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Sammy3469 said:
Selecting Warren as her VP pick is such a slam dunk that I can't believe people making any argument against it. 

If you want to energize the base/Bernie supporters (which is the most important thing in this election) that's the best way to do it.  Plus she pisses Trump off so much, he'll just keep tweeting non-sensical stuff everyday.
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Would certainly secure the Native American vote as well!!

 
Sammy3469 said:
Selecting Warren as her VP pick is such a slam dunk that I can't believe people making any argument against it. 

If you want to energize the base/Bernie supporters (which is the most important thing in this election) that's the best way to do it.  Plus she pisses Trump off so much, he'll just keep tweeting non-sensical stuff everyday.
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Warren would have to say yes.  She hasn't even officially endorsed Clinton yet. On top of that you'd have the first female nominee of a major party choosing another woman for the bottom of the ticket. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
The Commish said:
Well, I go by actions over stated positions so we are coming from two very different places on this.  I know what Clinton says her positions are, her actions tell a very different story (outside of women's rights and child healthcare/education.
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The second link also lists her votes in the Senate on a wide variety of issues. How many of those do you think Warren disagrees with?  Maybe 10% tops?

All due respect GB, but you're making a very silly argument here.  Even if they are very different (which they're not), that's nothing new and has never been seen as a negative before, or even questioned really. In fact with every politician in the past, showing yourself to be open to different perspectives has generally been seen as a positive. The last two Democratic presidents have both chosen Republicans to serve on their cabinets and were widely praised for doing so.
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Guess i need to be clearer on the quantity vs quality....all the issues that have been brought to the forefront in this primary season from Wall Street to Healthcare, to Foreign Policy, to Secondary Education, to Trade have them on opposite sides of the fence.  At least if we compare their actions they are on opposite sides of the fence.  And understanding I'm the skeptic in the group, I can't say I remember a time where the VP and Presidential candidate had such contrasting views on the primary topics.  Yeah, they'll disagree on a few things and they'll be minor things, but this seems different.

I'll reserve judgment to see how this all plays out, but when I see two people so opposed on the issues that were at the forefront of the primary season a red flag goes up for me.  Time will tell.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Selecting Warren as her VP pick is such a slam dunk that I can't believe people making any argument against it. 

If you want to energize the base/Bernie supporters (which is the most important thing in this election) that's the best way to do it.  Plus she pisses Trump off so much, he'll just keep tweeting non-sensical stuff everyday.
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I don't get the sense this will energize Bernie supporters, but you may be right.  I can't be the only one that views a move like this as pandering, but perhaps I am in the minority.  Who knows?

 
It won't be Warren. Hillary needs a dude to help her with the male vote. Pivoting to the general she'll also shed the progressive agenda she has tried to usurp from Bernie so fast it will make your head spin. At least for those who actually bought into it.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
This argument is kinda silly considering that she's going to secure a majority of the pledged delegates tonight, and that subsequently Sanders' sole argument for remaining in the race is that all those corrupt party elite superdelegates whose role he and his follower have been (rightly) questioning for months should subvert the will of the people for political gain. How progressive!

At least you're getting in your last shots while you can before pulling a 180 tomorrow!  Maybe the BernieBros can roll out a new slogan tomorrow morning:  "Black Votes Don't Matter." 
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If you could just clarify for me what argument you were talking about in the first sentence before you went on your ridiculous, insulting, unwarranted rant, that'd be great.  I didn't make an argument.  I made a joke.

 
Did Hillary kick babies or something? Holy cow. You'd think we were talking about Idi Amin or something with the over the top rhetoric. 

Take a breath Hill haters. 

 
Henry Ford said:
If you could just clarify for me what argument you were talking about in the first sentence before you went on your ridiculous, insulting, unwarranted rant, that'd be great.  I didn't make an argument.  I made a joke.
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I guess I just missed the joke. My bad.

If you'd like I can go back and edit my post to change "argument" to "joke," and while I'm there maybe add something about how if superdelegates are for sale maybe Sanders should have bought some too instead of outspending Clinton on the campaign only to lose both the popular vote and the pledged delegate count by a significant margin. Jokes for all!

 
The Commish said:
Guess i need to be clearer on the quantity vs quality....all the issues that have been brought to the forefront in this primary season from Wall Street to Healthcare, to Foreign Policy, to Secondary Education, to Trade have them on opposite sides of the fence.  At least if we compare their actions they are on opposite sides of the fence.  And understanding I'm the skeptic in the group, I can't say I remember a time where the VP and Presidential candidate had such contrasting views on the primary topics.  Yeah, they'll disagree on a few things and they'll be minor things, but this seems different.

I'll reserve judgment to see how this all plays out, but when I see two people so opposed on the issues that were at the forefront of the primary season a red flag goes up for me.  Time will tell.
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You seem to be defining "issues" as "the narrow range of issues that Sanders focused on during the primary campaign that highlighted the differences between himself and Clinton" rather than "the broad spectrum of issues that come up during every general election campaign and presidency."

I think the latter is probably the more important measure of their compatibility.

 
timschochet said:
Commish, Liz Warren is pro choice. She believes that climate change is a serious issue. She is concerned about police mistreatment of minorities. 

I don't know what her foreign policy views are. I disagree with her on trade and certain of her views on the big banks and business regulation. But so what? She's a good person, like Hillary. It's enough. 
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And like Hillary she is a liar with limited accomplishments who has gamed the system and made money for herself while telling others they are greedy...

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Another mysterious death surrounding the Clintons and its 2016...this is not a 30 year old conspiracy theorist, nothing conspiracy about it, pretty much out in the open. 

I admit some of the stories are a little loose but way too many folks who were intimately involved or even just business related have ended up dead...if this was anyone else they would have an FBI investigation and the public would be demanding some answers. There are like hundreds who have died who were connected one way or another to the Clintons, creepy and scary, believe what you like. 
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/husband-georgia-prosecutor-slain-car-lyft-driver-39556763

This one happened in May.  Prosecutor is investigating Bill for human trafficking.  Her husband was gunned down as a Lyft driver.  Now I've delved into some of the stories before, and taken individually the ones I've researched are explained by other reasons and motives.  (Such as former intern gunned down as manager of Starbucks, it was alleged because she had an affair with Bill.  They eventually caught a robber who confessed it was -- a robbery).  It is curious however, the sheer number of people connected to them who end up dead.  Granted, most people don't have the huge sphere of associations; but there's something like 10 plane crashes alone.  

In a healthy democracy I don't think it should be an insult or affront to investigated these things, even in the mainstream press.  Most or all of the claims may be garbage, but it's fair game in my opinion for a news organization to ask the question whether it's bunk or not, and delve in as if it is true until the facts disprove it.  Innocent until proven in the courtroom, but the press should take the opposite angle IMHO.  

I'd like to see an expose about whether the concept that a lot of people around the Clintons have mysteriously died is true or not, but the subject is taboo.  

I do not believe it is ridiculous just on the basis of its implications to look into it, case by case.  

 
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cobalt_27 said:
Remarkable how many Hillary supporters don't have even a rudimentary understanding of what's going on with the server investigation(s).  Heads are buried deep in the sand on this.
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What is going on the with the server investigation(s) that Hillary supporters and those without a presumption of guilt are missing?  Besides that presumption of guilt that is?

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
That may still be the case -indirectly. It was during the Benghazi investigation that it came out that she was using her private email for official business.

And that led to learning that she deleted 30,000 emails. 

And that led to the beginning of the end.
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How disappointed are you going to be if the FBI releases in its report that these emails were outside the scope of its investigation?

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
What is going on the with the server investigation(s) that Hillary supporters and those without a presumption of guilt are missing?  Besides that presumption of guilt that is?
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Exactly..

A reminder for those still arguing super delegates

tone1oc said:
I'm going to lay out a little more math for those that are still holding out hope or that think the superdelegates are in play.. 

2,383 needed for nomination
HRC Pledged: 1,812
Bernie Pledged: 1,521
813 pledged delegates still available

Being generous to Bernie based on poling,  let's assume they split the remaining pledged delegates evenly, Bernie gets 406 and Hillary gets 405 in the remaining contests.   The count of pledged delegates would be.. 

HRC: 2,217
Bernie: 1,927

Now circling back to the super delegates, HRC would only need 166 out of 719 total super delegates, or about 23%.  By any stretch in this contested primary, it would be hard to cry foul based on the super delegates.  She has earned far more than 23% of them based on the will of the voters in the districts to which those super delegates belong.  Bottom line....

Bernie could get 76% of the super delegates and would still lose.   
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NorvilleBarnes said:
I think we've come full circle here.
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No we didn't.  You offered to bet $100 that there would be criminal content on the deleted emails, what way other than an actual criminal complaint should we use to qualify that?  I'm not even asking for a guilty finding, just that a criminal charge is brought to her.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
I guess I just missed the joke. My bad.

If you'd like I can go back and edit my post to change "argument" to "joke," and while I'm there maybe add something about how if superdelegates are for sale maybe Sanders should have bought some too instead of outspending Clinton on the campaign only to lose both the popular vote and the pledged delegate count by a significant margin. Jokes for all!
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I don't need you to go back and add anything.  You're entitled to be an unfunny bag of ####s any time you'd like, even in a post where you take responsibility for misunderstanding someone before going off on a holier-than-thou rant like some kind of idiot Trump supporter.

 
I don't understand the Warren idea being floated. If she wanted to pander to the Bernie crowd she should go with Tulsi, or one of the other popular upcoming names. I don't even see Warren wanting it. Fits with nothing we know of her. 

Guessing she'll go with Castro or Booker sort of pick. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/husband-georgia-prosecutor-slain-car-lyft-driver-39556763

This one happened in May.  Prosecutor is investigating Bill for human trafficking.  Her husband was gunned down as a Lyft driver.  Now I've delved into some of the stories before, and taken individually the ones I've researched are explained by other reasons and motives.  (Such as former intern gunned down as manager of Starbucks, it was alleged because she had an affair with Bill.  They eventually caught a robber who confessed it was -- a robbery).  It is curious however, the sheer number of people connected to them who end up dead.  Granted, most people don't have the huge sphere of associations; but there's something like close to 10 plane crashes alone.  
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The killer or alleged guy who did it claims he was forced or coerced into a confession for what it's worth. Robbery and they go willingly, they even let the apparent robber into the store, no forced entry. The Starbucks manager who allegedly had the affair was shot like 5 times execution style, seems like a message was being sent. Again, anyone can feel how they like, there are more than a few of these suspicious at best deaths connected one way or another to the Clintons. A couple of his mistresses apparent suicides, lawyers/prosecuters/legal folks end up drive by shooting or suicide, there is almost a pattern to it. 

 
I'm heading back to work from my rare mid day stop at the house.  There are at least 5 pages which I assume is all of the normal nonsense.  Unless directed to some real nugget (yes I already know that the FBI filed to keep information from being released to VICE) then this evening I'll be skipping to here.  

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
I'm heading back to work from my rare mid day stop at the house.  There are at least 5 pages which I assume is all of the normal nonsense.  Unless directed to some real nugget (yes I already know that the FBI filed to keep information from being released to VICE) then this evening I'll be skipping to here.  
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Thanks.  I've been on pins and needles.

 
Henry Ford said:
I don't need you to go back and add anything.  You're entitled to be an unfunny bag of ####s any time you'd like, even in a post where you take responsibility for misunderstanding someone before going off on a holier-than-thou rant like some kind of idiot Trump supporter.
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Ah, now this joke I get. Sanders supporter irony/self-deprecation, right?

Honestly, I really don't see what part of my post was a holier than thou rant.  Reads like an innocent addendum to your joke about buying superdelegates to me. No personal insults from me, either* 

*That's how you do holier-than-thou.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Ah, now this joke I get. Sanders supporter irony/self-deprecation, right?

Honestly, I really don't see what part of my post was a holier than thou rant.  Reads like an innocent addendum to your joke about buying superdelegates to me. No personal insults from me, either  :shrug:
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I'm sorry to hear that.

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
What is going on the with the server investigation(s) that Hillary supporters and those without a presumption of guilt are missing?  Besides that presumption of guilt that is?
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I point no further than Tim who admitted he hadn't looked into it much because it bored him and tone1 and squiz who clearly have no grasp of even the most rudimentary details.  They don't represent all Hillary folks, but it's been a pattern.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
The killer or alleged guy who did it claims he was forced or coerced into a confession for what it's worth. Robbery and they go willingly, they even let the apparent robber into the store, no forced entry. The Starbucks manager who allegedly had the affair was shot like 5 times execution style, seems like a message was being sent. Again, anyone can feel how they like, there are more than a few of these suspicious at best deaths connected one way or another to the Clintons. A couple of his mistresses apparent suicides, lawyers/prosecuters/legal folks end up drive by shooting or suicide, there is almost a pattern to it. 
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I will say that the most high profile, Vince Foster, stinks to high heaven.

Lead prosecutor resigned claiming evidence tampering - citing a second wound on the neck, possibly a smaller caliber bullet 

The final report often pointed to as proof it was a suicide contains an addendum ordered there by a judge, that disputes these finding 

Secret Serviceman swore under oath that Hillary's Chief of Staff carried two handfuls of files out of Foster's office the night he died (very specific from as reliable a source as you find); Hillary's aide stated under oath that she removed nothing 

Witnesses were coerced into saying the car that was present at the scene was Foster's late 80s grey Honda, but it was an early 80s brown model.

So if something so public could be so littered with inconsistencies, I imagine some of this stuff could occur and we'd be none the wiser.  

 
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cobalt_27 said:
I point no further than Tim who admitted he hadn't looked into it much because it bored him and tone1 and squiz who clearly have no grasp of even the most rudimentary details.  They don't represent all Hillary folks, but it's been a pattern.
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You have shown to have terrible reading comprehension, and completely ignore all the valid points I made.   You still have not been able to post any evidence or criminal findings other than crackpot blog links that contain wild speculation.  

So please fill me in. 

 
tone1oc said:
You have shown to have terrible reading comprehension, and completely ignore all the valid points I made.   You still have not been able to post any evidence or criminal findings other than crackpot blog links that contain wild speculation.  

So please fill me in. 
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Stay in your lane, tone1.  This is a discussion for folks who've done some homework.  Even the way you framed this post shows you don't understand the 101 basics.

 
dparker713 said:
Are we expecting Clinton to cooperate with Judicial Watch?  That seems... odd.  

And really, that just reads like Judicial Watch has crappy counsel.
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The problem is you can infer wrongdoing from non-cooperation or invoking your 5th amendment in these types of cases, which the FBI can then also use.

 
Henry Ford said:
I'm sorry to hear that.
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Me too.  Read it a few times, all I see is a joking reference to one politician outspending another but still losing. But then I'm just an unfunny bag of ####s, so what do I know?  And hey, while we're here, any other juvenile personal insults you'd like to throw my way while simultaneously accusing me of acting like "some kind of idiot Trump supporter"?

 
TobiasFunke said:
You seem to be defining "issues" as "the narrow range of issues that Sanders focused on during the primary campaign that highlighted the differences between himself and Clinton" rather than "the broad spectrum of issues that come up during every general election campaign and presidency."

I think the latter is probably the more important measure of their compatibility.
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Well, from my POV, once an issue is addressed, I tend to move on.  For example, "gay marriage" has been resolved and we're moving on.  That they agreed on it in the past doesn't mean a whole lot to me at this point.  It's the issues of the day that have yet to be resolved that I tend to focus on.

 
Henry Ford said:
The delegates had all been pledged.  I believe that's been my bar all along.  I can't speak to anyone else's.
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The Sanders campaign and many supporters are saying that nothing is official until the super delegates cast their vote.  I'm sorry if I lumped you in there.  Facts are it was a closer race in 2008 and Bernie Sanders said that Obama was the winner when he had enough pledged + supers, not pledged only.   

 
TobiasFunke said:
Me too.  Read it a few times, all I see is a joking reference to one politician outspending another but still losing. But then I'm just an unfunny bag of ####s, so what do I know?  And hey, while we're here, any other juvenile personal insults you'd like to throw my way while simultaneously accusing me of acting like "some kind of idiot Trump supporter"?
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No, I think I about covered it.

 
tone1oc said:
Please post it up.. I'll wait
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Squiz, as I mentioned last night, you and I were done with this conversation.  You're operating from such a deficit of knowledge and an abundance of bull#### it's not worth the time.

Happy to discuss with BFS and dparker, as they respect the process of discourse.  But, you've disqualified yourself from this conversation.

 
tone1oc said:
The Sanders campaign and many supporters are saying that nothing is official until the super delegates cast their vote.  I'm sorry if I lumped you in there.  Facts are it was a closer race in 2008 and Bernie Sanders said that Obama was the winner when he had enough pledged + supers, not pledged only.   
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By another perspective, he did so once all of the pledged delegates had been decided, and Obama had the majority.  The superdelegates that had offered their support put Obama over the top, but Clinton had already mathematically lost the pledged delegate vote when Sanders called him the winner.

Notably, Hillary Clinton did not end her campaign until five days after that last vote.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Squiz, as I mentioned last night, you and I were done with this conversation.  You're operating from such a deficit of knowledge and an abundance of bull#### it's not worth the time.

Happy to discuss with BFS and dparker, as they respect the process of discourse.  But, you've disqualified yourself from this conversation.
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Hilarious that there are now 2 conspiracy theories as to who I am.   It was a clever, drawn our ruse wherein I argued specifically about football on the football forum for years only to assume my real identity to further argue politics with strangers on the internet.   It worked to perfection.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
What is going on the with the server investigation(s) that Hillary supporters and those without a presumption of guilt are missing?  Besides that presumption of guilt that is?
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I point no further than Tim who admitted he hadn't looked into it much because it bored him and tone1 and squiz who clearly have no grasp of even the most rudimentary details.  They don't represent all Hillary folks, but it's been a pattern.
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Don't forget whoever was question the idea that an investigation was even going on.

 
tone1oc said:
Hilarious that there are now 2 conspiracy theories as to who I am.   It was a clever, drawn our ruse wherein I argued specifically about football on the football forum for years only to assume my real identity to further argue politics with strangers on the internet.   It worked to perfection.
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To be fair, your avatar does lend itself to these kinds of theories.

 
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