I applaud her actions when it comes to children and women.  You can tell she cares...she's a different person when she is talking about those issues.  So much so, I look for that version of her in other areas sorta as a Hillary meter if you will.

I will point out the egos and power hungry part don't mesh with just retiring and living out their lives, content with what they have amassed.  That's just not how people motivated by those things are wired.  That's not unique to the Clintons and is merely an observation.  It's my opinion that it's the power they're after more than personal wealth (they already have that) so dropping out of the public eye is not an option.  Working for a lobby just doesn't have the pizzazz that being the most powerful person in the country / world? does.  It's the ultimate ego stroke.

I guess my point is, these things that either side is bringing up isn't either/or.  The Clinton Foundation can represent keeping the name recognition going, using it for favors etc and at the same time represent a lot of good things.  
Whoever said the corrupt can't also be benificent? Of course they can be, it can behoove them to be so but it can also be genuine. No doubt the Clintons have meant to do good and have done good.

 
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Unless you fancy yourself akin to Shakespeare or Shaw, it's still ilk if you are using it with a genitive.
I'm not saying ilk is wrong. They're both right.

Ilk however is preferred by racists, so you've got that going for you. People also tend to hate grammar police, so you're doubled down on this. Well done!

 
I'm not saying ilk is wrong. They're both right.

Ilk however is preferred by racists, so you've got that going for you. People also tend to hate grammar police, so you're doubled down on this. Well done!
I hate when people call others small minded and then make grammatical errors...so there's that.    

 
Not sure if I'm in the demo you are addressing, but I see no reason why they can't be out for themselves while doing some good things to.  I'm on record here saying I applaud her actions when it comes to children and women.  You can tell she cares...she's a different person when she is talking about those issues.  So much so, I look for that version of her in other areas sorta as a Hillary meter if you will.

I will point out the egos and power hungry part don't mesh with just retiring and living out their lives, content with what they have amassed.  That's just not how people motivated by those things are wired.  That's not unique to the Clintons and is merely an observation.  It's my opinion that it's the power they're after more than personal wealth (they already have that) so dropping out of the public eye is not an option.  Working for a lobby just doesn't have the pizzazz that being the most powerful person in the country / world? does.  It's the ultimate ego stroke.

I guess my point is, these things that either side is bringing up isn't either/or.  The Clinton Foundation can represent keeping the name recognition going, using it for favors etc and at the same time represent a lot of good things.  
I'm on board with that description, I think it applies to the Clintons, and really to all but the worst politicians. In fact other than the suggestion that they're using the Clinton Foundation for favors on any significant scale I have no quarrel with anything in your post! :hifive:
I'm not confident they use it for favors.  They don't need to.  The only issue I have with the foundation is it's accepting of money from people the foundation is there to protect women and children from.  I know there are some "by any means necessary" guys out there, but its one of those things that gives a negative appearance to someone like me.  I feel like the foundation would be better served to have a clear, distinct line drawn between their funding and what they use that funding to accomplish.  There's no need to blur that particular line IMO.

 
I'll call Game of Thrones and let them know that the proper eulogy for the Night's Watch should be "we shall never see his ilk again". 

 
Not sure if I'm in the demo you are addressing, but I see no reason why they can't be out for themselves while doing some good things to.  I'm on record here saying I applaud her actions when it comes to children and women.  You can tell she cares...she's a different person when she is talking about those issues.  So much so, I look for that version of her in other areas sorta as a Hillary meter if you will.

I will point out the egos and power hungry part don't mesh with just retiring and living out their lives, content with what they have amassed.  That's just not how people motivated by those things are wired.  That's not unique to the Clintons and is merely an observation.  It's my opinion that it's the power they're after more than personal wealth (they already have that) so dropping out of the public eye is not an option.  Working for a lobby just doesn't have the pizzazz that being the most powerful person in the country / world? does.  It's the ultimate ego stroke.

I guess my point is, these things that either side is bringing up isn't either/or.  The Clinton Foundation can represent keeping the name recognition going, using it for favors etc and at the same time represent a lot of good things.  
Whoever said the corrupt can't also be benificent? Of course they can be, it can behoove them to be so but it can also be genuine. No doubt the Clintons have meant to do good and have done good.
In this thread, every argument has been made ignoring the other side of the same coin.  Perhaps it's just me, but that's how it comes across to me. :shrug:  

 
TobiasFunke said:
What's more, every single time I've said this not one of you political hyenas has even bothered to provide any facts that contradict it.
I love this new transmogrification hot take. I thought there was a :wolf: 's about, now it's hyenas. It's like a menagerie in here.

What are the Hillary fans? Unicorns perhaps? Graceful palominos meandering about the golden plains, innocent and dewy eyed? Sleek gazelles loping along the Serengeti, when suddenly, pounced upon by a hyena, watch out!

 
i hate when small minded people think there's only one way to do something.

Let me guess, you're voting for Hillary because... well... TRUMP!
I hate when people call other people small minded then swear that 1+1=3.

I hate when they double down and assume that the person they are talking to has an opposing position on every issue or topic merely because they disagree on one.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
There’s an argument going around that the media has it out for Hillary Clinton.
The :cry: and :violin: is pretty hard to take.

George Stephanopoulas does in depth, hard hitting interviews with Hillary. Oh he was a Foundation contributor and member. And he literally made his bones doing official pr for the Clintons, for which he was handsomely rewarded.

Matt Lauer moderates the debate but he was a Foundation Friend.

Andrea Mitchell tackles the email issue but hey NBC hired Chelsea for $600,000, for what? We have no idea.

 
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I'll call Game of Thrones and let them know that the proper eulogy for the Night's Watch should be "we shall never see his ilk again". 


I'll call Game of Thrones and let them know that the proper eulogy for the Night's Watch should be "we shall never see his ilk again". 
Unless you fancy yourself akin to Shakespeare or Shaw, it's still ilk if you are using it with a genitive.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080616194728AAxFOFS

 
In this thread, every argument has been made ignoring the other side of the same coin.  Perhaps it's just me, but that's how it comes across to me. :shrug:  
In this thread recently. But yes typically that's true.

Happy to trade compliments of the Clintons for honest criticisms citing real facts any time. Who's going first?

(And none of this 'my Aghoior for your Nuk Hopkins' business either).

 
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Community-Based Redevelopment Efforts in New Orleans




Commitment by



The Aspen Institute, Shorenstein Company, Harvard John F. Kennedy School of Government, Carnegie Corporation Of New York, CH2M




In 2006, Walter Shorenstein, Douglas Ahlers and Walter Isaacson committed to create a network of public-private partnerships that will empower local leadership and leverage resources and expertise in support of the redevelopment plan created by the residents of New Orleans.


https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/community-based-redevelopment-efforts-new-orleans\

- I truly thank the CF. This is a great thing and I appreciate it.

This was a good work by good people, the Clintons did indeed show their good intentions at a time of need.

************

Ok who's up with the other side of the coin, as Commish put it?


 
I love this new transmogrification hot take. I thought there was a :wolf: 's about, now it's hyenas. It's like a menagerie in here.

What are the Hillary fans? Unicorns perhaps? Graceful palominos meandering about the golden plains, innocent and dewy eyed? Sleek gazelles loping along the Serengeti, when suddenly, pounced upon by a hyena, watch out!
You seem confused.  Let me try to help you out.

I'm adopting the language of the excellent Dallas Morning News editorial that described you and your mudslinging friends as "political hyenas" who "refuse to see anything but conspiracies and cover-ups" and favor "the politics of personal destruction."  You do understand that's you they're talking about, right?  If it wasn't before, it definitely is now that you've gone off the deep end with the "I'm only asking questions [even though his family considers them answered and asked people not to keep bringing it up] and it's Hillary's fault I'm asking them anyway" crap about Vince Foster.

You should feel free to use any other animal-based metaphors you deem appropriate, keeping in mind that the DMN was way too kind with "hyena" to describe what you're doing IMO. I would have gone with a beast who spends a lot more time wallowing in filth.

 
You seem confused.  Let me try to help you out.

I'm adopting the language of the excellent Dallas Morning News editorial that described you and your mudslinging friends as "political hyenas" who "refuse to see anything but conspiracies and cover-ups" and favor "the politics of personal destruction."  You do understand that's you they're talking about, right?  If it wasn't before, it definitely is now that you've gone off the deep end with the "I'm only asking questions [even though his family considers them answered and asked people not to keep bringing it up] and it's Hillary's fault I'm asking them anyway" crap about Vince Foster.

You should feel free to use any other animal-based metaphors you deem appropriate, keeping in mind that the DMN was way too kind with "hyena" to describe what you're doing IMO. I would have gone with a beast who spends a lot more time wallowing in filth.
Yeah, I got the reference. I was just mocking it.

Eh, I don't think I've taken that tactic at all.

Here's the sequence: Ham (not sure what) > Tim: Conspiracy theorist, conspiracy theories are dangerous! > Me:the VRWC is in fact a conspiracy theory and it is harmful. > Tim: my conspiracies are good. > Me: Yeah, why are we castigating citizens for saying 'bad things' about the Clintons when Hillary is the one who has caused problems in extremely dumb and selfish fashion repeatedly over the years. Here's an example, Travelgate/Foster. > You: Hyena!

I posted the WaPo report from the day about Foster. That's not me employing 'just askin' ', that's me pointing to facts. I really don't care to discuss it, it's old and way overcovered, but if you want a true take rest on 1. WaPo and 2. the NYT.  Those are my bookends, those are my facts, no questions involved.

 
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Yeah, I got the reference. I was just mocking it.

Eh, I don't think I've taken that tactic at all.

Here's the sequence: Ham (not sure what) > Tim: Conspiracy theorist, conspiracy theories are dangerous! > Me:the VRWC is in fact a conspiracy theory and it is harmful. > Tim: my conspiracies are good. > Me: Yeah, why are we castigating citizens for saying 'bad things' about the Clintons when Hillary is the one who has caused problems in extremely dumb and selfish fashion repeatedly over the years. Here's an example, Travelgate/Foster. > You: Hyena!

I posted the WaPo report from the day about Foster. That's not me employing 'just askin' ', that's me pointing to facts. I really don't care to discuss it, it's old and way overcovered, but if you want a true take rest on 1. WaPo and 2. the NYT.  Those are my bookends, those are my facts, no questions involved.
Perhaps you simply chose an unbelievably poor example of Clinton "causing problems for herself."  Since I consider you an iFriend I'll choose to interpret it that way- easier for me since I was not enjoying thinking of you as one of "those people."

I still think you sling mud without substance a little too readily on various Hillary stuff, and I think those occasions are exactly what the DMN editorial was talking about, so that shoe fits. But we all have our flaws, Hillary included,.

 
Perhaps you simply chose an unbelievably poor example of Clinton "causing problems for herself."  Since I consider you an iFriend I'll choose to interpret it that way- easier for me since I was not enjoying thinking of you as one of "those people."

I still think you sling mud without substance a little too readily on various Hillary stuff, and I think those occasions are exactly what the DMN editorial was talking about, so that shoe fits. But we all have our flaws, Hillary included,.
Thanks. I agree Vince Foster is absolutely the very worst subject to bring up. Dumb on my part but I was tired, and then felt the need to defend myself. Thanks for the slack. Have a good one.

 
Perhaps you simply chose an unbelievably poor example of Clinton "causing problems for herself."  Since I consider you an iFriend I'll choose to interpret it that way- easier for me since I was not enjoying thinking of you as one of "those people."

I still think you sling mud without substance a little too readily on various Hillary stuff, and I think those occasions are exactly what the DMN editorial was talking about, so that shoe fits. But we all have our flaws, Hillary included,.
Let's use an easier example. Hillary lied to the FBI than she didn't know what (c) stands for, when there are many cables where Hillary herself initiated its use.  That alone shows character and it alone (lying to FBI) should be disqualifying.

 
Let's use an easier example. Hillary lied to the FBI than she didn't know what (c) stands for, when there are many cables where Hillary herself initiated its use.  That alone shows character and it alone (lying to FBI) should be disqualifying.
And to be clear, your proof of this is ... an accused rapist who is currently acting as an intelligence laundering service for Russia?  Is that correct?

(C) can stand for lots of things.  Context matters. For her to be lying she'd have to know what it was referencing when she saw it in a particular document that was the subject of the investigation. I see no evidence that she was lying about that, but feel free to share it if you have it.

 
And to be clear, your proof of this is ... an accused rapist who is currently acting as an intelligence laundering service for Russia?  Is that correct?

(C) can stand for lots of things.  Context matters. For her to be lying she'd have to know what it was referencing when she saw it in a particular document that was the subject of the investigation. I see no evidence that she was lying about that, but feel free to share it if you have it.
(C) only stands for one thing when it comes to portion marking.  She knows that.  If she doesn't, she is incompetent.  Its really one or the other. 

I've written cables before.

 
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