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lod01 said:
Hillary speech after today's losses: 'Who cares about Alaska, Hawaii and Washington. I don't need them and I'll deal with them once I am in office.'
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I think this means she has used up her campaign war chest.

If Hillary thought she and Bill were broke in 2008, wait until after this election :lmao:

 
Henry Ford said:
And given the momentum of the last week - in which Sanders has crushed his delegate demographic target for every state except AZ, it's not a fait accompli that Clinton goes in with a majority of the pledged delegates.  And if Bernie goes in with the majority, how do Clinton supporters feel about superdelegates switching for Bernie? Or going for Clinton, for that matter?
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If the person who earns a majority of pledged delegates doesn't get the nomination it will destroy the Democratic Party.

 
cstu said:
If the person who earns a majority of pledged delegates doesn't get the nomination it will destroy the Democratic Party.
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If Sanders gets the pledged delegates, he likely still won't get the nomination.  Should probably be prepared for that.

 
Henry Ford said:
Sure they will.  And that's what they're there for - to avoid what's happening with the Republicans right now.
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Superdelegates are designed to let the DNC push a front-runner and manipulate people through the media, but they have always sided with the candidate with the most pledged delegates.

Ultimately the power is in the hands of the people.

 
cstu said:
Superdelegates are designed to let the DNC push a front-runner and manipulate people through the media, but they have always sided with the candidate with the most pledged delegates.

Ultimately the power is in the hands of the people.
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They're designed to avoid a contested convention, they just get used to screw over grassroots candidates 

And the fact that they always have doesn't mean they always will.  Hope they do in this election, either way.

 
cstu said:
Bernie's magic number is 1,171 - or 56.5% of the remaining delegates.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html

The strange thing about this election is having a huge number of delegates (885) awarded the final week of the primaries (June 4-7).

If Bernie is within 100 delegates going into June he could pull it off.
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Plus, that chart still says he got 25 delegates from Washington.  A state with 101 pledged.  Where he got 72.7% of the vote.  

The AP, NYT, and LA times are still reporting that idiocy.

 
squistion said:
Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 47m47 minutes ago

So far, Bernie's beat his demographic targets by 34 delegates in caucuses but trailed them by 127 in primaries. http://53eig.ht/1PyVkY1

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 44m44 minutes ago


The problem for Sanders is that ~94% of the remaining delegates will be awarded in primaries. http://53eig.ht/1PyVkY1 
 
 
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race has been over for a while now to those who follow politics closely. It's amazing that otherwise smart folks in the Bernie thread ignore the reality.  

I guess the Bernie vapors are strong.  Which is a good thing in the long run, as we'll need them on board when Bernie endorses Hillary.  

 
bananafish said:
I used to wonder why people treated you so poorly as you seemed like a decent chap. Thanks for relieving me of that delusion.  :thumbup:
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He's a very solid guy. He just goes hyper all in on the homerism. It takes something undeniably catastrophic, like Chargers management, to put even the smallest kernel of doubt in his confidence in his team, much less admit it. It helps if you have a TGunz to objective person translator to run all his comments through. For instance, mine translates his above post into: "HRC is still the heavy favorite, and it's a less than 40% probability that Sanders can pull the upset. I appreciate the devotion of the intelligent folks in the Bernie thread. I hope that they'll be able to see that voting for HRC is the best option if she wins the Democratic nomination." It's like the lady in Airplane! who spoke jive, except it speaks TGunz.

 
tommyGunZ said:
race has been over for a while now to those who follow politics closely. It's amazing that otherwise smart folks in the Bernie thread ignore the reality.  

I guess the Bernie vapors are strong.  Which is a good thing in the long run, as we'll need them on board when Bernie endorses Hillary.  
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Come back to reality TG. Nothing is etched in stone. And momentum always matters.

 
I haven't been following the story closely, so excuse me if this seems rudimentary, but what happens if Clinton is indicted?  Can the Democratic party switch to Sanders as their nominee if she's already won the nomination?  

 
Captain Cranks said:
I haven't been following the story closely, so excuse me if this seems rudimentary, but what happens if Clinton is indicted?  Can the Democratic party switch to Sanders as their nominee if she's already won the nomination?  
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Without the superdelegates (which would surely switch if she was indicted), she would need 55% of the remaining pledged delegates. If she does get those then I'm not sure what they can do.

 
cstu said:
Without the superdelegates (which would surely switch if she was indicted), she would need 55% of the remaining pledged delegates. If she does get those then I'm not sure what they can do.
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Ask her to drop out to save the party?

Bahahaha. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

 
Dr Oadi said:
Hillary's email server "security review" continues. FBI to interview her. 

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-email-probe-20160327-story.html
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Interesting.  Love how those on record as saying she probably won't be indicted are predicting this on the presumption that she's telling the truth.  Yeah - I don't share that view and think she'll be forced to tell the truth (likely incriminating), take the 5th (political dagger), or lie and risk a perjury trap.  So unless the entire clan has agreed to lie together and all stick religiously to the script, she could be in real jeopardy.

 
Captain Cranks said:
I haven't been following the story closely, so excuse me if this seems rudimentary, but what happens if Clinton is indicted?  Can the Democratic party switch to Sanders as their nominee if she's already won the nomination?  
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Open convention and expect Joe Biden.

Otoh I'd also expect Hillary to fight on. I don't think they would stop and many people would follow her if she claimed it was all a conspiracy which she kind of does already.

 
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Dr Oadi said:
Hillary's email server "security review" continues. FBI to interview her. 

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-email-probe-20160327-story.html
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I keep backing up and saying no way in hell the WH lets Hillary be indicted. Since last spring. But the investigation just always moves forward. It is high drama time if Hillary is actually interviewed. It's serious enough if her aides are interviewed. The possibility for perjury seems real to me when Hillary cannot admit basic truths, horrible to think if she tries to ply them in a meeting with the FBI. These agents could very well be putting their careers on the line going up what may well be their next president. 

 
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This I think i a good article. I'm going to bookmark it actually.

A note about the author from the article, Chetan Hebbale:

Before I begin, I will say it really saddens me that her handling of this issue has marred what was an overall outstanding and inspirational political career. Her decades of accomplishments, while breaking gender boundaries in Washington, have inspired millions in America and around the world. But a scandal regarding her record-keeping practices could end her legacy prematurely, perhaps as soon as May. Right before she was expected to shatter one of the biggest ceilings in American history.
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This is indeed long, it's comprehensive and intelligent.

This work is deep.  I am proud to call this article is the most comprehensive summary and analysis of the Hillary Clinton email scandal *available on the Internet today* Read it all if you want. I’ve mostly written this for myself. The three most important issues I’ve highlighted in red in the table of contents below.
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As the man says:

Grab some coffee. Get comfortable. Here we go.
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And I love this:

Be curious. Ask questions. Think for yourself.
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- That's all I ever ask. Don't believe your politician, your radio show or podcast host, or any other pundit. Try to read the facts and handle your own decisions as one small power base in this the USA.

Anyway when someone asked for a good summary a while back it occurred to me just how there have been summaries of issues and events but never of the whole investigation. I think this might serve as one possible resource:

Do I Really Need to Worry About Hillary’s Emails? Yes. She Will Be Indicted. (Full Form)
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Clinton asks for $353K to sit with the Clooneys


t will cost more than four times the average income in San Francisco to have dinner next to Hillary Clinton and the Clooneys there next month.

For two seats at the head table with Clinton, George Clooney and his wife, attorney Amal Clooney, at an April 15 fundraiser, a couple must contribute or raise a whopping $353,400 — a huge ticket price for a hard-dollar fundraiser.
... While the maximum donation to a presidential campaign is $2,700 for the primary elections (plus another $2,700 for the general), the Hillary Victory Fund can accept much larger contributions because it is a so-called joint fundraising committee that is comprised of multiple committees. ...
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207#ixzz44AGDwqmH

- Apparently the Super-PAC's have Super-Pac's, we now have Mega-PAC's.
 
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Something is brewing, WaPo is also out with an article for Monday morning.

How Clinton’s email scandal took root
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html?tid=sm_tw

There is also this from WaPo:

The FBI is now trying to determine whether a crime was committed in the handling of that classified material. It is also examining whether the server was hacked.

One hundred forty-seven FBI agents have been deployed to run down leads, according to a lawmaker briefed by FBI Director James B. Comey. The FBI has accelerated the investigation because officials want to avoid the possibility of announcing any action too close to the election.
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- The fact this is a criminal investigation is way past settled. However with the report of an actual 147 agents (a pretty specific number) I think we can consider this issue confirmed and verified too.

I really cannot think of any report by Catherine Herridge which has not been proved out yet. The only one i can think of is confirmation that the Foundation is being investigated and we already know the IG subpoenaed documents from the Foundation so there's smoke and a spark if not an actual fire there yet.

- This is another long summary report, something is getting ready to either wind up or move to a new stage. Reporters are spilling what they have in advance.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Something is brewing, WaPo is also out with an article for Monday morning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html?tid=sm_tw

There is also this from WaPo:

- The fact this is a criminal investigation is way past settled. However with the report of an actual 147 agents (a pretty specific number) I think we can consider this issue confirmed and verified too.

I really cannot think of any report by Catherin Herridge which has not been proved out yet. The only one i can think of is confirmation that the Foundation is being investigated and we already know the IG subpoenaed documents from teh Foundation so there's smoke and a spark if not an actual fire there yet.

- This is another long summary report, something is getting ready to either wind up or move to a new stage. Reporters are spilling what they have in advance.
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It will be settled when someone from the FBI officially tells the public that this is a criminal investigation. Not before. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This I think i a good article. I'm going to bookmark it actually.

A note about the author from the article, Chetan Hebbale:

This is indeed long, it's comprehensive and intelligent.

As the man says:

And I love this:

- That's all I ever ask. Don't believe your politician, your radio show or podcast host, or any other pundit. Try to read the facts and handle your own decisions as one small power base in this the USA.

Anyway when someone asked for a good summary a while back it occurred to me just how there have been summaries of issues and events but never of the whole investigation. I think this might serve as one possible resource:
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Been reading this article for 20 minutes and I'm maybe a quarter through.  Seeing as I put in a 10 hour workday on Easter Sunday to get level for the coming week, I'm guessing I won't get through it by tomorrow.  Curious to hear thoughts. 

 
The State Department security officials were distressed about the possibility that Clinton’s BlackBerry could be compromised and used for eavesdropping, documents and interviews show.

After the meeting on Feb. 17 with Mills, security officials in the department crafted a memo about the risks. And among themselves, they expressed concern that other department employees would follow the “bad example” and seek to use insecure BlackBerrys themselves, emails show.

As they worked on the memo, they were aware of a speech delivered by Joel F. Brenner, then chief of counterintelligence at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, on Feb. 24 at a hotel in Vienna, Va., a State Department document shows. Brenner urged his audience to consider what could have happened to them during a visit to the recent Beijing Olympics.

“Your phone or BlackBerry could have been tagged, tracked, monitored and exploited between your disembarking the airplane and reaching the taxi stand at the airport,” Brenner said. “And when you emailed back home, some or all of the malware may have migrated to your home server. This is not hypothetical.”

At the time, Clinton had just returned from an official trip that took her to China and elsewhere in Asia. She was embarking on another foray to the Middle East and Europe. She took her BlackBerry with her.
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
In which Tim suggests that WaPo is making things up.

@timschochetthey filed a letter in federal court saying so - the FBI informed the court of "ongoing law enforcement activities."
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Why did you make up a quote that doesn't exist in the letter you linked? It says they are "working on matters related to Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server as Secretary of State" . No criminal investigation is mentioned. No law enforcement activities, whatever that means is mentioned. 

Hillary Clinton has claimed on her website that this is a standard probe as a result of the FOIA requests for emails which were later deemed classified by various agencies. There is no indication in that letter of anything other than that. 

 
timschochet said:
Why did you make up a quote that doesn't exist in the letter you linked? It says they are "working on matters related to Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server as Secretary of State" . No criminal investigation is mentioned. No law enforcement activities, whatever that means is mentioned. 

Hillary Clinton has claimed on her website that this is a standard probe as a result of the FOIA requests for emails which were later deemed classified by various agencies. There is no indication in that letter of anything other than that. 
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Tim what I quoted is in there, read it again.

@timschochet

Thus, while the FBI's response to you has changed to some degree due to these intervening events, we remain unable to provide the requested information without adversely affecting on-going law enforcement efforts.
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This is the full court filing so you can see the letter with pleading filing it with the court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/298604923/show-temp

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
Come back to reality TG. Nothing is etched in stone. And momentum always matters.
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20x as many people voted in Cook County Illinois than voted in the Hawaii and Alaska caucuses combined.  Bernie's broken serve once, in Michigan.  But Hillary regained serve by pummeling him in Ohio.  

Bernie ran a great campaign, and he's a great dude, but he isn't ready to be President.  And the math doesn't lie. :shrug:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207#ixzz44AGDwqmH

- Apparently the Super-PAC's have Super-Pac's, we now have Mega-PAC's.
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Yet another reason why Hillary has the backing of the Democratic Party, and Bernie doesn't.  joint fundraiser committees general end up sending mucho cash to lots of different candidates.  So there are lots of Democratic Senators and Congressmen running for office this fall that rely on cash from the big names like Hillary and Obama and Bill.  

How much fundraising has Bernie done for the DNC and other Democrats historically?  

 
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timschochet said:
I've read it 4 times now. Where does it say  law enforcement activities? 
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Thus, while the FBI's response to you has changed to some degree due to these intervening events, we remain unable to provide the requested information without adversely affecting on-going law enforcement efforts.
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This is the full court filing so you can see the letter with pleading filing it with the court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/298604923/show-temp

 
tommyGunZ said:
Yet another reason why Hillary has the backing of the Democratic Party, and Bernie doesn't.  joint fundraiser committees general end up sending mucho cash to lots of different candidates.  So there are lots of Democratic Senators and Congressmen running for office this fall that rely on cash from the big names like Hillary and Obama and Bill.  

Hoe much fundraising has Bernie done for the DNC and other Democrats historically?  
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It's a good point. I think Bernie has the one instance IIRC and that was generally for the Senate fundraising committee.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is the full court filing so you can see the letter with pleading filing it with the court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/298604923/show-temp
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But that doesn't say what you implied AT ALL. You keep claiming there is s criminal investigation and tonight you write that it was proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Well, sorry but I have reasonable doubts. When the FBI says they're investigating something criminal then I'll believe it. 

 
timschochet said:
But that doesn't say what you implied AT ALL. You keep claiming there is s criminal investigation and tonight you write that it was proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Well, sorry but I have reasonable doubts. When the FBI says they're investigating something criminal then I'll believe it. 
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What do you think a law enforcement activity is?

The FBI is now trying to determine whether a crime was committed in the handling of that classified material.
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- WaPo

Also, btw just what do you think the DOJ granted Bryan Pagliano immunity from?

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
What do you think a law enforcement activity is?

- WaPo
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The implication of a "criminal investigation" is that a crime has been committed and law enforcement is trying to determine who is guilty of that crime. An investigation as to whether or not any crime was committed at all is not yet a criminal investigation; it's something else entirely. 

 
timschochet said:
The implication of a "criminal investigation" is that a crime has been committed and law enforcement is trying to determine who is guilty of that crime. An investigation as to whether or not any crime was committed at all is not yet a criminal investigation; it's something else entirely. 
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OH I see, you think law enforcement determines there's a crime, then investigates it. Got it. An investigation as to whether or not any crime was committed is in fact a criminal investigation.

Also, btw just what do you think the DOJ granted Bryan Pagliano immunity from?

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
OH I see, you think law enforcement determines there's a crime, then investigates it. Got it. An investigation as to whether or not any crime was committed is in fact a criminal investigation.

Also, btw just what do you think the DOJ granted Bryan Pagliano immunity from?
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I don't want to get into a terminology argument with you. I'll probably lose. 

Heres the point- per that letter, the FBI won't confirm or deny that any law was broken. The Washington Post doesn't know if any law was broken and all their sources will confirm is that the FBI is trying to figure it out. Hillary says no law was broken. When the FBI says a law was broken, when they recommend charges against somebody for breaking that law, then I'll believe it. Until then I won't? Isn't that a reasonable position? 

 
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