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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (10 Viewers)

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TobiasFunke said:
And to be clear, your proof of this is ... an accused rapist who is currently acting as an intelligence laundering service for Russia?  Is that correct?

(C) can stand for lots of things.  Context matters. For her to be lying she'd have to know what it was referencing when she saw it in a particular document that was the subject of the investigation. I see no evidence that she was lying about that, but feel free to share it if you have it.
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Truly amazing how both sides drink the koolaid for their candidate

 
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Max Power said:
(C) only stands for one thing when it comes to portion marking.  She knows that.  If she doesn't, she is incompetent.  Its really one or the other. 

I've written cables before.
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Her next lie will be that she was still feeling the effects of her concussion and that c was her way of asking for help...

 
timschochet said:
They were the first couple from the 60s generation to reach political power in this country, and to understand the hatred you've got to back to that era and take into account  conservative resentment against liberal youth who, in the eyes of conservatives, were given every benefit in life and didn't appreciate what they had. 

Bill avoided the draft and tried pot. Hillary was the poster girl for feminism, and appeared to have disdain for women who stayed home and baked cookies. From the first traditional conservatives couldn't stand them. 

The hatred has always been very real, your use of quotation marks notwithstanding. 
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Well I've been extremely conservative for a long time.

Avoiding the draft & smoking pot:  Kudos, I did the same.

Feminism:  Bring it on, was a good thing.

BJ(BJ'sssss) for Bill in the White house:  Good for him.  He deserved it for  turning around in the economy.

The constant(and I mean constant) lying under oath, or not under oath, shows a lack of respect for all of us.  Their so called foundation is nothing more than a giant slush fund for the Clinton's.  It is pay to play at it's finest. 

I have no hatred towards either. 

IMO

 
badmojo1006 said:
Do you have any quotes to back this up?
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Nope.  I work in a SCIF dealing with classified materials daily.  We constantly have conversations about what classification level our products need to be.  These days, we just say F it, the intent isn't there.... we're good. 

But in all seriousness, following Comey's statement, my organization conducted manditory training to remind everyone that intent doesn't matter.  Wrong is wrong. 

 
irishidiot said:
Well I've been extremely conservative for a long time.

Avoiding the draft & smoking pot:  Kudos, I did the same.

Feminism:  Bring it on, was a good thing.

BJ(BJ'sssss) for Bill in the White house:  Good for him.  He deserved it for  turning around in the economy.

The constant(and I mean constant) lying under oath, or not under oath, shows a lack of respect for all of us.  Their so called foundation is nothing more than a giant slush fund for the Clinton's.  It is pay to play at it's finest. 

I have no hatred towards either. 

IMO
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I am not claiming that every conservative who dislikes Hillary thinks what I described above. But those were the ones who started it, and who brought up one false scandal after another. They created the false impression that Hillary is a liar and corrupt, which you and so many others have bought into hook line and sinker. 

The reality is she is sometimes shady but never corrupt, she is generally honest, and she has worked her entire life trying to better the nation. 

 
(C) is for cookie that's good enough for me

(C) is for cookie that's good enough for me

(C) is for cookie that's good enough for me

Oh cookie cookie cookie starts with (C)

 
She's gotten tough questions on the emails, on her Iraq vote, on her being a hawk. She's doing excellent IMO. She's firm, calm, with great poise and knowledge. 

But I admit I'm biased. Perhaps somebody who isn't such a fan can chime in...

 
timschochet said:
I am not claiming that every conservative who dislikes Hillary thinks what I described above. But those were the ones who started it, and who brought up one false scandal after another. They created the false impression that Hillary is a liar and corrupt, which you and so many others have bought into hook line and sinker. 

The reality is she is sometimes shady but never corrupt, she is generally honest, and she has worked her entire life trying to better the nation. 
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She's also lied....a lot.  She doesn't need to be full on corrupt.  Questionable in character and judgment is enough for a lot of us.

 
Trey said:
Looking forward to at least a dozen congressional investigations into former Secretary Powell. Pretty much admitted to evading FOIA.
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And Saints will gives us 10 daily updates about it until it is over, just like he did with Hillary.

 
squistion said:
And Saints will gives us 10 daily updates about it until it is over, just like he did with Hillary.
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I mean you've got:

-Classified information identified in what limited emails that have been recovered from his tenure. 

- spouse running a foundation accepting donations that reek of pay for play

- intent to skirt FOIA

This is huge. I expect Judicial Watch and Congress to have subpoenas out there tomorrow morning because our nation's security is too important for partisanship...

 
Bigger TX news is the fact that Clinton is leading in a poll there.  Let that sink in.  Granted it's only one poll, but still.

 
So Trump up in some polls and Clinton sweeping the battleground states.  Is Trump taking CA or winning SC 99-1 to make this math add up?

 
elbowrm said:
Bigger TX news is the fact that Clinton is leading in a poll there.  Let that sink in.  Granted it's only one poll, but still.
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As much as I like to engage in wishful thinking for Hillary, I just can't see her taking Texas. If she does that means an electoral landslide we have not seen the likes of since Mondale or McGovern.

 
Just watched a few clips of Clinton's responses to classified.  She's horrible.  Her answers may have sounded alright to someone who doesn't deal with classified, but the whole header excuse is bogus. If anything its listing another way she and the state department mishandled classified. 

She is a vile person. 

 
Max Power said:
Just watched a few clips of Clinton's responses to classified.  She's horrible.  Her answers may have sounded alright to someone who doesn't deal with classified, but the whole header excuse is bogus. If anything its listing another way she and the state department mishandled classified. 

She is a vile person. 
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I'm glad you're here Max, as I am one who has no experience dealing with classified information so please let me ask you: why is the header excuse bogus?

 
squistion said:
Who is it that keeps saying here that the NY Times is in the tank for Hillary?

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 4m4 minutes ago

So, the NYT writeup on the vets' forum tonight was very long but literally didn't mention Trump's comments on Putin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-national-security.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news.&_r=0
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People don't give incompetence enough credit when talking about reporters/journalism.

 
Let me add that the way Clinton responded sounded reasonable to me coming from someone who was the highest ranking member of the State Department.

 
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Max Power said:
Just watched a few clips of Clinton's responses to classified.  She's horrible.  Her answers may have sounded alright to someone who doesn't deal with classified, but the whole header excuse is bogus. If anything its listing another way she and the state department mishandled classified. 

She is a vile person. 
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You give yourself away here.

 
I gotta say, Hillary has been under fire a number of times as a public figure and often comes across as someone who is well versed on the topics and is quick enough to offer reasonable and somewhat detailed responses when asked tough questions.  Trump, on the other hand, comes across as someone trying to get over by muddying the water and evading direct responses.

All other aspects to the side, Clinton at least comes across as the more intelligent and thoughtful candidate.

 
dutch said:
I'm glad you're here Max, as I am one who has no experience dealing with classified information so please let me ask you: why is the header excuse bogus?
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The header is supposed to determine the overall classification of the document as a whole.  Portion markings such as (TS), (S), (C), (U) and so on are annotated at the start of each new paragraph. This is done so that the reader has an understanding of what information is classified at which level. 

If you classify your header as UNCLASSIFIED and there is a (C) portion marking, that is a security violation.  If you just skip a header all together (which happens in emails) and there is any classified information in there, that is a security violation.  Once she saw the (C) on an unclassified server she was 100% in the wrong.  Of note when someone sends an email on an unclassified government server, the email is automatically labelled as UNCLASSIFIED.  This is because no classified information should EVER be on there. 

For Hillary to say "there were no headers and there were no markings" is just an extremely poor showing on State Department. These items are required for official correspondence.  The fact that she allowed this to go for years reflects poorly on her judgement skills.  This also brings some of her previous issues back to light.  Like the incident below were she asked an advisor to remove the markers. 

She's not a stupid women, she knows exactly what she was doing.  She knew she was violating security protocols.  Now shes going to lie to everyone's face about it again. 

A year before Hillary Clinton apparently asked one of her top aides to remove the classification markings from a sensitive document and send it to her over an unsecured network, she pushed the same aide to remove a different document from the State Department's classified system and email it to her without markings.

The pair of email exchanges hint at the pattern of disregard for record-keeping practices that landed Clinton and her staff under investigation by the FBI this summer for potentially mishandling classified information.

The more recent email, written in June 2011, was made public Friday by the State Department in an overnight dump of documents lacking subject fields or other distinguishing headers.

In that email, Clinton asked Jake Sullivan, one of her top advisers, to remove the markings from a set of seemingly classified talking points and send it to her "nonsecure" after State Department staff were too slow to send the document over a secure fax line
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