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timschochet said:
I certainly hope not but with the way people are thinking in this country these days, who knows? 

The idea that reasonable people could take this issue, disqualify Hillary Clinton and elect Donald Trump is outrageous to me. It's as if you were so horrified by a shoplifter that you voted for a rapist instead. 
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Bill is not running, dude.

 
bleachercreacher said:
If you truly believe this, you are just as bad, if not worse, than all the Trump fans.  She has done nothing but prove over and over that she is unqualified for the job.  There is absolutely no way any government agency could hire her right now.  Hell, she's not qualified to work at the DMV.  If she wins this race, the only reason she wins is because she was running against Trump. We've never had an election with two less qualified individuals running for President.
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It's just crazy.

 
Honest question. Would Trump pass a security clearance? With a pending lawsuit about defrauding customers, multiple bankruptcy, and involvement in over 3,000 lawsuits. Also, being in business with people with close ties to Russia and Saudi Arabia?

 
bleachercreacher said:
If you truly believe this, you are just as bad, if not worse, than all the Trump fans.  She has done nothing but prove over and over that she is unqualified for the job.  There is absolutely no way any government agency could hire her right now.  Hell, she's not qualified to work at the DMV.  If she wins this race, the only reason she wins is because she was running against Trump. We've never had an election with two less qualified individuals running for President.
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I'm sorry but no matter how much you or anyone else repeats this nonsense it's still nonsense. 

8 years as the most involved First Lady in history. 8 years as a highly influential United States Senator. 4 years as the most visible Secretary of State in modern American history. 20 years as the most admired American woman in the world, second only to Obama as the most admired American in the world. Forged relationships with every major world leader, along with all high ranking politicians on both sides of the aisle. 

One of the most qualified ever. Not even up for debate. 

 
timschochet said:
I'm sorry but no matter how much you or anyone else repeats this nonsense it's still nonsense. 

8 years as the most involved First Lady in history. 8 years as a highly influential United States Senator. 4 years as the most visible Secretary of State in modern American history. 20 years as the most admired American woman in the world, second only to Obama as the most admired American in the world. Forged relationships with every major world leader, along with all high ranking politicians on both sides of the aisle. 

One of the most qualified ever. Not even up for debate. 
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:X

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
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 HRC above the law. This guy isn't, although he did basically the same thing with classified data. And his stuff wasn't TOP SECRET.

http://tinyurl.com/hnxccb8

SACRAMENTO, CA—Bryan H. Nishimura, 50, of Folsom, pleaded guilty today to unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, United States Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner announced.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Kendall J. Newman immediately sentenced Nishimura to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials. Nishimura was further ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance.

According to court documents, Nishimura was a Naval reservist deployed in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. In his role as a Regional Engineer for the U.S. military in Afghanistan, Nishimura had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers. Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media.

 
There has never been any man or woman more qualified for this office than Hillary, ever, and that's the truth.

- Barack Obama, July 5, 2016

 
timschochet said:
I'm sorry but no matter how much you or anyone else repeats this nonsense it's still nonsense. 

8 years as the most involved First Lady in history. 8 years as a highly influential United States Senator. 4 years as the most visible Secretary of State in modern American history. 20 years as the most admired American woman in the world, second only to Obama as the most admired American in the world. Forged relationships with every major world leader, along with all high ranking politicians on both sides of the aisle. 

One of the most qualified ever. Not even up for debate. 
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For many, this is reason enough to get her out of Washington.

timschochet said:
There has never been any man or woman more qualified for this office than Hillary, ever, and that's the truth.

- Barack Obama, July 5, 2016
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Quoting Obama on this matter isn't going to win people over to your side of the argument.

 
timschochet said:
There has never been any man or woman more qualified for this office than Hillary, ever, and that's the truth.

- Barack Obama, July 5, 2016
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That's hilarious. So Obama either lied or has very bad judgement.  Or both. Well, I guess he's proven that multiple times.

 
Bucky86 said:
Honest question. Would Trump pass a security clearance? With a pending lawsuit about defrauding customers, multiple bankruptcy, and involvement in over 3,000 lawsuits. Also, being in business with people with close ties to Russia and Saudi Arabia?
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Maybe he wouldn't pass one either if such a check was launched into his background.  It is astounding that the only two candidates this country can come up with are these two.  

Let me rephrase... this country and its people do not come up with these candidates.  The political machines typically groom and come up with these candidates.  Trump is a wrench in that process.  The GOP wanted Rubio and was grooming him.  Trump stepped up and those who may be on the fence jumped on his wagon because they are sick and tired of the political machine.  If some other person jumped up as a wrench on the democratic side, maybe there would be more uproar there too.  Sanders was close and he almost got the nod, but the way the democratic machine is rigged, he had zero chance at pulling a "Trump" on that side (with all the super-delegates and all, whatever the F those are).  

It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP incorporated the super-delegate con so that something like Trump will never have the ability to do this again.  

 
timschochet said:
Kind of ironic that you accuse me of trolling. I have offered you reasons why Hillary is so incredibly qualified. Your response was meaningless. 
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I am not accusing you because you are trolling, any rational person would simply say "I was wrong about Hillary" but by the looks of things you are doubling down.  Its okay man we have all been wrong before.

 
timschochet said:
OK. In the real world she's about to be given access to the highest level of classified information- right after the Democratic convention. But you go on living in your own world in which she doesn't get security clearances. 
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She is above the law.  And she'll continue to be above the law after November when she gets to be in charge of the DOJ.  Doesn't make her qualified to handle classified information.  

 
Jayrok said:
Maybe he wouldn't pass one either if such a check was launched into his background.  It is astounding that the only two candidates this country can come up with are these two.  

Let me rephrase... this country and its people do not come up with these candidates.  The political machines typically groom and come up with these candidates.  Trump is a wrench in that process.  The GOP wanted Rubio and was grooming him.  Trump stepped up and those who may be on the fence jumped on his wagon because they are sick and tired of the political machine.  If some other person jumped up as a wrench on the democratic side, maybe there would be more uproar there too.  Sanders was close and he almost got the nod, but the way the democratic machine is rigged, he had zero chance at pulling a "Trump" on that side (with all the super-delegates and all, whatever the F those are).  

It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP incorporated the super-delegate con so that something like Trump will never have the ability to do this again.  
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Again you're just repeating falsehoods. Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination because she received the most votes, by a very large margin. 

 
timschochet said:
I'm sorry but no matter how much you or anyone else repeats this nonsense it's still nonsense. 

8 years as the most involved First Lady in history. 8 years as a highly influential United States Senator. 4 years as the most visible Secretary of State in modern American history. 20 years as the most admired American woman in the world, second only to Obama as the most admired American in the world. Forged relationships with every major world leader, along with all high ranking politicians on both sides of the aisle. 

One of the most qualified ever. Not even up for debate. 
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Yes, you did a good job of listing the jobs she's had, but what does that have to do with her being qualified?  She's been surrounded in legitimate controversies for 20 years, and she has done nothing but repeatedly lie and deceive the American people.  

The Trump people are in one corner calling the Clinton people morons, while the Clinton people are calling Trump people morons.  Any sane person is extremely worried for our future.

 
timschochet said:
I'm sorry but no matter how much you or anyone else repeats this nonsense it's still nonsense. 

8 years as the most involved First Lady in history. 8 years as a highly influential United States Senator. 4 years as the most visible Secretary of State in modern American history. 20 years as the most admired American woman in the world, second only to Obama as the most admired American in the world. Forged relationships with every major world leader, along with all high ranking politicians on both sides of the aisle. 

One of the most qualified ever. Not even up for debate. 
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Yeah...it really is...her accomplishments are minimal...it is one thing being handed jobs because of who you know (or deciding to become a New Yorker when you weren't)...it's another thing doing a good job at it...she was a divisive First Lady who bombed with Health Care and ran a unit called the Bimbo Squad to hurt those who her husband took advantage of...she was a Senator who didn't do much...well, outside of voting for a war she now claims she was forced to do...as SoS I'm just not seeing where she was effective outside of avoiding an indictment and being called careless by the Director of the FBI and inflating her bank account...like most of Hillary this narrative that she is qualified because of her past accomplishments is a complete fraud...saying she is qualified to be President is like putting Jeff George in the Hall-of-Fame... 

 
pantherclub said:
I am not accusing you because you are trolling, any rational person would simply say "I was wrong about Hillary" but by the looks of things you are doubling down.  Its okay man we have all been wrong before.
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I was wrong about Hillary. Mea Culpa. She lied about the emails, and she was extremely careless with them. I'm tremendously disappointed by that, and I like her less because of it. 

But I certainly don't think it's disqualifying. And I am not wrong about how qualified she is. And I don't believe I'm wrong about my belief that she will be an excellent President. 

 
For the record, I, along with most people, would have been fired from my company for doing what she did....and I don't handle the country's classified information. 

 
timschochet said:
I was wrong about Hillary. Mea Culpa. She lied about the emails, and she was extremely careless with them. I'm tremendously disappointed by that, and I like her less because of it. 

But I certainly don't think it's disqualifying. And I am not wrong about how qualified she is. And I don't believe I'm wrong about my belief that she will be an excellent President. 
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If that doesnt disqualify her in your eyes then nothing would and you are just a puppet for her on here now.

 
timschochet said:
I was wrong about Hillary. Mea Culpa. She lied about the emails, and she was extremely careless with them. I'm tremendously disappointed by that, and I like her less because of it. 

But I certainly don't think it's disqualifying. And I am not wrong about how qualified she is. And I don't believe I'm wrong about my belief that she will be an excellent President. 
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Agreed...honesty is such an over-rated thing when it comes to people who make decisions that effect the life of you and your family...

 
bleachercreacher said:
Yes, you did a good job of listing the jobs she's had, but what does that have to do with her being qualified?  She's been surrounded in legitimate controversies for 20 years, and she has done nothing but repeatedly lie and deceive the American people.  

The Trump people are in one corner calling the Clinton people morons, while the Clinton people are calling Trump people morons.  Any sane person is extremely worried for our future.
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Almost none of the controversies were legitimate, and she has not repeatedly lied. 

 
Boston said:
Yeah...it really is...her accomplishments are minimal...it is one thing being handed jobs because of who you know (or deciding to become a New Yorker when you weren't)...it's another thing doing a good job at it...she was a divisive First Lady who bombed with Health Care and ran a unit called the Bimbo Squad to hurt those who her husband took advantage of...she was a Senator who didn't do much...well, outside of voting for a war she now claims she was forced to do...as SoS I'm just not seeing where she was effective outside of avoiding an indictment and being called careless by the Director of the FBI and inflating her bank account...like most of Hillary this narrative that she is qualified because of her past accomplishments is a complete fraud...saying she is qualified to be President is like putting Jeff George in the Hall-of-Fame... 
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This is the typical conservative point of view. I believe that it is shaped much more by your partisanship and political philosophy than by any kind of objective view of the facts. 

 
timschochet said:
Again you're just repeating falsehoods. Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination because she received the most votes, by a very large margin. 
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I think you misunderstood my meaning when I said "rigged"..  But I can see the conclusion that would naturally jump out given the subject.  But I meant it as "the way the democratic party is constructed.. or built."  They use the super delegates that launched her way past Bernie Sanders.  

 
timschochet said:
She has not displayed these qualities throughout her career. That's bunk. That's the ridiculous reaction (also that this is in any way disqualifying for the office of President). 
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Poor judgment and disregard for the truth should not be disqualifying for the job as leader of the free world? Seriously wtf is wrong you?

 
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cobalt_27 said:
So, it concerns me that Hillary was--at best--reckless in handling top secret and other sensitive information.  That alone is reprehensible.

But, what still remains unanswered--and perhaps even more concerning--is the purpose for creating the private server in the first place.  I understand that Hillary first claimed that it was for "convenience," but her credibility in telling the truth around these matters has obliterated, and the various depositions and FBI findings certainly appear inconsistent with that story.  The FBI could not conclude why the private server was established, and that's a big red flag...and it really speaks to why I think it's premature to say there was no clear obstruction or evasiveness involved.  I happen to think her various contradictory statements and story changes about how/why the rig was set up are almost as big--or bigger--than the mishandling of security information.
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I think the FBI and Comey have their conclusions as to Hillary's motive. They just did not state them. Obviously a whole range of criminal statutes open up for investigation even past the three main mishandling statutes once that comes into play.

 
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timschochet said:
I certainly hope not but with the way people are thinking in this country these days, who knows? 

The idea that reasonable people could take this issue, disqualify Hillary Clinton and elect Donald Trump is outrageous to me. It's as if you were so horrified by a shoplifter that you voted for a rapist instead. 
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reasonable people feel both are not qualified. 

 
Jayrok said:
I think you misunderstood my meaning when I said "rigged"..  But I can see the conclusion that would naturally jump out given the subject.  But I meant it as "the way the democratic party is constructed.. or built."  They use the super delegates that launched her way past Bernie Sanders.  
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No this is still bunk. Hillary would have defeated Bernie Sanders no matter how the Democratic Party was constructed, because she was much more popular than Bernie Sanders. 

 
timschochet said:
This is the typical conservative point of view. I believe that it is shaped much more by your partisanship and political philosophy than by any kind of objective view of the facts. 
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I can't stand the republican party, and I pretty much feel the same way about her. She's a third string QB at best, but when she gets in she knows how to stay in front of the camera to makes fans. 

 
timschochet said:
This is the typical conservative point of view. I believe that it is shaped much more by your partisanship and political philosophy than by any kind of objective view of the facts. 
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Please feel free to point out where I was "careless" with the facts...

 
timschochet said:
No this is still bunk. Hillary would have defeated Bernie Sanders no matter how the Democratic Party was constructed, because she was much more popular than Bernie Sanders. 
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Maybe.  But she had the insurance policy in her back pocket.  He didn't have a chance from the start.  No one did or would against her.  

 
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