Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (9 Viewers)

[Apple Jack]

Wait til they find out that none of her conversations were recorded!!!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So if she had had an official state department email address and then a personal email address where she engaged in all the Benghazi cover upping, foreign donor courting, and general scheming would that have been more palatable to everyone? Seems like the general consensus.

Hillary did a few things to screw up her own works, but just a couple are:

• she may be the only public official I have ever heard of who works solely off of personal email. I don't think even city councilmen do this. Yes, at least have a public email so that you can at least claim that all your official stuff is on the public server where archives and FOIA and the IG can get to it. By putting it all on your own server you're inviting the public world into your private sht.
• I have no idea why she admitted to deleting stuff voluntarily - who told her that was a good idea???? ---- She apparently had a sweet little total-delete setting on her server, so what she has deleted she has forever deleted. Typically what happens, say like the IRS or business cases, people can say oh hey nothing's ever deleted really. So she has set herself up for having actually totally deleted stuff, which is not good. - She also has too many emails to personally go through, she may think she has captured everything she wants to delete but she hasn't. I think we're possibly dealing with a real kookoo paranoid type here.

I promise I'm not being apoplectic or hyper-whatever here, I'm trying to be cold and clinical about this.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Wait til they find out that none of her conversations were recorded!!!

It's all fun and games until a Republican does it. amiright?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wait til they find out that none of her conversations were recorded!!!

Rose Mary Woods, that you?

 

[otello]

So if she had had an official state department email address and then a personal email address where she engaged in all the Benghazi cover upping, foreign donor courting, and general scheming would that have been more palatable to everyone? Seems like the general consensus.

Hillary did a few things to screw up her own works, but just a couple are:

• she may be the only public official I have ever heard of who works solely off of personal email. I don't think even city councilmen do this. Yes, at least have a public email so that you can at least claim that all your official stuff is on the public server where archives and FOIA and the IG can get to it. By putting it all on your own server you're inviting the public world into your private sht.
• I have no idea why she admitted to deleting stuff voluntarily - who told her that was a good idea???? ---- She apparently had a sweet little total-delete setting on her server, so what she has deleted she has forever deleted. Typically what happens, say like the IRS or business cases, people can say oh hey nothing's ever deleted really. So she has set herself up for having actually totally deleted stuff, which is not good. - She also has too many emails to personally go through, she may think she has captured everything she wants to delete but she hasn't. I think we're possibly dealing with a real kookoo paranoid type here.

I promise I'm not being apoplectic or hyper-whatever here, I'm trying to be cold and clinical about this.

i am sure that she did the complete delete where you overwrite the files with garbage information. Did she say when she delete the emails? Before or after the request from State?

 

[Apple Jack]

Wait til they find out that none of her conversations were recorded!!!

It's all fun and games until a Republican does it. amiright?

No, it's fun and games then too. For me at least. Not so much for Tricky ****.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So if she had had an official state department email address and then a personal email address where she engaged in all the Benghazi cover upping, foreign donor courting, and general scheming would that have been more palatable to everyone? Seems like the general consensus.

Hillary did a few things to screw up her own works, but just a couple are:

• she may be the only public official I have ever heard of who works solely off of personal email. I don't think even city councilmen do this. Yes, at least have a public email so that you can at least claim that all your official stuff is on the public server where archives and FOIA and the IG can get to it. By putting it all on your own server you're inviting the public world into your private sht.
• I have no idea why she admitted to deleting stuff voluntarily - who told her that was a good idea???? ---- She apparently had a sweet little total-delete setting on her server, so what she has deleted she has forever deleted. Typically what happens, say like the IRS or business cases, people can say oh hey nothing's ever deleted really. So she has set herself up for having actually totally deleted stuff, which is not good. - She also has too many emails to personally go through, she may think she has captured everything she wants to delete but she hasn't. I think we're possibly dealing with a real kookoo paranoid type here.

I promise I'm not being apoplectic or hyper-whatever here, I'm trying to be cold and clinical about this.

i am sure that she did the complete delete where you overwrite the files with garbage information. Did she say when she delete the emails? Before or after the request from State?

If she said when she deleted them then that's a whole other kind of crazy, she needs to have the keys taken away from her own campaign seriously.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Guys did she actually say she wanted to be on one server because she didn't want to carry around two devices?

Did that actually happen?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm gonna need another iPhone for my gmail!

Damn, just joined another fantasy league, well I'm gonna need an Android!

Damn if I could just get it on one server, arrrggghh!

 

[MaxThreshold]

Guys did she actually say she wanted to be on one server because she didn't want to carry around two devices?

Did that actually happen?

If she did that has to be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. She's pretty much banking on no one knowing anything about how email - or the internet - works.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It really is Nixon all over again (though he was most definitely hiding something, that may not matter). This is all just a question if she gets called on this by a judge, that's really the whole shooting match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W33iveUy-v8

If all the press agencies and newspapers and blogs and tea party groups and citizens groups seeking documents or the several agencies or the GOP Libya committee or other Congressional committees can't press a judge to give them that, then off she goes, free as a bird.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Of course, she also managed to have with her at all times: an iPhone, Blackberry, iPad, and iPad Mini

Uhm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXjB-HAhmUY

"Full disclosure" ... "and a blackberry."

HFS, it's such absurdity.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm gonna need another iPhone for my gmail!

Damn, just joined another fantasy league, well I'm gonna need an Android!

Damn if I could just get it on one server, arrrggghh!

I believe the government-issued Blackberries are locked-down. So, yes, she really would have needed a second device if she wanted to also be able to access personal email.

Well I guess that's true, good point. So she hooked up her government blackberry to her private server?

About the video above where she says she has an iPhone, just a reminder - that mean iCloud, which means backup.

 

[mcintyre1]

Tell you something about IT people and criminal investigations.

It's not the MacDougals, these are just guys who do their jobs, they flip like pancakes. They don't even know what they're flipping about, they just do, slot A went into slot B.

They could always go with the Karl Rove route. A little more reading.

 

[Leviathan]

Hopefully the Dems will roll out another viable candidate. That "press conference" made me cringe.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tell you something about IT people and criminal investigations.

It's not the MacDougals, these are just guys who do their jobs, they flip like pancakes. They don't even know what they're flipping about, they just do, slot A went into slot B.

They could always go with the Karl Rove route. A little more reading.

I think this is a really good example. Karl Rove was a political operative, if he used the White House or government email for political campaigning that would have been against the Hatch Act, don't you agree? He had at least had some government server emails. - Hillary had none, was everything she doing political?

By the way if Rove had been on government email then maybe Abramoff would have been caught sooner and maybe the Bush WH may have had an investigation. Hence, yes, government officials - including our councilmen and mayors and school board members - should be working off public servers for public business. Your local IG, the county/city attorneys who do FOIA requests, the state AG, the little lady trying to get her street sign fixed via public records requests, and local journalists should all be able to trust that public records are public records.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tell you something about IT people and criminal investigations.

It's not the MacDougals, these are just guys who do their jobs, they flip like pancakes. They don't even know what they're flipping about, they just do, slot A went into slot B.

They could always go with the Karl Rove route. A little more reading.

But hey about Connell if we're talking people dying during presidential investigations, please let's not...

 

[Hang 10]

I'm gonna need another iPhone for my gmail!

Damn, just joined another fantasy league, well I'm gonna need an Android!

Damn if I could just get it on one server, arrrggghh!

I believe the government-issued Blackberries are locked-down. So, yes, she really would have needed a second device if she wanted to also be able to access personal email.

Well I guess that's true, good point. So she hooked up her government blackberry to her private server?

About the video above where she says she has an iPhone, just a reminder - that mean iCloud, which means backup.

Yeah that doesn't really make any sense. It was a locked blackberry but set up to private email exclusively? Why couldn't they put a .gov address on there too?

 

[Hang 10]

I'm gonna need another iPhone for my gmail!

Damn, just joined another fantasy league, well I'm gonna need an Android!

Damn if I could just get it on one server, arrrggghh!

I believe the government-issued Blackberries are locked-down. So, yes, she really would have needed a second device if she wanted to also be able to access personal email.

Well I guess that's true, good point. So she hooked up her government blackberry to her private server?

About the video above where she says she has an iPhone, just a reminder - that mean iCloud, which means backup.

Yeah that doesn't really make any sense. It was a locked blackberry but set up to private email exclusively? Why couldn't they put a .gov address on there too?

I think it's the other way around. The blackberry would have had the .gov email address, but can't connect to servers outside the .gov sphere for personal emails because of security protocols. So for personal email, she'd would have had to carry a 2nd phone. Or, just carry the 2nd phone, connect it to the home server, and avoid getting the .gov Blackberry.

There was something about this when Obama started in office, he was a "blackberry addict" but at the time blackberries were banned because they used 3rd party servers and there's no way Presidential correspondence could be trusted to some other company to handle. So the government built it's own version of the RIM Blackberry server setup and paired phones to it, then distributed the .gov phones to all officeholders who were entitled to it.

Yeah but she only used private email. Was she not using the phone they gave her?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm gonna need another iPhone for my gmail!

Damn, just joined another fantasy league, well I'm gonna need an Android!

Damn if I could just get it on one server, arrrggghh!

I believe the government-issued Blackberries are locked-down. So, yes, she really would have needed a second device if she wanted to also be able to access personal email.

Well I guess that's true, good point. So she hooked up her government blackberry to her private server?

About the video above where she says she has an iPhone, just a reminder - that mean iCloud, which means backup.

Yeah that doesn't really make any sense. It was a locked blackberry but set up to private email exclusively? Why couldn't they put a .gov address on there too?

I think it's the other way around. The blackberry would have had the .gov email address, but can't connect to servers outside the .gov sphere for personal emails because of security protocols. So for personal email, she'd would have had to carry a 2nd phone. Or, just carry the 2nd phone, connect it to the home server, and avoid getting the .gov Blackberry.

There was something about this when Obama started in office, he was a "blackberry addict" but at the time blackberries were banned because they used 3rd party servers and there's no way Presidential correspondence could be trusted to some other company to handle. So the government built it's own version of the RIM Blackberry server setup and paired phones to it, then distributed the .gov phones to all officeholders who were entitled to it.

Yeah but she only used private email. Was she not using the phone they gave her?

I think so, yes, that she either never took one, never asked for one, or something like that. Never even set up the user account in the first place with the .gov address. At least, that's how I interpret the meaning of it.

"I didn't want two phones," and knowing a .gov BB is locked-down to .gov servers only, that she decided to just use a private server of her own and connect to that.

Except that she's already admitted having a Blackberry.

 

[skol asylum]

She'll eventually turn on the disingenuous water works like she did in New Hampshire in 2008 and all will be forgiven.

 

[rct]

She'll eventually turn on the disingenuous water works like she did in New Hampshire in 2008 and all will be forgiven.

All wasn't forgiven, she didn't get the nomination. However by New Hampshire 2016 all be will pretty much forgotten, or will have as much significance to most voters as Benghazi.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

One comparison with Nixon does occur to me though - at one point he had that missing 16 minutes of tape, however long it was he disappeared some decent sized portion of his tapes. If the press via Foia or Congress via subpoenas manages to get to that server and there are mailboxes or certain time periods missing there will be big trouble. One result of releasing just 55K pages (which is really like just 10,000 emails or so, and that will be culled down further by State) is that there will inevitably be gaps, which will mean she will be sent back to her servers, maybe with an independent inspector or forensic investigator. Democrats had better start to ask if they can trust Hillary because she is putting them in jeopardy right alongside with her, at least electorally, because if she falters in the thick of it with no backup, that will not be good.

Hillary's people already have said they didn't turn over everything on the servers. So the fact that some stuff wasn't turned over wouldn't really be new information.

The 55,000 pages. Does that mean somebody printed them out and gave them as hard copies? I remember that lawyer trick.

Boy was I wrong on this one and you were right:

Statement from the office of Hillary Rodham Clinton:

Like Secretaries of State before her, Secretary Clinton used her own email account when engaging with State Department officials. For work, it was her practice to email them on their ".gov" accounts, with every expectation those emails would be captured and preserved immediately in the Department's system.

When the Department asked former Secretaries last year for help ensuring that their work emails were in fact retained, she said yes and provided printed copies of all of her work-related emails. She has since asked the Department to make the emails she provided available to the public.

She is proud of the work that she and the public servants at the Department did during her four years as Secretary of State and looks forward to people being able to see that for themselves.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/10/hillary-clinton-statement-q-and-a/24718561/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't think AP is letting go of this bone:

WASHINGTON (AP) — How Hillary Rodham Clinton's statements about her exclusive use of private email instead of a government account as secretary of state compare with the known facts:

CLINTON: "Others had done it."

THE FACTS: Although email practices varied among her predecessors, Clinton is the only secretary of state known to have conducted all official unclassified government business on a private email address. Years earlier, when emailing was not the ubiquitous practice it is now among high officials, Colin Powell used both a government and a private account. It's a striking departure from the norm for top officials to rely exclusively on private email for official business.

___

CLINTON: "I fully complied with every rule I was governed by."

THE FACTS: At the very least, Clinton appears to have violated what the White House has called "very specific guidance" that officials should use government email to conduct business.

Clinton provided no details about whether she had initially consulted with the department or other government officials before using the private email system. She did not answer several questions about whether she sought any clearances before she began relying exclusively on private emails for government business.

Federal officials are allowed to communicate on private email and are generally allowed to conduct government business in those exchanges, but that ability is constrained, both by federal regulations and by their supervisors.

Federal law during Clinton's tenure called for the archiving of such private email records when used for government work, but did not set out clear rules or punishments for violations until rules were tightened in November. In 2011, when Clinton was secretary, a cable from her office sent to all employees advised them to avoid conducting any official business on their private email accounts because of targeting by unspecified "online adversaries."

___

CLINTON: "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material."

THE FACTS: The assertion fits with the facts as known but skirts the issue of exchanging information in a private account that, while falling below the level of classified, is still sensitive.

The State Department and other national security agencies have specified rules for the handling of such sensitive material, which could affect national security, diplomatic and privacy concerns, and may include material such as personnel, medical and law enforcement data. In reviewing the 30,000 emails she turned over to the State Department, officials are looking for any security lapses concerning sensitive but unclassified material that may have been disclosed.

___

CLINTON: "It had numerous safeguards. It was on property guarded by the Secret Service. And there were no security breaches."

THE FACTS: While Clinton's server was physically guarded by the Secret Service, she provided no evidence it hadn't been compromised by hackers or foreign adversaries. She also didn't detail who administered the email system, if it received appropriate software security updates, or if it was monitored routinely for unauthorized access.

Clinton also didn't answer whether the homebrew computer system on her property had the same level of safeguards provided at professional data facilities, such as regulated temperatures, offsite backups, generators in case of power outages and fire-suppression systems. It was unclear what, if any, encryption software Clinton's server may have used to communicate with U.S. government email accounts.

Recent high-profile breaches, including at Sony Pictures Entertainment, have raised scrutiny on how well corporations and private individuals protect their computer networks from attack.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/floyd-memorial/Article_2015-03-10-US-DEM-2016-Clinton-Fact-Check/id-e4f158d7f92f4ec79387fbe957b0590e

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I have a question - hypothetically if for some reason Hillary did not become president, do you think she should be entitled to keep her State Department documents on her private server?

 

[Courtjester]

I don't believe for a second that this is a deal-breaker for her 2016 run at all, but the difference between this and say Benghazi (which was largely viewed as a pure partisan issue) is that:

A) It not just the GOP nominees that are going to hound her on this issue. She will have Democratic challengers that bring this issue up in the nomination process.

B) She already has and will continue to have the press after her if there isn't compliance with FOIA requests. This one is not going away. There are too many Woodward and Bernstein wannabes out there.

C) She is a Clinton and this continuing, perceived "slimy" approach to things is going to be a big deal and that was really evidence in her press conference today. She got caught doing something she shouldn't have done and the difference with this one is she can't just say, Mea Culpa and move on. She will have to deal with letter B above and that could prove to be problematic for her.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Are even those predisposed to vote for Hillary based on her party affiliation excited about her running?

 

[TripItUp]

The email "scandal" changes nothing.

Hillary wins in a landslide despite the conservative efforts to kick and scream along the way.

Resistance is futile.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

She will have Democratic challengers that bring this issue up in the nomination process.

Such as?

Like it or not, the Democrats have tied their wagon to this horse. I think it's too late for anybody else to make a serious run at the nomination.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ha, O'Malley has already declined to discuss it. How many "challengers" are we looking at, three? I think Webb will make a point about it as he seems to have integrity, hopefully he keeps her honest on a number of issues like Iraq, etc.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

However by New Hampshire 2016 all be will pretty much forgotten,

No, by that time we'll be on to the next scandal. There's always something with the Clintons.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This will continue into 2016, the AP and other news agencies, Judicial Watch and citizens groups, and the Congressional committees will be dragging her into court and congressional testimony. And the worst part is they will have a point, she can't keep her facts straight, and the whole issue is either above her head or below her morals. Hillary is taking the Democrats on a wild game of chicken.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In some crazy version on her head Hillary might think facing Jeb on this issue is a good thing. He's produced 250,000 electronic emails, has stated he has 3 million total, has nothing high security or top secret, and allows shared access. - Hillary has put out 30,000 PRINTED emails, hasn't told anyone how many emails she has, has the most top secret stuff in the nation including emails with the president, she shares her emails with no one yet may have exposed them and the president to hacking, and the president via his press secretary has already said he had no idea she was doing all this.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Are even those predisposed to vote for Hillary based on her party affiliation excited about her running?

We're supposed to be excited about candidates? I've been voting since 1988 and I don't recall being excited once.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Are even those predisposed to vote for Hillary based on her party affiliation excited about her running?

We're supposed to be excited about candidates? I've been voting since 1988 and I don't recall being excited once.

1988 was my first election too, but I thought it was pretty exciting. It was cool to get to weigh in on an important national issue such as "Should Willie Horton stay in prison?"

 

[Sweet J]

Are even those predisposed to vote for Hillary based on her party affiliation excited about her running?

We're supposed to be excited about candidates? I've been voting since 1988 and I don't recall being excited once.

1988 was my first election too, but I thought it was pretty exciting. It was cool to get to weigh in on an important national issue such as "Should Willie Horton stay in prison?"

But Dukakis looks so funny in that little helmet!! How could we vote for a guy who looks funny like that??? Hahahahahah. . . . pass the beer nuts. What were you saying?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Are even those predisposed to vote for Hillary based on her party affiliation excited about her running?

We're supposed to be excited about candidates? I've been voting since 1988 and I don't recall being excited once.

seemed like a large number of people were fairly orgasmic when Obama ran the first time

 

[Sweet J]

So I've gone back on forth on what I think. But I'm probably a lot closer to Tobias:

I think it shows amazing hubris that she used a personal email address. I think, technically, emails weren't "federal records," so she probably felt justified. I know that at my Department in 2007 (maybe because emails weren't "federal records") we had a requirement to print out all emails that would otherwise qualify as a federal record. I would bet that State Department had a similar requirement. So, she was probably within the "law" by using her private email account, and she probably would have complied with the law if she did what other fed workers were supposed to do: Quarterly, print out all emails that "otherwise" would have qualified as a federal record. I'm sure she didn't do this, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. (as an aside, two Department's I worked for from 2007-2014 required us to sign a document saying that we've printed our emails -- and I personally know a few people who just signed the damn thing without printing off jack squat).

So: I don't really think she did it to "hide" anything, in particular. Lot's of people didn't take the "print (or otherwise keep track of) your emails" requirement seriously.

But now that she's in the middle of it, it kind of screws her, because she's going to get extra scrutinized. She could have avoided all of this mess by tasking one staffer to go through all of her emails quarterly and print out any email that qualifies as a "federal record." Then she could have just turned-in 20 boxes worth of paper and be done with it (although I have no doubt that they would have been selective on what they actually turned over, but whatever).

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I think it shows amazing hubris that she used a personal email address.

I wonder if you feel this way because you're a federal employee. I feel the same way. I can't just set up a server at my house and start using it for all my work emails.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

The worst agency on transparency during Hillary Clinton’s last two years at State? State.

The Center for Effective Government (formerly OMB Watch) just published its 2015 report on government agencies' Freedom of Information Act compliance. (That's the law that allows anyone to petition for communication and research on particular topics, and is meant to ensure transparency in government.)

In the report, which looks at data from 2013, no agency fares worse than the State Department, whose leadership changed hands from Hillary Clinton to John Kerry that year. But the State Department also came in dead last on transparency in the CEG report looking at 2012 — the last year of a Clinton tenure that we now know included the use of a private e-mail system that apparently prevented her official communication from being accessible.

"The State Department deserves special attention for its very low score," the report covering 2012 points out. "In addition to performing poorly on measures of timeliness, it did not do well on withholding (only 25 percent of requests fully granted)." In the most recent report, looking at the year Clinton left, the critique is nearly as strong. "The Department of State score (37 percent) was particularly dismal," it reads at one point. On processing requests, the "State Department was a serious outlier," it says. "While 65 percent of its requests were simple, only eight percent were processed within the required 20 days. The State Department had the second-largest request backlog and the third-lowest rate of fully-granted requests."

The CEG also notes that the State Department has "some of the most outdated regulations in the scorecard." Only four agencies, not including State, had updated regulations since amendments to FOIA were passed in 2007.

Over the course of our reporting on Clinton's e-mails, we've noted that her private e-mail system would have introduced another level of difficulty for anyone filing a FOIA request to the agency. The extent to which her private e-mails were accessible to State FOIA officers — if at all — is unknown.

Coming from the agency with the worst rating on information accessibility two years in a row, it's perhaps understandable why that didn't raise any eyebrows.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/10/the-worst-agency-on-transparency-during-hillary-clintons-last-two-years-at-state-state/

 

[Fennis]

Are even those predisposed to vote for Hillary based on her party affiliation excited about her running?

We're supposed to be excited about candidates? I've been voting since 1988 and I don't recall being excited once.

Since 1988, I was excited once: when I voted for Obama in 2008. I learned that lesson.

 

[jonessed]

I'm surprised after all this time she was advised to basically come out and say she did it because it was convenient. Seems like a big middle finger to all of us peons.

We are going to use the NSA to violate your privacy in the interest of security, but it's cool for me to conduct top secret communications on my home brew namesake web server. I like my iPad and I can't be bothered with accommodating national security or this administration's policies.

I know a lot of people have anointed this woman as the next President, but she has always been tone deaf when it comes to connecting with the middle class. She's not nearly as likable as Obama and that's not going to be easy to overcome.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Are even those predisposed to vote for Hillary based on her party affiliation excited about her running?

We're supposed to be excited about candidates? I've been voting since 1988 and I don't recall being excited once.

Since 1988, I was excited once: when I voted for Obama in 2008. I learned that lesson.

Were you hoping for change?

 

[cstu]

Are even those predisposed to vote for Hillary based on her party affiliation excited about her running?

We're supposed to be excited about candidates? I've been voting since 1988 and I don't recall being excited once.

Since 1988, I was excited once: when I voted for Obama in 2008. I learned that lesson.

Obama has been a great President.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Now cmon this is funny...

https://twitter.com/StrokesofCandor/status/575601056102535169/photo/1

Deleter of the Free World.

De-leter. The leader? Great stuff. Edging into Sarah Palin territory here...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't think AP is letting go of this bone:

WASHINGTON (AP) — How Hillary Rodham Clinton's statements about her exclusive use of private email instead of a government account as secretary of state compare with the known facts:

CLINTON: "Others had done it."

THE FACTS: Although email practices varied among her predecessors, Clinton is the only secretary of state known to have conducted all official unclassified government business on a private email address. Years earlier, when emailing was not the ubiquitous practice it is now among high officials, Colin Powell used both a government and a private account. It's a striking departure from the norm for top officials to rely exclusively on private email for official business.

___

CLINTON: "I fully complied with every rule I was governed by."

THE FACTS: At the very least, Clinton appears to have violated what the White House has called "very specific guidance" that officials should use government email to conduct business.

Clinton provided no details about whether she had initially consulted with the department or other government officials before using the private email system. She did not answer several questions about whether she sought any clearances before she began relying exclusively on private emails for government business.

Federal officials are allowed to communicate on private email and are generally allowed to conduct government business in those exchanges, but that ability is constrained, both by federal regulations and by their supervisors.

Federal law during Clinton's tenure called for the archiving of such private email records when used for government work, but did not set out clear rules or punishments for violations until rules were tightened in November. In 2011, when Clinton was secretary, a cable from her office sent to all employees advised them to avoid conducting any official business on their private email accounts because of targeting by unspecified "online adversaries."

___

CLINTON: "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material."

THE FACTS: The assertion fits with the facts as known but skirts the issue of exchanging information in a private account that, while falling below the level of classified, is still sensitive.

The State Department and other national security agencies have specified rules for the handling of such sensitive material, which could affect national security, diplomatic and privacy concerns, and may include material such as personnel, medical and law enforcement data. In reviewing the 30,000 emails she turned over to the State Department, officials are looking for any security lapses concerning sensitive but unclassified material that may have been disclosed.

___

CLINTON: "It had numerous safeguards. It was on property guarded by the Secret Service. And there were no security breaches."

THE FACTS: While Clinton's server was physically guarded by the Secret Service, she provided no evidence it hadn't been compromised by hackers or foreign adversaries. She also didn't detail who administered the email system, if it received appropriate software security updates, or if it was monitored routinely for unauthorized access.

Clinton also didn't answer whether the homebrew computer system on her property had the same level of safeguards provided at professional data facilities, such as regulated temperatures, offsite backups, generators in case of power outages and fire-suppression systems. It was unclear what, if any, encryption software Clinton's server may have used to communicate with U.S. government email accounts.

Recent high-profile breaches, including at Sony Pictures Entertainment, have raised scrutiny on how well corporations and private individuals protect their computer networks from attack.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/floyd-memorial/Article_2015-03-10-US-DEM-2016-Clinton-Fact-Check/id-e4f158d7f92f4ec79387fbe957b0590e

That didn't take long.

AP SUES State Department:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5f35e25c77194546822769b2f9672fe3/ap-sues-state-department-seeking-access-clinton-records

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The FOIA requests and lawsuit seek materials related to her public and private calendars, correspondence involving longtime aides likely to play key roles in her expected campaign for president, and Clinton-related emails about the Osama bin Laden raid and National Security Agency surveillance practices.

"After careful deliberation and exhausting our other options, The Associated Press is taking the necessary legal steps to gain access to these important documents, which will shed light on actions by the State Department and former Secretary Clinton, a presumptive 2016 presidential candidate, during some of the most significant issues of our time," said Karen Kaiser, AP's general counsel. Said AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll, "The Freedom of Information Act exists to give citizens a clear view of what government officials are doing on their behalf. When that view is denied, the next resort is the courts."

Carroll said the AP intends to file additional requests using FOIA and other tools following the disclosure last week that Clinton used a private email account run on a server on her property outside New York while working at the State Department.

Specifically, AP is seeking copies of Clinton's full schedules and calendars from her four years as secretary of state; documents related to her department's decision to grant a special position to longtime aide Huma Abedin; related correspondence from longtime advisers Philippe Reines and Cheryl Mills, who, like Abedin, are likely to play central roles in a Clinton presidential campaign; documents related to Clinton's and the agency's roles in the Osama bin Laden raid and National Security Agency surveillance practices; and documents related to her role overseeing a major Defense Department contractor.

The AP made most of its requests in the summer of 2013, although one was filed in March 2010. AP is also seeking attorney's fees related to the lawsuit.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I know a lot of people have anointed this woman as the next President, but she has always been tone deaf when it comes to connecting with the middle class. She's not nearly as likable as Obama and that's not going to be easy to overcome.

She's not nearly as good at this as her husband, either. I have a very low of Bill too, but the guy is a naturally gifted politician. Hillary is more in the Mitt Romney / Michael Dukakis tier.

 

[Sweet J]

I know a lot of people have anointed this woman as the next President, but she has always been tone deaf when it comes to connecting with the middle class. She's not nearly as likable as Obama and that's not going to be easy to overcome.

She's not nearly as good at this as her husband, either. I have a very low of Bill too, but the guy is a naturally gifted politician. Hillary is more in the Mitt Romney / Michael Dukakis tier.

If I were to make a comparison, I actually think the Nixon comparison isn't that bad. Smart (brilliant?), determined, driven, so driven, politically ruthless, not that "likeable" but presentable enough.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I know a lot of people have anointed this woman as the next President, but she has always been tone deaf when it comes to connecting with the middle class. She's not nearly as likable as Obama and that's not going to be easy to overcome.

She's not nearly as good at this as her husband, either. I have a very low of Bill too, but the guy is a naturally gifted politician. Hillary is more in the Mitt Romney / Michael Dukakis tier.

If I were to make a comparison, I actually think the Nixon comparison isn't that bad. Smart (brilliant?), determined, driven, so driven, politically ruthless, not that "likeable" but presentable enough.

And also a heavy favorite when he ran.