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Amazing - assistant US Attorney was disciplined by the DOJ a couple weeks ago for sending Sensitive But Unclassified (SBU) documents from work to her private email. This followed referral from the IG. 

Details of the prosecution have not been provided. However it involved draft pleadings concerning government properties.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_29570074/justice-dept-lawyer-admits-mishandling-government-records

Hillary's emails contain a couple hundred of these MARKED SBU type documents IIRC.

 
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:lmao:  It always funny when Squisy questions the sources that other use. 
And I will be laughing all the way to the bank after you pay our $100 bet when Hillary clinches the nomination without Obama endorsing either her or Sanders. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
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squistion said:
Daily Caller :lol:  

If that is your best authority for tea leaves not boding well for Hillary, her supporters have nothing to worry about.
I do not doubt that every political lever will be pulled to save Hillary, but you shouldn't doubt how disgusted and angry the entire Intelligence Community is and how absolutely thorough they are being.  They are passionate about finding everything hidden under every stone.  If you have political blinders on, you can't see that there's a process that is going to bite hard when it's told to stay.  She made huge mistakes and quite possibly violated laws.  If she did it will be discovered.  If she did she will be forced to own up or lie under oath. And the Intelligence Community will publically cry out and release every detail if she is let off for politics. 

I think you're deeply niave if you think this is all going to simmer before it boils over.

 
I do not doubt that every political lever will be pulled to save Hillary, but you shouldn't doubt how disgusted and angry the entire Intelligence Community is and how absolutely thorough they are being.  They are passionate about finding everything hidden under every stone.  If you have political blinders on, you can't see that there's a process that is going to bite hard when it's told to stay.  She made huge mistakes and quite possibly violated laws.  If she did it will be discovered.  If she did she will be forced to own up or lie under oath. And the Intelligence Community will publically cry out and release every detail if she is let off for politics. 

I think you're deeply niave if you think this is all going to simmer before it boils over.
Dude, I heard this constantly in the 90s during the Ken Starr investigations, "An indictment for Hillary is coming down any day now!" but for the Hillary haters the end result was always:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

And you can expect as encore to that when another investigation leads to no charges against Hillary.

 
What he tells people privately doesn't count. It has to be a specific public endorsement, otherwise Timmy, myself and some third poster (whose name escapes me at the moment) are all $100 richer.
Doesn't sound too private.

Also seems like this donor constituency is given higher priority than his actual one.

 
Really? It was true, wasn't it? Bush was the guy people want to sit down and have a beer with, while the perception of Al Gore was that he was aloof and elitist.
That's what you think of Bernie Sanders. Ok I'm gonna say that's an unfair, inappropriate and insulting comparison. Amazing what goes on.

 
That's what you think of Bernie Sanders. Ok I'm gonna say that's an unfair, inappropriate and insulting comparison. Amazing what goes on.
Sorry, that wasn't what I meant. Being authentic does not necessarily translate to being a good leader and that was the basic analogy/premise I was following. Ralph Nader came across as sincere and real also, but would have not made a good president.

 
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What a tenuous connection. So Sanders and Bush aren't #### politicians and that somehow makes them comparable.
I doubt Obama meant they were fully comparable, just that being down to earth doesn't always correlate with good leadership. We can't get him to clarify his off the record comments quoted from a second hand source, so we don't really know what exact point he was trying to make.

 
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Not THAT kind of endorsement :lol:




"Mr. Obama acknowledged that Mrs. Clinton is perceived to have weaknesses as a candidate, and that some Democrats did not view her as authentic."

Obama was really really really hoping Biden would run.  That is not something you say about someone you want to endorse.

 
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Really? It was true, wasn't it? Bush was the guy people want to sit down and have a beer with, while the perception of Al Gore was that he was aloof and elitist.
I'm not backing Sanders because I want to sit down and have a beer with him.  I'm backing him because I want to leave a doctor's visit under single-payer, go pick up my niece from publicly-funded post-secondary education, and drive the way home over the bridge that hasn't fallen down because it's been properly restored to full working order so I can go into my kitchen and get a glass of water that isn't full of lead and turn on my television that isn't underwater because global climate change hasn't yet sunk Louisiana.

 
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I have to say, and I realize it's a new paradigm perhaps, but Hillary doesn't strike me as being Presidential. 

Too much shrieking,  too easy to rattle under pressure,  too many things taken personally, awful with the press and generally awful connecting with the public. 
She is not very Presidential ... unless we are grading on a curve (comparing her to her likely opponent in the general). Grading on a curve is how elections work, though.

 
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I take Bush over sanders, we be taxed to death under the Berm, and why should I pay for everyone's college.  You want a free education join the Army and do something to earn it.
With this sort of logic, it appears you're consistent if anything, so there's that.  Not a big fan of the public school system??  Why not draw the line at 10 years?

 
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TBH that kind of mindset is why K-12 education funding is slashed every year.

A lot of people have the "why should my tax dollars pay for so and so" mindset. 

It's an American thing.

 
I take Bush over sanders, we be taxed to death under the Berm, and why should I pay for everyone's college.  You want a free education join the Army and do something to earn it.
Yeah!  I'm tired of my tax dollars going to other people's education.  You're telling me I have to pay for some spoiled little punk kid to go to kindergarten to learn how to write, and he gets nap time AND recess?!?!  On my dollar!??!  Join the army and earn it you little punk!

And don't even get me started on those socialist roads.  For thousands of years people survived fine without them.  You wanna get somewhere, walk or ride or horse you entitled brats!

 
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Dude, I heard this constantly in the 90s during the Ken Starr investigations, "An indictment for Hillary is coming down any day now!" but for the Hillary haters the end result was always:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

And you can expect as encore to that when another investigation leads to no charges against Hillary.
No parallels.  She mishandled classified information and it's a very big deal. Those who understand the impact understand that this is not some external conspiracy. But happened and it's very likely she lied and that those lies obscured substantive offenses.  At the least, best case, she's on extremely shaky ground and your sense it's going to blow over is zany.

 
I'm not backing Sanders because I want to sit down and have a beer with him.  I'm backing him because I want to leave a doctor's visit under single-payer, go pick up my niece from publicly-funded post-secondary education, and drive the way home over the bridge that hasn't fallen down because it's been properly restored to full working order so I can go into my kitchen and get a glass of water that isn't full of lead and turn on my television that isn't underwater because global climate change hasn't yet sunk Louisiana.
I'm actually right of Limbaugh & conservative to the max.  I agree with some of what you said with maybe a few caveats.  Not many, but a few.  Thank you & Happy St. Pat's.

 
I do not doubt that every political lever will be pulled to save Hillary, but you shouldn't doubt how disgusted and angry the entire Intelligence Community is and how absolutely thorough they are being.  They are passionate about finding everything hidden under every stone.  If you have political blinders on, you can't see that there's a process that is going to bite hard when it's told to stay.  She made huge mistakes and quite possibly violated laws.  If she did it will be discovered.  If she did she will be forced to own up or lie under oath. And the Intelligence Community will publically cry out and release every detail if she is let off for politics. 

I think you're deeply niave if you think this is all going to simmer before it boils over.
And if in the end the report states that despite looking under every stone there was no signs of any wrong doing or even any significant level of incompetence will those in the Intelligence Community say "our bad" ?  Are you even capable of imagining such an event?  

 
And if in the end the report states that despite looking under every stone there was no signs of any wrong doing or even any significant level of incompetence will those in the Intelligence Community say "our bad" ?  Are you even capable of imagining such an event?  
We already know there was a significant level of incompetence.  Having the server at all is a significant level of incompetence.  Having it completely unsecured for a stretch of time is an unforgivable level of incompetence.

 
Dude, I heard this constantly in the 90s during the Ken Starr investigations, "An indictment for Hillary is coming down any day now!" but for the Hillary haters the end result was always:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

And you can expect as encore to that when another investigation leads to no charges against Hillary.
Conversely we have been hearing this would go away quickly since the first week of March 2015.

Think back, we have seen: revelation that the emails were entirely deleted (and at one time believed wiped), the server seized, a criminal referral to the FBI by two IGs, an FBI investigation, Hillary's trust/honesty numbers drag her down (though not all the way) into a primary fight vs a supposed <10% candidate into March 2016, her IT guy pleading the 5th and taking immunity, Hillary submitting an affidavit to federal court, 50 FOIA cases being opened/reopened, the investigation repeatedly expand to three states, State, the Foundation and even Romania, Hillary being asked in a debate and in several interviews if she herself will be indicted, and over 30,000 emails produced via FOIA with over 2100 classified documents and something like 200 documents Secret or above including some Top Secret and even above Top Secret.

It's really been something.

 
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And if in the end the report states that despite looking under every stone there was no signs of any wrong doing or even any significant level of incompetence will those in the Intelligence Community say "our bad" ?  Are you even capable of imagining such an event?  
I find it doubtful given that there has been enough cause to assign 100-150 agents full time just in the FBI to the case.  I find it implausible that that effort, which was not politically motivated -- but instead instigated by a threat to National Security will conclude that there was no wrongdoing.  

 
Conversely we have been hearing this would go away quickly since the first week of March 2015.

Think back, we have seen: revelation that the emails were entirely deleted (and at one time believed wiped), the server seized, a criminal referral to the FBI by two IGs, an FBI investigation, Hillary's trust/honesty numbers drag her down (though not all the way) into a primary fight vs a supposed <10% candidate into March 2016, her IT guy pleading the 5th and taking immunity, Hillary submitting an affidavit to federal court, 50 FOIA cases being opened/reopened, the investigation repeatedly expand to three states, State, the Foundation and even Romania, Hillary being asked in a debate and in several interviews if she herself will be indicted, and over 30,000 emails produced via FOIA with over 2100 classified documents and something like 200 documents Secret or above including some Top Secret and even above Top Secret.

It's really been something.
:yawn:

 
I find it doubtful given that there has been enough cause to assign 100-150 agents full time just in the FBI to the case.  I find it implausible that that effort, which was not politically motivated -- but instead instigated by a threat to National Security will conclude that there was no wrongdoing.  
With every passing day it seems even more unlikely to me that there is anything of importance.   I think - The emails largely contained original content which falls under the categories which could be classified  but were still perfectly legitimate in a non secured setting to perform the more important  task of keeping key people informed.  The information was not copied from other systems, it never had markings, and it was Hillary's call - not that of the "intelligence community" as to its status during her tenure at State.  But, because it fits into the categories that could be classified it is now being marked as such before being made public for FOIA request.  Something that happens everyday.

Could I be wrong!  Of course!  But I think the simplest explanation usually works best.  Especially when the most damning e-mails are news paper articles.

 
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More here:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/JW-v-State-Hillary-BB-NSA-IAD-00646.pdf

Lots and lots redacted. - by the NSA.

Apparently this includes almost everything Cheryl Mills and Hillary said on the matter (p12).

However this remains - 3/11/09:

I shared with her the Secretary's comment that "she gets it."
Looks like the pushback continued but then by March Hillary relented.

Let's get back to your original point that Hillary must have been expecting classified information. Maybe that was a good point after all. I had taken you to mean that Hillary "should have known", which would have put it in the realm of negligence. But what if she "did know." One possibility is that she was expecting information that she did not want others to see. It seems to me this documentation displays pretty clearly that Hillary and her team were thoroughly briefed on the vulnerabilities of what they were about to do and yet they did it anyway.

eta - This appears to be the agency within the NSA Hillary was dealing with.

https://www.nsa.gov/ia/

 
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Copied and pasted:

Fitton said Clinton’s hubris could trip her. “Mrs. Clinton thinks she is above the law,” he told me. “Her dismissal of federal court orders is a prime example of the arrogance that has resulted in an FBI criminal investigation.”

Even Sullivan, a Clinton appointee, is scandalized by the secretary’s gall. “Here you have Mrs. Clinton and Abedin deciding, after neither Mrs. Clinton nor Ms. Abedin were government employees, what e-mails are federal records and what e-mails are not,” he said.

 
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More here:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/JW-v-State-Hillary-BB-NSA-IAD-00646.pdf

Lots and lots redacted. - by the NSA.

Apparently this includes almost everything Cheryl Mills and Hillary said on the matter (p12).

However this remains - 3/11/09:

Looks like the pushback continued but then by March Hillary relented.

Let's get back to your original point that Hillary must have been expecting classified information. Maybe that was a good point after all. One possibility is that she was expecting information that she did not want others to see. It seems to me this documentation displays pretty clearly that Hillary and her team were thoroughly briefed on the vulnerabilities of what they were about to do and yet they did it anyway.
She clearly didn't "get it."

 
Dude, I heard this constantly in the 90s during the Ken Starr investigations, "An indictment for Hillary is coming down any day now!" but for the Hillary haters the end result was always:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

And you can expect as encore to that when another investigation leads to no charges against Hillary.
One other thought on this - the age of electronic communication and data storage is very different. Hillary seems to be playing by old rules.

 
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