Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (10 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

Must be the pantsuits.

Tim has already donated 10 pairs of crotchless panties to her campaign.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Am I the only one who thinks of Mom from Futurama when she talks?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Things keep getting worse.

Old white dudes at Florida golf club hate Hillary.

Quite a scoop you got there, Sparky.

 

[Warsteinner]

Tim has already donated 10 pairs of crotchless panties to her campaign.

:X

Odds a razor has ever seen that snatch?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

What does that article say Hillary discussed?

In the context of the question (or at least how I understood the question)

Technological problems included the State Department's unclassified email system, too.

The department's technology is "so antiquated that NO ONE uses a State-issued laptop and even high officials routinely end up using their home email accounts to be able to get their work done quickly and effectively," policy chief Anne-Marie Slaughter laments in 2011.

Mills describes how hackers tried to get into her account, but says, "I am not sure we want to telegraph how much folks do or don't do off state mail b/c it may encourage others who are out there."

I doubt very many "home email accounts" were on private servers if that is where you are going.

 

[RCon]

Maybe as the head of the department, she should have done something about the antiquated technology? Nah, always someone else's fault.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Maybe as the head of the department, she should have done something about the antiquated technology? Nah, always someone else's fault.

Yes, or maybe addressed this overclassification issue that she is now hanging her hat on. Instead she prosecuted whistleblowers and sloppy spillers to the max.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Defending her?  No.  However we know that Powell was one during his term.  We also know that Hillary discussed this in several emails.

In the context of the question (or at least how I understood the question)

I doubt very many "home email accounts" were on private servers if that is where you are going.

Technological problems included the State Department's unclassified email system, too.

The department's technology is "so antiquated that NO ONE uses a State-issued laptop and even high officials routinely end up using their home email accounts to be able to get their work done quickly and effectively," policy chief Anne-Marie Slaughter laments in 2011.

Mills describes how hackers tried to get into her account, but says, "I am not sure we want to telegraph how much folks do or don't do off state mail b/c it may encourage others who are out there."

Well I was wondering what Hillary said in her own emails about secure technology. - eta - I do think I recall an email along those lines...

What I recall about Mills (or maybe Abedin) was her telling State IT that Hillary didn't know how to work a computer at all.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Fox News Verified account ‏@FoxNews


Catherine Herridge: "A judge has ruled that @StateDept officials, incl. Clinton's top aides, will be questioned under oath about the server"

 

[Smack Tripper]

Still waiting to hear about any government officials, there are several according to Hillary, who had a personal email server in their home....

 

[RBM]

I find her sexy as all get out. 

Least surprising thing I've ever read from you. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Still waiting to hear about any government officials, there are several according to Hillary, who had a personal email server in their home....

Did she say that?

Some people are living fast and loose then. Bring it to light. Hillary The Whsitleblower, new role. Maybe they'll give her the protection she never gave others.

 

[RBM]

Things keep getting worse.

Old white dudes at Florida golf club hate Hillary.

####in racist lowlifes!!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

####in racist lowlifes!!

MSNBC sought out a group of older white men dressed for an afternoon golf game for their take on the 2016 race in a Tuesday segment in Florida...

Asked by MSNBC anchor Thomas Roberts who they like in the presidential race, a man clad in a striped polo, baseball hat, and sunglasses responded...

This is courageous reporting.

 

[RBM]

 

[jon_mx]

:X

Odds a razor has ever seen that snatch?

See, these are the kind of hard hitting questions that you would get answers for in the Republican debates.  

 

[Smack Tripper]

Did she say that?

Some people are living fast and loose then. Bring it to light. Hillary The Whsitleblower, new role. Maybe they'll give her the protection she never gave others.

Just for you saintsy... I'm rewatching last nights town hall on Fox to type verbatum what she had to say:

Baier: I've heard others say that neither you nor your lawyers have been been apprised that you are a target of the investigation, is that true

HC: absolutely true

Baier: Have you or your lawyers been apprised that any members of your current or former staffs are targets of the current investigation?

Hillary: Absolutely not

Baier: At the time that you and your staff deleted nearly 32,000 emails, about half of the total volume,  were you aware that the server was going to be sought by federal authorities?

Hillary: No... but  let me, let me, clarify this, because you know there's MUCH misinformation going around here and let me just start with the basic facts... I have said, that it wasn't the best choice to use a personal email, it was a mistake, however I am not alone in that, many people in the government, past and current, have.. on occasion or as a practice, done the same. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Has anyone looked at what Hillary has on her webpage with regard to health care?  She's all over the place.  I was under the impression (because it's her exact words from debates) that she wanted to "tweak" Obamacare.  She has everything from making small changes to full on "public option" (which would be a complete replacement of what's there now).  Lot's of promises on the page, but no details around how she plans on paying for it.  Has she talked about the funding part of her healthcare proposal?

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

There is nothing "all over the place" about it.  Not sure how she pays or it and most things are vague and some things are really vague, but the goals are pretty much straight forward incremental changes to the ACA.

Let me rewrite it-

• fix the “family glitch”  (where when an employee can obtain an affordable plan for themselves via their employer, but a family plan is not which leaves everyone in the family ineligible for tax credits)
  
• cap exchange premiums to 8.5 percent of their income using the existing "premium assistance"  - this seems to be only for those currently receiving these credits.  Ideally these would apply to everyone in the individual market based on a "benchmark plan" but it doesn't sound like it goes that far.
  
• create a new tax credit (I assume for those ineligible for CSR) to offset a portion of excessive out-of-pocket and premium costs above 5% of their income of up to $5,000 per family
  
• allow any state still holding out that signs up for the Medicaid expansion to receive a 100 percent match for the first three years
  
• She will invest $500 million per year in an aggressive enrollment campaign to ensure more people enroll in these extremely affordable options.   (Note the is a mention of Navigators roles here
  
• Allow immigrant families who want to purchase health insurance should be able to buy it on the exchanges
  
• To support and encourage states that set up Basic Health Plans (BHPS) such as New York and Minnesota have that are authorized via waivers by the ACA as sort of  "public option" at the state level, or a Medicaid Plus
  
• Still pursue the longer term goal of a true "public option"
  
• Continue the move from FFS payment arrangements 
  
• Higher Medicare telehealth reimbursements in rural areas  
  
• Vague notions of curtailing drug prices
  
• Vague notions of curtailing ESI cost sharing  (deductible, copays, and employee share)
  
• Defend access to contraception and abortion.
  

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Just for you saintsy... I'm rewatching last nights town hall on Fox to type verbatum what she had to say:

Baier: I've heard others say that neither you nor your lawyers have been been apprised that you are a target of the investigation, is that true

HC: absolutely true

Baier: Have you or your lawyers been apprised that any members of your current or former staffs are targets of the current investigation?

Hillary: Absolutely not

Baier: At the time that you and your staff deleted nearly 32,000 emails, about half of the total volume,  were you aware that the server was going to be sought by federal authorities?

Hillary: No... but  let me, let me, clarify this, because you know there's MUCH misinformation going around here and let me just start with the basic facts... I have said, that it wasn't the best choice to use a personal email, it was a mistake, however I am not alone in that, many people in the government, past and current, have.. on occasion or as a practice, done the same. 

She says that many people in the government have done the same and used a personal email..

 

[Smack Tripper]

She says that many people in the government have done the same and used a personal email..

She is responding to a question about the server and she's an attorney who understands language and the precision therein.

When she chooses to fillet her detractors and opponents over precise verbiage, she can't feign ignorance when presented with the same. 

 

[eoMMan]

It's funny that this thread is now 479 pages and the majority of the posts are from Clinton haters..

 

[jon_mx]

She is responding to a question about the server and she's an attorney who understands language and the precision therein.

When she chooses to fillet her detractors and opponents over precise verbiage, she can't feign ignorance when presented with the same. 

Yep.  Another Clinton in the White House means we will have to parse down every quote to figure out what they really mean.  Even the word 'is' gets parsed down.  

 

[fruity pebbles]

It's funny that this thread is now 479 pages and the majority of the posts are from Clinton haters..

Thats cause the majority hates her

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

She is responding to a question about the server and she's an attorney who understands language and the precision therein.

When she chooses to fillet her detractors and opponents over precise verbiage, she can't feign ignorance when presented with the same. 

Her precise works were (per you) 

"I have said, that it wasn't the best choice to use a personal email, it was a mistake, however I am not alone in that, many people in the government, past and current, have.. on occasion or as a practice, done the same."

As to the private server she answered that question with a simple "no" before pivoting to her point.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It's funny that this thread is now 479 pages and the majority of the posts are from Clinton haters..

Tim, Squistron, and shonuff dominate the Trump threads.  

 

[Smack Tripper]

Her precise works were (per you) 

"I have said, that it wasn't the best choice to use a personal email, it was a mistake, however I am not alone in that, many people in the government, past and current, have.. on occasion or as a practice, done the same."

As to the private server she answered that question with a simple "no" before pivoting to her point.

true Clinton speak.  For the record, she made no delineation to indicate the pivot you're proposing.  I'm using her words, which apparently are no longer sufficient to indicate her thoughts and intentions.  So the absolute best case scenario, is that she's being deliberately deceptive to a reasonable direct question.

But giving you, and her,  the benefit of the doubt, we are aware of officials who have done this "on occasion".  Who has done this as a practice as she indicates?  Have any other officials indicated that they use an alternate email as a practice?  Has she identified any that have?  Who are these people?  Would the FBI be interested in knowing about them, for a "security review" ?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In the context of the question (or at least how I understood the question)

I doubt very many "home email accounts" were on private servers if that is where you are going.

BFS thanks for the follow up. Btw here's the email, you're right Hillary was on this one.

However - few of the officials likely emailed classified info on the scale Hillary did, and I also seriously doubt (as you allude to) having unencrypted home built servers backed up in apartment bathrooms up thousands of miles away would really be a suggested solution. Also they're obviously talking hardware here not anti-hacking measures.

I talked to Cheryl about this. She says a problem is hrc does not know how to use a computer to do email – only bb [Blackberry] ...

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/JW-v.-State-Hillary-computer-00689.pdf

I doubt she ever got that computer lesson. Most probably Hillary was on her Blackberry and just stayed on it.... and her iPhone and her iPad ... but never made the move to CPU. My guess is she hated relying on an SSO or even hated going into her SCIF. Hillary truly could not be "inconvenienced" to be secure.

This might also account for all the "Pls print" emails. Here's an email where Blumenthal isn't even sure Hillary can open an attachment. It's part GTS (Grandma Technology Syndrome), part arrogance.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just for you saintsy... I'm rewatching last nights town hall on Fox to type verbatum what she had to say:

Baier: I've heard others say that neither you nor your lawyers have been been apprised that you are a target of the investigation, is that true

HC: absolutely true

Baier: Have you or your lawyers been apprised that any members of your current or former staffs are targets of the current investigation?

Hillary: Absolutely not

Baier: At the time that you and your staff deleted nearly 32,000 emails, about half of the total volume,  were you aware that the server was going to be sought by federal authorities?

Hillary: No... but  let me, let me, clarify this, because you know there's MUCH misinformation going around here and let me just start with the basic facts... I have said, that it wasn't the best choice to use a personal email, it was a mistake, however I am not alone in that, many people in the government, past and current, have.. on occasion or as a practice, done the same. 

Thanks! I appreciate the effort.

Well we know at least two cabinet secretaries - including Holder - have been caught at it including using fake names in doing so. For Hillary going by "H" and HRC# which are both unsearchable unless you know what to search for it wasn't much better.

But hey if she knows people are emailing classified information on unsecure lines she has a duty to blow the whistle on them and start naming names. I'm sure the IG's would be very interested.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

MI too close to call for the Dems right now...

 

[Captain Cranks]

I wouldn't say she strikes a chord with me, and I plan to vote Sanders in the primary because I think his message is important and deserves support. But I think it's silly to seek out "inspiration" from a presidential candidate anyway.  IMO that's not how the presidency works. 

This article about Obama's domestic policy achievements, which has been posted around here a few other times, makes the case that while the talking heads were yelling about winning political arguments and passing bills, he was quietly guiding important changes, often at the administrative level. I trust Hillary to continue most of that good work, because I generally agree with her on most policy issues and because she has extensive experience. 

As for foreign affairs, most of what we do there is reactive, not proactive, so experience is IMO more important that ideology. And Clinton clearly has the most experience of any person in the field, perhaps as much as any candidate in memory.  She's too hawkish for my tastes but only Sanders is to her left anyway (and maybe Trump depending on what day you ask him and what color the people he might kill are).

Bottom line:  I don't need to be inspired or have someone strike a chord with me.  I'm choosing someone to head our vast executive branch and make good informed decisions, not someone to convince me to finish my workout.

Your interpretation of "inspiring" is very narrow.  This should help you out in the future.  http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inspiring

 

[jon_mx]

Bernie Sanders is stronger in swing states.  Hillary is making a killing in GOP states.  

 

[squistion]

Tim, Squistron, and shonuff dominate the Trump threads.  

Squistron? I like that, blend of my handle with Megatron. Seems appropriate. 

Actually not really true in my case except in the Eminence Trump thread which was blackballed by the Trump supporters and came to me by default and I usually just post fun Trump stuff there.

Don't think you can get poster count per thread anymore, but I haven't posted much in Fubar's thread and posted hardly at all in SIDA's thread, respecting the wall until he admitted the whole thing was shtick.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Uh Sanders is up with 31% in in MI - 51/47.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Uh Sanders is up with 31% in in MI - 51/47.

Check book time

 

[timschochet]

It's up to Hillary to stop Donald Trump. None of the Republicans can do it. 

 

[squistion]

This bodes well for Hillary in the general election if she is facing Trump.

Nate SilverVerified account ‏@NateSilver538 39s39 seconds ago

Big gender gap in Michigan tonight:

Men: Trump 44, Cruz 23, Kasich 22

Women: Cruz 29, Trump 28, Kasich 26

http://53eig.ht/2216RIu

 

[The Commish]

Which is part of why I'm voting for him.  That said, there's very little difference between not explaining how you'll pay for your proposals and saying you'll pay for them with new taxes/closing tax loopholes.  If it was that easy to raise tax rates, impose new taxes and close loopholes it would have been done already to pay for an existing program.

It's only difficult because it requires these guys to stand up to corporate America and forego all the money they are having thrown at them.  They aren't exactly between a rock and a hard space.  It all depends on what drives the politician.

 

[Trey]

Bernie Sanders is stronger in swing states.  Hillary is making a killing in GOP states.  

Kinda like how Barack Obama won the nomination in 2008 isn't it?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This bodes well for Hillary in the general election if she is facing Trump.

Nate SilverVerified account ‏@NateSilver538 39s39 seconds ago

Big gender gap in Michigan tonight:

Men: Trump 44, Cruz 23, Kasich 22

Women: Cruz 29, Trump 28, Kasich 26

http://53eig.ht/2216RIu

Even better:

Pretty much negates one of Hillary's biggest flaws.

 

[Trey]

Uh Sanders is up with 31% in in MI - 51/47.

And he'll probably only lose 10-20 more delegates tonight. He's right on track!!

 

[cstu]

Mar 8
Michigan · 130 delegates
23% reporting
	
Votes
Bernie Sanders
	
51.1%
143,789

Hillary Clinton
	
47.0%
132,267

 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And he'll probably only lose 10-20 more delegates tonight. He's right on track!!

Ha, he killed her in KS & NE and ended up like 50/50 in delegates, crazy.

 

[Trey]

While the result is surprising based on the polling data (sanders did a great job there in the last 2 weeks clearly), it changes absolutely nothing. 

After tonight she will have expanded her delegate lead. 

One week from tonight she will do so again. 

 

[cstu]

Clinton Benefits From US Media’s Misleading Reporting Of Delegate Counts

True and accurate numbers are the following: after “Super Saturday,” Clinton has 663 pledged delegates. Sanders has 459 pledged delegates. Clinton needs 1,720 delegates to win. Sanders needs 1,924 delegates to win.

 

[Guest]

This bodes well for Hillary in the general election if she is facing Trump.

Because Trump is a strap on for men who feel powerless.  

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Ha, ok, let me know why when you get a chance. First of all Hillary's not claiming she declassed the State emails. Secondly (aside from her conversation with George Stephanopoulas) she's not even acknowledging she was to analyze their substance at all. It's more or less a "I don't do windows" defense, she seems to think that's for the little people.

I wonder if the disconnect between me and others is that most of you believe that the way that the classified information got into the emails is something like -

• Some intelligence agency gathers the information
  
• Creating a "classified document" with markings on the "classified network"
  
• Someone in the State Department.  maybe Hillary's aids or even Hillary went to the "secured system" and somehow, someway moved that information into an email
  
• Which was sent around on the unsecured email system in the government and out to (or in from) Hillary's private server
  
• Over the summer intelligence agency recognized the content was theirs and should have been classified all along
  

Or something close to this more or less.  The media seems to largely follow that flow.  In fact there was an article last week that more or less used the same flow in order to allow experts to speculate how the information was "moved".   This way creates more speculation, more things for the "experts" to talk about.

If this is the general flow that you (and others) think applies to the 2000 or so emails, then that is one of the reasons we were   over the notion of Hillary needing to declassify stuff.

I don't believe that the above is the case for most of these emails.  Maybe I'm completely wrong but I believe that evidence points that what happened was-

• Someone n the State Department relayed a piece of information that they were told directly or via a conference call/meeting etc.or just expressed an opinion on smenthing
  
• It was sent and possibly discussed via email 
  
• Over the summer during the FOIA request some employee decided that the content in these discussions fits the criteria for classification and that for the purposed of releasing to the public that they would err on the side of caution and redact the info
  

I believe there is exactly one email chain where Hillary instructs Sullivan to remove the markings from something and send it to her (i.e declassify it).  There are also two cases where intelligent agencies created affidavits along with support documents to show that the information seemed to be sourced from their classified system.  Which leads to the State saying that they believe it was "parallel sourced".    Other than that and I assume a few more exceptions it seems that the emails are "authoring" the information that is now classified.

Now in my scenario since the email contained no information sourced from any classified system the idea that anything needed to be declassified was absurd.  While in the first scenario for the email to be appropriate it would require being declassified.  Is this the disconnect?

Now you might argue that my version of what is going on is pretty much different than what anyone else is saying.  But I think I have done pretty good so far with such things.

 

[Guest]

Prediction algorithms are so good, based on polling data, that projecting what's going to happen nationwide is like a weather forecast three days out that says 90% chance of rain.  It's probably time to buy an umbrella, for Bernie.  

 

[squistion]

Joan Walsh ‏@joanwalsh 6m6 minutes ago

Joan Walsh Retweeted Keith Boykin

Ugh... https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/707395639559200768 …
Joan Walsh added,

Keith Boykin @keithboykin


Hillary Clinton is speaking live right now and CNN and MSNBC are busy showing Trump. pic.twitter.com/zUgh2Ly5d3






 

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[squistion]

Hadas Gold ‏@Hadas_Gold 6m6 minutes ago

Clinton wraps up. not one network popped in for a moment.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Joan Walsh ‏@joanwalsh 6m6 minutes ago

Joan Walsh Retweeted Keith Boykin

Ugh... https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/707395639559200768 …
Joan Walsh added,

Keith Boykin @keithboykin


Hillary Clinton is speaking live right now and CNN and MSNBC are busy showing Trump. pic.twitter.com/zUgh2Ly5d3






 

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