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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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timschochet said:
Normally Kaine is exactly the kind of Dem I like and I would love to see him in an important role. 

But winning this election is too important- it's too close. I think we need the progressives and that means Warren. Plus I love how she has taken down Trump. She's been superb. 
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I'll tell you, if she selects Kaine, I'm probably not going to vote for her.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is what Comey said about what Hillary did on insecure networks:

1) Clinton did send and receive emails that were classified at the time;

2) Hillary's email server was negligently insecure;

3) Hillary did not archive work emails as she was required to do;

4) Hillary and her attorneys did delete emails they were required to turn over;

5) Some of the people Hillary was in regular contact with were hacked/eavesdropped by nation states;

6) Hillary herself was almost certainly hacked/eavesdropped;

7) Hillary sent classified emails unencrypted from within hostile countries; and

8) Hillary sent TS/SCI emails from her account and "knew, or should have known" that unclassified email was "not appropriate" for that means of communication, ie it was all  unauthorized.

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- I don't think he ever mentioned how Hillary ever operated on secure networks.
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And do you suppose that in her 4 years as SoS, she dealt with significantly more than 110 classified emails?  Cause everything you wrote above is pretty much irrelevant to what I wrote.  

 
STAR POWER: 

Monday night: Liz Warren & Michelle Obama

Tuesday Night: Bill Clinton & Joe Biden

Wednesday Night: Barack Obama & VP

Thursday Night: Chelsea introduces her mom. 

Bernie's going to be in there somewhere as well. The Republicans simply can't match this. 

 
timschochet said:
STAR POWER: 

Monday night: Liz Warren & Michelle Obama

Tuesday Night: Bill Clinton & Joe Biden

Wednesday Night: Barack Obama & VP

Thursday Night: Chelsea introduces her mom. 

Bernie's going to be in there somewhere as well. The Republicans simply can't match this. 
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Telegraphs that Warren isn't the VP choice.

 
timschochet said:
STAR POWER: 

Monday night: Liz Warren & Michelle Obama

Tuesday Night: Bill Clinton & Joe Biden

Wednesday Night: Barack Obama & VP

Thursday Night: Chelsea introduces her mom. 

Bernie's going to be in there somewhere as well. The Republicans simply can't match this. 
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Does anyone really care?

 
dparker713 said:
And do you suppose that in her 4 years as SoS, she dealt with significantly more than 110 classified emails?  Cause everything you wrote above is pretty much irrelevant to what I wrote.  
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Eh, there were 2000+ classified emails, the 110+ are the IC above Confidential stuff.

I thought you asked about Hillary's activity on secure networks. I recapped Comey's findings on Hillary which dealt with her wrongful activity on her insecure, unauthorized network. I specifically spoke to the secure issue, however that itself is irrelevant. Hillary didn't get in trouble for following the rules.

 
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dparker713 said:
She was SoS for years.  You think she only handled classified information 110 times?  Yes, obviously she used the proper channels for classified information the vast majority of the time.
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Dear God, this is the defense now?  "I was sober the overwhelming majority of the time I got behind the wheel?"

Again, I'm of the opinion that agrees with Comey that Hillary should not have been prosecuted.  But I also agree with Comey that she was wildly careless/ incompetent.  No reason to downplay that part.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Eh, there were 2000+ classified emails, the 110+ are the IC above Confidential stuff.

I thought you asked about Hillary's activity on secure networks. I recapped Comey's findings on Hillary which dealt with her wrongful activity on her insecure, unauthorized network. I specifically spoke to the secure issue, however that itself is irrelevant. Hillary didn't get in trouble for following the rules.
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No, SBU is Senstitve But Unclassified.  It's right there in the name.  Unclassified.  Her activity on secure networks was not reviewed by the FBI, but it's insane to think that in 4 years on the job she only sent or received 110 classified transmissions.  My point all along was that she in all probability properly handled the vast majority of the classified information that she accessed.  

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Dear God, this is the defense now?  "I was sober the overwhelming majority of the time I got behind the wheel?"

Again, I'm of the opinion that agrees with Comey that Hillary should not have been prosecuted.  But I also agree with Comey that she was wildly careless/ incompetent.  No reason to downplay that part.
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Her offense was spillage.  It wouldn't have matter which email system she was using.  Such spillage is fairly common place.

 
dparker713 said:
No, SBU is Senstitve But Unclassified.  It's right there in the name.  Unclassified.  Her activity on secure networks was not reviewed by the FBI, but it's insane to think that in 4 years on the job she only sent or received 110 classified transmissions.  My point all along was that she in all probability properly handled the vast majority of the classified information that she accessed.  
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I wasn't including SBU, the 2000+ number is pure classified.

i don't think Hillary viewed SCIF's as convenient. They're not convenient, that's just one reason that motive by itself as true was arguably criminal.

 
dparker713 said:
110 is directly from Comey's statement
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About 2000 were classified as Confidential, he said they were not classified at the time sent. Which is fine, because the point has always been that the IC material was born classified. Regardless Hillary held the 2000 on her server and when it was reviewed it was deemed classified. IMO it always was but I'm willing to rest on Comey's statement.

 
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No matter how you feel about Hillary Clinton, she will honor our obligations to NATO. She will also honor President Reagan's notion of the United States as the "Shining City on the Hill". 

IMO, this is more important than all other issues. 

 
First question of the foreign policy debate: if Russia attacks the Baltic states who belong to NATO, will we honor our agreement and defend them? 

Clinton: Yes, absolutely. That is our pledge. 

Trump: Well, we'll have to see...

 
timschochet said:
First question of the foreign policy debate: if Russia attacks the Baltic states who belong to NATO, will we honor our agreement and defend them? 

Clinton: Yes, absolutely. I love a good war and body bags.

Trump: Well, we'll have to see...
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timschochet said:
No matter how you feel about Hillary Clinton, she will honor our obligations to NATO. She will also honor President Reagan's notion of the United States as the "Shining City on the Hill". 

IMO, this is more important than all other issues. 
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Yeah, that is pretty important. Him and Putin are really big supporters of each other

 
timschochet said:
No matter how you feel about Hillary Clinton, she will honor our obligations to NATO. She will also honor President Reagan's notion of the United States as the "Shining City on the Hill". 

IMO, this is more important than all other issues. 
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ummm....no.

It might crack the top 50.

 
timschochet said:
Well, I hope that most people don't see things the way you do. 
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I put it behind good paying jobs, income inequity, campaign finance reform, SCOTUS nomination, trade agreements, ending the drug war, environment, eliminating dependance on oil, housing shortage, health care / insurance cost.  That's ten in ten seconds.

 
Just for clarification: I didn't go into this election with NATO anywhere on my mind at all. If I thought about it at all, I just naturally assumed that both candidates would recognize our commitments as an essential element of our existence. 

It was Trump who made this an issue, and now that he has it has shot up for me as the #1 issue. I will state right now that if Hillary Clinton had questioned our commitment to NATO instead of Trump, I would switch my support to Trump in a heartbeat. I would ignore all other considerations in doing so. 

 
timschochet said:
Just for clarification: I didn't go into this election with NATO anywhere on my mind at all. If I thought about it at all, I just naturally assumed that both candidates would recognize our commitments as an essential element of our existence. 

It was Trump who made this an issue, and now that he has it has shot up for me as the #1 issue. I will state right now that if Hillary Clinton had questioned our commitment to NATO instead of Trump, I would switch my support to Trump in a heartbeat. I would ignore all other considerations in doing so. 
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Sounds like drama to me, but it's your opinion.

 
BassNBrew said:
I put it behind good paying jobs, income inequity, campaign finance reform, SCOTUS nomination, trade agreements, ending the drug war, environment, eliminating dependance on oil, housing shortage, health care / insurance cost.  That's ten in ten seconds.
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B######t.   POTUS has limited influence in most of those areas.   POTUS can directly impact our defense obligations without congressional interference.

 
MaxThreshold said:
I think you're reading into things that aren't there.  Seems a bit superficial to be claiming some kind of victory over tweet count.  But then again, I'm not so easily moved by superficial nonsense like you appear to be.
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How can you discount Twitter when Trump seems to be on it all day?  He literally announced his vp via tweet. 

 
Will be super interesting to see how post-convention polling shakes out. If race is unchanged vs pre-convention safe to say these things don't matter at all. Assuming Dem Conv is competent to good and Trump doesn't salvage his by taking the stage tonight with Cruz's still beating heart held above his head.

 
 "I was sober the overwhelming majority of the time I got behind the wheel?"

Thanks Ivan, that brought a smile & laugh.  Kudos.

 
timschochet said:
Just for clarification: I didn't go into this election with NATO anywhere on my mind at all. If I thought about it at all, I just naturally assumed that both candidates would recognize our commitments as an essential element of our existence. 

It was Trump who made this an issue, and now that he has it has shot up for me as the #1 issue. I will state right now that if Hillary Clinton had questioned our commitment to NATO instead of Trump, I would switch my support to Trump in a heartbeat. I would ignore all other considerations in doing so. 
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Bull####.  You would find some way to justify it, like you do with everything else about her.

 
timschochet said:
Just for clarification: I didn't go into this election with NATO anywhere on my mind at all. If I thought about it at all, I just naturally assumed that both candidates would recognize our commitments as an essential element of our existence. 

It was Trump who made this an issue, and now that he has it has shot up for me as the #1 issue. I will state right now that if Hillary Clinton had questioned our commitment to NATO instead of Trump, I would switch my support to Trump in a heartbeat. I would ignore all other considerations in doing so. 
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Honoring commitments means honesty...you do what you say you will do...are you saying honesty is a big issue in this election?

 
A good case for Hillary over Trump is that even if you don't trust Hillary, congress will keep her in check.  There's little to keep Trump in check if he gets in.

 
timschochet said:
No matter how you feel about Hillary Clinton, she will honor our obligations to NATO. She will also honor President Reagan's notion of the United States as the "Shining City on the Hill". 

IMO, this is more important than all other issues. 
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Wait...what happened to SC justices?  That lose it's luster already?

 
Boston said:
Honoring commitments means honesty...you do what you say you will do...are you saying honesty is a big issue in this election?
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It's always an  issue. If all things are equal I will always vote for the more honest candidate. All things however are rarely equal. 

But that being said I do believe there's no question that between the two candidates Hillary is by far the more honest. Politifact will back me up on this. 

 
timschochet said:
It's certainly a very big issue. But this (NATO) is for me now the #1 issue. 
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It should be for almost anyone now.  Yesterday was confirmation of the worst things people say about Trump from a foreign policy standpoint.

Jeffrey Goldberg is nobody's idea of a hack, or a partisan, or an ideologue. My gentle suggestion- people should read what he published today before engaging in the same old back and forth nonsense about this election.

 
timschochet said:
It's always an  issue. If all things are equal I will always vote for the more honest candidate. All things however are rarely equal. 

But that being said I do believe there's no question that between the two candidates Hillary is by far the more honest. Politifact will back me up on this. 
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I think from now on, when somebody mentions "Hillary, oh such a liar", I will just say Matthew 7:5

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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timschochet said:
STAR POWER: 

Monday night: Liz Warren & Michelle Obama

Tuesday Night: Bill Clinton & Joe Biden

Wednesday Night: Barack Obama & VP

Thursday Night: Chelsea introduces her mom. 

Bernie's going to be in there somewhere as well. The Republicans simply can't match this. 
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Would be much better with Liz, Biden, or Bernie on the Thursday night slot

 
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