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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (1 Viewer)

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IvanKaramazov said:
dparker -- Lots of us were here in this thread when this was taking place.  I know it's a pain, but you can go back and see that Bernie supporters (disclosure: I'm not one of them) were complaining about this at the time.  This isn't some made up after-the-fact rationalization.  
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Just because at one time she was not asking for more debates, does not make her subsequent lobbying for debates null and void.  

 
dparker713 said:
Hidden?  This is 2016, there is nothing that's hidden on TV.  
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I should really let Bernie supporters address this, but come on.  It was a recurring theme that DWS would schedule debates during weird, off-peak hours.  I didn't personally care too much because I saw it as donk-on-donk violence, but let's not pretend that it didn't happen.  (I think Hillary will destroy Trump in the debates FWIW.  And it isn't worth much -- presidential debates are almost always overrated).

 
dparker713 said:
Just because at one time she was not asking for more debates, does not make her subsequent lobbying for debates null and void.  
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Sure.  When Bernie had momentum and she got sideswiped her team got nervous. But, by and large her behavior after that when she righted the ship was clearly geared toward limiting her exposure. 

 
cobalt_27 said:
Sure.  When Bernie had momentum and she got sideswiped her team got nervous. But, by and large her behavior after that when she righted the ship was clearly geared toward limiting her exposure. 
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Your claim was that she ran from debates because she's not good at them.  Then why would she want debates when she was behind?  (Not that she ever actually was really behind)

 
AnonymousBob said:
I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse. 
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I feel like you're being the same.  In the age of DVRs and streaming video, anyone that wanted to view the debates had plenty of opportunity.  The night of the debates surely effected the live numbers, but there were other options to view them.    

 
dparker713 said:
I feel like you're being the same.  In the age of DVRs and streaming video, anyone that wanted to view the debates had plenty of opportunity.  The night of the debates surely effected the live numbers, but there were other options to view them.    
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People may have been able to work around the DNC's attempts to hide the debates but that  doesn't change the fact the DNC and DWS were deliberately hiding them. 

 
Hillary did try, initially, to avoid debating Bernie Sanders. But not because she is poor at debates. Because ANY debate with Bernie was a victory for Bernie. Any appearance by Bernie next to her on stage gave Bernie's the campaign the gravitas it needed to challenge her at a time when her campaign was trying to present itself as inevitable. 

Obviously that strategy didn't work. There were plenty of people who liked Bernie or who at least wanted an alternative to Hillary. So she was forced to treat his challenge as serious and agreed to debate him more. 

But when they DID debate, the majority of objective observers believed that Hillary won most of the time, and pretty decisively. I was not an objective observer, so my opinion doesn't count. But I believe the debates actually helped her take the commanding lead against Bernie that she eventually had. 

 
timschochet said:
Hillary did try, initially, to avoid debating Bernie Sanders. But not because she is poor at debates. Because ANY debate with Bernie was a victory for Bernie. Any appearance by Bernie next to her on stage gave Bernie's the campaign the gravitas it needed to challenge her at a time when her campaign was trying to present itself as inevitable. 

Obviously that strategy didn't work. There were plenty of people who liked Bernie or who at least wanted an alternative to Hillary. So she was forced to treat his challenge as serious and agreed to debate him more. 

But when they DID debate, the majority of objective observers believed that Hillary won most of the time, and pretty decisively. I was not an objective observer, so my opinion doesn't count. But I believe the debates actually helped her take the commanding lead against Bernie that she eventually had. 
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It seemed like a good strategy at the time, in retrospect, not so much. Bernie didn't even become a Democrat until the year he started running and was unelectable as a 74 year old avowed Socialist. Why in the world give a challenger who would have no chance of winning the general election any more publicity than necessary?

 
squistion said:
It seemed like a good strategy at the time, in retrospect, not so much. Bernie didn't even become a Democrat until the year he started running and was unelectable as a 74 year old avowed Socialist. Why in the world give a challenger who would have no chance of winning the general election any more publicity than necessary?
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Hillary fans often fail to distinguish between what's best for Hillary and what's right. So does Hillary.

 
Oh, noes! Tim has been suspended. That means I will have to do double duty against the onslaught of Hillary haters.

Don't worry, kids, I am sure I can find some additional tweets to fill the void until his return. :hophead:

 
squistion said:
Oh, noes! Tim has been suspended. That means I will have to do double duty against the onslaught of Hillary haters.

Don't worry, kids, I am sure I can find some additional tweets to fill the void until his return. :hophead:
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Bit of a purge, no Jon either.

Hillary should be speaking on the BR tragedy today I believe, I hope she shows measured tones.

 
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squistion said:
Oh, noes! Tim has been suspended. That means I will have to do double duty against the onslaught of Hillary haters.

Don't worry, kids, I am sure I can find some additional tweets to fill the void until his return. :hophead:
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Why/when did this happen? Just curious...

 
Julian Castro Found To Have Violated Hatch Act In Katie Couric Interview


The U.S. Office of Special Counsel has found Castro violated the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from engaging in political activity while in their official capacity, a source familiar with the situation tells BuzzFeed News.

CLEVELAND - A report prepared by the U.S. Office of Special Counsel (OSC) has found that Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro violated the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from engaging in political activity while acting in their official capacity, a source with knowledge of the report told BuzzFeed News.

Castro, the OSC found, violated the Hatch Act during an April interview with Yahoo’s Katie Couric.

In that interview, Castro discussed a new HUD policy to expand internet access to children and the difficulty of attaining housing loans. Couric then moved to the topic of Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

“Taking off my HUD hat for a second and speaking individually,” Castro began, calling Clinton the most experienced presidential candidate. He criticized Republicans for seeking to “pick and choose who gets opportunity,” saying that Muslims, immigrants, and gays are on the outside looking in with regards to Republican policy.

Responding to Couric’s question on speculation that Clinton could pick him as her vice presidential nominee, he said, “My hope is that whoever does get asked will take that decision very seriously. I don’t believe that’s going to be me.”

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/julian-castro-found-to-have-violated-hatch-act-in-katie-cour?utm_term=.qaMM6J6om6#.prN3z4zmKz

- Gosh, I just can't believe what I'm reading.

 
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dparker713 said:
I don't find his remarks particularly troubling.  He did try to delineate his personal views from that of his office.  
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Sure. Hat on. Hat off. Easy.

Hillary The Hatter: SOS hat on. SOS hat off. Foundation hat on. Foundation hat off. SOS hat on. SOS hat off. Teneo hat on. Teneo hat off. SOS hat on. SOS hat off. Political Donor hat on.  Political Donor hat off.

 
On CNN they said the Hillary clan is gearing up to find 3 million or so black people that they can register to vote. Fooled once by Obama, can they really be fooled twice and by a hag who obviously will drop them in the nearest garbage can once she has used up their vote.

 
higgins said:
Why/when did this happen? Just curious...
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In the moderation thread in the last 15 hours. Eminence posted some past statements by Tim and links to statements where Tim had accused Em of racism, among other things.

Apparently it was some comment Tim made in response to that which got him the time out. I was following the thread intermittently and don't recall seeing anything that was suspension worthy, but the offending post may have been deleted before I had a chance to view it.  Don't know how long he will be out.

 
dparker713 said:
I don't find his remarks particularly troubling.  He did try to delineate his personal views from that of his office.  
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Minor faux pas.  His comments were pretty run of the mill political drivel, anyway.

 
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Baloney Sandwich said:
so you disagree with the OSC findings?
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I've never read the Hatch Act, so I'll defer to them on the legality of his interview.  

However, I don't think it's all that good of a law if these are the restrictions in place.  Presumably, had they just ended the first interview and started a new one a minute later without his title in graphics on the screen, everything would have been ok.  

 
Judge mulls written questions to Clinton on emails


A federal judge weighing whether to require Hillary Clinton to submit to a sworn, videotaped deposition about her email setup publicly mulled at a hearing Monday whether having her answer written questions would suffice instead.

While U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan repeatedly cautioned onlookers not to read too much into his public musings on the point and made no immediate ruling, the issuance of written questions to Clinton would provide little of the high-stakes political drama conservatives hoped for out of a potential face-to-face interrogation of the presumptive Democratic nominee.



 



Monday's hearing itself provided some drama as longtime Clinton lawyer David Kendall appeared in court for the first time in the nearly 1½-year-long email saga to resist the conservative group Judicial Watch’s request that Clinton be ordered to give a three-hour deposition in a Freedom of Information Act suit.

“My sense is Secretary Clinton would like to put this whole matter behind us and move on to other things,” Sullivan said to Kendall. “Why not answer one or two ... questions under oath ... and be done with it?”

“There's no legal basis for it,” Kendall replied.

Clinton’s lawyer insisted that Clinton testified about the email issue during her marathon appearance before the House Benghazi Committee and during a private interview with the FBI recounted by FBI Director James Comey in Congressional testimony earlier this month. In addition, Clinton’s been repeatedly interviewed by the media about the issue, the lawyer said, consistently saying that she set up the private email system for personal convenience.

“The answer is not going to change,” Kendall said. “It appeared to be a matter of convenience.”

Sullivan noted that while Comey summarized Clinton’s statements during her 3½-hour FBI interview, no recording or transcript of that session has been made public.

Neither the court nor the public knows what Mrs. Clinton told the FBI. You were there. You want me to swear you in?” the judge said to Kendall jokingly.

“I prefer to stay on this side of the lectern,” Kendall responded.

While Sullivan has said publicly that Clinton violated government policy by doing official business on the private server, Kendall persisted Monday in his claim that the practice was permissible under State Department rules.

“It was clearly permitted and allowed” by policy, Kendall said, before acknowledging that Clinton’s server was never specifically approved by anyone at State.

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The Judicial Watch lawyer was clearly dissatisfied when Sullivan raised the issue of written questions to Clinton.

“It’s our position that the best way to gather evidence is by depositions,” Bekesha said.

Bekesha said Comey's testimony that Clinton said her email system was set up for personal convenience provided some insight as to how the system began, but little indication of why Clinton kept using it when it didn’t work well or why proposals to move her to the official system were rejected.

“All the testimony Mr. Comey provided was a moment in time,” Bekesha said. “It does not answer questions of why she did not place her emails in the box when she left.”

During the hearing Monday, which spanned about 2½ hours, including a half-hour break, Sullivan asked several times about the possibility of issuing written “interrogatories” to Clinton, even going so far as to ask Kendall how long he and his client would need to respond to a handful of such queries. Kendall initially said two weeks, but later extended his proposed time frame to 30 days.

Asked by Sullivan why he was objecting to Clinton facing more questions about her email system, Kendall quipped: “If lawyers were at Mount Sinai, Moses would have come down with not Ten Commandments, but 10,000.”

Sullivan seemed to appreciate the joke, but said: “I’m not going to allow anybody to ask 10,000 questions.”

The State Department, through briefs filed by its lawyers at the Justice Department, is also opposing the effort to depose Clinton.

Both the Justice Department and Clinton’s lawyers are arguing that the proposed deposition is unnecessary because State will soon receive from the FBI all the additional emails it was able to recover during the recently concluded criminal investigation. Justice Department attorney Caroline Wolverton said the FBI plans to start sending those records to State in batches, electronically, beginning Friday.

Asked what relief Judicial Watch could get even if it proved some intent on Clinton’s part to thwart FOIA, Bekesha said the group might be able to demand that lost or deleted records be reconstructed from other State employees personal email accounts. He also said it was unclear how the FBI had sorted the records, how long the process of turning them over to State would take and whether Abedin’s emails would be included.

Wolverton said some of Abedin’s recovered messages would be included in the material coming from the FBI.

As the hearing wrapped up, the judge said he would rule on the deposition issue “as soon as I can.”

Even a ruling from Sullivan that Clinton need not submit to a deposition would not preclude the possibility that she might eventually be ordered to testify in one. Dozens of FOIA lawsuits are pending related to Clinton’s emails, with most of the litigation pending in front of other judges. Judicial Watch is already seeking a deposition of Clinton in one of those other cases.

Parties to the other suits could also ask judges to compel Clinton to testify.

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In addition to Clinton, Judicial Watch is seeking to take depositions from two other individuals in connection with the suit: a recordkeeping official in the secretary of state's office, Clarence Finney, and a former manager of computer services for that office, John Bentel.

One of the few areas where Sullivan was definitive Monday was regarding Bentel. Justice Department attorney Caroline Wolverton opposed any effort to “pull [him] out of retirement,” but the judge said he believed Bentel “should be deposed.”

A State Inspector General report said two employees remembered Bentel rebuffing questions about Clinton’s use of a personal email account. They said he told them not to raise the issue again. According to one, Bentel said the arrangement was approved by State Department lawyers, something that does not appear to have happened.
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- I'm thinking Kendall should have taken the judge up on that offer of written deposition answers.

 
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lod001 said:
On CNN they said the Hillary clan is gearing up to find 3 million or so black people that they can register to vote. Fooled once by Obama, can they really be fooled twice and by a hag who obviously will drop them in the nearest garbage can once she has used up their vote.
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Isn't this political profiling?  She already knows how a group while act before they do...

 
Boston said:
Isn't this political profiling?  She already knows how a group while act before they do...
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You bet your patootie it is.

And the more power to Hillary. Blacks and Hispanics have a pretty good sense of how they will be treated under a Trump presidency (see polls).

If I ran Hillary's campaign I would be gearing up to register as many minority voters as I can as they probably aren't going to vote Trump.

 
squistion said:
You bet your patootie it is.

And the more power to Hillary. Blacks and Hispanics have a pretty good sense of how they will be treated under a Trump presidency (see polls).

If I ran Hillary's campaign I would be gearing up to register as many minority voters as I can as they probably aren't going to vote Trump.
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How do the super predators feel about how Hills will treat them?

 
squistion said:
In the moderation thread in the last 15 hours. Eminence posted some past statements by Tim and links to statements where Tim had accused Em of racism, among other things.

Apparently it was some comment Tim made in response to that which got him the time out. I was following the thread intermittently and don't recall seeing anything that was suspension worthy, but the offending post may have been deleted before I had a chance to view it.  Don't know how long he will be out.
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Things are pretty boring without him :can't believe I said that:

 
squistion said:
#GOPConvention speakers spent more than 30 minutes blaming Clinton for Benghazi. Fact: No investigation has.
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Of course not.  Who could think that the leader of an organization would be responsible for things that happen during their watch?

 
Sand said:
Of course not.  Who could think that the leader of an organization would be responsible for things that happen during their watch?
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Eight Republican investigations didn't think so, because none of them attributed blame to Hillary as SOS for Benghazi. Not one.

 
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Assumptions...

Colorado, Illinois, Wisconsin and Indiana go Dem (recent polls have Evan Bayh up big in IN now that he's running).

Arizona, NC and Missouri go Rep.

That leaves Dems up 48-47 with NH, NV, PA, OH and FL up for grabs (Rubio makes FL a lot more competitive -- maybe belongs in R column).

Decent chance it ends up 50-50 if all five elections are independent.  Since they'll correlate some maybe not.  But it'll be close either way.  Presidential election could determine control of White House, Senate and Supreme Court.

 
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