Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

New campaign slogan for Clinton: Orange is the new Black

Maybe this is why Biden opted out at the last moment. He knew Clinton was headed to the pokey, and figured it was better to step in as a white Knight later, rather than get sullied by the Clinton machine now.

Far-fetched, but not the worst strategy, although there has to be deadlines that will be missed. Even if there were charges, Obama could pardon, but maybe wait until after she drops out.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Lucy always takes the football away right before Charlie Brown attempts to kick it no matter how many promises she makes to not do it. The Clintons always manage to avoid serious repercussions regardless of the validity of the scandal. Obama has already gone on record saying there was no criminal activity regarding her emails, the FBI isn't going to take her down. I'd love to be wrong but unlike CBrown I'm not getting suckered into trying to kick the ball again.

 

[jon_mx]

The story that has been over for months, continues to be widely reported, although mostly right-wing media running with it. There are a handful of others, but left-wing sources have significantly reduced their coverage post Bernie.

 

[jon_mx]

Lucy always takes the football away right before Charlie Brown attempts to kick it no matter how many promises she makes to not do it. The Clintons always manage to avoid serious repercussions regardless of the validity of the scandal. Obama has already gone on record saying there was no criminal activity regarding her emails, the FBI isn't going to take her down. I'd love to be wrong but unlike CBrown I'm not getting suckered into trying to kick the ball again.

There are reasons to be skeptical, but still an interesting story. It would take massive balls by the FBI to charge the leading candidate for presidency in the middle of an election as well as a former First Lady. That would be a historic move that would be hard to believe. But if there was ever a person it should happen to, it is Hillary who seems to walk a fine line between legal and illegal while pocketing a gazzilon dollars.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Lucy always takes the football away right before Charlie Brown attempts to kick it no matter how many promises she makes to not do it. The Clintons always manage to avoid serious repercussions regardless of the validity of the scandal. Obama has already gone on record saying there was no criminal activity regarding her emails, the FBI isn't going to take her down. I'd love to be wrong but unlike CBrown I'm not getting suckered into trying to kick the ball again.

I agree with this. My thought though is that in real life there are those in the intelligence community who despise what Hillary & Co. did, it stands against everything they work to do, which is protect the nation's secrets and the nation and my guess is there are those in the FBI who work in that arena who are sympathetic. The bet would be the DOJ doesn't indict her and they may even come out with a report clearing her. The release on Clapper reversing field on the TS/TK issue, then not when asked about it publicly, indicates this might be happening already. However the WH is loathe to have it look political (possibly unavoidable but they want it as minimal as possible) and they also won't leave it to the next administration. So timing is everything, But I do think the intelligence community and the investigators in the FBI or those around them will continue to leak details. It would not surprise me if somewhere in the bowels of the investigation an indictment is recommended but of course rejected at top, and either that fact could be leaked or just the details underlying it. I really don't think the intelligence community is going to take this lying down and they are experts at releasing information discreetly. This goes way back. Maybe the comparison is not appropriate but Mark Felt (aka 'Deep Throat') who was in the FBI is the one who drove the Watergate investigation and Nixon's resignation by releasing details to the Washington Post. If not for that, Nixon would have finished his term in 1977. I'm not saying that happens here, but if the intelligence community and their friends in the FBI's intel sector want to hit her even though there is no indictment they can do so. Stay tuned, it's a marathon.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Its unlikely that Hillary has actually spoken to the FBI - so its unlikely that she would be charged on the "lying" part - more likely is that 1 or 2 of her associates will have to fall on their sword over this.

You then have to deal with a politicized Justice Department - it seems far-fetched that they would bring these charges assuming the FBI could not make its primary case.

The real kicker will come when there are no charges, but the investigation results "leak" into the press - and "unnamed" sources in the FBI think Clinton should be charged.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think in all this time I recall one reporter asking Hillary if the FBI had interviewed her, and of course she ignored the question. I don't think they have interviewed her, which of course that gives her insulation as intended. She does have a perjury trap looming in federal court with her affidavit and that form she filled out but that's pretty technical stuff. I do think David Kendall could be on the line though. The delay in the FBI getting the server and having to hunt down the data points and nodes is probably not something they are too happy about.

 

[Poppa]

Hillary Clinton - the very embodiment of dirty, money-grubbing, pay-to-play politics.

Indictment - please let it be so...

 

[timschochet]

Yes of course, she should be indicted but she won't be because the FBI has become politicized under Obama. That must be it.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that the only politicized part of this is the source who leaked what is obviously misleading information to Fox News and other conservative sources?

 

[Sinn Fein]

One of the great ironies of this campaign cycle is that the DNC has tried its best to hide Clinton from the public by limiting debates, scheduling 2 for Saturday nights, and one just 6 days before Christmas - yet, the debate, and other publicized events have been Clinton's strongest moments in the campaign.

When she is left to her own devices, she remains stuck in quicksand, she is in the news for all the wrong reasons - the law of unintended consequences is fully in play here.

Of course, she probably could not have known that she would not have any professional debaters among her rivals - but still, be careful what you ask for...

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Yes of course, she should be indicted but she won't be because the FBI has become politicized under Obama. That must be it.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that the only politicized part of this is the source who leaked what is obviously misleading information to Fox News and other conservative sources?

Is it not politicized when the President conducts an interview and states there was no criminal activity associated with Hillary's email while his Justice Department is conducting an ongoing investigation?

 

[The Commish]

One of the great ironies of this campaign cycle is that the DNC has tried its best to hide Clinton from the public by limiting debates, scheduling 2 for Saturday nights, and one just 6 days before Christmas - yet, the debate, and other publicized events have been Clinton's strongest moments in the campaign.

When she is left to her own devices, she remains stuck in quicksand, she is in the news for all the wrong reasons - the law of unintended consequences is fully in play here.

Of course, she probably could not have known that she would not have any professional debaters among her rivals - but still, be careful what you ask for...

Lower your head and keep moving - DNC Establishment

 

[Kumerica]

Well conservatives have Common Core to kick around, and progressives have charter schools:

Hillary Clinton rebukes charter schoolsThe decades-long proponent of charters criticizes the schools for cherry-picking kids.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sounded less like a decades-long supporter of charter schools over the weekend and more like a teachers union president when she argued that most of these schools “don’t take the hardest-to-teach kids, or, if they do, they don’t keep them.”

Her comments in South Carolina came straight from charter school critics’ playbook and distanced her from the legacies of her husband, former President Bill Clinton — credited with creating a federal stream of money to launch charters around the country — and President Barack Obama, whose administration has dangled federal incentives to push states to become more charter friendly.


The change in tone on charter schools mirrors other moves Clinton has made to nail down the support of liberal blocs in the face of the progressive challenge of Bernie Sanders, including her recent decision to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership. And like her reservations about free trade, her new rebuke of charter schools suggests she’ll be less willing to challenge core Democratic constituencies than either her husband or Obama.

Teachers unions have been early and enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten, a noted opponent of many education reform efforts, is a longtime friend and informal adviser to her campaign. Unions say they aren’t anti-charter but often attack the schools, a majority of which employ teachers who aren't unionized, accusing them of siphoning off money from traditional public schools.


...In contrast, the Democratic advocacy group Education Reform Now posted a statement from Director Charles Barone, who wrote that Clinton’s recent comments were “highly disappointing and seemed to reinforce fears about how her endorsements from both major teachers unions would affect her K-12 platform.”...
Charters use public dollars but are run outside of the confines of many of the rules and regulations that apply to traditional public schools. Numbering more than 6,400 today — or about 7 percent of publicly funded schools — they have become especially popular in urban areas including New Orleans, Detroit and the District of Columbia. Many Republicans embrace charter schools.

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, there was a lone charter school in Minnesota, according to advocates. He helped create a grant program that provides seed money to open charters, providing hundreds of millions of dollars over the years and paving the way for thousands to open. As first lady, Hillary Clinton publicly applauded the program.

“The president believes, as I do, that charter schools are a way of bringing teachers and parents and communities together — instead of other efforts — like vouchers — which separate people out — siphon off much needed resources; and weakening the school systems that desperately need to be strengthened,” Hillary Clinton said at a 1998 White House meeting.

In 2011, Bill Clinton was honored with a lifetime achievement award from the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools.

Nina Rees, president of the Alliance, noted that Bill Clinton is considered “one of the thought leaders and early adopters of charter schools” and said her organization appreciates past support from the Clintons. But Rees said her organization takes issue with Clinton’s recent statement.

“The data points we have … demonstrate that we are serving the hardest to teach and in fact many of our school leaders are seeking precisely the hardest to teach students and doing a very good job of educating them,” Rees said.

In her 1996 book “It Takes a Village,” Clinton endorsed charters as just the kind of innovation that could overcome stifling bureaucracy and return control to parents and teachers.

“I favor promoting choice among public schools, much as the President’s Charter Schools Initiative encourages,” she wrote. “Federal funding is needed to break through bureaucratic attitudes that block change and frustrate students and parents, driving some to leave public schools.”

Three years later, she encouraged NEA members at a meeting in Orlando to support the charter school movement as a way to improve education broadly, noting the union had helped start some charters.

“And I'm very pleased that you have done this, because I think when we look back on the 1990s, we will see that the charter school movement led by experienced, committed, expert educators will be one of the ways we will have turned around the entire public school system,” she told the crowd. And Clinton noted her support of charters during her prior bid for president, such as during a chat with the Des Moines Register in 2007.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-charter-schools-education-215661#ixzz3rJsU5kG9

- Personally I find this disappointing, maybe because this is a very local issue. I guess I would have figured Hillary would hold the line on this one. As the article points out Hillary's support for charters dates back to the early 90s, and that's laudable. But no, it's another flipflop, but it's also sad, charter schools can make a great difference. One correction in the article above is that there are many Democrats in NO who embrace charter schools, they have been popular regardless of party or lack thereof. There is an entrenched political class who resent charter schools and the Recovery School District because of the loss of political power that happened when these schools were taken out of the local school board, which had been rent by years of corruption and abject failure.

Constructive criticism of recent charter school enrollment practices isn't the same thing as changing position on the very concept of charter schools writ large, or their benefits.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Well conservatives have Common Core to kick around, and progressives have charter schools:

Hillary Clinton rebukes charter schoolsThe decades-long proponent of charters criticizes the schools for cherry-picking kids.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sounded less like a decades-long supporter of charter schools over the weekend and more like a teachers union president when she argued that most of these schools “don’t take the hardest-to-teach kids, or, if they do, they don’t keep them.”

Her comments in South Carolina came straight from charter school critics’ playbook and distanced her from the legacies of her husband, former President Bill Clinton — credited with creating a federal stream of money to launch charters around the country — and President Barack Obama, whose administration has dangled federal incentives to push states to become more charter friendly.


The change in tone on charter schools mirrors other moves Clinton has made to nail down the support of liberal blocs in the face of the progressive challenge of Bernie Sanders, including her recent decision to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership. And like her reservations about free trade, her new rebuke of charter schools suggests she’ll be less willing to challenge core Democratic constituencies than either her husband or Obama.

Teachers unions have been early and enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten, a noted opponent of many education reform efforts, is a longtime friend and informal adviser to her campaign. Unions say they aren’t anti-charter but often attack the schools, a majority of which employ teachers who aren't unionized, accusing them of siphoning off money from traditional public schools.


...In contrast, the Democratic advocacy group Education Reform Now posted a statement from Director Charles Barone, who wrote that Clinton’s recent comments were “highly disappointing and seemed to reinforce fears about how her endorsements from both major teachers unions would affect her K-12 platform.”...
Charters use public dollars but are run outside of the confines of many of the rules and regulations that apply to traditional public schools. Numbering more than 6,400 today — or about 7 percent of publicly funded schools — they have become especially popular in urban areas including New Orleans, Detroit and the District of Columbia. Many Republicans embrace charter schools.

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, there was a lone charter school in Minnesota, according to advocates. He helped create a grant program that provides seed money to open charters, providing hundreds of millions of dollars over the years and paving the way for thousands to open. As first lady, Hillary Clinton publicly applauded the program.

“The president believes, as I do, that charter schools are a way of bringing teachers and parents and communities together — instead of other efforts — like vouchers — which separate people out — siphon off much needed resources; and weakening the school systems that desperately need to be strengthened,” Hillary Clinton said at a 1998 White House meeting.

In 2011, Bill Clinton was honored with a lifetime achievement award from the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools.

Nina Rees, president of the Alliance, noted that Bill Clinton is considered “one of the thought leaders and early adopters of charter schools” and said her organization appreciates past support from the Clintons. But Rees said her organization takes issue with Clinton’s recent statement.

“The data points we have … demonstrate that we are serving the hardest to teach and in fact many of our school leaders are seeking precisely the hardest to teach students and doing a very good job of educating them,” Rees said.

In her 1996 book “It Takes a Village,” Clinton endorsed charters as just the kind of innovation that could overcome stifling bureaucracy and return control to parents and teachers.

“I favor promoting choice among public schools, much as the President’s Charter Schools Initiative encourages,” she wrote. “Federal funding is needed to break through bureaucratic attitudes that block change and frustrate students and parents, driving some to leave public schools.”

Three years later, she encouraged NEA members at a meeting in Orlando to support the charter school movement as a way to improve education broadly, noting the union had helped start some charters.

“And I'm very pleased that you have done this, because I think when we look back on the 1990s, we will see that the charter school movement led by experienced, committed, expert educators will be one of the ways we will have turned around the entire public school system,” she told the crowd. And Clinton noted her support of charters during her prior bid for president, such as during a chat with the Des Moines Register in 2007.

...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-charter-schools-education-215661#ixzz3rJsU5kG9

- Personally I find this disappointing, maybe because this is a very local issue. I guess I would have figured Hillary would hold the line on this one. As the article points out Hillary's support for charters dates back to the early 90s, and that's laudable. But no, it's another flipflop, but it's also sad, charter schools can make a great difference. One correction in the article above is that there are many Democrats in NO who embrace charter schools, they have been popular regardless of party or lack thereof. There is an entrenched political class who resent charter schools and the Recovery School District because of the loss of political power that happened when these schools were taken out of the local school board, which had been rent by years of corruption and abject failure.

Constructive criticism of recent charter school enrollment practices isn't the same thing as changing position on the very concept of charter schools writ large, or their benefits.

Ah ye olde' Clinton nuanced triangulation.

Criticize charter schools for being discriminatory while still supporting charter schools. Natch.

 

[squistion]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/13/morning-plum-hillary-clinton-appears-to-have-neutralized-the-bernie-sanders-threat/

Hillary Clinton appears to have neutralized the Bernie Sanders threat

For months, the punditrys core assumption about the Democratic presidential primary has been that Bernie Sanders authenticity and unabashedly robust agenda to combat inequality pose serious threats to Hillary Clinton. The underlying idea has been that Clintons aura of triangulatory (is that a word?) centrism would cause serious skepticism among liberal Democratic voters, and any Clinton efforts to move to the left would risk seeming inauthentic, unprincipled, and superficial in comparison to Sanders.

Todays New York Times/CBS News poll seriously undermines this assumption. The poll shows Clinton leading Sanders by 52-33 among Democratic primary voters nationally.

And it also finds that Clinton has effectively tied Sanders or leads him among Democratic voters on the issues that were supposed to give him the advantage:

Among Democratic voters, a total of 84 percent are either very confident (39) or somewhat confident (45) in Clinton to make the right decisions about the economy. For Sanders, the total is 68 percent (32 percent very confident and 36 percent somewhat confident).

Among Democratic voters, a total of 67 percent are either very confident (25) or somewhat confident (42) in Clintons ability to help reduce the gap between the rich and poor. For Sanders, the total is 64 percent (30 percent very confident and 34 percent somewhat confident).

Among Democratic voters, a total of 70 percent are either very confident (30) or somewhat confident (40) in Clintons ability to make the right decisions when it comes to regulating large banks and financial institutions. For Sanders, the total is 65 percent (29 percent very confident and 36 percent somewhat confident).

Among Democratic voters, 62 percent say Clinton "could bring about real change in the way things are done in Washington," while 51 percent say that about Sanders.

That last finding cuts against Sanders argument that he is the candidate who is not aligned with the establishment and thus is the one who represents genuine change. Meanwhile, Clinton has rolled out her own plan for regulating Wall Street but has stopped short of calling for the big banks to be broken up. (Paul Krugman has nonetheless argued that she has the better case on Wall Street reform.) And she is expected to roll out a tax plan that does not target the wealthy to the degree Sanderss plan is expected to. Yet Democratic primary voters trust her marginally more than Sanders on all these questions involving inequality, Wall Street, and the economy.

All this is in spite of the fact that Sanders holds an edge over Clinton on "authenticity." While only 52 percent of Democratic voters say Clinton "says what she believes," 62 percent say that about Sanders. Todays poll raises questions about how much "authenticity" really matters.

The usual caveats: This is only one poll. (Though another recent poll showed similar results.) There are more debates to come, at which Clinton could commit a major error. There could be new revelations about Clintons emails. And while Clinton appears to have solidified her lead in Iowa, it remains possible that Sanders could pull off an upset there, which, followed by a Sanders victory in New Hampshire, would seriously shake up the remaining contests. But its looking increasingly like Clinton may be on her way to neutralizing the most potent aspects of the Sanders threat.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think Bernie himself and Joe's staying out neutralized the Bernie threat a couple weeks ago.

 

[Tom Servo]

The FBI has expanded its investigation of Hillary Clinton’s private email server and is now looking into whether “materially false” statements were given to federal agents, Fox News is reporting.

Sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News that agents are focusing on U.S. Code 18, Section 1001 which governs “materially false” statements made in writing, orally or through a third party. The section could apply to Clinton, her aides or her attorneys if they made any misleading or false statements about her emails which caused federal agents to expend more resources and time on the investigation.

Violations of the code are punishable by up to five years in prison.

“This is a broad, brush statute that punishes individuals who are not direct and fulsome in their answers,” Timothy Gill, a former FBI agent who worked in the agency’s national security branch, told Fox News.

Why does the FBI hate Hillary?

Related.

Several tech companies who had a hand in maintaining or storing Hillary Clinton's private email server are refusing to cooperate with congressional committees investigating the matter.

The firms are supplying the FBI with documents and other information but have cited client confidentiality laws that they say prevent them from giving several committees access to information on the server.

The Homeland Security Committee is especially interested in the information that could be supplied by tech companies because the committee is investigating whether the server was breached by hackers and sensitive information exposed.

Apparently those wascally Wepublicans hate her too.

 

[Tom Servo]

Well conservatives have Common Core to kick around, and progressives have charter schools:

Hillary Clinton rebukes charter schools

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-charter-schools-education-215661#ixzz3rJsU5kG9

- Personally I find this disappointing, maybe because this is a very local issue. I guess I would have figured Hillary would hold the line on this one. As the article points out Hillary's support for charters dates back to the early 90s, and that's laudable. But no, it's another flipflop, but it's also sad, charter schools can make a great difference. One correction in the article above is that there are many Democrats in NO who embrace charter schools, they have been popular regardless of party or lack thereof. There is an entrenched political class who resent charter schools and the Recovery School District because of the loss of political power that happened when these schools were taken out of the local school board, which had been rent by years of corruption and abject failure.

And where did Chelsea go to school? The ultra-exclusive SIdwell Friends School:

The Clintons' decision to remove Chelsea from public schooling and send her to Sidwell Friends School, a private school in Washington, D.C., drew criticism.[8]

School choice for me, but not for thee!!!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Well conservatives have Common Core to kick around, and progressives have charter schools:

Hillary Clinton rebukes charter schools

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-charter-schools-education-215661#ixzz3rJsU5kG9

- Personally I find this disappointing, maybe because this is a very local issue. I guess I would have figured Hillary would hold the line on this one. As the article points out Hillary's support for charters dates back to the early 90s, and that's laudable. But no, it's another flipflop, but it's also sad, charter schools can make a great difference. One correction in the article above is that there are many Democrats in NO who embrace charter schools, they have been popular regardless of party or lack thereof. There is an entrenched political class who resent charter schools and the Recovery School District because of the loss of political power that happened when these schools were taken out of the local school board, which had been rent by years of corruption and abject failure.

And where did Chelsea go to school? The ultra-exclusive SIdwell Friends School:

The Clintons' decision to remove Chelsea from public schooling and send her to Sidwell Friends School, a private school in Washington, D.C., drew criticism.[8]

School choice for me, but not for thee!!!

And then there's that....

 

[Tom Servo]

Hillary proposes turning coal mines into farms and dot coms.

Clinton's sweeping plan, which would pull from a variety of existing federal pots and establish new programs and grants, would train coal miners in new fields, install broadband Internet access infrastructure, repurpose coal mines and power plants for new tech manufacturing or agriculture, preserve revenue directed at public schools, electrify existing dams and expand renewable energy permits on federal land.

Just how does one "repurpose" a coal mine?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary proposes turning coal mines into farms and dot coms.

Clinton's sweeping plan, which would pull from a variety of existing federal pots and establish new programs and grants, would train coal miners in new fields, install broadband Internet access infrastructure, repurpose coal mines and power plants for new tech manufacturing or agriculture, preserve revenue directed at public schools, electrify existing dams and expand renewable energy permits on federal land.

Just how does one "repurpose" a coal mine?

In an effort to ease that transition, Clinton’s plan would make sure retirees get their benefits when coal companies file for bankruptcy, specifically protecting against the use of those proceedings to short-change workers on their health care and pension contracts. Clinton would also expand those protections to power plant and transportation workers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-coal_56449c92e4b08cda34878b5d

Basically telling Americans she plans to put them out of work.

 

[Tom Servo]

Hillary proposes turning coal mines into farms and dot coms.

Clinton's sweeping plan, which would pull from a variety of existing federal pots and establish new programs and grants, would train coal miners in new fields, install broadband Internet access infrastructure, repurpose coal mines and power plants for new tech manufacturing or agriculture, preserve revenue directed at public schools, electrify existing dams and expand renewable energy permits on federal land.

Just how does one "repurpose" a coal mine?

In an effort to ease that transition, Clinton’s plan would make sure retirees get their benefits when coal companies file for bankruptcy, specifically protecting against the use of those proceedings to short-change workers on their health care and pension contracts. Clinton would also expand those protections to power plant and transportation workers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-coal_56449c92e4b08cda34878b5d

Basically telling Americans she plans to put them out of work.

Perhaps those unemployed coal miners can get free internet so they can Neflix and chill?

 

[squistion]

Hillary proposes turning coal mines into farms and dot coms.

Clinton's sweeping plan, which would pull from a variety of existing federal pots and establish new programs and grants, would train coal miners in new fields, install broadband Internet access infrastructure, repurpose coal mines and power plants for new tech manufacturing or agriculture, preserve revenue directed at public schools, electrify existing dams and expand renewable energy permits on federal land.

Just how does one "repurpose" a coal mine?

In an effort to ease that transition, Clintons plan would make sure retirees get their benefits when coal companies file for bankruptcy, specifically protecting against the use of those proceedings to short-change workers on their health care and pension contracts. Clinton would also expand those protections to power plant and transportation workers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-coal_56449c92e4b08cda34878b5dBasically telling Americans she plans to put them out of work.

How horrible, because there is such a future in coal mining.

 

[timschochet]

Eventually all of those coal mines are going to be shut down. It's a dying way of life. At least Hillary is trying to think ahead. More power to her IMO.

 

[The Commish]

Pretty pathetic that the gov't is being blocked by privacy laws from finding out if any of their property is being withheld....only in America.

 

[The Commish]

Eventually all of those coal mines are going to be shut down. It's a dying way of life. At least Hillary is trying to think ahead. More power to her IMO.

Isnt' there like 100ish years worth of coal left on the planet? I think the US has a quarter or so of that. Eventually? Sure....long after Clinton, you and I are dead and gone.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary proposes turning coal mines into farms and dot coms.

Clinton's sweeping plan, which would pull from a variety of existing federal pots and establish new programs and grants, would train coal miners in new fields, install broadband Internet access infrastructure, repurpose coal mines and power plants for new tech manufacturing or agriculture, preserve revenue directed at public schools, electrify existing dams and expand renewable energy permits on federal land.

Just how does one "repurpose" a coal mine?

In an effort to ease that transition, Clintons plan would make sure retirees get their benefits when coal companies file for bankruptcy, specifically protecting against the use of those proceedings to short-change workers on their health care and pension contracts. Clinton would also expand those protections to power plant and transportation workers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-coal_56449c92e4b08cda34878b5dBasically telling Americans she plans to put them out of work.

How horrible, because there is such a future in coal mining.

I'm not against clean energy or people wanting clean energy. I'm a big proponent of recycling. I wish the state of Louisiana protected its coast and was aggressive with the oil companies. I just don't think government should be actively driving an industry or industries down and forcing people out of work.

It's not unlike the TPP where our government is telling its own people that they will be losing jobs because of this agreement. Tough luck, the government just sold you down the river but hey there will be a government check at the end. It's sad and sick, government should be protecting jobs and expanding work opportunities, not killing them.

 

[Sand]

Yes of course, she should be indicted but she won't be because the FBI has become politicized under Obama. That must be it.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that the only politicized part of this is the source who leaked what is obviously misleading information to Fox News and other conservative sources?

Not the FBI. Specifically the AJ office has become incredibly politicized. One of the more shameful things to happen in the last 7 years.

 

[timschochet]

Eventually all of those coal mines are going to be shut down. It's a dying way of life. At least Hillary is trying to think ahead. More power to her IMO.

Isnt' there like 100ish years worth of coal left on the planet? I think the US has a quarter or so of that. Eventually? Sure....long after Clinton, you and I are dead and gone.

I believe that if we are to save the planet from the effects of climate change, we need to move away from coal long before the supply runs out.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yes of course, she should be indicted but she won't be because the FBI has become politicized under Obama. That must be it.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that the only politicized part of this is the source who leaked what is obviously misleading information to Fox News and other conservative sources?

Not the FBI. Specifically the AJ office has become incredibly politicized. One of the more shameful things to happen in the last 7 years.

That's a good point. I don't think anyone's made the argument that the intelligence community or the FBI investigators will be politicized or have been. I think the opposite point is being made, that they will do the job that they've been assigned but political decisions could be made at a higher level in State, intelligence agencies and DOJ.

 

[The Commish]

Eventually all of those coal mines are going to be shut down. It's a dying way of life. At least Hillary is trying to think ahead. More power to her IMO.

Isnt' there like 100ish years worth of coal left on the planet? I think the US has a quarter or so of that. Eventually? Sure....long after Clinton, you and I are dead and gone.

I believe that if we are to save the planet from the effects of climate change, we need to move away from coal long before the supply runs out.

I think we all know that won't happen. I actually agree, but there are some areas of the world that will use it til it runs out. Even if we had a 180 shift in thinking by the global community, where we're at vs where we need to be is going to be a 50 year change best I can tell. From the political lens, she can say these things. None of the people on Wall Street work in these mines, so there's no harm in saying them. Those people aren't voting for her anyway.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The FBI has expanded its investigation of Hillary Clinton’s private email server and is now looking into whether “materially false” statements were given to federal agents, Fox News is reporting.

Sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News that agents are focusing on U.S. Code 18, Section 1001 which governs “materially false” statements made in writing, orally or through a third party. The section could apply to Clinton, her aides or her attorneys if they made any misleading or false statements about her emails which caused federal agents to expend more resources and time on the investigation.

Violations of the code are punishable by up to five years in prison.

“This is a broad, brush statute that punishes individuals who are not direct and fulsome in their answers,” Timothy Gill, a former FBI agent who worked in the agency’s national security branch, told Fox News.

Why does the FBI hate Hillary?

Related.

Several tech companies who had a hand in maintaining or storing Hillary Clinton's private email server are refusing to cooperate with congressional committees investigating the matter.

The firms are supplying the FBI with documents and other information but have cited client confidentiality laws that they say prevent them from giving several committees access to information on the server.

The Homeland Security Committee is especially interested in the information that could be supplied by tech companies because the committee is investigating whether the server was breached by hackers and sensitive information exposed.

Apparently those wascally Wepublicans hate her too.

Here's the Politico report:

...Platte River Networks, the Denver-based tech company that housed Clinton's server after she left the State Department in 2013, has declined requests by the Senate Homeland Committee to interview five employees about the security of the system, according to correspondence reviewed by POLITICO.


And Platte is blocking another tech company, Connecticut-based Datto Inc., from answering committee questions about its cloud backup of the Clinton emails, according to a separate letter Datto sent the committee.

...Clinton on Sept. 5 said she “would very much urge anybody who is asked to cooperate to do so” after news broke that a top tech assistant, Bryan Pagliano, would take the Fifth and refuse questions from a House committee. And on Oct. 6, a McClatchy report quoted Datto’s attorney saying it had permission from representatives of Clinton and Platte River to cooperate with the FBI investigation.

- I think this might be more in line with Pagliano taking the Fifth actually. Platte and Datto haven't been called to testify so taking the Fifth doesn't come into play, but it amounts to the same thing in a way.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In a similar vein...

Teneo, firm with Clinton ties, declines to answer Senate questionsTeneo, a global consulting firm with ties to White House contender Hillary Clinton, has dismissed a U.S. Senate panel's suggestion that it had undue influence at the State Department when Clinton was the top U.S. diplomat, calling its work in Washington "insignificant" in a letter.

The Republican-led Senate Judiciary Committee has been investigating since 2013 whether Teneo had improper access to the highest levels of U.S. government while Clinton, the favorite to become the Democratic Party's presidential nominee, was secretary of state.

In its letter, a copy of which was given to Reuters by the committee, Teneo declined to help with most of the panel's queries, including questions about a previously unreported three-hour meeting at the consulting firm's office in 2012 with Cheryl Mills when she was chief of staff to Clinton at the State Department.

Founders and other workers at Teneo have also worked for the Clintons, the State Department, the Clinton Foundation or a combination of the three. Teneo describes itself as "a global advisory firm that partners exclusively with the CEOs and senior leaders of many of the world’s largest and most complex companies and organizations."

...

Clinton has dismissed such suggestions as baseless smears for political gain.

Teneo came under scrutiny by the Judiciary Committee as part of its investigation into whether there were any ethics rules broken by the State Department when it granted a waiver to Huma Abedin, who was one of Clinton's closest aides at the department, to earn income outside the government.

Abedin is now vice chair of Clinton's campaign.

...

The committee's chairman, Republican Senator Charles Grassley, has contended it may have been inappropriate to use the waiver for Abedin as she already worked for the government when the application was made; he also said she worked under that status for longer than the designation permits.

The letter from Grassley to Teneo also asked about the three-hour meeting between Mills and officials at Teneo's New York City offices in June 2012.

That meeting, along with emails involving Teneo officials and Clinton's aides at the State Department, may undermine the assertion by Abedin and others that Teneo had no business before the State Department, which could present conflicts of interests.

The meeting appears on Mills' State Department schedules obtained by the committee, but the schedules do not describe its purpose or other participants. The meeting happened a few weeks after Abedin was granted the waiver, and about a month before she started working for Teneo, but it is not clear whether this subject arose.

Kelly's letter declined to address that meeting along with most of the other questions posed by Grassley, citing a possible conflict with its cooperation with a similar inquiry into Abedin's employment by the State Department's inspector general.

He also declined to address Grassley's questions on whether Teneo ever had business before the State Department, whether on its own behalf or on behalf of a client.

...

James Olecki, Teneo's chief operating officer, declined to answer questions about the firm's meeting with Mills or the committee's broader queries.

...

Before Teneo, Kelly was appointed by Clinton in 2009 to be the U.S. special envoy to Northern Ireland. He left that role in 2011 around the same time he co-founded Teneo with Doug Band, a former close aide to Bill Clinton who also played a founding role in the Clinton Foundation, and Paul Keary.

Teneo sells advice about investments, management, recruitment and public relations to organizations that have included Coca-Cola, FIFA, Dow Chemical and other entities that have interests before the U.S. government.

The firm touts its connections with powerful figures. Part of its contract signed in 2012 with Dow, for example, was to provide "access to and key relationships as well as connection with key influencers," according to documents obtained by Reuters.

...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/06/us-usa-election-clinton-teneo-idUSKCN0SV05M20151106

 

[Rove!]

I think Bernie himself and Joe's staying out neutralized the Bernie threat a couple weeks ago.

Bernie's "damn emails" comment was him forfeiting any shot at the nomination.

He's just around to make Hillary seem younger and more moderate by comparison. He was never a serious candidate.

 

[Rove!]

Hillary proposes turning coal mines into farms and dot coms.

Clinton's sweeping plan, which would pull from a variety of existing federal pots and establish new programs and grants, would train coal miners in new fields, install broadband Internet access infrastructure, repurpose coal mines and power plants for new tech manufacturing or agriculture, preserve revenue directed at public schools, electrify existing dams and expand renewable energy permits on federal land.

Just how does one "repurpose" a coal mine?

She's a lunatic

It seems any viable candidate is either stupid or bat#### crazy...

 

[Rove!]

Yes of course, she should be indicted but she won't be because the FBI has become politicized under Obama. That must be it.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that the only politicized part of this is the source who leaked what is obviously misleading information to Fox News and other conservative sources?

Not the FBI. Specifically the AJ office has become incredibly politicized. One of the more shameful things to happen in the last 7 years.

This is why we used to have an independent counsel law; but both major parties made it a priority to make that process unpopular...

 

[RBM]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

 

[The General]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

As much as I do any of these other people. It's really about who the President puts in positions to help them and I think she would do fine in that regard.

 

[The Commish]

So why hasn't Clinton and/or her staff made deals with everyone to get data flowing? She could absolve them of any liability in the interest of getting things moving right? If this server thing was for mere convenience this shouldn't be a problem

 

[Sinn Fein]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

I hate to admit it, but she has the biggest balls of anyone running for the job in either party. No doubt in my mind she would be considering tactical nukes right now.

 

[HellToupee]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

Mon Oct 5, 2015 9:05am EDTU.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Monday said removing President Bashar al-Assad is the top priority in Syria.

Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/us-usa-election-clinton-syria-idUSKCN0RZ1C020151005#JLQ8ptmzQvT6KAWK.99

 

[timschochet]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

Absolutely yes. And I feel confident right now with President Obama in charge. Republicans scare me on this issue and make me feel unsafe, to be honest.

 

[squistion]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

I hate to admit it, but she has the biggest balls of anyone running for the job in either party. No doubt in my mind she would be considering tactical nukes right now.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

I hate to admit it, but she has the biggest balls of anyone running for the job in either party. No doubt in my mind she would be considering tactical nukes right now.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste

Point of fact: ideologically, she's an interventionist. That is one thing she has not flipflopped on.

 

[squistion]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

I hate to admit it, but she has the biggest balls of anyone running for the job in either party. No doubt in my mind she would be considering tactical nukes right now.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste

Point of fact: ideologically, she's an interventionist. That is one thing she has not flipflopped on.

And you also think she would be considering tactical nukes?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

I hate to admit it, but she has the biggest balls of anyone running for the job in either party. No doubt in my mind she would be considering tactical nukes right now.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste

Point of fact: ideologically, she's an interventionist. That is one thing she has not flipflopped on.

And you also think she would be considering tactical nukes?

No, I don't.

But all you have to do is read Hillary's Iraq War floor speech to know what she would do to ensure that dangerous elements don't get WMD.

 

[RBM]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

Absolutely yes. And I feel confident right now with President Obama in charge. Republicans scare me on this issue and make me feel unsafe, to be honest.

Republicans scare you? You say some insane stuff Tim.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

Absolutely yes. And I feel confident right now with President Obama in charge. Republicans scare me on this issue and make me feel unsafe, to be honest.

Hillary has advocated, supported or been involved in:

• Bombing of Serbia
• Supplying arms and bombing in Libya, and actual bombing/strafing of its president in his overthrow
• Bombing in Yemen
• Bombing in Sudan
• Iraq War

She has also said she considers the Iranians her "enemies", no Republican or other Democrat has said anything like that.

 

[Eephus]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

Absolutely yes. And I feel confident right now with President Obama in charge. Republicans scare me on this issue and make me feel unsafe, to be honest.

Hillary has advocated, supported or been involved in:

• Bombing of Serbia
• Supplying arms and bombing in Libya, and actual bombing/strafing of its president in his overthrow
• Bombing in Yemen
• Bombing in Sudan
• Iraq War

She has also said she considers the Iranians her "enemies", no Republican or other Democrat has said anything like that.

On the other hand, her years at Foggy Bottom have given her experience with the protocols of national security and diplomacy. The other candidates would have advisors of course and hopefully the sense to listen to them.

 

[Widbil83]

Say this crap today happened over here, you supporters feel confident with grandma in charge?

Absolutely yes. And I feel confident right now with President Obama in charge. Republicans scare me on this issue and make me feel unsafe, to be honest.

How exactly does a guy who comapred ISIS to a JV basketball team two years ago and literally said yesterday morning that ISIS was contained instill confidence in you?