Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

I do not want to be a flame thrower so i will try and frame this as best I can. The video I am going to link is hard to watch. The event looks like it is in a HS gym and not all that crowded to see Mr Clinton speak. I don't know the city so maybe the whole town is there. 

I think the fellow speaking out went too far, should have more respect for his former Commander in Chief. I also understand the frustration of him and his friend who ends up getting tossed. It looks like a bad event for Bill to be speaking at. And that also was a wake up call. Trump doesn't enter a building that isn't packed with 5,000-10,000+ people. It almost looks like a book of the month club. 

I credit Bill for trying to talk to them. The headline made it seem like Clinton got angry with these two people but I didn't feel that in the video at all. 

I guess I'm not posting this as a smack on Clinton as much to all politicians, the veterans are angry. My brother is a vet and works for the VA in DC, he's trying so hard to make things happen, people who have served in the last 10-15 years over in the ME are getting the shaft a lot, it's not fair. Regardless of how you feel about Bush, the ME, Obama, it shouldn't get int he way of Veterans having an easier time trying to get medical attention they desperately need. And much of it is psychological and because that cannot always be measured, many don't understand the suffering these folks endure long after the bullets are done flying around them. 

Bill Clinton heckled

I will give Bill some credit here, he was respectful towards the Marine and didn't want him ejected. And I have respect towards the soldier as we all should be, and I think he was well within his rights. Reality is though political rallies really are not completely unlimited, you can't get up and just dominate things indefinitely. As much as people hate it that's true at Trump rallies too, eventually you have to sit down or move on. I wouldn't mind hearing Bill's response but it's cut off.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I think even Hillary supporters would admit she mucked up Benghazi big-time, both pre- and post.  Understandable anger.  I thought Bill handled it as graciously as he could, but this sort of thing, the Black Lives Matter stuff...it's the consequence of Hillary's poor judgment and putting politics first.

What?  Even reasonable conservatives like IK admit that Benghazi was nothing more than political nonsense.  I'm surprised to see that you've bought into a widely debunked right wing conspiracy theory.  

I have no idea what you're talking about re: Black Lives Matter.  Are you buying into the Fox News spin on that issue as well?  

 

[RBM]

I don't think she mucked up Benghazi at all. 

In those debates when Trump presents the fact that she knowingly lied to the families of the victims while standing over their coffins the millions of Americans watching that don't follow politics other than Aug-Nov every 4 years are going to be see exactly what she is and how she has no business getting anywhere near the presidency. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/02/26/hillary-emails-clinton-personally-oversaw-corrections-to-glowing-wapo-profile-hailing-her-libya-war-role/

Another example of Hillary being sleazy Hillary, scheming to take all the credit and drive journalists' content.

Breitbart?  LOFL

C'mon dude.  You're a good poster. I have no idea whyTF you have so much hatred for Hillary that you'd start resorting to posting smears from well known right wing crackpot sites.  

These are the documents the blog links to. Ok what in your opinion is going on here?

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_Feb19thWeb/08633FEB19/DOC_0C05787006/C05787006.pdf

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_Feb19thWeb/08633FEB19/DOC_0C05787006/C05787006.pdf

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_OctWeb/247/DOC_0C05794798/C05794798.pdf

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_OctWeb/247/DOC_0C05794818/C05794818.pdf

Here's the current version of the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hillarys-war-how-conviction-replaced-skepticism-in-libya-intervention/2011/10/28/gIQAhGS7WM_story.html

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/02/26/hillary-emails-clinton-personally-oversaw-corrections-to-glowing-wapo-profile-hailing-her-libya-war-role/

Another example of Hillary being sleazy Hillary, scheming to take all the credit and drive journalists' content.

Breitbart?  LOFL

C'mon dude.  You're a good poster. I have no idea whyTF you have so much hatred for Hillary that you'd start resorting to posting smears from well known right wing crackpot sites.  

These are the documents the blog links to. Ok what in your opinion is going on here?

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_Feb19thWeb/08633FEB19/DOC_0C05787006/C05787006.pdf

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_OctWeb/247/DOC_0C05794798/C05794798.pdf

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_OctWeb/247/DOC_0C05794818/C05794818.pdf

Here's the current version of the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hillarys-war-how-conviction-replaced-skepticism-in-libya-intervention/2011/10/28/gIQAhGS7WM_story.html

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tommy for example in this email Hillary complains that WaPo didn't show everything she had done to drive the Libyan intervention.

However later on Philippe Reines points out that actually the writer did no independent research but actually got all of her information from Jake Sullivan.

You agree with this, right? This is actually Hillary and her aides speaking here.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tommy btw who is "Evergreen"?

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_OctWeb/247/DOC_0C05794818/C05794818.pdf

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Obama's Libya Debacle



How a Well-Meaning Intervention Ended in Failure

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/libya/obamas-libya-debacle




- Foreign Affairs.

Good piece. This is the "debacle" Hillary was politicking WaPo to get more credit for in April 2012.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tommy here is the Blumenthal email to Hillary that BB quoted:

“...you should of course make a public statement before the cameras wherever you are, even in the driveway of your vacation house ... You must go on camera. You must establish yourself in the historical record at this moment. … The most important phrase is: ‘successful strategy.’ ”

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_SeptemberWeb/O-2015-08633-185/DOC_0C05782163/C05782163.pdf

- Thoughts?

 

[timschochet]

In those debates when Trump presents the fact that she knowingly lied to the families of the victims while standing over their coffins the millions of Americans watching that don't follow politics other than Aug-Nov every 4 years are going to be see exactly what she is and how she has no business getting anywhere near the presidency. 

RBM I like you and I think you're a smart guy, but I also believe you're being duped here by partisan sources. There are no facts that Hillary deliberately lied to any family members of victims. Not only is it a completely false and unproven accusation, it's also one that never made a whole lot of sense in the first place. 

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'm not qualified to speak for the black community, but why do they feel obligated to support someone who backed a policy which is almost solely responsible for unjustly locking away predominantly black males for inordinate amounts of time? On the other hand, Sanders has consistently proven that he has their backs yet he's largely ignored. It's sort of like a cow voting for a farmer and telling Peta to #### off. 

 

[BeaverCleaver]

RBM I like you and I think you're a smart guy, but I also believe you're being duped here by partisan sources. There are no facts that Hillary deliberately lied to any family members of victims. Not only is it a completely false and unproven accusation, it's also one that never made a whole lot of sense in the first place. 

You are so clueless on this. She flat out lied to them and it was disgraceful. Keep you head in the sand Tim. 

 

[timschochet]

 

[timschochet]

Exit polls: 7 out of 10 SC Democratic voters believe Hillary is honest- that's a higher percentage than for Bernie. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

RBM I like you and I think you're a smart guy, but I also believe you're being duped here by partisan sources. There are no facts that Hillary deliberately lied to any family members of victims. Not only is it a completely false and unproven accusation, it's also one that never made a whole lot of sense in the first place. 

The thing I find weird now is that the victims' families claim that Hillary told them that the movie was behind the deaths and that the movie maker was at fault.

And when asked about that now and by Congress last summer Hillary says she did not say any such thing, that she said it was a terrorist attack.

But if she didn't tell the families that, and if she didn't tell the American people that (i.e. that it was a movie), then what is she defending in terms of what she thought at the time if she now claims she knew it was a militia/terror attack the whole time.

Tim, has she ever claimed the movie was at the base of the attack?

i know you've read a lot on this, thanks for the guidance.

 

[MaxThreshold]

You are so clueless on this. She flat out lied to them and it was disgraceful. Keep you head in the sand Tim. 

He's not the only one.  There is a whole cadre of Hillary supporters in here willingly keeping their heads in the sand.

 

[tommyGunZ]

LOL at the Clintons being solely responsible for the black improsonment problem.  That's nonsense.  

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

What?  Even reasonable conservatives like IK admit that Benghazi was nothing more than political nonsense.  I'm surprised to see that you've bought into a widely debunked right wing conspiracy theory.  

I have no idea what you're talking about re: Black Lives Matter.  Are you buying into the Fox News spin on that issue as well?  

You are the expert on political nonsense

 

[The Commish]

Closest we'll see to a smoking gun.  I've said this multiple times in this thread and will gladly admit my error if I'm wrong -- but it just doesn't compute to me why State would have stalled until the eve of Super Tuesday instead of getting everything out of the news cycles earlier unless there's something there they didn't want voters to see before the votes are cast on that important day.  There will be something pretty bad IMO -- but it won't be fully digested until too late for voters to consider by Tuesday.  

Call me out if I'm wrong...  May take until late next week to find it...  But my guess is it's there.

Edit:  Even possible it's already out there from this last batch--something like that redacted Blumenthal email referring to satellite imagines.  Something that State knows is directly in the bullseye of inexcusable felony.  It's there somewhere.  Which is why staffers and already being set up to take the hit.  It's so shockingly predictable and corrupt and -- so Hillary -- it amazes.

Remind us again why State would stall this until Super Tuesday?

 

[SameSongNDance]

LOL at the Clintons being solely responsible for the black improsonment problem. That's nonsense.

The three strikes law is one of the biggest debacles in modern history. There are black people serving life sentences for minor non-violent offenses (like stealing a $3 pair of socks). It's a national embarrassment that Bill put into motion and Hillary made easier to swallow with the whole "super predators" shtick. It's extremely fair to question why Hillary should garner any percentage of the black vote let alone the majority. 

 

[The Commish]

Fortunately most Democrats don't think so, as will be evidenced by how well she does in SC and on Super Tuesday. 

I would rank SC as useful a national gauge for Hillary's approval as I'd use NH a useful gauge for Bernie.  To be clear....not very useful at all.

 

[Willie Neslon]

The three strikes law is one of the biggest debacles in modern history. There are black people serving life sentences for minor non-violent offenses (like stealing a $3 pair of socks). It's a national embarrassment that Bill put into motion and Hillary made easier to swallow with the whole "super predators" shtick. It's extremely fair to question why Hillary should garner any percentage of the black vote let alone the majority. 

Especially when her opponent has been fighting for racial equality for 50 years, even dragged away and arrested while protesting school segregation. It's mindboggling.

 

[The Commish]

Actually I don't!  The same way I don't see how you discussing something, or being offered the opportunity to discuss something other than macro economics is particularly scandalous.  

You don't what?

What's subject to FIOA request is driven specifically by how it was transmitted, not the content of what was transmitted.  We are entitled to request any data we want that flows through the federal network.  There are three exceptions I believe.  National security, personal privacy and a vague police category I don't know much about.  We don't have a right to information on private formats used.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Exit polls: 7 out of 10 SC Democratic voters believe Hillary is honest- that's a higher percentage than for Bernie. 

For those who thought honesty was most important, how did they vote?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

You are so clueless on this. She flat out lied to them and it was disgraceful. Keep you head in the sand Tim. 

When you say something derogatory, do it like The Donald and tell Tim you love him afterwards.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

You don't what?

Take pleasure accurately pointing to today and Tuesday as the key indicator of this race way back in early August.  Worst yet I take no pleasure in calling Trump exactly the kind of candidate that does well in Republican presidential politics at about the same time.   I take no pleasure in being more or less correct that there is nothing really unique about this election cycle.  I really hoped I was just a doubter and that there wasn't a ceiling for liberalism.  I so badly wanted to be wrong.  Doesn't look good right now!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Reading b/w lines so far sounds like a bigger than expected blowout for Clinton tonight.  Like 67/33 or so.

 

[TripItUp]

Reading b/w lines so far sounds like a bigger than expected blowout for Clinton tonight.  Like 67/33 or so.

Hillary is the Dem nominee, exactly what the Republicans want to see. 

 

[timschochet]

Hillary is the Dem nominee, exactly what the Republicans want to see. 

Oh I rather doubt that. 

 

[MaxThreshold]

Oh I rather doubt that. 

meh.  Both "A vote for Hillary is a vote for a lying, dishonest and corrupt snake" or "a vote for Bernie is a vote for Socialism" are fantastic slogans for the GOP.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I doubt Republicans are pulling for Hillary, but I also doubt they're especially worried about facing her either.  She's definitely not a historically strong candidate.

And they've got bigger fish to fry on their own side of the aisle right now.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Tommy for example in this email Hillary complains that WaPo didn't show everything she had done to drive the Libyan intervention.

However later on Philippe Reines points out that actually the writer did no independent research but actually got all of her information from Jake Sullivan.

You agree with this, right? This is actually Hillary and her aides speaking here.

I think I'm missing something.  What am I supposed to be outraged about here?

 

[Guest]

Exit polls: 7 out of 10 SC Democratic voters believe Hillary is honest- that's a higher percentage than for Bernie. 

They also think she has a Southern accent.  

 

[timschochet]

Hillary with an overwhelming victory in South Carolina. 

 

[MaxThreshold]

They also think she has a Southern accent.  

And that she was shot at by snipers.  And a video started Benghazi.

 

[jon_mx]

These southern states are where Hillary's biggest advantage is in this race.  Hillary wil do well today and will have a good day on Tuesday.  Bernie needs to do well in the non-southern states.  But after Tursday, the southern states will be mostly done.  So watch the other states before declaring Bernie dead. 

 

[timschochet]

Hillary is going to beat Bernie by a bigger margin than Bernie beat Hillary in New Hampshire. Huge, decisive victory. 

 

[timschochet]

Well, the firewall held. 

 

[timschochet]

These southern states are where Hillary's biggest advantage is in this race.  Hillary wil do well today and will have a good day on Tuesday.  Bernie needs to do well in the non-southern states.  But after Tursday, the southern states will be mostly done.  So watch the other states before declaring Bernie dead. 

The southern states, including South Carolina, are how Obama beat Hillary. This was always her firewall. She is also currently leading in Massachusetts. If she wins there, it's over. (It's probably over now.) 

 

[TripItUp]

Oh I rather doubt that. 

So you are ignoring her unfavorable scores?

 

[timschochet]

So you are ignoring her unfavorable scores?

She's more favorable than your likely candidate. 

 

[timschochet]

84% of black voters! 

 

[tommyGunZ]

Hillary beat Bernie among young voters in SC.  

This thing is ovah.

 

[jon_mx]

The southern states, including South Carolina, are how Obama beat Hillary. This was always her firewall. She is also currently leading in Massachusetts. If she wins there, it's over. (It's probably over now.) 

This is one state.  So much over reacting.  

 

[hagmania]

Well, the firewall held. 

Yep, sucks tbh, whole lot to overcome Bernie with so little infrastructure. Grassroots is fn hard.

 

[TripItUp]

She's more favorable than your likely candidate. 

That's a diversion.

Yes or no, the Republicans want Hillary to be the nominee?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Yep, sucks tbh, whole lot to overcome Bernie with so little infrastructure. Grassroots is fn hard.

Dude, you guys are putting up a fantastic fight considering the odds.  Do not let your head hang - you and the entire Sanders campaign should be proud.

 

[timschochet]

This is one state.  So much over reacting.  

I don't think so. Look at these numbers. Remember all that talk about black people not energized to vote for Hillary? 

 

[hagmania]

Nah, my head's not hanging! Just feel a lot of others' will.

 

[lod01]

84% of black voters! 

....and if she becomes president, this is what she will do for them: NOTHING.