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tone1oc said:
The Commish said:
Don't forget whoever was question the idea that an investigation was even going on.
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One single typeo of "that" from "what", and people run with it as gospel despite me clearly discussing an investigation.  I was speaking to the scope of it.  
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oh...it was you?  It was more your use of the word "hypothetical" than anything else...nevermind....that was probably a typo too

 
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cobalt_27 said:
:lmao:

Disqualified.
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Hypothetical in the context of what you are saying they were investigating. 

I did terrible explaining myself, and I'll take the selfing on that.  I did try to clear myself up minutes after but nobody wanted to hear that.  My point is that you and your blog were make generalizations and speculating on what the investigation is.   And as I said, given the nature of HRC and witch hunts, it most assuredly is laser focused on her. 

 
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tone1oc said:
Hypothetical in the context of what you are saying they were investigating. 
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No.  You don't even have your own stupid story straight.  

You wrote this in response to another poster who said there were no findings yet because the FBI was conducting its criminal investigation.  

 
cobalt_27 said:
No.  You don't even have your own stupid story straight.  

You wrote this in response to another poster who said there were no findings yet because the FBI was conducting its criminal investigation.  
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You guys are working from the assumption that the shoe is about to drop on her from the FBI, I am looking at the IG report and seeing nothing criminal, other than process violations and regulatory violations, which were not limited to her, her office, or the administration.   The point I was making, very poorly obviously, is that we do not know what the actual FBI investigation is, and that there was nothing in the IG report that any of you could point to as criminal.   

Hypothetically, the FBI could of simply interviewed as part of a larger issue of non compliance in the Obama administration.  Now I have a hypothetical FBI investigation too. 
 

 
tone1oc said:
Hypothetical in the context of what you are saying they were investigating. 

I did terrible explaining myself, and I'll take the selfing on that.  I did try to clear myself up minutes after but nobody wanted to hear that.  My point is that you and your blog were make generalizations and speculating on what the investigation is.   And as I said, given the nature of HRC and witch hunts, it most assuredly is laser focused on her. 
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Let's be clear about one thing. With Hillary it's always "a witch hunt, a witch hunt." It there was ever a single witch hunt, she'd be back on the West Side of Oz, where she belongs.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
Let's be clear about one thing. With Hillary it's always "a witch hunt, a witch hunt." It there was ever a single witch hunt, she'd be back on the West Side of Oz, where she belongs.  
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Like the 11 hour grilling over Benghazi that brought no new facts to the case?  You have people in this thread that believe she is part of murderous conspiracies.  She is probably the most vetted candidate in history.

 
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grilling :lol:   A bunch of idiots who couldn't get out of their own way with some apologists slurping at every opportunity.  Guess this explains Bernie's "attacks" on Hillary over her emails...what a warped world Hillary supporters are forced to live in.  I don't see the point guys...you're wasting your mental prowess on this stuff.

 
tone1oc said:
Like the 11 hour grilling over Benghazi that brought new new facts to the case?  You have people in this thread that believe she is part of murderous conspiracies.  She is probably the most vetted candidate in history.
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I suspect her of a lot of things, what I believe is very hard to dispute is that she took a laundered bribe of about $100k in 1978, she ordered her Chief of Staff to remove files from Vince Foster's office, she lied about taking sniper fire in Bosnia and she conspired to hide her correspondence while jeopardizing national security.  I find it highly likely she destroyed records of crimes at least three times, and she set out to destroy the lives of her husband's sex victims.  In between, she never had any real success outside of promoting herself and being famous.  

 
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Mr. Ham said:
I suspect her of a lot of things, what I believe is very hard to dispute is that she took a laundered bribe of about $100k in 1978, she ordered her Chief of Staff to remove files from Vince Foster's office, she lied about taking sniper fire in Bosnia and she conspired to hide her correspondence while jeopardizing national security.  I find it highly likely she destroyed records of crimes at least three times, and she set out to destiny the lives of her husband's sex victims.  In between, she never had any real success outside of promoting herself and being famous.  
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What successes outside of winning elections (promoting oneself) has Bernie Sanders actually accomplished?

 
timschochet said:
Lol she's probably the most respected woman in modern American history. 
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Polls about which people are most respected are typically name-recognition polls for the most part. I'd expect Hillary to finish #1 in the category of most respected and also in the category of most reviled. If we net out the numbers by subtracting reviledness from respectedness, I'm not at all sure that Hillary would still be anywhere near the top.

 
The Commish said:
It's going to be Clinton vs Trump...there's no escaping "crackpot" as part of the solution....plenty of "foolish" in both these yahoos  :shrug:    Maybe "The lesser crackpot running for President" is more appropriate.
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She's manipulative, nefarious and unethical.  But she's not a crackpot.  She's very pragmatic.

 
tone1oc said:
What successes outside of winning elections (promoting oneself) has Bernie Sanders actually accomplished?
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I'm not a Sanders supporter.  I'm certainly not a Trump supporter.  

Hillary is horrible, when taken in isolation.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Wow. He has a long list of legislative accomplishments.
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In almost 30 years he has been the chief sponsor of 3 bills that were wrote to law.  Two of them were to rename postal offices in Vermont.   He has introduced 353 bills in total, a success rate of less than 1%.  I will give him credit for being consistent with his resistance to foreign wars, etc.  But saying "no", while showing good judgement, isn't a legislative accomplishment.   

This isn't to say that I think Sanders is unqualified, I wholly do think he is, and wouldn't be upset if he had won.  I just wanted to draw the point that you could throw the arrow both ways.  

 
tone1oc said:
In almost 30 years he has been the chief sponsor of 3 bills that were wrote to law.  Two of them were to rename postal offices in Vermont.   He has introduced 353 bills in total, a success rate of less than 1%.  I will give him credit for being consistent with his resistance to foreign wars, etc.  But saying "no", while showing good judgement, isn't a legislative accomplishment.   

This isn't to say that I think Sanders is unqualified, I wholly do think he is, and wouldn't be upset if he had won.  I just wanted to draw the point that you could throw the arrow both ways.  
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As an independent, without the strength of a party behind him, he has focused on legislation using small changes to passing legislation to attain lofty goals through amendment, and been extremely successful.

One might say that would be the best possible precursor to attempting to influence domestic policy as President.

It does require reading the link I supplied you with in response to your question about accomplishments, though.

 
tone1oc said:
In almost 30 years he has been the chief sponsor of 3 bills that were wrote to law.  Two of them were to rename postal offices in Vermont.   He has introduced 353 bills in total, a success rate of less than 1%.  I will give him credit for being consistent with his resistance to foreign wars, etc.  But saying "no", while showing good judgement, isn't a legislative accomplishment.   

This isn't to say that I think Sanders is unqualified, I wholly do think he is, and wouldn't be upset if he had won.  I just wanted to draw the point that you could throw the arrow both ways.  
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Ooh, now do Hillary!

 
Henry Ford said:
As an independent, without the strength of a party behind him, he has focused on legislation using small changes to passing legislation to attain lofty goals through amendment, and been extremely successful.

One might say that would be the best possible precursor to attempting to influence domestic policy as President.

It does require reading the link I supplied you with in response to your question about accomplishments, though.
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What good are policy ideas as a congressman if you can not get a coalition to enact them into law?  

Rich Conway said:
Ooh, now do Hillary!
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I think she renamed one more postal office, in far less time  :D

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Another mysterious death surrounding the Clintons and its 2016...this is not a 30 year old conspiracy theorist, nothing conspiracy about it, pretty much out in the open. 

I admit some of the stories are a little loose but way too many folks who were intimately involved or even just business related have ended up dead...if this was anyone else they would have an FBI investigation and the public would be demanding some answers. There are like hundreds who have died who were connected one way or another to the Clintons, creepy and scary, believe what you like. 
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Seriously MoP, you're FOS on this.   You can't make that accusation, stand behind it, and then immediately back off and admit that "some of the stories are a little loose."    

 
dparker713 said:
The Commish said:
It's going to be Clinton vs Trump...there's no escaping "crackpot" as part of the solution....plenty of "foolish" in both these yahoos  :shrug:    Maybe "The lesser crackpot running for President" is more appropriate.
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She's manipulative, nefarious and unethical.  But she's not a crackpot.  She's very pragmatic.
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Doesn't crackpot mean foolish and/or eccentric?  Plenty foolish.  I ask because of your introduction of 'pragmatic' in the discussion...just want to make sure we're all talking about the same word here.

 
Golly I'm just crying all day today and not afraid to admit it. Hillary's mom Dorothy Rodham was born before women even had the right to vote. Today, within just one generation, her daughter is the first female nominee of a major political party to win the nomination for President! Don't let this historic milestone go by unappreciated, my friends. Today is indeed a special day.

Meanwhile on the other side we hear talk of mutiny, and we are seeing hatred, bigotry, ignorance and yes, abject ####### stupidity being rebuked loudly. This forum is a good reflection of our nation right now, as former vocal surrogates are running for the hills. If you're tired of watching our country steer itself toward the abyss, you should be in a great mood today.

Tim is tied up in meetings but he wanted me to pass that along.

 
tone1oc said:
What good are policy ideas as a congressman if you can not get a coalition to enact them into law?  

I think she renamed one more postal office, in far less time  :D
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He can.  And does.  He does so by making a single idea the focus of his work, and tacking that idea onto related legislation.  That's an extremely effective way to influence policy.

The government is going to appropriate funds for trade with other nations? Great.  We will tack on an amendment to make it illegal to do so now or in the future when the goods being purchased are made by children.  Now you've passed legislation ending U.S. governmental trade funding for child labor.

The sooner the general Dem rank and file realize how important this is, the better.  The Republicans are masters of it.  See the Hyde Amendment, for instance.

 
McGarnicle said:
Golly I'm just crying all day today and not afraid to admit it. Hillary's mom Dorothy Rodham was born before women even had the right to vote. Today, within just one generation, her daughter is the first female nominee of a major political party to win the nomination for President! Don't let this historic milestone go by unappreciated, my friends. Today is indeed a special day.

Meanwhile on the other side we hear talk of mutiny, and we are seeing hatred, bigotry, ignorance and yes, abject ####### stupidity being rebuked loudly. This forum is a good reflection of our nation right now, as former vocal surrogates are running for the hills. If you're tired of watching our country steer itself toward the abyss, you should be in a great mood today.

Tim is tied up in meetings but he wanted me to pass that along.
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Just 19 generations ago, the Monarchy was defeated and a representative government took its place.  And now, by golly, monorachists everywhere can rejoice.  Just one generation ago, we wouldn't have thunk it possible, but with the installation of Hillary Clinton, America has a queen again!  Rejoice!

 
Henry Ford said:
He can.  And does.  He does so by making a single idea the focus of his work, and tacking that idea onto related legislation.  That's an extremely effective way to influence policy.

The government is going to appropriate funds for trade with other nations? Great.  We will tack on an amendment to make it illegal to do so now or in the future when the goods being purchased are made by children.  Now you've passed legislation ending U.S. governmental trade funding for child labor.

The sooner the general Dem rank and file realize how important this is, the better.  The Republicans are masters of it.  See the Hyde Amendment, for instance.
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He's the only Dem that adds provisions/amendments to a bill to promote political agenda?   I was unaware that he was a pioneer in this because I thought it had been going on since the inception of our democracy.
 

 
Frankly, I'm a little offended that you think that Clinton is just the "rank and file."  She's the greatest elected official in the history of this country, haven't you heard?

 
McGarnicle said:
Golly I'm just crying all day today and not afraid to admit it. Hillary's mom Dorothy Rodham was born before women even had the right to vote. Today, within just one generation, her daughter is the first female nominee of a major political party to win the nomination for President! Don't let this historic milestone go by unappreciated, my friends. Today is indeed a special day.

Meanwhile on the other side we hear talk of mutiny, and we are seeing hatred, bigotry, ignorance and yes, abject ####### stupidity being rebuked loudly. This forum is a good reflection of our nation right now, as former vocal surrogates are running for the hills. If you're tired of watching our country steer itself toward the abyss, you should be in a great mood today.

Tim is tied up in meetings but he wanted me to pass that along.
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@timschochet is so attention-seeking, can't stand to be out of the spotlight.  To the absurd extent that when he's indisposed, he has his handlers post for him.

What a weird, sad dude.

 
tone1oc said:
In almost 30 years he has been the chief sponsor of 3 bills that were wrote to law.  Two of them were to rename postal offices in Vermont.   He has introduced 353 bills in total, a success rate of less than 1%.  I will give him credit for being consistent with his resistance to foreign wars, etc.  But saying "no", while showing good judgement, isn't a legislative accomplishment.   

This isn't to say that I think Sanders is unqualified, I wholly do think he is, and wouldn't be upset if he had won.  I just wanted to draw the point that you could throw the arrow both ways.  
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What Bernie Sanders Got Done in Washington: A Legislative Inventory


Bernie Sanders is a progressive who likes to get things done and his record of legislative accomplishments in the House of Representatives and the Senate shows it. Despite being independent from both the Democratic and Republican parties, he got more done in his first eight years in the Senate than Democratic Party superstar Hillary Clinton did in her eight years there. Before the people of Vermont elected him to the Senate in 2006, Rolling Stone journalist Matt Taibbi dubbed Sanders the “amendment king” of the House of Representatives noting:


“Since the Republicans took over Congress in 1995, no other lawmaker – not Tom DeLay, not Nancy Pelosi – has passed more roll-call amendments (amendments that actually went to a vote on the floor) than Bernie Sanders. He accomplishes this on the one hand by being relentlessly active, and on the other by using his status as an Independent to form left-right coalitions.”





The following is a list of every substantive bill and amendment Sanders sponsored from the floor of Congress that became law (substantive meaning legislation renaming post offices is not included). Many of the roll-call amendments he passed with majority approval  — like limiting the federal government’s ability to spy on people’s library records — were removed from bills when the House and Senate negotiated over the final legislative text and did not become law.

Because the list is derived from Congress’ official database of floor actions, it does not include achievements like his insertion of funding for veterans health care into an Iraq war spending bill because that occurred off of the House floor while the bill was in conference. Nor does the list include what is perhaps his most significant achievement — providing health care to an additional 10 million mostly low-income Americans by getting Senate majority leader Harry Reid to add $11 billion in funding for community health centers that provide care regardless of a person’s ability to pay to the 2010 Affordable Care Act in exchange for Sanders rallying liberal Democrats who were considering voting against the bill once conservative Democrats removed the public option.

Those who mistakenly believe that a President Sanders would be powerless in the face of a hostile Republican Congress should bear in mind that he managed to pass these bills and amendments in spite of Republican control of both the House (1995-2006) and the presidency (2001-2008). Furthermore, it was Republicans in the House and Senate who compromised with him (not the other way around) on major veterans legislation in 2014. His original bill expanding services for veterans and fixing the scandal-ridden Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) cost $17.3 billion. The price tag of the final compromise bill? $16.3 billion.

Bernie Sanders is a progressive who likes to get things done because he knows how to drive a hard bargain for veterans, working families, students, the elderly, the poor, the sick, and the middle class.


102nd Congress — 1991-1992


  • Authorize grants or contracts to operate population-based, statewide cancer registries in order to collect certain data for each form of in-situ and invasive cancer except basal cell and squamous cell carcinoma of the skin. Authorizes grants for planning the registries. Mandates a study on factors contributing to elevated rates of breast cancer mortality in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, and the District of Columbia. Authorizes the Secretary of Health and Human Services, directly or through grants and contracts, or both, to provide technical assistance to the States in the establishment and operation of statewide registries. H.R.4206 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act) enacted as S. 3312 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act).

103rd Congress — 1993-1994


  • None.

104th Congress — 1995-1996



105th Congress — 1997-1998



106th Congress — 1999-2000



107th Congress — 2001-2002



108th Congress — 2003-2004



109th Congress — 2005-2006


  • None.

110th Congress — 2007-2008



111th Congress — 2009-2010



112th Congress — 2011-2012


  • None.

113th Congress — 2013-2014


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- Ok, like the man said: now do Hillary.

 
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- Ok, like the man said: now do Hillary.
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I really don't like responding to poorly written and designed blogs from biased sources, but I will address the links that are of the actual legislation from congress.gov.  I do not have the time to sift through them all, but what is your qualification for inclusion here?  I'm seeing a few bills some that were never agred to or signed to law and bills that he didn't sponsor.   And primarily a bunch of amendments.

So here are list of HRC Ammendments to Senate Bills that were passed: https://www.congress.gov/member/hillary-clinton/C001041?q={"status"%3A"Senate+amendment+agreed+to"%2C"sponsorship"%3A"sponsored"}

Here is a list of HRC Bills that she introduced: https://www.congress.gov/member/hillary-clinton/C001041?q={"sponsorship"%3A"sponsored"%2C"type"%3A"bills"%2C"bill-status"%3A"introduced"}

HRC Bills that became law: https://www.congress.gov/member/hillary-clinton/C001041?q={"sponsorship"%3A"sponsored"%2C"type"%3A"bills"%2C"bill-status"%3A["law"]}
 

 
A bill to designate a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the "Timothy J. Russert Highway".

A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building".

Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act

She really knows how to get things done :oldunsure:     A real go-getter....

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is sort of stuff is done by advocate sites, and I'd say it was rather well formatted.
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Ooof.. You probably like MFL's design and UX too.  

Anyways it's been said that Bernie's legislative chops can be seen in his amendments to Bills.  Bernie Sanders in his almost 30 years in congress has sponsored 41 amendments that were agreed to, in 8 years HRC sponsored 57 amendments that were agreed to.

 
Sinn Fein said:
A bill to designate a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the "Timothy J. Russert Highway".

A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building".

Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act

She really knows how to get things done :oldunsure:     A real go-getter....
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S.885 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)

A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 35 Park Street in Danville, Vermont, as the "Thaddeus Stevens Post Office".

S.893 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)

Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013

H.R.5245 — 109th Congress (2005-2006)

To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 1 Marble Street in Fair Haven, Vermont, as the "Matthew Lyon Post Office Building".

Look at the real go-getter that is Bernie Sanders...

 
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