What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Baloney Sandwich said:
Here is a new CBS/NYT poll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll.html?_r=0

Listen, Hillary is going to win this election rather easily but just some amazing #'s in this poll:

  • 67% do not view Hillary as honest or trustworthy (62% for Trump)
  • 28% of voters have a positive view of Hillary (30% for Trump)
Click to expand...
The thing is, people are fickle and easily led by media.  As long as nothing new breaks, she'll get gradual warming as she gets the last word with the conventions and the campaign turns more towards issues and the Bernie supporters reluctantly realize Trump must be stopped.  Whereas people won't suddenly like and trust Hillary, they will gravitate to her team and that psychology will influence those numbers -- because once people must choose a side, they don't like to be wrong and find excuses to reenforce why they lean one way or another.  This is why a binary two party system is so limiting and unhealthy.  You can take choices that are awful when viewed objectively, but when forcing people into an either or, the human mind flexes some of its worst flaws in the way it exhibits bias.

 
Last edited:
Mr. Ham said:
He also said her attorneys DID NOT review the majority of her emails.  In sworn testimony, Hillary said they reviewed ALL of it.  Perjury.  

It's a rock and hard place for her.  Did you allow access to classified data to those without clearance?  (Felony under 793(f))  Or did you perjur yourself?
Click to expand...
You seriously believe that Hillary Clinton is going to be charged with perjury about a statement regarding the manner in which her attorneys reviewed her emails? Seriously? 

 
TobiasFunke said:
The "everything is terrible and it's everyone's fault but mine" shtick is pretty silly.

Set aside for a moment the fact that these polls are hopefully an expected blip due to a bad week for Clinton and a good one for Trump (just like in late May when he briefly had a lead). How about taking a little ownership?  You have a vote and a voice just like anyone else. Maybe instead of using your voice to constantly spread insane conspiracy theories and sleazy tabloid dreck about the Clintons from Radar Online and Breitbart, use it to support the only candidate who can prevent a Trump presidency and convincing other holdouts to do the same, just as your hero Bernie Sanders is doing.

That is assuming you don't want a Trump presidency. If you do I'm not sure what you're whining about in the first place. I know you don't like Clinton but any decent human being understands that she's vastly preferable to Trump.  You know the old saying "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" ? If this case feel free to amend it to "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the not totally disastrous and bigoted and dangerous and awful" if you like.
Click to expand...
I can't tell if this directed to me or Ham.  I am not the guy who links articles to Breitbart or engages in conspiracy theories.  Bernie was never a hero of mine, but he was--and still is--better than Hillary.

I am, however, definitely in the camp of folks who believe Hillary is terrible, both as a person, but more importantly as a candidate and the one we now have to rely upon to beat Trump.  At this point, the Zika virus should be 10 points ahead of Trump in the polls, but for reasons that should now be obvious to everyone, it appears Hillary is going to make this a contest.  And, I most certainly hold a grudge against those who defiantly and obtusely ignored all the warnings so many of us put out there when Hillary was running in the primary.  I gave voice to this, I fought hard to keep the weakest link from being the nominee--to the extent that I donated to Bernie's campaign (when I probably disagree with 50% of his platform), posted on Facebook, Twitter, here, brought it up in discussion with friends/family.  I did my part, so forgive me if I feel a little bitter that it all fell on deaf ears, and now this is where we are.  Hillary is in a dead even heat with a crazy monster of an opponent, if not slipping further and further behind.  

 
timschochet said:
You seriously believe that Hillary Clinton is going to be charged with perjury about a statement regarding the manner in which her attorneys reviewed her emails? Seriously? 
Click to expand...
No.  I am merely pointing out that she demonstrably lied to Congress under oath.

 
tommyGunZ said:
LOL.  And people wonder why Hillary is so secretive.  
Click to expand...
Because she keeps public matters private, yes that's right. You're explanation for her is not a good one but yeah I agree with you, that's why she does it. That's not her explanation though. - ETA - As Cobalt points out it predates her run-ins with the VRWC.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
cobalt_27 said:
I can't tell if this directed to me or Ham.  I am not the guy who links articles to Breitbart or engages in conspiracy theories.  Bernie was never a hero of mine, but he was--and still is--better than Hillary.

I am, however, definitely in the camp of folks who believe Hillary is terrible, both as a person, but more importantly as a candidate and the one we now have to rely upon to beat Trump.  At this point, the Zika virus should be 10 points ahead of Trump in the polls, but for reasons that should now be obvious to everyone, it appears Hillary is going to make this a contest.  And, I most certainly hold a grudge against those who defiantly and obtusely ignored all the warnings so many of us put out there when Hillary was running in the primary.  I gave voice to this, I fought hard to keep the weakest link from being the nominee--to the extent that I donated to Bernie's campaign (when I probably disagree with 50% of his platform), posted on Facebook, Twitter, here, brought it up in discussion with friends/family.  I did my part, so forgive me if I feel a little bitter that it all fell on deaf ears, and now this is where we are.  Hillary is in a dead even heat with a crazy monster of an opponent, if not slipping further and further behind.  
Click to expand...
I supported Hillary from the beginning because she is the closest to my views. I expect her to win pretty easily, but if she doesnt, I will remain proud that I supported her and convinced it was the right decision. 

 
tommyGunZ said:
It's not a rock or a hard place. 

Would you care to make a wager on the outcome?  
Click to expand...
No.  She is not going to be charged.  Again -- I am merely pointing out that she has committed crimes that could (and arguably should) be prosecuted.  At this point, buyer beware.  She's a made woman.  No charges.  But we know what we're in for.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Correlation <> Causation.  I think all indications are she was secretive well before the FBI and VRWC.
Click to expand...
Laws and the Constituion can be pesky for those with higher ambitions.  It's why those in power are always trying to dispatch of them, while our entire Republic relies on rigid adherence, protection and enforcement.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
LOL.  And people wonder why we fight to enforce our transparency laws.
Click to expand...
Comey gave an unprecedented public briefing on his decision not to indict.  Then he agreed to what amounted to a 5 hour public dissection of the case and evidence.  NONE of this happens in normal circumstances.  

But it's still not enough for you guys. Again, you're essentially proving her point. 

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Here is a new CBS/NYT poll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll.html?_r=0

Listen, Hillary is going to win this election rather easily but just some amazing #'s in this poll:

  • 67% do not view Hillary as honest or trustworthy (62% for Trump)
  • 28% of voters have a positive view of Hillary (30% for Trump)



 
Click to expand...
she's actually kept a lower profile than expected and it's hurting her. a speech about race relations in Springfield, IL is going to be ignored in favor of Trump convention drama and Obama comments. she'll get spotlight with the Dem convention and those numbers will shrink. 

i think the events in Orlando, Dallas, Minneapolis, Baton Rouge, and elsewhere all help Trump. he's been kept mostly under wraps in the wake of those events. once he starts Trump-a-palooza and the general campaign, it's going to get interesting.

 
cobalt_27 said:
I can't tell if this directed to me or Ham.  I am not the guy who links articles to Breitbart or engages in conspiracy theories.  Bernie was never a hero of mine, but he was--and still is--better than Hillary.

I am, however, definitely in the camp of folks who believe Hillary is terrible, both as a person, but more importantly as a candidate and the one we now have to rely upon to beat Trump.  At this point, the Zika virus should be 10 points ahead of Trump in the polls, but for reasons that should now be obvious to everyone, it appears Hillary is going to make this a contest.  And, I most certainly hold a grudge against those who defiantly and obtusely ignored all the warnings so many of us put out there when Hillary was running in the primary.  I gave voice to this, I fought hard to keep the weakest link from being the nominee--to the extent that I donated to Bernie's campaign (when I probably disagree with 50% of his platform), posted on Facebook, Twitter, here, brought it up in discussion with friends/family.  I did my part, so forgive me if I feel a little bitter that it all fell on deaf ears, and now this is where we are.  Hillary is in a dead even heat with a crazy monster of an opponent, if not slipping further and further behind.  
Click to expand...
You're forgiven (not that you need my forgiveness obvs).  But there's no reason your work has to be done.

Also while Trump is a weak candidate, I think you exaggerate it a bit  The GOP and right-leaning voters consolidated around him, they would have done the same if Sanders was the nominee.  And while I agree Sanders was probably the stronger general election candidate (I donated too, and would have voted for him if my primary was held before Clinton locked up the nomination), remember all those head to head polls came when he was in the unique position of never having been attacked during a national campaign. Clinton stayed well above the belt for the primary race.  You didn't hear any stupid attempts to connect his brand of socialism to the politics of our foreign enemies, nothing about the fact that he was the chair of the VA Committee when the VHA hospital mess was going on, etc. I still think he would have been the stronger candidate after an opponent hit him with all that stuff, but it wouldn't have been by the margins those polls suggest.

Also I don't think it's a dead heat- there were polls just yesterday giving her national leads and leads in most swing states.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
tommyGunZ said:
Comey gave an unprecedented public briefing on his decision not to indict.  Then he agreed to what amounted to a 5 hour public dissection of the case and evidence.  NONE of this happens in normal circumstances.  

But it's still not enough for you guys. Again, you're essentially proving her point. 
Click to expand...
Sorry but so what? She's a public servant asking for the highest job in the land. Make her jump on a trampoline and sing Dixie. They all should. A presidential nominee was under criminal investigation for a year, seems worth exploring.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
timschochet said:
Well yeah that's true except she didn't. 
Click to expand...
JORDAN: But I’m asking how — I’m asking how it was done. Was — did someone physically look at the 62,000 e-mails, or did you use search terms, date parameters? I want to know the specifics.

CLINTON: [My attorneys] did all of that, and I did not look over their shoulders, because I thought it would be appropriate for them to conduct that search, and they did.

JORDAN: Will you provide this committee — or can you answer today, what were the search terms?

CLINTON: The search terms were everything you could imagine that might be related to anything, but they also went through every single e-mail.

 
How can Hillary possibly lose?  Don't like 70% of women hate Trump?  Throw in the black and latino vote, that's gotta be close to 50% right there.

And how can polls change so radically week to week?  Their margins of error must be really off for the numbers to jump around like they do.  Regardless, I welcome our new Trump overlord.  He's the president we deserve in this coming apart at the seams country, low-IQ country.

 
TobiasFunke said:
You're forgiven (not that you need my forgiveness obvs).  But there's no reason your work has to be done.

Also while Trump is a weak candidate, I think you exaggerate it a bit  The GOP and right-leaning voters consolidated around him, they would have done the same if Sanders was the nominee.  And while I agree he was the stronger candidate (I donated too, and would have voted for him if my primary was held before Clinton locked up the nomination), remember all those head to head polls came when he was in the unique position of never having been attacked during a national campaign. Clinton stayed well above the belt for the primary race.  You didn't hear any stupid attempts to connect his brand of socialism to the politics of our foreign enemies, nothing about the fact that he was the chair of the VA Committee when the VHA hospital mess was going on, etc. I still think he would have been the stronger candidate after an opponent hit him with all that stuff, but it wouldn't have been by the margins those polls suggest.

Also I don't think it's a dead heat- there were polls just yesterday giving her national leads and leads in most swing states.
Click to expand...
I saw the opposite.  Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa were all (marginally to comfortably) in Trump's favor from the polls I saw reported by MSNBC yesterday morning.  At minimum, the trend line is favoring the crazy person, which obviously speaks terribly for the ~40% or so who really like Trump, but it also speaks terribly for HRC if she can't run away with this thing, let alone be just marginally ahead at this point.

 
Hey how about we ask the woman who wants to be president to deign to take a half hour out of her busy schedule to hold a press conference to answer some questions about the criminal investigation she just emerged from? Too much?

 
Hillary the candidate is off her game and this is the same pattern she got into in 2008 when she lost out to Barack. She's nowhere on any of the immediate issues, and Trump is getting on the right side of them early. She's getting outmaneuvered. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
So when she said her attorneys reviewed all of her work related emails, she told the truth?
Click to expand...
She said "they went through every single email." Well, that's not exactly true, according to Comey. They didn't read every single email. But on the other hand it's not untrue either because apparently it they used some sort of system to scan the emails and every email was included in that scan. So while its kind of a misleading statement (maybe) it's hardly a lie. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Hey how about we ask the woman who wants to be president to deign to take a half hour out of her busy schedule to hold a press conference to answer some questions about the criminal investigation she just emerged from? Too much?
Click to expand...
Yes. Absolutely. I don't think answering any further questions on this issue is to her benefit at this point. 

 
cobalt_27 said:
I saw the opposite.  Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa were all (marginally to comfortably) in Trump's favor from the polls I saw reported by MSNBC yesterday morning.  At minimum, the trend line is favoring the crazy person, which obviously speaks terribly for the ~40% or so who really like Trump, but it also speaks terribly for HRC if she can't run away with this thing, let alone be just marginally ahead at this point.
Click to expand...
Here's more polls from yesterday that paint a somewhat rosier picture for Clinton:

link

link

I agree that the trend line favoring the crazy person is disturbing, though.  Hopefully the worst is behind her and the Sanders endorsement and the presumably superior convention will result in more comforting polls over the next month or so.

 
timschochet said:
Yes. Absolutely. I don't think answering any further questions on this issue is to her benefit at this point. 
Click to expand...
Yes.  This is the state of our (D) candidate.  Go into hiding, shirk transparency, do nothing to change the narrative in your own words, just ignore and hope it goes away.  True leadership.

 
timschochet said:
She said "they went through every single email." Well, that's not exactly true, according to Comey. They didn't read every single email. But on the other hand it's not untrue either because apparently it they used some sort of system to scan the emails and every email was included in that scan. So while its kind of a misleading statement (maybe) it's hardly a lie. 
Click to expand...
Sort of defines the Clinton way, doesn't it?

 
timschochet said:
She said "they went through every single email." Well, that's not exactly true, according to Comey. They didn't read every single email. But on the other hand it's not untrue either because apparently it they used some sort of system to scan the emails and every email was included in that scan. So while its kind of a misleading statement (maybe) it's hardly a lie. 




 




 
Click to expand...
See, I don't think it is misleading at all. No reasonable person is going to expect attorneys to review 62,000+ emails. It's also not a distortion of the truth to say that all the all emails were searched and/or reviewed. It's a practical, working definition of the process and parsing words to suggest perjury is fairly ridiculous. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
TobiasFunke said:
Here's more polls from yesterday that paint a somewhat rosier picture for Clinton:

link

link

I agree that the trend line favoring the crazy person is disturbing, though.  Hopefully the worst is behind her and the Sanders endorsement and the presumably superior convention will result in more comforting polls over the next month or so.
Click to expand...
Exactly

Sixers are up by 3 at the half over the Warriors in an early December game.

OMG GOLDEN STATE IS DONE FIRE KERR BENCH STEFF SHOULD HAVE TRADED KLAY FOR KLOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
tommyGunZ said:
Exactly

Sixers are up by 3 at the half over the Warriors in an early December game.

OMG GOLDEN STATE IS DONE FIRE KERR BENCH STEFF SHOULD HAVE TRADED KLAY FOR KLOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Click to expand...
To be fair the Warriors needed a buzzer-beating corner three from Harrison Barnes to win that one. Hopefully it won't come to that.

 
timschochet said:
A HIllary Clinton victory over Donald Trump is in the best interests of the nation. That goal is, for me, the primary concern. 
Click to expand...
And what you fail to realize I that the lack of transparency, misrepresentations, lies, all feed into a greater likeihood that she will not win and the Trump will.

 
saintfool said:
See, I don't think it is misleading at all. No reasonable person is going to expect attorneys to review 62,000+ emails. It's also not a distrortion of the truth to say that all the all emails were searched and/or reviewed. It's a practical, working definition of the process and parsing words to suggest perjury is fairly ridiculous. 
Click to expand...
It's misleading because Hillary's original statement on this was that *she went through the emails because the law requires that *she the public employee make decisions on what is official. But then she claimed that she *delegated that duty out, which according to her originally was not ok. The FACT that public records were destroyed shows in and of itself that not only was the method insufficient it may well have been intended to destroy official records.

I haven't been arguing for prosecution of her congressional testimony but I think this is an important point.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Yes, because I'm sure after THIS set of questions, everything will be all good, right?  :roll eyes:
Click to expand...
The rolling eyes is so week...and partisan...seriously, there are legit questions about this...they are very serious for someone who maybe the next President...is it too much to have a press conference (and not a political dog and pony show) and let the general public have more insight into this...Dem or Repub, Trump or Clinton there needs to be more accountability from our leaders/candidates but unfortunately there is too much blind homerism to have it...

 
cobalt_27 said:
And what you fail to realize I that the lack of transparency, misrepresentations, lies, all feed into a greater likeihood that she will not win and the Trump will.
Click to expand...
Even if all of that were true a press conference or interview by Hillary on this subject now would not help her in any way. All it would do is keep the email story in the headlines- exactly what she does not want. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Hey how about we ask the woman who wants to be president to deign to take a half hour out of her busy schedule to hold a press conference to answer some questions about the criminal investigation she just emerged from? Too much?
Click to expand...
LOL.  

Like many of us said the entire time, the results of the investigation don't matter to the conspiracy theory folks?  The investigation that you assured us was so serious, involved hundreds of agents, FBI is serious bidness, etc. that you now suggest wasn't enough - you just need a half hour of Hillary at a presser answering questions.  I'm sure that would resolve the issue, right? 

 
tommyGunZ said:
LOL.  

Like many of us said the entire time, the results of the investigation don't matter to the conspiracy theory folks?  The investigation that you assured us was so serious, involved hundreds of agents, FBI is serious bidness, etc. that you now suggest wasn't enough - you just need a half hour of Hillary at a presser answering questions.  I'm sure that would resolve the issue, right? 
Click to expand...
I don't think it matters one bit if she's totally innocent or totally guilty. What's public is public.

 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

mr. furley
Long Island serial killer suspect in custody
Replies
34
Views
2K
Dezbelief
Dezbelief
krista4
In this thread I rank my favorite Beatles songs: 204-1.
138 139 140
Replies
7K
Views
252K
rockaction
rockaction
HellToupee
***Official*** Joe Biden 2016 Presidential Thread
Replies
35
Views
2K
That one guy
T

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Back
Top