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:lmao:  Not an obsession at all. I don't care what you do, actually. But it's interesting to me that there's been a million and one predictions of Hillary failing in this thread, and whenever she wins another victory none of you guys ever come in here and say that you were wrong. Never happens. You just move on to the next prediction of her losing. 
That's because she has a history of and is always doing everything in her power to lose. It's the only thing she does well.

 
Is this you Scho?
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Maybe rigged wasn't the best word, but the odds were stacked against anyone running against Hillary by design from the start.

Debate schedule, Wasserman, etc...
Not against anyone. The odds were stacked against Bernie, because he's never been a member of the Democratic party until recently, and because his ideas are to the left of the mainstream. The mainstream doesn't win the Democratic nomination because somebody like Wasserman decides it, they win, nearly every time, because the Democratic party is mainstream. The Republican party used to be mainstream too, until this year...

 
:lmao:  Not an obsession at all. I don't care what you do, actually. But it's interesting to me that there's been a million and one predictions of Hillary failing in this thread, and whenever she wins another victory none of you guys ever come in here and say that you were wrong. Never happens. You just move on to the next prediction of her losing. 
I think you have a pretty bad habit of not comprehending what is predicted and whether a 'prediction' has occurred in the first place. I think you're the only one making outright predictions around here. The number of times you've stated the email issue had gone away or was about to must be around 20 for more than a year.

 
:lmao:  Not an obsession at all. I don't care what you do, actually. But it's interesting to me that there's been a million and one predictions of Hillary failing in this thread, and whenever she wins another victory none of you guys ever come in here and say that you were wrong. Never happens. You just move on to the next prediction of her losing. 
What are you talking about? Wins what? Primaries? She has lost a lot of primaries and many more than expected. :lmao:

 
I think you have a pretty bad habit of not comprehending what is predicted and whether a 'prediction' has occurred in the first place. I think you're the only one making outright predictions around here. The number of times you've stated the email issue had gone away or was about to must be around 20 for more than a year.
Well, except for Mr. Ham, Sinn Fein, and about a dozen other Hillary haters.

 
I think you have a pretty bad habit of not comprehending what is predicted and whether a 'prediction' has occurred in the first place. I think you're the only one making outright predictions around here. The number of times you've stated the email issue had gone away or was about to must be around 20 for more than a year.
What about Sinn Fein predicting that she wouldn't win the nomination? How about Mr. Ham predicting indictment every other day? 

And I was wrong about the emails. I wish they'd go away. 

 
Her numbers absolutely SHOULD go up. Obama's ratings are very high and he'll start campaigning for her. I think she a gets a big bump from him - but I also think it will dissolve.

 
What about Sinn Fein predicting that she wouldn't win the nomination? How about Mr. Ham predicting indictment every other day? 

And I was wrong about the emails. I wish they'd go away. 
Has she won the nomination yet?  Is an indictment off the table? Granted, the nomination looks pretty darn good but I assume Sinn Fein's prediction assumes Mr Ham's comes to fruition.

 
What about Sinn Fein predicting that she wouldn't win the nomination? How about Mr. Ham predicting indictment every other day? 

And I was wrong about the emails. I wish they'd go away. 
Do you wish they'd go away or do you want to know the full truth, even if it means compromising Hillary's chances?  My guess is you don't want to know the truth, you'd rather just see the whole thing go away.

 
What about Sinn Fein predicting that she wouldn't win the nomination? How about Mr. Ham predicting indictment every other day? 

And I was wrong about the emails. I wish they'd go away. 
What about them? The difference is Clinton hasn't won the nomination yet, and she may still be indicted so Sinn and Ham and NOT wrong, like you. 

 
The angry half are the Hillary supporters who are attacking people. The Trump supporters are positive and looking forward to making America great again. 
Those few who are engaging in violence are anti-Trump, but no proof they are all Hillary or Bernie supporters, although a certain percentage my be by default (who else will they vote for?). Nevertheless, it is not some organized plan by the Hillary supporters to attack people as you suggest.

 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-sleuths-focus-ex-state-000000777.html

Interesting how Bentel is now front and center.  On whose behalf was he acting when he said not to discuss the private server?  And he testified to the Benghazi committee that he was not aware.  Was that under oath - if so, he clearly perjured himself.  And his exchange with Huma about the option to use two Blackberries shows understanding that emails following though the State system would be subject to FOIA, and Huma's rejection.  None of this looks good.
Bentel didn't cooperate with the State IG either. 

In terms of on whose behalf, it's odd that Lukens sits between Bentel & Kennedy on the org chart but Lukens was left in the dark.

And my impression all along has been that the PRA violations have been the small potatoes yet the people taking immunity or avoiding questioning have been those involved with setting up the private rig, Pags, Mills and now Bentel. Possibly Josh Cooper as well. They're not acting like its no big deal.

 
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Her numbers absolutely SHOULD go up. Obama's ratings are very high and he'll start campaigning for her. I think she a gets a big bump from him - but I also think it will dissolve.
Obama doesn't take a single public step on Clinton's behalf until (if ever) she is out from under cloud of indictment. With the Democrats in very public disarray, her most powerful public advocate's current silence, on HIS former SoS, is deafening...

 
Tim, she's a lying ####.  There's a reason she has lost so many of the last primaries.
Hillary has lost just 4 out of the last 13 primaries and caucuses. During that stretch, she received over 685,000 more votes than Sanders did.

Granted, all of those elections took place before the IG report came out, so it's certainly possible that she'll start losing at a larger rate. But for the time being your narrative does not match the facts.

 
Obama doesn't take a single public step on Clinton's behalf until (if ever) she is out from under cloud of indictment. With the Democrats in very public disarray, her most powerful public advocate's current silence, on HIS former SoS, is deafening...
And Ronald Reagan refused to endorse George H.W. Bush until he locked up the 1988 primary. Guess that silence was deafening too, huh?

 
Obama doesn't take a single public step on Clinton's behalf until (if ever) she is out from under cloud of indictment. With the Democrats in very public disarray, her most powerful public advocate's current silence, on HIS former SoS, is deafening...
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He is waiting for her to officially lock up the nomination, which may not be until the convention. But he will enthusiastically endorse her and campaign for her, as he wants his legacy continued.

 
Do you wish they'd go away or do you want to know the full truth, even if it means compromising Hillary's chances?  My guess is you don't want to know the truth, you'd rather just see the whole thing go away.
I think the full truth will exonerate her from any chance of indictment. 

But if Im wrong- if the truth means that Hillary did something seriously wrong and deserves to be indicted- then honestly I'd rather not know it. I'd rather have a corrupt Hillary as President over Donald Trump and it's not even a close consideration for me. 

 
Obama doesn't take a single public step on Clinton's behalf until (if ever) she is out from under cloud of indictment. With the Democrats in very public disarray, her most powerful public advocate's current silence, on HIS former SoS, is deafening...
Huh?  You expected Obama to endorse Hillary before the primary was over? 

 
And Ronald Reagan refused to endorse George H.W. Bush until he locked up the 1988 primary. Guess that silence was deafening too, huh?
An 8-year warm bucket o' piss Vice-President couldn't get a kind word from the Great Communicator to save his life, and when he finally did it was half-hearted at best. From the Bush camp it absolutely was deafening...

 
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He is waiting for her to officially lock up the nomination, which may not be until the convention. But he will enthusiastically endorse her and campaign for her, as he wants his legacy continued.
Of course, Obama calls her best moment as SOS, his worst mistake.

But, I am sure they see eye-to-eye on everything else.

 
I think the full truth will exonerate her from any chance of indictment. 

But if Im wrong- if the truth means that Hillary did something seriously wrong and deserves to be indicted- then honestly I'd rather not know it. I'd rather have a corrupt Hillary as President over Donald Trump and it's not even a close consideration for me. 
You've made similar statements a couple of times in this thread and I really have to give you kudos for honesty. I think it's the only way anyone can support Hillary imo. Just accept all the corruption and tell yourself the other person is worse. Unfortunately I can't do that.

 
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He is waiting for her to officially lock up the nomination, which may not be until the convention. But he will enthusiastically endorse her and campaign for her, as he wants his legacy continued.
Obama will most certainly campaign against Trump, but he cannot campaign for Clinton while she may yet get indicted lest she become a very unwelcome addition to his legacy...

 
the truth means that Hillary did something seriously wrong and deserves to be indicted- then honestly I'd rather not know it. I'd rather have a corrupt Hillary as President over Donald Trump and it's not even a close consideration for me. 
Enjoy your Trump presidency! He will bring back jobs and prosperity and you will look back and be ashamed that you would rather have a criminal than the great uniter Trump as president. 

 
Obama will most certainly campaign against Trump, but he cannot campaign for Clinton while she may yet get indicted lest she become a very unwelcome addition to his legacy...
So she is nominated and the indictment is not resolved and he sits out the campaign? :lol:

 
And Ronald Reagan refused to endorse George H.W. Bush until he locked up the 1988 primary. Guess that silence was deafening too, huh?
Reagan and Bush were never that close.  Obama and Hillary are even colder and more distant towards each other.  I am not sure it is a positive to make such a comparison.  Reagan-Bush ticket was more of a political necessity.  

 
You've made similar statements a couple of times in this thread and I really have to give you kudos for honesty. I think it's the only way anyone can support Hillary imo. Just accept all the corruption and tell yourself the other person is worse. Unfortunately I can't do that.
But Tim is in massive denial and would never accept Hillary is corrupt

 
This is the most unfortunate part of this whole mess, and to me it's the most frustrating. There is no evidence whatsoever of any "rigging" that had any effect on this race. In fact, every piece of evidence we have suggests just the opposite: that the more democratic the primaries are, the more Hillary wins. Yet so many people seem to believe otherwise, with nothing to back it up. 
You're right that all the shenanigans almost certainly didn't change the outcome (that is, Clinton holding a more or less insurmountable lead in delegates at this point in time).  However, don't try to pretend that DWS and the DNC didn't pull a number of shady and unethical (technically within the rules, but still shady as hell) tricks in an attempt to stack the deck in Clinton's favor.

 
I think the full truth will exonerate her from any chance of indictment. 

But if Im wrong- if the truth means that Hillary did something seriously wrong and deserves to be indicted- then honestly I'd rather not know it. I'd rather have a corrupt Hillary as President over Donald Trump and it's not even a close consideration for me. 
This is likely the root of a lot of your defensiveness, you can still concede wrongdoing and support Hillary over Trump. You just think conceding facts and events somehow strengthens Trump in the real world. Not true, it's happening anyway, - ETA - Or maybe like Norv says you have to do this to hold back cognitive dissonance, I dunno.

 
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I think the full truth will exonerate her from any chance of indictment. 

But if Im wrong- if the truth means that Hillary did something seriously wrong and deserves to be indicted- then honestly I'd rather not know it. I'd rather have a corrupt Hillary as President over Donald Trump and it's not even a close consideration for me. 
I figured so much, given your fondness of Nixon.  You are advocating a very dangerous position.

Look, you get no disagreement from me about the dangers of Trump.  But, the logical consequence of what you're describing--an indictable criminal offense that never gets revealed--means Hillary will have committed an egregious act and obstructed justice so that you don't find out about it.  This is the kind of behavior that we must be exposed and rejected under all circumstances, even if it means another terrible person becomes president.  

 
You're right that all the shenanigans almost certainly didn't change the outcome (that is, Clinton holding a more or less insurmountable lead in delegates at this point in time).  However, don't try to pretend that DWS and the DNC didn't pull a number of shady and unethical (technically within the rules, but still shady as hell) tricks in an attempt to stack the deck in Clinton's favor.
I don't think the primary was so much rigged or that there were shenanigans.  It's simply that the DNC and DWS had decided all along they would make the conditions ultra-favorable to Clinton over Bernie.  With all the political capital and infrastructure, they lost 21 contests, but were still able to overcome the insurgent candidate.  Just barely.  

If they have any self-awareness, when Hillary loses, I hope they look back with immense regret and embarrassment that they hitched their wagons to the wrong candidate and that it prompts some change in tact and strategy, moving forward.

 
You've made similar statements a couple of times in this thread and I really have to give you kudos for honesty. I think it's the only way anyone can support Hillary imo. Just accept all the corruption and tell yourself the other person is worse. Unfortunately I can't do that.
Can't tell if this is serious or not, but if so, I'm happy to make my position clear.  I support Hillary because I think she's by far the most qualified and best represents my worldview.  I do not believe that being out of compliance with an email retention policy is disqualifying, especially considering the circumstances.   :shrug:

 
Enjoy your Trump presidency! He will bring back jobs and prosperity and you will look back and be ashamed that you would rather have a criminal than the great uniter Trump as president. 
You know what Loan Sharks? If Donald Trump somehow wins the election then I will hope that he defies my expectations and that he is a good President. I root for this country, and I will root for Donald Trump if he does well by it. And if he is a good President and brings prosperity and security I will certainly say so and I will support him no matter what I think of him personally. 

 
Can't tell if this is serious or not, but if so, I'm happy to make my position clear.  I support Hillary because I think she's by far the most qualified and best represents my worldview.  I do not believe that being out of compliance with an email retention policy is disqualifying, especially considering the circumstances.   :shrug:
Yeah, I think your framing of the email/server issue is conveniently limited.  But, at least it's consistent with the deliberate ignorance and aloofness that characterizes the ardent Hillary supporters here.  Tim, after all, would rather just not know if his presidential candidate committed an indictable offense.  Pretty telling.

 
You're right that all the shenanigans almost certainly didn't change the outcome (that is, Clinton holding a more or less insurmountable lead in delegates at this point in time).  However, don't try to pretend that DWS and the DNC didn't pull a number of shady and unethical (technically within the rules, but still shady as hell) tricks in an attempt to stack the deck in Clinton's favor.
I haven't tried to pretend otherwise, ever, in this thread or elsewhere. 

Actually, let me be more precise: what DWS has done, particularly with regard to debate scheduling, didn't smell good to me. I didn't like it and said so here. Is it possible there were circumstances I am unaware of? Of course. I don't know all the details. But it never smelled good. 

The DNC's rules is a different issue. So far as I am aware, these rules have been in place for some time, and they were not put in place to help Hillary Clinton. 

 
Bill was sore at Barack in 2008 for taking his comments out of context. But that's all by the wayside now. They're the best of buddies. They'll probably go duck hunting together when Obama is done.
Bill & Teddy K were big on Obama if you are one to believe their reported racist comments 

 
No one is talking about "compliance" with an email "retention policy".
It is one of many issues which include gross mishandling of top secret data, skirting the FOIA, and obstruction of justice.   Compliance with policy doesn't crack the top 10 concerns here.  Hillary is really fortunate she has not been questioned under oath yet on this, because she most certainly would have perjured herself.  

 
It is one of many issues which include gross mishandling of top secret data, skirting the FOIA, and obstruction of justice.   Compliance with policy doesn't crack the top 10 concerns here.  Hillary is really fortunate she has not been questioned under oath yet on this, because she most certainly would have perjured herself.  
She hasn't been 'fortunate,' she hasn't been cooperating since the beginning. She's in active evasive measures mode, always has been.

 
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