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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (11 Viewers)

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Tacking towards the center. The race is over, and has been for a while, IMO. He's just tacking back towards his main constituency, reminding them of his Sister Souljah moment, and going after it. You think this isn't scripted?  
It was supposed to be, I think this is one of Hillary's (ie her and her campaign's) sources of great frustration, they have not been able to move on. I think Hillary called on Sanders to get out the race after the win in AZ (?)... I don't think he was obligated to get out but something has come undone here.

 
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Tacking towards the center. The race is over, and has been for a while, IMO. He's just tacking back towards his main constituency, reminding them of his Sister Souljah moment, and going after it. You think this isn't scripted?  
I, for one, would be shocked to find out that the Clinton campaign is simply moving on to other issues after getting its lead from the votes of the African American community.

 
I, for one, would be shocked to find out that the Clinton campaign is simply moving on to other issues after getting its lead from the votes of the African American community.
I am a conservative with deep roots in the Black Lives Matter movement (not to mention welfare and entitlement reform) who is appalled by the Clintons' cynicism in this matter. 

 
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In fact, one of the things that surprises me is how virulent the neocon opposition to her is when she's probably the best D they could hope for.  
I agree. Hasn't this always been the case? Clinton legacy: ended welfare as we knew it (well until 2009), pro intervention, repealed Glass-Steagall and did financial deregulation, anti-crime bill, balanced the budget, close with the financial industry and Wall Street so we know they will be cared for, belief in preserving institutions like NATO and the Fed, with a 30 year track record to back it up.... not just neocons, where can mainstream Republicans find this right now?

 
“Gang leaders got 13-year-olds hopped on crack and sent them out in the street to murder other African-American children,” Clinton said.

“Maybe you thought they were good citizens; she didn’t,” he snapped, to cheers from the pro-Clinton attendees.


Ideas and the guts to enunciate and conceive them are two different things. Elsewhere it's been discussed how Hillary does not espouse what she really believes.

Bill will be a kitchen cabinet member, he may even sit in on cabinet meetings IMO. This guy will be a prominent part of the administration. He is a surrogate as well. How does Hillary run against the crime bill and its effects and have him out front? And this applies to other issues.

 
“I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa.” -Bill Clinton

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For those who can't watch the clip:

Bill Clinton on Thursday responded toBlack Lives Matter activists who began protesting at a Hillary Clinton campaign event in Philadelphia.

During the second half of the former president's speech, protesters erupted, yelling about sentencing and welfare reform, according to reports.

"Here's the thing, I like protesters. But the ones who won't let you answer are afraid of the truth," said Clinton, who then defended the 1994 crime bill that Congress passed and he signed while in office.

"Because of that bill, we had a 25-year low in crime, a 33-low in the murder rate and because of that and the background check law, we had a 46-year-low in the deaths of people by gun violence and who do you think those lives were that mattered? Whose lives were saved that mattered?"




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The former president said his wife was the first candidate in the 2016 race to say "Let's get these people who did non-violent offenses out of prison."

One protester's sign said "black youth are not super predators," and Clinton then appeared to respond to that.

"I don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack, sent them out onto the street to murder other African-American children," Clinton said. "Maybe you thought they were good citizens, she didn't. She didn't. You are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter. Tell the truth. You are defending the people who cause young people to go out and take guns."

The protester's sign referred to comments Hillary Clinton made in a 1996 speech on crime legislation that at-risk youth were "superpredators." She has since walked back those remarks.

Black Lives Matters protesters have occasionally interrupted campaign events of presidential candidates on both sides of the aisle.

During the Philadelphia event Thursday, the former president also called his wife "the best qualified" for president, which comes after Bernie Sanders said Wednesday that he doesn't think the former secretary of state and U.S. senator is qualified for the job.

 
I agree. Hasn't this always been the case? Clinton legacy: ended welfare as we knew it (well until 2009), pro intervention, repealed Glass-Steagall and did financial deregulation, anti-crime bill, balanced the budget, close with the financial industry and Wall Street so we know they will be cared for, belief in preserving institutions like NATO and the Fed, with a 30 year track record to back it up.... not just neocons, where can mainstream Republicans find this right now?
Kasich, but without the executive branch regulation crap that really determines this stuff. The important stuff isn't happening at the legislative branch, but at the executive one because of...

hold breath...

the non-delegation doctrine being eviscerated. 

 
Kasich, but without the executive branch regulation crap that really determines this stuff. The important stuff isn't happening at the legislative branch, but at the executive one because of...

hold breath...

the non-delegation doctrine being eviscerated. 
True, I was thinking of Cruz and Donald.

 
“I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa.” -Bill Clinton

:oldunsure:


In just six minutes, Clinton manages to say all of the following:

  • “Here’s the thing. I like protestors, but the ones that won’t let you answer are afraid of the truth.”
  • “Hillary spent her time trying to get healthcare for poor kids—and who were they? Their lives matter.”
  • “I don’t know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out into the street to murder other African American children. Maybe you thought they were good citizens—she didn’t.”
  • “You are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. Tell the truth.”
  • “The reason they know it’s true is [the protestors] won’t hush. When somebody won’t hush and listen to you, that ain’t democracy. They’re afraid of the truth. Don’t you be afraid of the truth.”
  • “I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa.”
  •  
http://gawker.com/bill-clinton-will-tell-you-a-story-about-where-else-bla-1769692732

Two pieces of video there. He's kind of retired, folks, he gets to have fun here. Too much to ask this man to be on his best behavior constantly.

 
Good lord, Bill says Biden told him to put more sentencing in the anti crime law because the Republicans would never have it without it. Good reasoning.

 
Clintons just threw down the Trump. It's no secret they're not afraid of racial politics in the least, especially contra the MSM. Not. Afraid. At. All.  
Sure, and it helped him get elected 92/96, this time though he will be shut down for it by the campaign and Hillary will spend energy to explain it away instead. I don't think she can (or will) do what he does anyway.

 
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http://gawker.com/bill-clinton-will-tell-you-a-story-about-where-else-bla-1769692732

Two pieces of video there. He's kind of retired, folks, he gets to have fun here. Too much to ask this man to be on his best behavior constantly.
Funny story: if Hillary Clinton had done this, she'd probably already officially have won the nomination.

He stuck to his guns, explained his reasoning, refused to back down from a position he took years ago for what he considers good reasons. I don't agree with all of them, but I believe he actually has a position.

 
Sure, and it helped him get elected 92/96, this time though he will be shut down for it by the campaign and Hillary will spend energy to explain it away instead. I don't think she can do what he does anyway.
She can't, but he can, and he's the one the public remembers. 

Look, Bernie is dead. Forget Bernie. This is about beating Trump. That's what he did today. 

 
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Kim Dotcom calls Hillary Clinton an 'adversary' of Internet freedom
The founder of MegaUpload also says during an interview with Bloomberg that Hollywood studios are to blame for digital piracy.

Kim Dotcom, the outspoken founder of the defunct cloud-storage locker MegaUpload, says he views Hillary Clinton as an enemy of online freedom.

Dotcom, currently under house arrest at his New Zealand mansion, expressed that opinion during a wide-ranging interview with Bloomberg reporter Emily Chang. Dotcom is fighting extradition to the US, where he faces arrest on a variety of copyright charges.

"She is just an adversary, I think, of Internet freedom," he told Chang in an interview to be broadcast Thursday evening on Bloomberg's Studio 1.0. Still, he expressed some fondness for Clinton, who signed his extradition request when she was the US secretary of state.

"You know, the crazy thing is, I actually like Hillary," he said. " I like Obama, you know? It's just so messy. It's just so crazy that all of this happened."

Dotcom, a 41-year-old German national born Kim Schmidt, was arrested in a January 2012 raid on his mansion in New Zealand after the US handed down an indictment on criminal copyright violations and racketeering. Millions of dollars worth of cash, cars, and other possessions belonging to Dotcom were seized during a sensational raid on his estate.

DotCom claims MegaUpload was completely legitimate and protected by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. But US authorities say he encouraged users to store pirated videos, music, software and other media and then share it with others. He faces up to 88 years in prison if convicted.

The subject of Clinton's candidacy came up when Dotcom was asked about a tweet he sent last year in which he said he called himself "Hillary's worse nightmare in 2016." He revisited that statement in the interview, saying that Wikileaks founder Julian Assange would probably be a bigger headache for Clinton.

"I'm aware of some of the things that are going to be roadblocks for her," he said, declining to be more specific.

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The interview, which goes on to discuss his extradition fight and NSA whistle-blower Edward Snowden, airs at 4:30 p.m. PT on Bloomberg's Studio 1.0.
http://www.cnet.com/news/kim-dotcom-calls-hillary-clinton-an-adversary-of-internet-freedom/




- Couldn't help but recall this story in light of the recent WikiLeaks release of the Panama Papers. So far this has touched on Podesta and Blumenthal.

 
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Kasich, but without the executive branch regulation crap that really determines this stuff. The important stuff isn't happening at the legislative branch, but at the executive one because of...

hold breath...

the non-delegation doctrine being eviscerated. 
My problem with Kasich is that when he was the House Budget chair he was one of the bomb throwers.  I have heard him claim on the campaign trail that he personally engineered the 1996 government shutdowns against the advice of Dole and Gingrich.  He also tries to take full credit for the balanced budget, after joining his party line fight against Clinton's 1993 deficit reduction plan, which plan cut the deficit by almost half before the R's ever took control of the House (the 1996 budget was the first one the R's controlled).  I think the guy should get no credit for the balanced budget, he inherited a trajectory he actively tried to stop, and rode it.  I also think he got lucky in Ohio, as Trump has pointed out, because Obama saved the auto industry and Ohio struck oil.  

Having said that, Kasich is certainly not alone among politicians in taking credit for events that coincided with, but were not caused by, their terms of office.  I can easily understand why he'd be the choice of moderate R's.  In fact I think he is a lot more conservative than most Republicans appreciate, because he does not use the inflammatory rhetoric now in favor.  

 
We're all gong to get versed on rules for an open R convention, but NPR reported last night that the current rules state you need to have won 8 states to receive the nomination.  Which unless something changes disqualifies Kasich.  (And as of now, Cruz).

 
We're all gong to get versed on rules for an open R convention, but NPR reported last night that the current rules state you need to have won 8 states to receive the nomination.  Which unless something changes disqualifies Kasich.  (And as of now, Cruz).
The 8 state rule (rule #40 IIRC) is meaningless.  The rules committee votes on the rules at the beginning of each convention.   That one was voted in in 2012 to block Rand Paul.  They can vote it out this time just as easily as they voted it in last time.

 
:oldunsure:   You sound "surprised".....been rollin' like this for years...had enough yet?
I'm not surprised. There's a price to be paid for wanting them back in. I'm willing to pay it but sometimes I wish it wasn't quite this steep...
Are you aware of how bizarre some of these comments are on the backdrop of you vilifying them just a few years ago or do you not think twice about it?  Just curious.

 
Are you aware of how bizarre some of these comments are on the backdrop of you vilifying them just a few years ago or do you not think twice about it?  Just curious.
I've evolved in my viewpoint of Hillary Clinton. Seriously I've come to believe that my previous views, which matched many of yours, were media driven, and that she's a much better person than I thought. That's my impression anyhow. I don't know her...

 
But she also is the closest thing to we currently have to the political center that we have, so so long as she's not a criminal I'd be supporting her no matter what. 

 
I've evolved in my viewpoint of Hillary Clinton. Seriously I've come to believe that my previous views, which matched many of yours, were media driven, and that she's a much better person than I thought. That's my impression anyhow. I don't know her...


Don't forget, you read her book.

 
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My biggest issue with Hillary is that she won't take ownership of the things Bernie criticizes her for, and that's what makes her come off as dishonest. If he brings up the Panama deal at the debate, for example, I'd love for her to say "yeah I was for that deal, here's why, here are the facts on who it has helped." "Yes I take corporate donations, here's why, and here's why we can't afford to demonize corporations" etc. 

She'll probably disappoint me again but I can hope...
Translation:  I wish she would address this so I would know how to defend her decision.

 
I never called any Trump supporter a moron. I wrote that they were either bigots, stupid, or uninformed, and that the vast majority were uninformed. 

But Trump is beyond the pale. Hillary is, IMO, a different category. And Bass used phrases such as "morons like Tim and his buddies" etc. 
:lmao:

 
I've evolved in my viewpoint of Hillary Clinton. Seriously I've come to believe that my previous views, which matched many of yours, were media driven, and that she's a much better person than I thought. That's my impression anyhow. I don't know her...
Everything she does is so phony.  The subway stunt yesterday was just silly.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
We're all gong to get versed on rules for an open R convention, but NPR reported last night that the current rules state you need to have won 8 states to receive the nomination.  Which unless something changes disqualifies Kasich.  (And as of now, Cruz).
IIRC, the party can change the rules before the convention to suit their goals.

 
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Everything she does is so phony.  The subway stunt yesterday was just silly.  
I don't think it is fair for you to judge her like this.  I don't think any of us have had to deal with the PTSD that comes with being the target of snipers.

 
It's interesting not only for her awkward reactions, it's interesting because it keeps happening. You don't see this with Sanders, for instance. I wonder why that is....
Her husband is called out and he attempts to explain his actions. She dismissively cackles at questions she doesn't like. She could learn alot from Bill.

 
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