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Lynch explains what was discussed in meeting with Bill. That doesn't mean there wasn't some written information exchanged.  Just saying politicians like to thread the needle when they are describing what happened. 

 
Phil Elliott said:
Lynch explains what was discussed in meeting with Bill. That doesn't mean there wasn't some written information exchanged.  Just saying politicians like to thread the needle when they are describing what happened. 
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Is your theory that Hillary, through Bill, decided to bribe/influence Lynch after months and months during a meeting no one tried to hide and used a paper trail so that they could claim the words spoken at the meeting were innocuous?  That's what you think happened?  

 
Happen to be deep into Veep Season 4.  (Hillary is a fan).  It gives a different perspective on heroes and villains.  It takes the viewpoint that or course administrations are constantly manipulating and lying for their agenda over that of Americans.  It's a game and you route for those who dispatch of their detractors with distractions and lies. It's all just a big silly game--if we decide to believe bull####. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
Happen to be deep into Veep Season 4.  (Hillary is a fan).  It gives a different perspective on heroes and villains.  It takes the viewpoint that or course administrations are constantly manipulating and lying for their agenda over that of Americans.  It's a game and you route for those who dispatch of their detractors with distractions and lies. It's all just a big silly game--if we decide to believe bull####. 
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Umm, I haven't watched it- but isn't that a comedy/farce? 

 
People who are so opposed to Hillary becoming President, do you think her time in office will be compatible to Obama? Have pretty close policy?

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Yeah, I didn't want to take the liberty of answering for you, but that wasn't a hard one to predict.
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Maurile, I'm not even kidding when I say this.  I may have to recuse myself from the rest of this election.  I have great respect for you.  Tell me what to think --  because I know you're churning it all, in all its starkness and glory...

 
badmojo1006 said:
People who are so opposed to Hillary becoming President, do you think her time in office will be compatible to Obama? Have pretty close policy?
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I'm just wondering how she's become the anti-Christ to some people in this country.  Hell, I'm not a fan, and I never thought I'd vote for her, but what exactly has she done that has made her hated enough that people think Trump is a viable alternative?  

 
dparker713 said:
I'm just wondering how she's become the anti-Christ to some people in this country.  Hell, I'm not a fan, and I never thought I'd vote for her, but what exactly has she done that has made her hated enough that people think Trump is a viable alternative?  
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Yeah, because I am confused. I have had people tell me for the last 8 years that Obama was the anti-Christ. When she gets elected, does he give her the secret handshake and the anti-Christ powers are transferred?

 
Mr. Ham said:
Maurile, I'm not even kidding when I say this.  I may have to recuse myself from the rest of this election.  I have great respect for you.  Tell me what to think --  because I know you're churning it all, in all its starkness and glory...
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Just not Trump.

I'll very likely be voting for Gary Johnson, myself. I think he is roughly equal to Bernie Sanders in terms of his integrity, intelligence, and relevant knowledge -- and I am closer to Johnson in my policy preferences than I am to Sanders, so I'd probably be voting for Johnson even if Sanders had won the Democratic nomination. With Hillary and Trump as the two major-party options, the decision is even easier.

You have to take my pro-Johnson sentiment with a large grain of salt, though, because I've long sympathized with the small-l libertarian movement (as distinct from the big-l Libertarian Party). So finding out that I support the libertarian candidate is a bit like finding out that tommyGunZ supports the Democratic candidate -- it doesn't necessarily give you any new or valuable information.

I will say, though, that I think the reasons for voting for Johnson in 2016 are stronger than the reasons for voting for any past Libertarian Party candidates. First, the major-party alternatives are worse this year than they ever have been. And second, the Johnson-Weld ticket is a lot more serious and grown-up than what the Libertarians usually put forward (so much so that many hardcore libertarians really don't like this ticket). They are both popular, successful, multiple-term state governors who balanced their state budges without raising taxes, and were generally perceived as having gotten good results on the usual economic metrics (jobs, schooling, etc.). They both favor liberal social policies: they support pot legalization, LGBT rights, abortion rights, and so on. And they're generally moderate (for libertarians) and pragmatic (for any kind of politician).

So I actually see Johnson-Weld as not just the least among several evils, but as a ticket I can feel affirmatively good about voting for.

I'd recommend looking into Jill Stein as well, which I haven't done yet myself.

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Just not Trump.

I'll very likely be voting for Gary Johnson, myself. I think he is roughly equal to Bernie Sanders in terms of his integrity, intelligence, and relevant knowledge -- and I am closer to Johnson in my policy preferences than I am to Sanders, so I'd probably be voting for Johnson even if Sanders had won the Democratic nomination. With Hillary and Trump as the two major-party options, the decision is even easier.

You have to take my pro-Johnson sentiment with a large grain of salt, though, because I've long sympathized with the small-l libertarian movement (as distinct from the big-l Libertarian Party). So finding out that I support the libertarian candidate is a bit like finding out that tommyGunZ supports the Democratic candidate -- it doesn't necessarily give you any new or valuable information.

I will say, though, that I think the reasons for voting for Johnson in 2016 are stronger than the reasons for voting for any past Libertarian Party candidates. First, the major-party alternatives are worse this year than they ever have been. And second, the Johnson-Weld ticket is a lot more serious and grown-up than what the Libertarians usually put forward (so much so that many hardcore libertarians really don't like this ticket). They are both popular, successful, multiple-term state governors who balanced their state budges without raising taxes, and were generally perceived as having gotten good results on the usual economic metrics (jobs, schooling, etc.). They both favor liberal policies on social issues, supporting pot legalization, LGBT rights, abortion rights, and so on. And they're generally moderate (for libertarians) and pragmatic (for any kind of politician).

So I actually see Johnson-Weld as not just the least of several evils, but as a ticket I can feel affirmatively good about voting for.

I'd recommend looking into Jill Stein as well, which I haven't done yet myself.
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Now imagine you live in a swing state.

 
dparker713 said:
Now imagine you live in a swing state.
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A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote just like a vote for Clinton or Trump or anyone else is a wasted voted. Your one vote isn't going to swing the election no matter what state you live in. (If the election does come down to a single vote in any state, the exact count still won't matter -- the Supreme Court will decide the election as it did in Bush v. Gore.)

The only reason to vote is to feel good about your choice.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote just like a vote for Clinton or Trump or anyone else is a wasted voted. Your one vote isn't going to swing the election no matter what state you live in. (If the election does come down to a single vote in any state, the exact count still won't matter -- the Supreme Court will decide the election as it did in Bush v. Gore.)

The only reason to vote is to feel good about your choice.
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That's a grossly inaccurate characterization of Bush v Gore.  It was 7-2 that there was an EP violation.  The Court also didn't decide on which method to use in the recount - they stopped further recounts.  

The rest of your post is mainly just a pile of bull####.  

ETA - your reasoning is the same as those parents that claim they shouldn't have to vaccinate their kids. Their one child opting out won't effect herd immunity.  Problems arise when that mentality spreads.  

 
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dparker713 said:
My side is that rather than spending millions on a number of politically motivated investigations, we could have done something more useful.
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I don't disagree...these type of things are a dog and pony show...regardless of the administration stuff like Benghazi is going to happen...it's a dangerous world...on the flipside just don't BS me and tell me (and more importantly the families of the dead) it was due to a video so you can save face during a current and future Presidential campaign...there is a middle-ground if both sides can actually see things for what they are and not what they want them to be...

 
badmojo1006 said:
Yeah, because I am confused. I have had people tell me for the last 8 years that Obama was the anti-Christ. When she gets elected, does he give her the secret handshake and the anti-Christ powers are transferred?
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I'd wondered how that worked! Thanks for the explanation.

 
dparker713 said:
That's a grossly inaccurate characterization of Bush v Gore.  It was 7-2 that there was an EP violation.  The Court also didn't decide on which method to use in the recount - they stopped further recounts.  

The rest of your post is mainly just a pile of bull####.  
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Let's see, on one hand we have someone making a thoughtful post about why they are voting for someone who aligns with their core principals and the other we have someone who is angry and either uninformed or a moron supporting a bigoted corrupt criminal.

 
BassNBrew said:
Let's see, on one hand we have someone making a thoughtful post about why they are voting for someone who aligns with their core principals and the other we have someone who is angry and either uninformed or a moron supporting a bigoted corrupt criminal.
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Which candidate is bigoted AND corrupt AND a criminal?  I mean, I've NOT heard Hillary called bigoted.  I've heard Hillary be called corrupt.  I've heard Hillary called a criminal.  I've heard Donald called bigoted.  I've NOT heard Donald called corrupt.  I've heard Donald called a criminal.  So, potentially 2 out of 3 for both candidates, but not 3 out of 3.    

 
dparker713 said:
Which candidate is bigoted AND corrupt AND a criminal?  I mean, I've NOT heard Hillary called bigoted.  I've heard Hillary be called corrupt.  I've heard Hillary called a criminal.  I've heard Donald called bigoted.  I've NOT heard Donald called corrupt.  I've heard Donald called a criminal.  So, potentially 2 out of 3 for both candidates, but not 3 out of 3.    
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True. Speaking personally, as much as I hate her, I'd still vote for corrupt/criminal over crazy.  Every time.

 
BassNBrew said:
Let's see, on one hand we have someone making a thoughtful post about why they are voting for someone who aligns with their core principals and the other we have someone who is angry and either uninformed or a moron supporting a bigoted corrupt criminal.
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His discription of the Gore decision was accurate, so I am not sure what aspect you are calling him uninformed about.  I had issue with his characterization of a vote for Johnson is a wasted vote, but you were not quoting that part.  

 
From the NY Times:

"Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch plans to announce on Friday that she will accept whatever recommendation career prosecutors and the F.B.I. director make about whether to bring charges related to Hillary Clinton’s personal email server, a Justice Department official said. Her decision removes the possibility that a political appointee will overrule investigators in the case."

Hopefully they will wrap up this little security inquiry real soon. 

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote just like a vote for Clinton or Trump or anyone else is a wasted voted. Your one vote isn't going to swing the election no matter what state you live in. (If the election does come down to a single vote in any state, the exact count still won't matter -- the Supreme Court will decide the election as it did in Bush v. Gore.)

The only reason to vote is to feel good about your choice.
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Exactly 

 
jon_mx said:
I am thinking Hillary is beyond pissed at Bill for this.  
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There is going to be a period of time between now and the convention at least when if Lynch announces 'no indictment' it will look like 1. Visit from Bill, followed by 2. Decision, in that order.  So it will look like 2 was influenced by 1. - Seriously, great move, Bill. They're constantly doing this stuff.

 
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From the NY Times:

"Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch plans to announce on Friday that she will accept whatever recommendation career prosecutors and the F.B.I. director make about whether to bring charges related to Hillary Clinton’s personal email server, a Justice Department official said. Her decision removes the possibility that a political appointee will overrule investigators in the case."

Hopefully they will wrap up this little security inquiry real soon. 
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As close to perfect as we're gonna get...

:thumbup:

 
The reporter from Phoenix ABC station who broke the Lynch/Bill story.

- It was in a private hangar, so no it sounds like Bill did not expect it would be public.

- Reporter only found about it from a tip.

- Lynch's security ordered there be no photos or video of the event.

- The reporter has not been able to verify what Bill was doing in Phoenix. There is no indication he was playing golf or making a political visit. There's no known itinerary and no one saw him.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote just like a vote for Clinton or Trump or anyone else is a wasted voted. Your one vote isn't going to swing the election no matter what state you live in. (If the election does come down to a single vote in any state, the exact count still won't matter -- the Supreme Court will decide the election as it did in Bush v. Gore.)

The only reason to vote is to feel good about your choice.
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Oh you've done it now MT...you don't tell others what your vote means to you.  That's their job.  THEY tell YOU what your vote means to you.

And to save a couple pages, this is how it works:

If you are conservative and don't vote for Trump you are essentially voting for Hillary.  If you're a liberal and don't vote for Hillary you are essentially voting for Trump, even though you've pulled the lever for neither :loco:   

 
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jon_mx said:
From the NY Times:

"Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch plans to announce on Friday that she will accept whatever recommendation career prosecutors and the F.B.I. director make about whether to bring charges related to Hillary Clinton’s personal email server, a Justice Department official said. Her decision removes the possibility that a political appointee will overrule investigators in the case."

Hopefully they will wrap up this little security inquiry real soon. 
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The main political danger that has always existed for Hillary has been the situation if there is a decision to not indict followed by a leak that the FBI recommended otherwise, so really nothing has changed. If the FBI found no crimes possibly broken then the decision to not indict wouldn't have been a problem anyway. 

ETA - however maybe Bill's little gambit backfired spectacularly. If true this would actually be a de facto recusal leaving the decision entirely in Comey's hands.

 
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dparker713 said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote just like a vote for Clinton or Trump or anyone else is a wasted voted. Your one vote isn't going to swing the election no matter what state you live in. (If the election does come down to a single vote in any state, the exact count still won't matter -- the Supreme Court will decide the election as it did in Bush v. Gore.)

The only reason to vote is to feel good about your choice.
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That's a grossly inaccurate characterization of Bush v Gore.  It was 7-2 that there was an EP violation.  The Court also didn't decide on which method to use in the recount - they stopped further recounts.  

The rest of your post is mainly just a pile of bull####.  

ETA - your reasoning is the same as those parents that claim they shouldn't have to vaccinate their kids. Their one child opting out won't effect herd immunity.  Problems arise when that mentality spreads.
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:lmao:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The reporter from Phoenix ABC station who broke the Lynch/Bill story.

- It was in a private hangar, so no it sounds like Bill did not expect it would be public.

- Reporter only found about it from a tip.

- Lynch's security ordered there be no photos or video of the event.

- The reporter has not been able to verify what Bill was doing in Phoenix. There is no indication he was playing golf or making a political visit. There's no known itinerary and no one saw him.
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:popcorn:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The reporter from Phoenix ABC station who broke the Lynch/Bill story.

- It was in a private hangar, so no it sounds like Bill did not expect it would be public.

- Reporter only found about it from a tip.

- Lynch's security ordered there be no photos or video of the event.

- The reporter has not been able to verify what Bill was doing in Phoenix. There is no indication he was playing golf or making a political visit. There's no known itinerary and no one saw him.
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They sure went through a lot of trouble to arrange a meeting to talk about there grand kids.  Wonder why the Clintons couldn't just send an email? 

 
So question for the anti-Hillary crowd: you now know that Lynch is not going to interfere, she'll do whatever Comey recommends. 

So if Comey recommends no indictment, will you accept that Hillary is not a criminal? Or will you come to believe that Comey is himself corrupt? 

 
timschochet said:
So question for the anti-Hillary crowd: you now know that Lynch is not going to interfere, she'll do whatever Comey recommends. 

So if Comey recommends no indictment, will you accept that Hillary is not a criminal? Or will you come to believe that Comey is himself corrupt? 
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How about you?...if he comes down with an indictment, will you accept that Hillary is a criminal?

 
timschochet said:
So question for the anti-Hillary crowd: you now know that Lynch is not going to interfere, she'll do whatever Comey recommends. 

So if Comey recommends no indictment, will you accept that Hillary is not a criminal? Or will you come to believe that Comey is himself corrupt? 
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Tim: "this is a nothing story, it's boring."

 
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